Saints miss out on Jaidi signing

[Toadhall Saint]

This seems like a load of cack to me. Jaidi didn't think he needed a Work Permit because he doesn't!

He has been here over 5 years and can apply for settlement.

 

 

What exactly is "settlement" tho'.

[bpsaint]

Didn't we have a promising youngster at one point ?? Peryplotikin ?? Supposed to be the next shevchenko ?? What happened to him ??

 

I know we couldn't get a permit

 

He played for Derby last season,dunno if he's still there or not.I remember Glenn Hoddle being a bit miffed about losing a player called Patrice Tano because of work permit issues,he seemed to think highly of him.

[mcjwills]

Once again it seems that once again our wonderful government departments can stop an immigrant earning a living in this country and making a positive contributions through a high rate of tax and insurance, but will let in an inordinate amount of immigrants that want to freeload off us taxpayers. Go Figure......

[eelpie]

Is this a potential back-up plan to Jaidi? (Or maybe just a straight forward signing based upon his own merits, obviously)

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/norwich/8187442.stm

 

Not played since November because of knee ligament trouble. Sounds ideal. Thomas could back him up.

[eelpie]

We are in League 1

 

Goodness me. Did nobody notice?

[Micky]

Not played since November because of knee ligament trouble. Sounds ideal. Thomas could back him up.

 

Gotta laugh...!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

A brief guide to football work permits :

 

http://www.fmformation.net/fm06-technical-guides/4436-work-permits-real-life-rules.html

 

It's all to do with the players current national team status apparently .

[There when Franny scored]

Once again it seems that once again our wonderful government departments can stop an immigrant earning a living in this country and making a positive contributions through a high rate of tax and insurance, but will let in an inordinate amount of immigrants that want to freeload off us taxpayers. Go Figure......

 

 

I think you'll find that the vast majority of immigrants are desperate to work when they arrive but aren't allowed to under the terms of our government's Dickensian asylum policy.

 

It is illegal to seek or undertake paid emploment whilst an asylum application in pending though the average turn around for a case is almost 3 years. Why do you think there are Lawyers and Doctors driving taxis in Southampton? Are they trying to 'freeload of us taxpayers'?

[CLOTH EARS]

I wouldn't mind betting that the real reason that the move didn't happen is that he failed the medical. His agent could've asked the club not to give the real reason for the move falling through so they came up with this work permit excuse.

[Ponty]

I wouldn't mind betting that the real reason that the move didn't happen is that he failed the medical. His agent could've asked the club not to give the real reason for the move falling through so they came up with this work permit excuse.

 

Why would the club lie for his agent?

[Micky]

I wouldn't mind betting that the real reason that the move didn't happen is that he failed the medical. His agent could've asked the club not to give the real reason for the move falling through so they came up with this work permit excuse.

 

So he failed his medical, then (allegedly) went to meet the players, and then (allegedly) trained with the players, and the club then lies about the reason as to why he has not signed on his agents say so.

 

Somebody - please remind me - what day is it...?

[AlfredKo]

A brief guide to football work permits :

 

http://www.fmformation.net/fm06-technical-guides/4436-work-permits-real-life-rules.html

 

It's all to do with the players current national team status apparently .

 

**** it!!!!

 

When Manchester United signed Park Ji Sung, Nani, Andersson. They are no where ****ing near to their team status apparently. Eventually they all make it, how the **** can they be more appropriate than Jaidi who had played in England for 5 years and is the international skipper for the country? He just didn't play enough games for the country because of possibly injuries or even not enough games for the African teams to play.

[Redondo Saint]

didn't the frickin player's agent check this out?!!!!

SFC should charge him for the medical test cost and anything else.

 

tosser.

[InvictaSaint]

I think you'll find that the vast majority of immigrants are desperate to work when they arrive but aren't allowed to under the terms of our government's Dickensian asylum policy.

 

It is illegal to seek or undertake paid emploment whilst an asylum application in pending though the average turn around for a case is almost 3 years. Why do you think there are Lawyers and Doctors driving taxis in Southampton? Are they trying to 'freeload of us taxpayers'?

