Alain Perrin Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Pleased it wasn't just me, that pretty much mirrors my thoughts on how he played. I think he has the ability to really take the **** in this league but I think his attitude is a little lacking; can't say that I blame him mind, you stick me in the French third division and I would struggle to drum up some passion too. If him and Lallana play to the best of their ability this year we will be half way there. I think Schneiderlin suffers from the centre midfield curse that afflicted Matt Oakley. Too often fans overlook the important contribution that players like him make, linking up play, playing the composed (simple) ball. He is not meant to be a box to box midfielder, he's the composed one in the centre. Running around does not a footballer make, just look at Lallana - lots of effort, little product. I'd have Morgan in my team ahead of Lallana every day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Totally agree with AP there, I thought he was a class above the rest. On the negative side if he keeps it up he'll be gone by January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Agree totally with AP, he was the best player on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Causer Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Fantastic player that needs a partner other than the donkey Wotton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Thought MS was excellent yesterday. His passing was good (except for the one that led to the penalty). What I really liked was that he kept on his feet - didn't dive into tackles and nicked the ball off them numerous times. I had a good view of that pass from behind it in the Northam. It really was a schoolboy error passing right across the front of the penalty area like that. It wasn't as if there weren't options ahead of him up the line, or diagonally forward. OK, everybody makes mistakes, but IMO a player can't be adjudged to be a candidate for man of the match when such a fundamentally crass error led on to Millwall's scoring the equaliser. He has potential to be a good player and good players learn from their mistakes, so I hope I don't see any repeats of that sort of pass from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfc Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 I didn't think Schneiderlin had a great game. I think the midfield pairing of him and Wotton is very weak and needs to be changed. Yesterday we had very little linkup between the defence and the forwards and Millwall bossed the midfield for most of the game. Wotton doesn't have enough ability, it's sad because he gives 100% and would be a great leader in the midfield but I just don't think he is up to standard. Schneiderlin doesn't do a good enough job off the ball and defensively in the midfield to justify his moments of quality when Wotton is the other midfielder. I think Gillet will force his way into the team quite soon infront of one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Schniederlin was quality for 3/4's of the game until he ran out of steam and was very unlucky that at least one of the two long range efforts did not go in. Wotton on the other-hand was complete and utter pants! As soon as he got the ball, didn't know what to do with it and was always looking for someone to bail him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommi Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Schneiderlin plays deep and specialises in accurate long passes ! Wotton plays deep and specialises in not a lot ! It is not a good, natural central midfield pairing, particularly as James and Lallana do not provide pace or width ! IMO the midfield was the weakness yesterday and did little to protect the defence or support the attack ! Mills and/or Holmes will definitely give us better shape and I still reckon that Gillet is a better bet than Wotton alongside Schneiderlin but then again I am not the manager ! I'm sure that AP has been able to assess his players better after their first competitive game and let's hope that he can fill the gaps pretty quickly ! Spot on.... FWIW I thought Murty was just about our best player yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Wotton puts himself about, but his 'distribution' involes those crappy little chips forward (that he did vs Hearts too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Spot on.... FWIW I thought Murty was just about our best player yesterday. I voted him MOM too, closely followed by Harding. Both were a tower of strength, but Murty shows such good leadership qualities. If we can keep the CBs fit, we have a pretty decent defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 he has ability on the ball undoubtedly - and looked good for most the game - particularly with the two long range shots and some great passing his tackling and heading of the ball was also a step up from last season his wayward pass did lead to the penaltly, three corners and the goal though! he went into his shell abit after thah however if we play him right - not too much and not too little - and give him support on the pitch he will become a great player for us Gillett would probably partner him in midfield as first choice pairing if Gillett was a bit taller and therefore better in the air Wotton disappointed me yet again yesterday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Pardew rates him which has to help, with comments like "the best player on the pitch" and "he's going no-where". