Whitey Grandad Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Seems the only people happy to remain in L1 for more than one year are the happy clappy crew. AP said top 2 (this year), I say up this year anyone with any ambition says up this year. Problem with a few of us (group is getting smaller thank god) is they have began to accept 2nd best and are now content just to survive and "consolidate". Quite sad I have never said that I am happy to remain in this division for more than one season, just that I am prepared to be patient and wait for the proper foundations to be laid which will lead to sustained improvement in our league standings. With -10 points automatic promotion this season will be difficult, but not impossible, and I am fully confident that the management team will take the necessary steps to achieve long-term growth. Having said that, there are bound to be the occasional setbacks but at least we are heading in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 I think O_B_S and Crouchies Liketotalk...are in fact a tag team. They are both spouting their 'we want it now' sh1t on a few threads now, and seem to be encouraging each others efforts to deride those with some common sense. Alas, that is the way of the world with the yoof today....think they have all the answers, but never acknowledge what the original question was!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 OBS, I would love to get promoted this season, I truly hope we do, however there are strong teams in Div1 this season, and we have -10 points, so there is a distinct possibilty, that I recognise, that we may not go up. Me accepting that as a possibility is not me showing a lack of ambition, its me being realistic. Am I part of the 'Happy Clappy' crew, just so as I know for future reference? Are you a happy clapper? Let’s see.... You say in the above that "there are strong teams in our league" and remind us of the -10. You would then (I hope) agree that we also need to be strong(er) to have any chance of getting promoted? Right? Quick questions - - Do we need new players fast? A (Yes) B (No) C (In AP we trust) - Are you frustrated by the lack of additions this summer? A (Yes) B(no) C (In AP we trust) - Compare your feeling today against the few days after the takeover...are you A (Less optimistic) B (More Optimistic) C ("Just glad we have a club") - are we ready for the new season? A (No way) B (Yes) C ("AP has only been here a few weeks") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 The problem is though, that this, was not our original disagreement – was it? The original disagreement was because you intimated and suggested that the club had lied to you (us), by reporting that it was a WP issue. At that time, the club had made no official announcement about the player whatsoever. I think that if you check, you will find that this ‘reason’ was reported by the Echo – not the club. I haven’t been about much this morning or checked the media – but as far as I am aware, the only official news emanating from SFC about this deal, from AP, is that there is a problem and they are still pursuing it. Therefore, for the last time – the club did not and has not lied to you (us). No, they haven’t given you any specific reason as to why the deal is not done, or the problems that exist – but they have not been dishonest either. So there you go – debate the ‘original point, and I’ll maintain my stance – but thanks for your efforts. Unfortunately for some, it appears to be the new way business is now conducted at SMS, quietly, confidentially and professionally. Gone are the days when ‘club or board personalities’ might decide to pop up on web sites such as this to ‘gauge the reaction’ or even attempt to ‘further their own agenda’. It was hoped that with the successful takeover, gone would be the disunion between the fans and gone would be the conspiracy theories and threads – alas, without a ball yet kicked, that appears not to be the case. Me, a ‘Happy Clappy’ as you so eloquently put it – probably not actually. But I do not have so short a memory as to forget where we were only 2 – 3 months ago, for me, ‘The futures bright – the future is (Swiss) red & white’. Maybe I should have worded the initial post differently Micky yes, what I meant on reflection was that I would not be best pleased if it transpired that the original reason given for the failure to sign Jaidi was not true, which it looks likely is the case. It can be argued from both sides till we are blue in the face how this information came to light and I appreciate it was not directly from the club in the form of an official announcement. I cannot say in certainty that it even came indirectly from the club, but I am pretty sure that it has, one way or another. For that reason, I am bemused as to why (possibly) someone from the club has said the deal is (all but?) dead due to work permit issues when they have not even applied for one yet! They may have a very strong feeling that they will be refused a permit, however, as it has also been pointed out from many posters, there is an open appeal process which is very thorough and there is a good chance (seeing as he has resided and played in England for the last 5 years) that the appeal will be successful. So the fact that the club are not willing to even bother trying (from what the Echo have indirectly reported) is somewhat confusing? I believe there is other information they are not telling us about which is an underlying reason. I would like to know why they would not like to inform us of this information as it would put a lot of peoples mind's at ease