 

I would add to this that I find it hypocritical and not a little ironic that people choose to single out immigrants for verbal and physical attack, labelling them as freeloaders, when every day I drive past many of this country's finest indigenous youth doing the square root of **** all and then complaining that their benefits don't stretch to 20 Marlboro a day, an XBox 360 and a Plasma TV. Perhaps we should look a little closer to home at a generation of British people either too lazy, or too comfortable to seek/do work whilst the immigrants they and others seek to criticise are actually trying to achieve something.

[lordswoodsaints]

I have no beef with you over this.........but it is wearing a bit thin, when every post has the same names, moaning that things arn't happening as fast as they would like. They will happen, at a speed that is complient with what the board/manager wants........so give them a chance.

 

Likewise,I have no arguments with anybody,I like the fact that we all have differing opinions it makes us all human but I do worry that we are going to fall too far behind before the new regime have time to stamp their mark.

If we are struggling in the transfer Market without having a backup plan then this will be a massive setback that we may not recover from this season.

We are already walking a thin line and if we can't get the balance right then we are bound to fall.

I am fully behind ML and pardew and I pray that they can get things.

[Micky]

I would add to this that I find it hypocritical and not a little ironic that people choose to single out immigrants for verbal and physical attack, labelling them as freeloaders, when every day I drive past many of this country's finest indigenous youth doing the square root of **** all and then complaining that their benefits don't stretch to 20 Marlboro a day, an XBox 360 and a Plasma TV. Perhaps we should look a little closer to home at a generation of British people either too lazy, or too comfortable to seek/do work whilst the immigrants they and others seek to criticise are actually trying to achieve something.

 

Well said that man.

[Block 5]

I would add to this that I find it hypocritical and not a little ironic that people choose to single out immigrants for verbal and physical attack, labelling them as freeloaders, when every day I drive past many of this country's finest indigenous youth doing the square root of **** all and then complaining that their benefits don't stretch to 20 Marlboro a day, an XBox 360 and a Plasma TV. Perhaps we should look a little closer to home at a generation of British people either too lazy, or too comfortable to seek/do work whilst the immigrants they and others seek to criticise are actually trying to achieve something.

 

Good post!

[SKATE_HATE]

**** it!!!!

 

When Manchester United signed Park Ji Sung, Nani, Andersson. They are no where ****ing near to their team status apparently. Eventually they all make it, how the **** can they be more appropriate than Jaidi who had played in England for 5 years and is the international skipper for the country? He just didn't play enough games for the country because of possibly injuries or even not enough games for the African teams to play.

 

Portugese

[Kaiser Soze]

Will we appeal?

[Torres]

**** it!!!!

 

When Manchester United signed Park Ji Sung, Nani, Andersson. They are no where ****ing near to their team status apparently. Eventually they all make it, how the **** can they be more appropriate than Jaidi who had played in England for 5 years and is the international skipper for the country? He just didn't play enough games for the country because of possibly injuries or even not enough games for the African teams to play.

 

Made his debut for South Korea 5 years before joining Man U and was a regular in their side.

[Micky]

Will we appeal?

 

I would imagine that the club would consider:

 

a. Do we think an appeal would be successful ?

b. Can we complete the appeal process relatively quickly ?

c. Is the player a lot better than any alternatives that we have lined up ?

 

If the answer to those questions are yes then I would expect us to appeal.

[Um Bongo]

Why would we appeal? We haven't even applied for one.

[(not THE) Kevin Moore]

I would add to this that I find it hypocritical and not a little ironic that people choose to single out immigrants for verbal and physical attack, labelling them as freeloaders, when every day I drive past many of this country's finest indigenous youth doing the square root of **** all and then complaining that their benefits don't stretch to 20 Marlboro a day, an XBox 360 and a Plasma TV. Perhaps we should look a little closer to home at a generation of British people either too lazy, or too comfortable to seek/do work whilst the immigrants they and others seek to criticise are actually trying to achieve something.

 

thirded.

 

I'm all in favour of some sort of exchange program. We send them all our doleys in exchange for their people looking for work.