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 more tackles yesterday than the entire season last year. A quality player that given time is going to get better and better. Patience with some of these young lads including Lallana, Patterson and even Lancashire is essential. I though he dissapeared yesterday in the second half though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 August, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1748790,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1748790,00.html This morning's game: How many different spellings of Morgan's surname are in that piece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I think Schneiderlin suffers from the centre midfield curse that afflicted Matt Oakley. Too often fans overlook the important contribution that players like him make, linking up play, playing the composed (simple) ball. He is not meant to be a box to box midfielder, he's the composed one in the centre. Running around does not a footballer make, just look at Lallana - lots of effort, little product. I'd have Morgan in my team ahead of Lallana every day of the week. Thanks for that, I had little or no idea of what properties a central midfield player was supposed to have. I'm not sticking in about Schneiderlin, overwhelmingly people seem to think he had a decent game so I've obviously missed something, but using the 'Matt Oakley' analogy makes it difficult to ever seriously discuss a central midfielder's contribution to a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Undoubtedly one of the most skillful players in the division.Its really a matter of whether he can impose himself on games and have an impact at this level.I hope he matures quickly and does not dissolve into what many suspect of a stereotypical 'fancy dan, Johnny Foreigner type' who bruises easily and disappears from matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Thanks for that, I had little or no idea of what properties a central midfield player was supposed to have. I'm not sticking in about Schneiderlin, overwhelmingly people seem to think he had a decent game so I've obviously missed something, but using the 'Matt Oakley' analogy makes it difficult to ever seriously discuss a central midfielder's contribution to a game. Prior to his injuries Oakley was one of the most effective midfielders in the prem under both Hoddle and WGS. I would have Oakley back now like a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Thanks for that, I had little or no idea of what properties a central midfield player was supposed to have. I'm not sticking in about Schneiderlin, overwhelmingly people seem to think he had a decent game so I've obviously missed something, but using the 'Matt Oakley' analogy makes it difficult to ever seriously discuss a central midfielder's contribution to a game. Ash, it wasn't meant to patronise. Just that fans tend to notice the flamboyant, rather than the ordinary (but necessary). You've only got to look at Jesus to see how a haircut, a few tatts and a bit of fist pumping towards the Northam can cover up a lack of ability. I think Matt Oakley is a classic example. Not appreciated by the (majority of) fans, but his absence from the team coincided with a loss of Saints' form. A fit Matt Oakley would be an asset to Saints at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralph_wiggum Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I thought Gobern was good when he came on, was marked by 3 players at all times, and won the ball in the air everytime. Definitely would offer more on the right than Lloyd James, I don't know why he has such a good reputation, I haven't actually seen him play well for the first team, whatever position he plays in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15saints Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Every team needs a play-maker! Morgan has showed that he is capable of being just that for us. It is such a shame that the focus appears to be on the one missplaced pass he made in the game. Other than the two long range shots he made at least two 35-40 yard passes from right to left that looked as if they were on a piece of string to our player on the left. He also made more challenges and intercepted the ball on numerous occasions. To answer an earlier poster who said he didn't see much of him in pre-season, that was because he was representing France in the Mediterranean games. He was in fact the captain of that under 20s team. If we are to be successful we need to nurture and protect him and he will either be a great player for us or a big sale because better teams than us would be more than interested in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 doesn't matter what league it is, its about quality of players. If good players didn't work in league 1, Man City would buy a load of league 1 lumps and win the premiership! Well said. You could also add to that, 'League 1/2 clubs would win the FA Cup every year'. I never have got this 'you need big strong meatheads in lower divisions, not skillful players' arguement. As Lawrie once said, you need violinists and road sweepers. Its getting the correct formula that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Fantastic player that needs a partner other than the donkey Wotton. That is a key observation. Our next signing must be a tough, skilled tackler that understands and works well with Morgan's creative vision. The Oakley comparison is spot-on. Matt's injury was a significant negative contribution to our Premiership decline. Schneiderlin could bring to Saints some of the skills that Oakley had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 That is a key observation. Our next signing must be a tough, skilled tackler that understands and works well with Morgan's