I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 I think O_B_S and Crouchies Liketotalk...are in fact a tag team. They are both spouting their 'we want it now' sh1t on a few threads now, and seem to be encouraging each others efforts to deride those with some common sense. Alas, that is the way of the world with the yoof today....think they have all the answers, but never acknowledge what the original question was!!!!! where have we said "we want it now" and where have we encouraged each other? It's you hapy clappers that shadow each other from thread to thread posting your boring "In AP we trust" and "I'm just happy to have a club" tosh. We have different opinions - live with it bucko. I'm not a "Yoof" i'm just a fan that wants the best for my team and have not resigned myself to accepting 2nd best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Are you a happy clapper? Let’s see.... You say in the above that "there are strong teams in our league" and remind us of the -10. You would then (I hope) agree that we also need to be strong(er) to have any chance of getting promoted? Right? Quick questions - - Do we need new players fast? A (Yes) B (No) C (In AP we trust) - Are you frustrated by the lack of additions this summer? A (Yes) B(no) C (In AP we trust) - Compare your feeling today against the few days after the takeover...are you A (Less optimistic) B (More Optimistic) C ("Just glad we have a club") - are we ready for the new season? A (No way) B (Yes) C ("AP has only been here a few weeks") I've answered A, B, C and none of the above to the four questions, so what does that make me? :confused: :confused: :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Maybe I should have worded the initial post differently Micky yes, what I meant on reflection was that I would not be best pleased if it transpired that the original reason given for the failure to sign Jaidi was not true, which it looks likely is the case. It can be argued from both sides till we are blue in the face how this information came to light and I appreciate it was not directly from the club in the form of an official announcement. I cannot say in certainty that it even came indirectly from the club, but I am pretty sure that it has, one way or another. For that reason, I am bemused as to why (possibly) someone from the club has said the deal is (all but?) dead due to work permit issues when they have not even applied for one yet! They may have a very strong feeling that they will be refused a permit, however, as it has also been pointed out from many posters, there is an open appeal process which is very thorough and there is a good chance (seeing as he has resided and played in England for the last 5 years) that the appeal will be successful. So the fact that the club are not willing to even bother trying (from what the Echo have indirectly reported) is somewhat confusing? I believe there is other information they are not telling us about which is an underlying reason. I would like to know why they would not like to inform us of this information as it would put a lot of peoples mind's at ease I believe. Excellent post Crouchie's Lawyer you're than man! Give me 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 I've answered A, B, C and none of the above to the four questions, so what does that make me? :confused: :confused: :confused: Confused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 I would like to know why they would not like to inform us of this information as it would put a lot of peoples mind's at ease I believe. because they don't have to! Simples Does every little bit of every potential deal have to be done in the public eye to appease the fans?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 where have we said "we want it now" and where have we encouraged each other? It's you hapy clappers that shadow each other from thread to thread posting your boring "In AP we trust" and "I'm just happy to have a club" tosh. We have different opinions - live with it bucko. I'm not a "Yoof" i'm just a fan that wants the best for my team and have not resigned myself to accepting 2nd best. But you have, every single thread has you bemoaning the lack of additions to the squad, if that isn't a "I want it NOW!" attitude then I don't know what is. And maybe, just maybe, the "best for our team" isn't knee jerk spending on every available player who may be better than what we have already. It's that sort of attitude that got is the mess we were in before!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Confused? and with your biased questions I've answered A, B , The Same (my answer) and C best I go getting thick skin on my hands for all the clapping I need to do soon!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 I think O_B_S and Crouchies Liketotalk...are in fact a tag team. They are both spouting their 'we want it now' sh1t on a few threads now, and seem to be encouraging each others efforts to deride those with some common sense. Alas, that is the way of the world with the yoof today....think they have all the answers, but never acknowledge what the original question was!!!!! where have we said "we want it now" and where have we encouraged each other? It's you hapy clappers that shadow each other from thread to thread posting your boring "In AP we trust" and "I'm just happy to have a club" tosh. We have different opinions - live with it bucko. I'm not a "Yoof" i'm just a fan that wants the best for my team and have not resigned myself to accepting 2nd best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Excellent post Crouchie's Lawyer you're than man! Give me 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 