[thorpie the sinner]

reading pardews interview, it sounds like an issue with the player himself!!!

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

What exactly is "settlement" tho'.

 

Applying for settlement in the United Kingdom

 

 

This section explains how you can apply for permanent residence in the United Kingdom (we call this 'indefinite leave to remain').

After you have lived legally in the United Kingdom for a certain length of time (usually between two and five years), you may be able to apply to live here permanently, depending on the category of visa you have. You should see the appropriate category for more information on whether you can apply for permanent residence and the qualifying period for it. See Application types for details of categories that may qualify.

If your visa category is not listed in Application types, you may not be able to apply for permanent residence. If you are here on a working visa, the appropriate section of Working in the UK will tell you whether you can apply for permanent residence.

To be able to apply for permanent residence, you will normally first need to show that you have enough knowledge of language and life in the United Kingdom.

You must not send us your application more than 28 days before the end of your qualifying period. If you do, we may refuse your application with no refund of the fee. However, you must make your application before your current permission to stay in the United Kingdom expires.

For information on which application form you will need to complete, see Application types.

Indefinite leave to remain (often known as ILR) is permission to stay permanently (settle) in the United Kingdom, free from immigration control. Frequently Asked Questions

 

 

 

• What is my immigration status while my application is being decided?
   
  Close If you make an application before your authorised stay ends, your existing immigration status will continue until your application is decided, even if the decision is not made until after the end of your permitted stay. If your existing visa or other permission to stay here allows you to work, you can continue to do so until your case is decided.
  

[Toadhall Saint]

Cheers DSM

[hectors house]

Pardew interview on Saints Player backs up even more what comes across in the interview on the OS. Says the deal is "slipping away" for reasons that he does not want to discuss as it would be unfair to the player and the club.

[chrisobee]

Actually, many of the Super League Rugby League teams have had major problems with the UK Border Agency over work permits for their Australian and New Zealand imports.

 

Indeed and I can think of at least 3 top class players from Australia who were refused work perrmits this year in Greg Bird, Michael Crocker and Todd Carney. Fair to say all 3 were involved in off field problems which were the primary reason for the rejection but it did not stop Greg Bird getting a work permit to play in France for Catalan Dragons. Others had their work permits granted on appeal. So it is clearly not a straightforward and automatic process and thus I was not overly surprised this happened.

[scotty]

wasnt it dave jones that kept hammering away at a work permit for marian pahars, like a dog with a bone? Even though it kept getting delayed/refused? I was quite impressed with that.

[scotty]

I would add to this that I find it hypocritical and not a little ironic that people choose to single out immigrants for verbal and physical attack, labelling them as freeloaders, when every day I drive past many of this country's finest indigenous youth doing the square root of **** all and then complaining that their benefits don't stretch to 20 Marlboro a day, an XBox 360 and a Plasma TV. Perhaps we should look a little closer to home at a generation of British people either too lazy, or too comfortable to seek/do work whilst the immigrants they and others seek to criticise are actually trying to achieve something.

 

very well put. It always pis*es me off hearing the same people that moan about immigrants being workshy scroungers then turn round and complain that "the immigrants are taking all our jobs"....

[Minsk]

We had him on a Student visa and when that expired he went back to Ukraine. Ironically he is now a Latvian citizen, which if he had have been then, we would have been able to keep him under EU rules.

 

Correct, apart from the fact that Latvia weren't in the EU then so it would have made no difference.

 

And on the main topic of this thread:

 

In the 'Pardew read for the off' article on the OS he (AP) states the club have been trying to 'broker a deal' with Jaidi but haven't reached an agreement yet. He also says that the chance of signing him hasn't gone away for good.

 

So it seems that all this talk of work permits is hairy, dangly, male appendages and we simply haven't agreed terms with Jaidi.

 

N.B. As far as I can see this is the only mention on the OS about us and Jaidi. So it seems the club aren't fobbing us off and many on here were getting their knickers in a twist over nothing (as per usual).

[AlfredKo]

Made his debut for South Korea 5 years before joining Man U and was a regular in their side.

