southamptonfc Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 I would put Gillet in the middle instead of Schneiderlin and then have Lallana play a bit deeper, feeding the strikers. He was wasted stuck up on the left when we went forwards, Schneiderlin and James didn't get a single ball to the byline that I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Yesterday I thought that he was pretty average. He showed a couple of touches but generally he backed out of any serious tackles if he thought he could get hurt.He needs to muscle up and learn that a well timed tackle will do more good than harm. Size isn't everything but boy can it help. He isn't helped either by the lack of a minder or two in the team. I would like to see him play behind a front two but with the squad that we have that probably wouldn't work. To accomodate him there we would need two big strong centre midfield players to pick up the pieces. I don't think Pulis will work out though AP might have seen something. Gobern could help with more experience as could a few of the kids. Experience like last seasons will not help as confidence gets shot to pieces. Myself I would play him in the reserves and try to find him a position that he can stake a serious claim to in the future. Adam has shown glimpses of what he can do but he can only produce when everything is right for him. In fact I am beginning to doubt whether he can be played if Morgan is in the side. On yesterdays performance I would prefer Morgan. It would be very nice if Adam could prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 (edited) Lallana didn't have his best game but I still don't understand why so many on here are so keen to jump on his back. Its a long season and if we keep him I'd put money on him having a good season here and by the end of it a few of you will have changed your minds about him. Check his first touch out, you don't need a FA coaching badge to see that its ****ing golden and that by the way is something you just can't coach into a player. The rest will come in time... Edited 9 August, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 chez...he is not good for our team at this time.. if we are going to play 442 in this league it is pretty obvious the way to play is big lump up front with a patterson running next to him...huge CB and players who stay wide with them along with the full backs peppering crosses in.. that is how it workd in the lower leagues....sadly, lallana does not fit that at this moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Lallana didn't have his best game but I still don't understand why so many on here are so keen to jump on his back. Its a long season and if we keep him I'd put money on him having a good season here and by the end of it a few of you will have changed your minds about him. Check his first touch out, you don't need a FA coaching badge to see that its ****ing golden and that by the way is something you just can't coach into a player. The rest will come in time... Tell that to Kenwyne Jones or James Beattie. FWIW it's obvious too all that Lallana has the skills. Like Schneiderlin however its a case of getting him to deliver in a competitive environment. Something he hasn't done for quite a while if I'm honnest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 We need to replace Lallana. He cant be bothered or doesnt have the right mental state for this level. Good build-up play was being lost in the last third, partly because Lallana doesnt fight for the ball, falls over a lot, and runs round like a headless chicken. Let him learn his trade in the ressies and come back and stake a real claim for a first team place, or flog him off for anyone willing to offer a reasonable amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I thought Lallana was okay on Sat. He's obviously not a left winger, but he showed some nice touches and I think he will do well for us this year. Admittedly he needs to find a position, but until the window closes and we have an idea of our squad for the new season, the shape of the team is still unknown. He even won a header on Sat! AP likes both him and Schneiderlin and I exect them to be the 'flair' of the side, supported by some experienced, powerful players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Tell that to Kenwyne Jones or James Beattie. FWIW it's obvious too all that Lallana has the skills. Like Schneiderlin however its a case of getting him to deliver in a competitive environment. Something he hasn't done for quite a while if I'm honnest. not sure I follow you. Are you trying to tell me that coaching has given KJ or BT a `golden first touch'. They improved their hold up play for sure, but there wasn't a great improvement in touch really, more a better awareness of when to control it and when to lay it off first time. Very few have what Lallana has, he still needs to improve of course, and I'm not saying he should be first name on the sheet, but it ****es me off to see Saints fans jumping on the young lads back so early into his career whn quite clearly he has natural talent that given time will blossom. All I'm asking for is patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 (edited) We need to replace Lallana. He cant be bothered or doesnt have the right mental state for this level. You watch one game on the TV and now you are making rediculous statements about the amount of effort he puts in. I don't care if you rate him or not, to say he can't be bothered is complete and utter drivel. Edited 10 August, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 chez...he is not good for our team at this time.. if we are going to play 442 in this league it is pretty obvious the way to play is big lump up