and with your biased questions I've answered A, B , The Same (my answer) and C best I go getting thick skin on my hands for all the clapping I need to do soon!! Next time some thing bad happens, ask yourself "What did I do to contribute to this, and what can I do to make things better?" Apologize to the world for the part you played in messing things up, even if you don't feel it was your fault. Apologize to yourself as well, and then forgive yourself. Now all you can do is start all over again. There is no use having any bad feelings, for that will just dig you even deeper into the hole. Smile and be happy, and you will quickly find your way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 where have we said "we want it now" and where have we encouraged each other? It's you hapy clappers that shadow each other from thread to thread posting your boring "In AP we trust" and "I'm just happy to have a club" tosh. We have different opinions - live with it bucko. I'm not a "Yoof" i'm just a fan that wants the best for my team and have not resigned myself to accepting 2nd best. excellent post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Next time some thing bad happens, ask yourself "What did I do to contribute to this, and what can I do to make things better?" Apologize to the world for the part you played in messing things up, even if you don't feel it was your fault. Apologize to yourself as well, and then forgive yourself. Now all you can do is start all over again. There is no use having any bad feelings, for that will just dig you even deeper into the hole. Smile and be happy, and you will quickly find your way out. Are your drugs wearing off?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Maybe I should have worded the initial post differently Micky yes, what I meant on reflection was that I would not be best pleased if it transpired that the original reason given for the failure to sign Jaidi was not true, which it looks likely is the case. It can be argued from both sides till we are blue in the face how this information came to light and I appreciate it was not directly from the club in the form of an official announcement. I cannot say in certainty that it even came indirectly from the club, but I am pretty sure that it has, one way or another. For that reason, I am bemused as to why (possibly) someone from the club has said the deal is (all but?) dead due to work permit issues when they have not even applied for one yet! They may have a very strong feeling that they will be refused a permit, however, as it has also been pointed out from many posters, there is an open appeal process which is very thorough and there is a good chance (seeing as he has resided and played in England for the last 5 years) that the appeal will be successful. So the fact that the club are not willing to even bother trying (from what the Echo have indirectly reported) is somewhat confusing? I believe there is other information they are not telling us about which is an underlying reason. I would like to know why they would not like to inform us of this information as it would put a lot of peoples mind's at ease I believe. CL, thank you very much for reflecting and considering your original comments, I think that it is important that we don’t taint our current Board & Management with wholly unfounded accusations. If you really wish to debate the issue of where the ‘information’ came from, then I might agree with you in that it is likely that if could have originated from within the club. That said it does not make it official information, i.e. information that has been screened and agreed for dissemination to the public at large. Information emanates from many different unofficial sources within any business organisation, and not all of these sources are creditable because they invariably do not know the ‘full story’. The information may well have come from the club, but it has come via ‘an office temp’, ‘the cleaner’, ‘a junior scholar’ or the like who has made a casual remark to friend or family, which then gets passed on and pretty soon we have the snowball effect. So you see – I agree, in principle that the information could have originated at source from the Club, but the fact remains that nobody sanctioned, vetted or agreed that the information should be put into the public domain. There is a world of difference between ‘Official’ and ‘Unofficial’ sources, and it can make a world of difference to the information too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Haven't looked at this thread for a while...wish i hadn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Haven't looked at this thread for a while...wish i hadn't... Thats about 15-20 minutes you wont get back eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Thats about 15-20 minutes you wont get back eh? Quite...although not quite that long a time frame... Also i've not actually seen anyone use "In AP we trust" other than people complaining about others doing it... Was hoping we'd lost the "happy clappers" expression as well...it is so utterly bent it hurts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Quite...although not quite that long a time frame... Also i've not actually seen anyone use "In AP we trust" other than people complaining about others doing it... Was hoping we'd lost the "happy clappers" expression as well...it is so utterly bent it hurts... These are both rather extreme epithets to describe Saints' supporters. The season hasn't kicked off yet and we are being divided into two different camps. Can't we just enjoy the football? I haven't done that