 

I am really sure about when the year he joined Man U, his international appearence in the past 12 years are not enough. I can see in the World Cup qualifying games for South Korea, they don't always play their full strength team all the way. So there is no shocking that Park Ji Sung only turn up for about 50% for the international games especially he won't play any friendies. But evetually his work permit was sorted out by Alex Ferguson, the suituation is too similar for Jaidi, why the **** we can't sort out a work permit for Jaidi.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Minor frustration. Jaidi would have been a good signing, but at our level there are plenty more fish in the sea. No big deal. Move on. I am sure Pardew has.

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Ok, now for some major quote'age as I am not on here often and it seems in my absence, I took a kicking. Following through the rest of the thread, while people have not (for Micky's purpose) indicated they are not happy with the board (which I stress I am happy with the board) It does appear with some of the latter posts in this thread that there IS underlying reasons which may NOT be associated to the WP issue. Which begs the question "Who told us it was a WP issue? Why did they tell us that, and what is the real reason?"

 

I'm a Fan, Season Ticket Holder for well over 30 years .....and I am in agreement with modern matron ........

 

As he said, we Tick ALL the right boxes ..... but have NOT "Paid" for a player yet, and, as many many Fans will tell you, we are ALMOST AS WEAK AS LAST SEASON

 

We needed TWO New Faces for the Millwall match, and now, being REALISTIC ( which you still can be although a Saints Fan ), I think we will lose on Saturday

 

" Wake up, smell the roses, greet the new dawn at St Mary's with a smile "

 

I've done all that ........ now, where's a Team that can punch it's weight in Div 1 ???

 

God SR, how very dare you have a differing opinion to any of the other happy clappers on here! Thats just god damn rude! I am not a moaner, I just like to look at things from a different angle which will inevitably give me differing views of other people. I am glad I have a club yes, but that doesnt mean I will be content with mid table League 1 obscurity for th next god knows how many years. Which on the face of it, with our current team looks very likely. We are too weak to compete with the top teams in this league and need to sign quality players who will help us achieve our goal of getting back up to the CCC and then the Prem. Jaidi is IMO one of these players, so excuse me for being a little p****d that it hasnt come off.

 

It is being questioned now that they didnt even apply for a work permit, let alone appeal. DSM has proven that a WP should not be an issue and Im sure the legal bods at SMS would know this too. So what is the real reason? And why is this being withheld from us?

 

So you don't think the player or the players agent are privvy to contract negotiations

 

If you read the post I was replying to VS it mentioned (I believe) people like the FA and immigration hence why I said they would not be privvy to contract talks. It did not mention the player or their agent, who of course would have that information. :backatyourollyeyedthing:

 

Didn't we have a promising youngster at one point ?? Peryplotikin ?? Supposed to be the next shevchenko ?? What happened to him ??

 

I know we couldn't get a permit

 

Yes, he was a promising player. Funny story is that he was dating a friend of mine and his agent approached her mother suggesting he would be prepared to pay a handsome sum if she agreed to wed him so he could stay here!

 

Everytime somebody says something you don't like or has a different opinion you play the 'just be thankful that you have a club to support' card.......this is the extent of you argument and it is wearing a bit thin.

How long are we supposed to be grateful? There were many fans who 'went Wilde for mike' (not me),he was the new saviour to some and they rolled out the same tripe as you are,and what happened?....nothing apart from more fook ups and disaster.

 

I am glad I have a club to support,but let's not kid ourselves,ML is not doing it for nothing,there is always a price to pay........I don't know what that is yet but in time we will all know.

I am right behind the new regime but I will continue to question the lack of activity in the transfer Market that is leaving us dangerously short of quality to compete.I don't want to see another season of struggle and heartache but if pardew is struggling to attract any players then that's what it will be.

 

Closing your eyes and shouting 'be grateful' will just hold us back.

 

Again Lordswood Saint... dont you dare have a differing opinion! It's not allowed on here. The format for threads is strictly someone starts a thread and everyone has to all say "I completely agree with that, good post".