creative vision. The Oakley comparison is spot-on. Matt's injury was a significant negative contribution to our Premiership decline. Schneiderlin could bring to Saints some of the skills that Oakley had. Reno Gattuso - Career winding down in Italy, confesses to love British football (Rangers etc) - scottish wife. Looking to move into management/coaching. Too far fetched? - you decide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Pele is available on a free. Would be an excellent partner for Morgan or Gillett IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 i thought it was wotton that tried chiping the keeper and then shortly afterwards chiped a perfect diagonal ball forwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Prior to his injuries Oakley was one of the most effective midfielders in the prem under both Hoddle and WGS. I would have Oakley back now like a shot. I wasn't suggesting Oakley wasn't any good, I meant if you use the analogy of Matt Oakley to say people don't appreciate central midfielders it makes it almost impossible for proper debate about what a player in that position brings to the game (I didn't just mean it, I wrote it) because any time someone turns around and says Schneiderlin/Wotton/Gillet has had a bad game anybody can counter it by saying nobody appreciates the work central midfielders do. Ash, it wasn't meant to patronise. Just that fans tend to notice the flamboyant, rather than the ordinary (but necessary). You've only got to look at Jesus to see how a haircut, a few tatts and a bit of fist pumping towards the Northam can cover up a lack of ability. I think Matt Oakley is a classic example. Not appreciated by the (majority of) fans, but his absence from the team coincided with a loss of Saints' form. A fit Matt Oakley would be an asset to Saints at the moment. I know exactly what you mean, I just thought he wasn't doing the simple things very well on Saturday. But in the face of massive opposition, and most importantly Alan Pardew, I may just have to admit that I was wrong about him on Saturday. I hope he can have a cracking season I really do, if he gets his head down he will be a real asset. I remember Barnsley away last season once we were 1-0 up and bossing the game he looked an exceptional player, maybe if we're winning a bit more this season and he has settled he will have a more consistent campaign. Pele is available on a free. Would be an excellent partner for Morgan or Gillett IMO. Absolutely, I would love to see him back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Pele is available on a free. Would be an excellent partner for Morgan or Gillett IMO. listen to this man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 i thought it was wotton that tried chiping the keeper and then shortly afterwards chiped a perfect diagonal ball forwards? it was Morgan, or if this was some kind of sarcasm it has gone over my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 it was Morgan, or if this was some kind of sarcasm it has gone over my head. Unlike the chip which you tipped expertly over the bar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamLeGod Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I must admit I'm a big fan of Morgan, I feel he is the sort of player we have missed in the middle for quite some time, our midfield has been pretty shocking for quite some time, even going back to the Prem days. It was a shame Jamie Redknapp had to retire when we came down, but maybe Morgan can go on to take up a similar role, IMO we are desperate for some decent wingers! Looking at the line up for the Millwall game its hard to see who can regularly play down either flank with any impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_barmy_saints_army Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Totally agree with AP there, I thought he was a class above the rest. On the negative side if he keeps it up he'll be gone by January. maybe even before because hes French u21 captain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I have a funny feeling we may see the best of Morgan this year! Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alright Dave Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Fantastic player that needs a partner other than the donkey Wotton. Spot on! He showed he can be great for us on sat and in my opinion Wotten proved the exact opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I have a funny feeling we may see the best of Morgan this year! Can't wait! If we get a box to box powerful midfielder next to him - then i completely agree. He can't boss games on his own yet, he needs someone next to him who can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 If we get a box to box powerful midfielder next to him - then i completely agree. He can't boss games on his own yet, he needs someone next to him who can do that. look forward to signing him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alright Dave Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 If we get a box to box powerful midfielder next to him - then i completely agree. He can't boss games on his own yet, he needs someone next to him who can do that. True he deffo needs a Jimmy Case/Chris Marsden ball winner along side him who can get stuck in and give him simple passes to his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Reno Gattuso - Career winding down in Italy, confesses to love British football (Rangers etc) - scottish wife. Looking to move into management/coaching. Too far fetched? - you decide! video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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