front with a patterson running next to him...huge CB and players who stay wide with them along with the full backs peppering crosses in.. that is how it workd in the lower leagues....sadly, lallana does not fit that at this moment quality players playing quality football is what will get us out of this division. Watch George Boyd play for the Posh (promoted two seasons in a row without the merest hint of a lump up front I might add) and tell me that wide players need to hug the touchline all day long. At present the lack of pace on the other wing and up front is just as big a problem. As I have said countless times before, Lallana is not the finished article, and IMO he is a central player, but he needs time to develop and if we give it to him we will gain as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 not sure I follow you. Are you trying to tell me that coaching has given KJ or BT a `golden first touch'. They improved their hold up play for sure, but there wasn't a great improvement in touch really, more a better awareness of when to control it and when to lay it off first time. Very few have what Lallana has, he still needs to improve of course, and I'm not saying he should be first name on the sheet, but it ****es me off to see Saints fans jumping on the young lads back so early into his career whn quite clearly he has natural talent that given time will blossom. All I'm asking for is patience. I'm patient. I think he has got tallent and I wont be jumping on his back any time soon. However having tallent and making a telling contribution are two completely seperate entities IMO. I remember watching Jones in our first season in the CCC and he couldn't trap a bag of cement. When we played Derby at home that season it was perhaps the worst individual performance I've ever seen from a Saints player, who wasn't called Darren Powell. Whilst the ball is hardly glued to his feet these days, he has developed his ball control enough to make a decent career in the Premiership. There is no reason why you can't coach a decent first touch. It's just balance, co-ordination and timing after all. It will come with practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Something he hasn't done for quite a while if I'm honnest. I missed that bit at the end. He certainly struggled for a long time after his injury. How bad that was I don't know and how much fitness he lost I also don't know. What I do know was that he did find his form again towards the end of the season and put in some very decent displays, so it hasn't been a case or playing poorly ever since xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I'm patient. I think he has got tallent and I wont be jumping on his back any time soon. However having tallent and making a telling contribution are two completely seperate entities IMO. I remember watching Jones in our first season in the CCC and he couldn't trap a bag of cement. When we played Derby at home that season it was perhaps the worst individual performance I've ever seen from a Saints player, who wasn't called Darren Powell. Whilst the ball is hardly glued to his feet these days, he has developed his ball control enough to make a decent career in the Premiership. There is no reason why you can't coach a decent first touch. It's just balance, co-ordination and timing after all. It will come with practice. you didn't see KJ at Brum when arry played him in midfield. Gee that was embarressing. He made Powell look gifted on that night. Sorry, but I disagree about the touch thing. You can improve any skills a little, but no amount of training is ever going make Paul Wotton have a golden touch and thats what I am taking about - top level first touch, the sort that is needed to survive in the premiership unless you are playing centre back or in the big lump up front role. Lallana has that, as did Surman and Bale. First touch is such a huge part of the game its almost ignored and certainly taken for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 how old is lallana now..? surely he would be showing signs of a finished article..or at least be a better team player... of course he has a lot of skill, that is there for all to see...but where does he play..? cant play him left, cant play him right, certainly cant play him upfront...cant play him in the centre what so ever.. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Sorry, but I disagree about the touch thing. You can improve any skills a little, but no amount of training is ever going make Paul Wotton have a golden touch and thats what I am taking about - top level first touch, the sort that is needed to survive in the premiership unless you are playing centre back or in the big lump up front role. Lallana has that, as did Surman and Bale. First touch is such a huge part of the game its almost ignored and certainly taken for granted. Totally agree with you there mate, first touch is unfortunately one of those skills you establish either at a very young age or it comes naturally, you can coach all you want into a player however technically players over the age of around 16-18 will never fully improve on the technical side of the game. This is something i studied when i was coaching in my younger days and something that the dutch coaching philosophy teaches. Up until around 12-13 the players barely do any shooting passing etc but concentrate fully on technical abilities (touch etc) and it is what makes many of them such fantastic wingers. Spiderman and Lallana have that sort of touch which gives you an extra 2-3 seconds over other players which can be vital, Lallana will be a good player i believe but his problem as many have pointed out is he has no natural position (especially if playing in