 

The one article suggests it's the club who doesn't want to apply for a permit which confuses me no end

 

Yes, very confusing and you have to question why if what DSM says is true.

 

WTF!!!! this just doesn't make sense. if he didnt think he would get a work permit then he wouldn't have bothered with the medical, contract negotiations and all. There is no harm in at least applying for the permit. simply doesn't make sense and thus i don't believe the article has an ounce of truth if im totally honest. may just be optimistic thinking - and there may well be a delay in the signing due to the WP so we'll make do with perry and lancashire on saturday at least.

 

So you are saying that what has come out (directly or otherwise for Mickys sake) is maybe not true! :shock: prepare to be abused by many!

 

The wording on the OS says he hadn't applied for one has he didn't believe he'd get one. How on earth would he know until he asked and, simple thought, how has he been able to play for these last few seasons? Surely he's had one?

 

I think it's a ruse and he'll sign for a better contract elsewhere within days!

 

See above comment, prepare for a bashing from people!

 

This seems like a load of cack to me. Jaidi didn't think he needed a Work Permit because he doesn't!

He has been here over 5 years and can apply for settlement.

 

Thank you DSM. I chose to question this and the 'reasons' given for the move falling apart and people tear me apart for it. Ok I may not have used the best wording to relay my point, but because I chose to look at it from a different point, people slate me.

 

Pardew interview on Saints Player backs up even more what comes across in the interview on the OS. Says the deal is "slipping away" for reasons that he does not want to discuss as it would be unfair to the player and the club.

 

So not WP issues then. Sounds possibly like something coming up in the medical, or that the player was wanting too much money? Dont see why else the club would feel they need to protect the player and our club?!

[The9]

Well that post will kill the thread... :smt040

[Glasgow_Saint]

Well that post will kill the thread... :smt040

 

if anyone has time to read it

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Well that post will kill the thread... :smt040

 

Good

[DT]

Wonder if it will magically go through before 12 today?

[hugh]

Sometimes I think that a Twitter style limit on characters per post would be good idea.

 

[Greedyfly]

THIS is the important bit of the (nicely found) legal stuff above, the appeal process after the bog-standard and usually rejected initial Work Permit application :

 

Panels

Where an application does not meet the published criteria, a club may request a panel to consider the player’s skills and experience. In these cases the sports and entertainments team, Border and Immigration Agency, will refer the club's evidence to an independent panel.

 

Where possible the club’s supporting evidence will be sent to the governing bodies in advance for their consideration in order to allow an informed decision.

 

The panel will normally consist of representatives from the relevant football governing bodies together with up to three independent experts.

 

The panel's terms of reference are:

 

To consider whether the player is of the highest calibre

To consider whether the player is able to contribute significantly to the development of the game at the top level in UK.

The panel will make a recommendation to the Border and Immigration Agency whose decision will then be relayed to the club.

 

Pretty sure that's how we got Pahars in, the application gets rejected, you appeal, it gets considered by a panel. I should think there's plenty of grounds for a Jaidi appeal to be accepted.

 

Yep I am with you on that one. Assuming Jaidi has accepted the contract in principal and that there are no other issues with the deal I feel it fairly safe to assume that we will end up with him as a Saints player...Just based on the 'permit issue' alone. If there are other factors though, as suggested in this thread then it could be another long, unnecessarily, drawn out affair...such is the norm with Saints.

[Big Bad Bob]

reading pardews interview, it sounds like an issue with the player himself!!!

 

Pardew interview on Saints Player backs up even more what comes across in the interview on the OS. Says the deal is "slipping away" for reasons that he does not want to discuss as it would be unfair to the player and the club.

 

What interview on the OS, I can't find one

[ponto1963]

What interview on the OS, I can't find one

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1745764,00.html

[Big Bad Bob]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1745764,00.html

 

Thanks, he doesn't really say a lot about the transfer does he.

 

Just got the Echo email and it said that the club haven't applied for a a work permit, and won't do until they are sure they'll get one!!

 

There is some overreaction on this thread isn't there. The only articles that said there were work permit problems haven't come for the club and as such I call "conjecture" on them.

