Ronny Biggs

[saint_bert]

Is a free man as of today. Thoughts?

 

For me it shouldn't be allowed. Made a mockery of the British justice system on various occasions, comes back to good old blighty for his health treatment. And lets not forget the driver died as a result of his injurys. Old man or not he should serve his time IMO

[Seaford Saint]

should have been released years ago. 30 years for theft and around 10 years for murder says it all about the values of our judicial system. Like every murderer who is released feels remorse. Yeah right

 

He has been a harmless old man for a few years now. He's been released to save the embarrassment of him dying in custody

 

Ronnie Biggs had nothing to do with the driver's injuries

[hypochondriac]

I agree. It's ridiculous to keep an old harmless man in prison at the taxpayer's expense.

[Clapham Saint]

He should serve his time IMO.

 

Maybe others no more about his life than I do but from what I have seen, he committed a crime and escaped from prison.

 

Had he been caught straight away he would have remained ion prison for the remainder of his term.

 

As it was he got to Brazil and played on his fame, selling t-shirts and promoting his fame whilst taunting the police who knew where he was but were unable to arrest him in a foreign country.

 

When he became sick he decided to come back to England so that he could receive free medical care.

 

He deserves to be in prison and should not be released imo.

[Clapham Saint]

I agree. It's ridiculous to keep an old harmless man in prison at the taxpayer's expense.

 

Although I can see the merits of this, for my money "justice" should be upheld and he should see out his term.

[Dimond Geezer]

should have been released years ago.

 

He would have been if he’d stuck around. He was sentenced in ’64 to 30 years therefore he would have been released in ’94 (probably earlier with parole, good behaviour etc). As it was he has served 15 months initially an a further 8 years since his return, roughly 10 year in the big house.

He had his liberty during his sentence, most crims get their liberty at the end of their sentence

[Hatch]

technically not in prison, but in hospital, and unlikely to ever leave the hospital alive.

So all in all, not actually free to roam the streets.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

I do not think his 'release' should have been granted, it should have been enough for him that he escaped, to stick his fingers up at the establishment by becoming a celebrity was wholly wrong, with only a small percantage of the money stolen recovered it was only right that a warrant for his arrest remained.

There are many old men in prison today and it is too easy to say they are no longer a threat to society, the fact is whether in their prime of life or at a time thereafter they committed a crime that warranted the sentance, murderers, paedophiles, war criminals all age, doesn't make it ok to release them for that reason alone.

Biggs is not in any of those categories and as I heard on the radio the other day "Great train robber ? he robbed one train and got caught !!"

[Rattlehead]

His son was a complete kn*b on TV this morning, constantly banging on about "the great minister of justice up above" (what a load of b*llocks) and how it is the first time since 1963 that his father has been a free man - yeah apart from living it up in Brazil and Oz for many years. Peckerhead. : r o l l :

[Gingeletiss]

Is a free man as of today. Thoughts?

 

For me it shouldn't be allowed. Made a mockery of the British justice system on various occasions, comes back to good old blighty for his health treatment. And lets not forget the driver died as a result of his injurys. Old man or not he should serve his time IMO

 

For a start, the driver didn't 'die' as a result of his injury's........he died two years later, and it's been said (but never proven), that this was connected to his injury's.

 

My point would be that nardays, murderers can get ten years and be out in six/seven. The reason he has been dealt with like this....is that he escaped from Wandsworth, and done a thumbs up at the establishment. He has never regretted what he done, and even wrote that in his book.

 

This has been revenge........pure and simple.

[saint_bert]

For a start, the driver didn't 'die' as a result of his injury's........he died two years later, and it's been said (but never proven), that this was connected to his injury's.

 

My point would be that nardays, murderers can get ten years and be out in six/seven. The reason he has been dealt with like this....is that he escaped from Wandsworth, and done a thumbs up at the establishment. He has never regretted what he done, and even wrote that in his book.

 

This has been revenge........pure and simple.

 

Times have changed regards sentencing rightly or wrongly that's a different discussion. He didn't do his time, stuck 2 fingers up to the law and revelled in it. So if it is revenge as you feel it is maybe just maybe it's deserved

Edited 7 August, 2009 by saint_bert

[Gingeletiss]

So you think it's OK to keep a very old man, who's dying, in jail........but allow some thug who killed for a few pounds, out in 6/7 years. This country has gone to pot, this reasoning is why our old people are scared to walk the streets after 1800 hrs every night. Biggs may be a Crim........but he'd never break into a pensioners house, and beat the sh1t out of them for their pensions.