a 442 formation) he needs some serious coaching on the tactical side of the game if he will really fulfill his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 how old is lallana now..? surely he would be showing signs of a finished article..or at least be a better team player... how old was BT before he started scoring goals? How old was Marsden before he shined at our place? He's only got 40 starts under his belt and as was pointed out to me in the summer his heart problems set him back some way as well. He might not be Southampton born but he's through the ranks and I always thought fans backed these types rather than mercenary players that come for the money. Stern the laziest ****er ever to put a Saints shirt on had his arse kissed on here yet Lallana, who gives everything in games, is chucked on the waste pile 40 games in. If he was **** I could understand it, but he's not. of course he has a lot of skill, that is there for all to see...but where does he play..? cant play him left, cant play him right, certainly cant play him upfront...cant play him in the centre what so ever.. IMO a very good question. Last season he should have played where McGoldrick played. In the middle running the game. In a 4-4-2 I'm not sure, but he certainly is more effective than James and I'd probably pick him ahead of Holmes who I have my doubts about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 you didn't see KJ at Brum when arry played him in midfield. Gee that was embarressing. He made Powell look gifted on that night. Sorry, but I disagree about the touch thing. You can improve any skills a little, but no amount of training is ever going make Paul Wotton have a golden touch and thats what I am taking about - top level first touch, the sort that is needed to survive in the premiership unless you are playing centre back or in the big lump up front role. Lallana has that, as did Surman and Bale. First touch is such a huge part of the game its almost ignored and certainly taken for granted. I'm not saying you can turn everyone into Ronaldo with a bit of coaching. We all know Wotton is a lost cause when it comes to skill on the ball. I just don't see Lallana as unique. I guess we just value different things. If I had to list our best creative players in recent years, I'd say Bale, Belmadi, Skacel and Surman. Why, because they could all make a telling pass or cross into the strikers and they set up a lot of goals. It has been no coincidence IMO that as those players have left, been moved out of possition or lost form, our performances have declined. I'd take any of those players (as they were 3 years ago) in midfield ahead of Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 chez...he is not good for our team at this time.. if we are going to play 442 in this league it is pretty obvious the way to play is big lump up front with a patterson running next to him...huge CB and players who stay wide with them along with the full backs peppering crosses in.. that is how it workd in the lower leagues....sadly, lallana does not fit that at this moment Just not true. As Chez has already pointed out, Posh were the second best side in the league last season and neither Mackail-Smith or McClean are "big lumps" and Boyd was given the freedom to wander from his nominal wide position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Just not true. As Chez has already pointed out, Posh were the second best side in the league last season and neither Mackail-Smith or McClean are "big lumps" and Boyd was given the freedom to wander from his nominal wide position. mclean is quite big... either way, we are not the posh, and lallana is not mclean etc... I just dont think right now, he fits a position, which is a shame as he clearly has a great touch and a lot of skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 mclean is quite big... either way, we are not the posh, and lallana is not mclean etc... I just dont think right now, he fits a position, which is a shame as he clearly has a great touch and a lot of skill That i can agree with. And which has always been my philosophy you play players in there correct positions to suit tactics, not change tactics to suit players. However, we should not give up on young adam, with a bit of nurturing he will be a good player, perhaps play him off ricky lambert ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 mclean is quite big... either way, we are not the posh, and lallana is not mclean etc... I just dont think right now, he fits a position, which is a shame as he clearly has a great touch and a lot of skill McClean is a massive five foot eight inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I'm not saying you can turn everyone into Ronaldo with a bit of coaching. We all know Wotton is a lost cause when it comes to skill on the ball. I just don't see Lallana as unique. I guess we just value different things. If I had to list our best creative players in recent years, I'd say Bale, Belmadi, Skacel and Surman. Why, because they could all make a telling pass or cross into the strikers and they set up a lot of goals. It has been no coincidence IMO that as those players have left, been moved out of possition or lost form, our performances have declined. I'd take any of those players (as they were 3 years ago) in midfield ahead of Lallana. Three of those four have been my favourite players over the last few seasons and you'll haev no arguements from me that Bale delivered far more than Lallana. However I'm sorry if I'm mistaken but we're in league 1 now and those players have move to pastures greener and they wouldn't play for us in League 1. Lallana is here right now so you are going to have to compare him with the mighty