[emerson massey]

Is it possible the delay is due to medical reasons, i was under the impression that there was an issue with his knee. Maybe we are awaiting test results?

 

Or has he passed his medical already? I was under the impression that a medical would usually only go ahead after the club & player agreed contractual terms.

 

Probably wrong but thought i would put it out there.

 

Em

[the saint in winchester]

I would add to this that I find it hypocritical and not a little ironic that people choose to single out immigrants for verbal and physical attack, labelling them as freeloaders, when every day I drive past many of this country's finest indigenous youth doing the square root of **** all and then complaining that their benefits don't stretch to 20 Marlboro a day, an XBox 360 and a Plasma TV. Perhaps we should look a little closer to home at a generation of British people either too lazy, or too comfortable to seek/do work whilst the immigrants they and others seek to criticise are actually trying to achieve something.

 

Spot on, Invicta. You have a history of concise and cogent articulation and this adds to it.

[Gingeletiss]

Crouchies Lawyer..........long post, didn't actually say a great deal, except how you're right, and everyone else is wrong. I did clip this little bit:-

 

 

I am glad I have a club yes, but that doesnt mean I will be content with mid table League 1 obscurity for th next god knows how many years. Which on the face of it, with our current team looks very likely. We are too weak to compete with the top teams in this league and need to sign quality players who will help us achieve our goal of getting back up to the CCC and then the Prem.

 

You infer that others would be content to languish in league 1......like others, you presume to have all the say, and when challenged on this, take an infantile type of umbrage. Pray show me where anyone on this forum has made a wish to remain in league 1 for 'God knows how many years'....

 

Now may I take time, to point out something, that is the backbone of all my counter arguments. ML and AP, have both gone on record as saying that they have a 5 year business plan.....phase 1 of this, is putting into place a solid foundation, something sadly lacking at this club for a number of years. This may result in another year in this Division (A Hum!!! -10). Some of us, have accepted this..........but, and please take note here CL, but, we would all love us to be back in the premiership.

 

The question was asked last week by another poster....right at this moment, today, who would you rather be......Saints or Poopey....answer that with honesty mate.

Edited 7 August, 2009 by Gingeletiss

[Wes Tender]

Yep I am with you on that one. Assuming Jaidi has accepted the contract in principal and that there are no other issues with the deal I feel it fairly safe to assume that we will end up with him as a Saints player...Just based on the 'permit issue' alone. If there are other factors though, as suggested in this thread then it could be another long, unnecessarily, drawn out affair...such is the norm with Saints.

 

+1.

 

I am slightly incredulous as to there being problems with a WP. If this was a player applying to come here to play football here for the first time, fair enough. But having been here for 5 years, I don't see this as an issue provided that he has been offered continuing employment in the same type of work. Besides, there might well even be substantial time remaining on his current visa to stay here, as well as the possibility of him applying for an Indefinite Leave to Remain Visa if he wished to remain here.

 

I have suspicions that there is more than meets the eye here. If Jaidi ends up signing for another higher division club, then it will be clear that the WP issue was a total red herring.

 

If it doesn't come to pass that he signs for us, then I'll shrug my shoulders and have faith in Pardew's ability to sign somebody else just as good.

[Micky]

Ok, now for some major quote'age as I am not on here often and it seems in my absence, I took a kicking. Following through the rest of the thread, while people have not (for Micky's purpose) indicated they are not happy with the board (which I stress I am happy with the board) It does appear with some of the latter posts in this thread that there IS underlying reasons which may NOT be associated to the WP issue. Which begs the question "Who told us it was a WP issue? Why did they tell us that, and what is the real reason?"

 

God SR, how very dare you have a differing opinion to any of the other happy clappers on here! Thats just god damn rude! I am not a moaner, I just like to look at things from a different angle which will inevitably give me differing views of other people. I am glad I have a club yes, but that doesnt mean I will be content with mid table League 1 obscurity for th next god knows how many years. Which on the face of it, with our current team looks very likely. We are too weak to compete with the top teams in this league and need to sign quality players who will help us achieve our goal of getting back up to the CCC and then the Prem. Jaidi is IMO one of these players, so excuse me for being a little p****d that it hasnt come off.