for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 These are both rather extreme epithets to describe Saints' supporters. The season hasn't kicked off yet and we are being divided into two different camps. Can't we just enjoy the football? I haven't done that for quite a while. Yes you can, and thus from now on you will be referred to as 'Enjoying Ernie'. You are the new third brand of fan, and can even be the chief of the Enjoying Ernie's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 These are both rather extreme epithets to describe Saints' supporters. The season hasn't kicked off yet and we are being divided into two different camps. Can't we just enjoy the football? I haven't done that for quite a while. This time tomorrow the result should polarise the happy clappies from the slitty wristies...unless it is a draw of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 This time tomorrow the result should polarise the happy clappies from the slitty wristies...unless it is a draw of course! where are you at the moment FF, happy wristie?????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Yes you can' date=' and thus from now on you will be referred to as 'Enjoying Ernie'. You are the new third brand of fan, and can even be the chief of the Enjoying Ernie's![/quote'] And Crouchie what about you lot the Moaning Minnies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Are you a happy clapper? - Do we need new players fast? A (Yes) B (No) C (In AP we trust) B - Do we need new players? Yes. Do we need new players FAST? Nope, more important to get the right players over the next few weeks, than to rush into anything we might regret - Are you frustrated by the lack of additions this summer? A (Yes) B(no) C (In AP we trust) B - No not at all frustrated, yet. However, if we still have the same squad when the window closes I'll be far less happy. - Compare your feeling today against the few days after the takeover...are you A (Less optimistic) B (More Optimistic) C ("Just glad we have a club") D - Same. I am still equally optimistic. - are we ready for the new season? A (No way) B (Yes) C ("AP has only been here a few weeks") D - Partially. I have more confidence in the training, and tactics. A better question to ask might be: Is it more important to sign a player fast; or wait a few weeks and sign the right player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 where are you at the moment FF, happy wristie?????????? Or Slitty Clappy? (Enjoying Ernie sounds rather like a dubious Saturday night pastime, unless you're referring to the Benny Hill appreciation society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 B - Do we need new players? Yes. Do we need new players FAST? Nope, more important to get the right players over the next few weeks, than to rush into anything we might regret Is it more important to sign a player fast; or wait a few weeks and sign the right player? The most sense that has been written on this thread by a long way. Alan Pardew has a lot of experience and will know what is needed to get out of this league. I'm sure if he wanted he could have signed 5-6 players by now, but that would be a knee-jerk panicky approach to managing a football club. He has to assess the players that are already here, how they fit in with his style of play and then decide which of the players available on the market will complement or add to that. Panic buying is the worst thing you can do when you have a long term strategy.I'm sure if Redknapp had had more time he would not have signed Bernard and Davenport in that fateful January transfer window... We signed a lot of players in a short period of time during Burley's first full season in charge....the hangover from that binge sent the club into admin. AP will sign players by the end of the transfer window, of that we can be fairly certain. To complain that he hasn't signed more in his short spell already is impatient and petulant to say the least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Are you a happy clapper? Let’s see.... You say in the above that "there are strong teams in our league" and remind us of the -10. You would then (I hope) agree that we also need to be strong(er) to have any chance of getting promoted? Right? Quick questions - - Do we need new players fast? A (Yes) B (No) C (In AP we trust) - Are you frustrated by the lack of additions this summer? A (Yes) B(no) C (In AP we trust) - Compare your feeling today against the few days after the takeover...are you A (Less optimistic) B (More Optimistic) C ("Just glad we have a club") - are we ready for the new season? A (No way) B (Yes) C ("AP has only been here a few weeks") Do we need players fast - no, but we do need a few additions before end of window Are you frustrated - not at all, most transfers are within last 24 hours of window More optimistic as have been impressed by Cortesse and Pardew Are we ready for the season - no totally, but due to the late takeover that was never likely, but we do have a basis of a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 A better question to ask might be: Is it more important to sign a player fast; or wait a few weeks and sign the right player? why does buying a player fast automatically mean the player wont be right? Are you suggesting Harding is rubbish because AP bought him after 2 days? Your point is now moot - buying player(s) now could hardly be described as "fast" AP is waiting for the right players - he has targets (Stern, Jaidi.....) he just hasnt been able to convince them to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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