Holmes, James, Thomson and Gobern. You are right he needs guidance as to what is expected from him as a wide player, but with another 20 or 30 games under his belt we're start to see a more rounded player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 mclean is quite big... either way, we are not the posh, and lallana is not mclean etc... I just dont think right now, he fits a position, which is a shame as he clearly has a great touch and a lot of skill McLean is 5'8" according to soccerbase. They passed their way out of the league and did so because they had some very technically gifted players at this level like George Boyd. If Lallana can start to emulate the stuff he has shown over the last two season then we'll do fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I just dont think right now, he fits a position, which is a shame as he clearly has a great touch and a lot of skill you are right, but we've got to work with him and shape the side to allow him to prosper. IMO quality like that needs to be in the team. if he doesn't deliver then use your subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 you are right, but we've got to work with him and shape the side to allow him to prosper. IMO quality like that needs to be in the team. if he doesn't deliver then use your subs NO NO NO he has to fit the system the manager wants to play..he is not good enough to have a side built around him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningtonCrescent Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 NO NO NO he has to fit the system the manager wants to play..he is not good enough to have a side built around him... YES YES YES he is! :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Our first team is going to be drastically overhauled. Powerful players are going to be brought in. There is going to be no position available to any player that isn't delivering results. Once the money has been spent there is going to be a demand for results. That in itself means unless Lallana delivers an end result, the best he can hope for, is improving in the reserves and cameo appearances from the bench in games we are on top. I can see him out on loan at some point if he can't come to terms with the reality. We haven't spent more than £1m on Lambert to use the first team to bring on talented youngsters. We are obviously going to give it a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 YES YES YES he is! :-P You may be right but it won't be at Southampton because we have moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 AP must rate him because he was one of the players he highlighted last week: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1204832/Young-diamonds-lower-leagues-Southampton-boss-Alan-Pardews-guide-rising-stars-QPR-Crystal-Palace.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 AP must rate him because he was one of the players he highlighted last week: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1204832/Young-diamonds-lower-leagues-Southampton-boss-Alan-Pardews-guide-rising-stars-QPR-Crystal-Palace.html We all rate his ball skills but it is one thing praising him but if he doesn't deliver week on week I bet Pardew will not hesitate to put him in the reserves to consolidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 AP must rate him because he was one of the players he highlighted last week: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1204832/Young-diamonds-lower-leagues-Southampton-boss-Alan-Pardews-guide-rising-stars-QPR-Crystal-Palace.html he's got talent (anyone that doesn't see that knows nothing about the game) that will enable him to play at a higher level, but as Delldays and the rest say he will at some point have to start delivering chances and goals. I think that with another good run in this side and some careful guidance from AP adn we might get a bit of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 YES YES YES he is! :-P how is he...he does not tackle, he does not score, does not have that many shots, does not make that many telling passes.. what does he do apart from look good a few times a game..? im sure there will be the odd game where he stands out..but pardew stated that he wasnts players who can give him 8/10 every match... sorry, BUT AT THIS MOMENT adam is not that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Lallana will need to be coached how to play the wide role this season because we are not playing the 4-2-3-1 that he grew up with in the academy. He won't play in the role just in behind the striker so he will need to learn how to play on the wing. Pardew had it right playing him on the left because a technically gifted right footed player on the left has a major licence to roam in field or surprise the full back by going down the outside. I think we may have to see a few more ineffective performances from Lallana before we see the best of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Lallana will need to be coached how to play the wide role this season because we are not playing the 4-2-3-1 that he grew up with in the academy. He won't play in the role just in behind the striker so he will need to learn how to play on the wing. Pardew had it right playing him on the left because a technically gifted right footed player on the left has a major licence to roam in field or surprise the full back by going down the outside. I think we may have to see a few more ineffective performances from Lallana before we see the best of him. He wasn't playing wide left on Saturday, which was one of our problems. He tracked back well and ran around a lot but didn't seem to know what his role was supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 He tracked back well