 

It is being questioned now that they didnt even apply for a work permit, let alone appeal. DSM has proven that a WP should not be an issue and Im sure the legal bods at SMS would know this too. So what is the real reason? And why is this being withheld from us?

 

If you read the post I was replying to VS it mentioned (I believe) people like the FA and immigration hence why I said they would not be privvy to contract talks. It did not mention the player or their agent, who of course would have that information. :backatyourollyeyedthing:

 

Yes, he was a promising player. Funny story is that he was dating a friend of mine and his agent approached her mother suggesting he would be prepared to pay a handsome sum if she agreed to wed him so he could stay here!

 

Again Lordswood Saint... dont you dare have a differing opinion! It's not allowed on here. The format for threads is strictly someone starts a thread and everyone has to all say "I completely agree with that, good post".

 

Yes, very confusing and you have to question why if what DSM says is true.

 

So you are saying that what has come out (directly or otherwise for Mickys sake) is maybe not true! :shock: prepare to be abused by many!

 

See above comment, prepare for a bashing from people!

 

Thank you DSM. I chose to question this and the 'reasons' given for the move falling apart and people tear me apart for it. Ok I may not have used the best wording to relay my point, but because I chose to look at it from a different point, people slate me.

 

So not WP issues then. Sounds possibly like something coming up in the medical, or that the player was wanting too much money? Dont see why else the club would feel they need to protect the player and our club?!

 

CL, did you really go to the trouble of doing all of this for me – I’m really flattered, honestly. It is a shame though that you have trawled this thread for support, yet totally missed our original disagreement.

 

Let me make this easy for you – I agree with you. How’s that – feel better? Listen, it has absolutely nothing to do with a Work Permit. The player has failed the medical and he wants far too much money and can’t agree personal terms – the club is now not willing to negotiate further.

 

There – we agree. (Well I don’t – but for pacification purposes, I’ll cede)

 

The problem is though, that this, was not our original disagreement – was it?

 

The original disagreement was because you intimated and suggested that the club had lied to you (us), by reporting that it was a WP issue. At that time, the club had made no official announcement about the player whatsoever. I think that if you check, you will find that this ‘reason’ was reported by the Echo – not the club. I haven’t been about much this morning or checked the media – but as far as I am aware, the only official news emanating from SFC about this deal, from AP, is that there is a problem and they are still pursuing it.

 

Therefore, for the last time – the club did not and has not lied to you (us).

 

No, they haven’t given you any specific reason as to why the deal is not done, or the problems that exist – but they have not been dishonest either. So there you go – debate the ‘original point, and I’ll maintain my stance – but thanks for your efforts.

 

Unfortunately for some, it appears to be the new way business is now conducted at SMS, quietly, confidentially and professionally. Gone are the days when ‘club or board personalities’ might decide to pop up on web sites such as this to ‘gauge the reaction’ or even attempt to ‘further their own agenda’.

 

It was hoped that with the successful takeover, gone would be the disunion between the fans and gone would be the conspiracy theories and threads – alas, without a ball yet kicked, that appears not to be the case.

 

Me, a ‘Happy Clappy’ as you so eloquently put it – probably not actually. But I do not have so short a memory as to forget where we were only 2 – 3 months ago, for me, ‘The futures bright – the future is (Swiss) red & white’.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Seems the only people happy to remain in L1 for more than one year are the happy clappy crew. AP said top 2 (this year), I say up this year anyone with any ambition says up this year.

 

Problem with a few of us (group is getting smaller thank god) is they have began to accept 2nd best and are now content just to survive and "consolidate". Quite sad

[merrimd]

OBS, I would love to get promoted this season, I truly hope we do, however there are strong teams in Div1 this season, and we have -10 points, so there is a distinct possibilty, that I recognise, that we may not go up. Me accepting that as a possibility is not me showing a lack of ambition, its me being realistic.

 

Am I part of the 'Happy Clappy' crew, just so as I know for future reference?