[Seaford Saint]

So you think it's OK to keep a very old man, who's dying, in jail........but allow some thug who killed for a few pounds, out in 6/7 years. This country has gone to pot, this reasoning is why our old people are scared to walk the streets after 1800 hrs every night. Biggs may be a Crim........but he'd never break into a pensioners house, and beat the sh1t out of them for their pensions.

 

I agree 100% with this and as some one else said Biggs has been a revenge sentence etc

[saint_bert]

So you think it's OK to keep a very old man, who's dying, in jail........but allow some thug who killed for a few pounds, out in 6/7 years. This country has gone to pot, this reasoning is why our old people are scared to walk the streets after 1800 hrs every night. Biggs may be a Crim........but he'd never break into a pensioners house, and beat the sh1t out of them for their pensions.

 

Please show where I put that that it was ok for a thug to kill for a few pounds to get 6/7 years??

 

Biggs may not rob someone house, however he was involved in a violent robberie of a train. Futhermore he then escaped prison and revelled in the fact that the police could do nothing about it

 

Crime is crime at the end of the day and if you found guilty of commiting one you should serve your sentence from day one till release regardless of health, family issue whatever IMO

 

If you can't do the time etc etc

[ribbo]

but he'd never break into a pensioners house, and beat the sh1t out of them for their pensions.

 

unless the house was on rails.

[bungle]

Waste of time spending taxpayers money keeping an eye on him (he was in hospital anyway).

[Rut]

Hopefully he can get well enough to record another single with the Pistols. 'No One Is Innocent' was a great song.

[Greenridge]

Pro's and con's to both sides of the argument. For me, from a justice perspective, he should stay in jail. If you're prepared to do the crime then be prepared to do the time. I don't buy the reason that he is no longer a threat to society, that's got nothing to do with it, he is in prison for a crime and one where someone ultimately lost their life. Whether the death of the guard can be directly attributed to the robbery is up for debate and there appears to be no direct link to Biggs but nonetheless his gang was involved then by association he is guilty.

 

He's not long for this earth anyway so it really is neither here nor there but it would seem to be setting a precedent for all terminally ill prisoners?

[bungle]

He's not long for this earth anyway so it really is neither here nor there but it would seem to be setting a precedent for all terminally ill prisoners?

 

Er, plenty of prisoners get released on compassionate grounds. He is far from the first.

[hamster]

Milions of TShirt sellers have done well out of him, so ironically in a way, he has actually 'given something back'. Also Buster is one of my favourite films and 'Groovy Kind of Love' was number 1 when mrs hamster and I first made love.

[Junction 9]

Bigss wasn't in prison because he was dangerous so the harmless old man theory doesn't wash. He was being punished for a crime. If you think people should be let out for health reasons then it should be across the board.

Personally I couldn't give a toss where the **** finally dies, he played the wide boy gangster "you wont catch me" character for many years and now at the end wants compassion.

[pilsburydoughboy]

Milions of TShirt sellers have done well out of him, so ironically in a way, he has actually 'given something back'. Also Buster is one of my favourite films and 'Groovy Kind of Love' was number 1 when mrs hamster and I first made love.

 

Oh Dear God far too much information.

[saintwarwick]

Seems theft warrants more of a sentence than murder these days :confused:

[Greenridge]

Er, plenty of prisoners get released on compassionate grounds. He is far from the first.

 

Yes of course you are right, my bad.

 

Sounds like he was in a conventional hospital under guard rather than a prison hospital so I guess it free's up the costs of guarding him if nothing else.

[Deppo]

Milions of TShirt sellers have done well out of him, so ironically in a way, he has actually 'given something back'. Also Buster is one of my favourite films and 'Groovy Kind of Love' was number 1 when mrs hamster and I first made love.

 

'Rat Rapping' was number one when me and Alfonso first made love.

[PhilB]

Ronnie Biggs did nothing wrong compared to the little P-ricks that murdered Jamie Bulger and what do they get government protection and relocated with new ID's to live the rest of their lives whilst poor little JB's life was snubbed out.