and ran around a lot but didn't seem to know what his role was supposed to be. maybe tracking back and running around a lot was his role. AP will work things out, in the mean time lets build the lads confidence up and get him using his tricks in the final third, get him driving into the box and get him shooting at the right times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 maybe tracking back and running around a lot was his role. AP will work things out, in the mean time lets build the lads confidence up and get him using his tricks in the final third, get him driving into the box and get him shooting at the right times. I agree, he needs more time. The midfield 4 just didn't seem to be working as a unit but I don't suppose we'll see those same 4 for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 i feel slightly sorry for him. he was slotted into a position for a lot of last year which gave him a lot of freedom but has not helped him develop as a player. he looked at times on saturday as though he was completely loss and did not know what to do, he always arrived to tackle or pass just to late, he obviously as ability but AP's big problem will be where to play him, if he does pick him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alright Dave Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I think he has alot of talent, but just can't see where he will fit into the side. He is not a winger and i would rather play two out and out strikers this year than have one with him in the whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I would back adam to come good with some proper coaching!! think he will be a star! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 The problem with Adam is that he doesn't really have a 'position'. Playing him on the flanks forces our game narrow straight away - he's not the sort of player who's going to get to the byline and cross it, he'll want to come in and run at defenders. (thus often not having the strength to get through and falling over, or running into a crowd) He needs to be given a position and then learn the trade - I'd say an attacking forward, just behind the strikers - floating in between the midfield and the front players. He has got a ability to pickup pockets of space...and a pass. He has immense ability - he just needs to find his solid position on the pitch and once he does he will excel. Post of the day - nail hit firmly on the head and I agree completely. I think also that AP does have time for him, but he needs to up his game or risk being overshadowed by other incoming players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 maybe tracking back and running around a lot was his role. . clutch those straws... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 clutch those straws... Woosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Woosh tell me what he does to seriously warrent having a team built around him.. dont give me potential, tell me what he delivers now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 tell me what he does to seriously warrent having a team built around him.. dont give me potential, tell me what he delivers now.. He runs around in similar style to Fabrice Fernandes but has a much worse shot.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 14 March, 2012 Share Posted 14 March, 2012 We need to replace Lallana. He cant be bothered or doesnt have the right mental state for this level. Good build-up play was being lost in the last third, partly because Lallana doesnt fight for the ball, falls over a lot, and runs round like a headless chicken. Let him learn his trade in the ressies and come back and stake a real claim for a first team place, or flog him off for anyone willing to offer a reasonable amount. This post doesn't make you a moron. No. Anyone of us could have made this mistake and been made to look foolish 2 and a half years on. What makes you a moron is that you consistently spout utter drivel like this and that you consistently make snap judgements based on temporary changes in circumstance i.e. one bad result, one bad performance, one good result for our rivals etc. Of one thing I am certain; you have absolutely no clue about football whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 March, 2012 Share Posted 14 March, 2012 Point of bouncing this thread, just to have a snap at Alpine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 14 March, 2012 Share Posted 14 March, 2012 This post doesn't make you a moron. No. Anyone of us could have made this mistake and been made to look foolish 2 and a half years on. What makes you a moron is that you consistently spout utter drivel like this and that you consistently make snap judgements based on temporary changes in circumstance i.e. one bad result, one bad performance, one good result for our rivals etc. Of one thing I am certain; you have absolutely no clue about football whatsoever. Ziiing! Alpine says something annoying and then boom! two and half years later Tom28 comes out with a classic come-back! Well played fella! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 14 March, 2012 Share Posted 14 March, 2012 Ha ha the footballing genius "Derry" doesn't come out of it too well either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 14 March, 2012 Share Posted 14 March, 2012 Well, he did get his act together and is now a much better player and IMO a very good player in the left midfield position that seems to be his most productive, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 14 March, 2012 Share Posted 14 March, 2012 2 old threads in one day - Super stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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