Mustapha Fag Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Double LOL, not worth getting infracted about though ! I posted something like that initially and then on reflection downgraded it to general "poke-the-idiot-with-a-stick" type stuff. yeah but Scott this what a forum is all about, people of differing opinions debating the finer point of both sides of the argument *why dont my winky thing work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 You've entirely missed the point Phil - this is not about a work permit - it's because he wants more money...! ....and in your own works: Whoosh - didn't see that one coming... did ya..? I don't agree it's about money WHY did the Work Permit issue NOT come to light, until well into the negotiations ???? ..... is that not one of the FIRST questions you ask if you want to sign a FOREIGN Player ??? .... or is that too simple ??? The whole scenario is a load of Cobblers ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Someone made a good point though, i know it's not as easy as this but. He has been here for 5 years, why can't he get citenzenship ?? Or he could just marry someone, any one up for taking one for the team ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Didn't we have a promising youngster at one point ?? Peryplotikin ?? Supposed to be the next shevchenko ?? What happened to him ?? I know we couldn't get a permit Believe it or not...he was on loan at Derby last season from a latvian club. Didn't do anything at all for them - and he wasn't retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Didn't we have a promising youngster at one point ?? Peryplotikin ?? Supposed to be the next shevchenko ?? What happened to him ?? I know we couldn't get a permit We had him on a Student visa and when that expired he went back to Ukraine. Ironically he is now a Latvian citizen, which if he had have been then, we would have been able to keep him under EU rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Someone made a good point though, i know it's not as easy as this but. He has been here for 5 years, why can't he get citenzenship ?? Or he could just marry someone, any one up for taking one for the team ?? Maybe he doesn't want to become a UK citizen? Believe it or not, some people on the planet don't want British citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Double LOL, not worth getting infracted about though ! I posted something like that initially and then on reflection downgraded it to general "poke-the-idiot-with-a-stick" type stuff. not to stir anymore, but i just think that a man with a trade, money, and guaranteed job wouldnt be the worst addition to british soil. Especially if he is considered better value all round than a british citizen. Hardly a xenophobic view, especially as i live abroad myself, and have experience in dealing with labour markets at home and abroad. I just dont agree with some the regulations the current immigration service use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 'Tis unfortunately a view of the masses my friend, rightly or wrongly. "My mate down the pub says immigrants are freeloaders." "Oh yeah, what does your mate do ?" "He's got a bad wrist so he's been signed off for 4 years." "O RLY ?" Not sure it's so much the majority view as the "majority of people who like their baseless opinions to be heard in the pub", though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Maybe he doesn't want to become a UK citizen? Believe it or not, some people on the planet don't want British citizenship. Lol, i don't mind giving him mine, the way this country is going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Maybe he doesn't want to become a UK citizen? Believe it or not, some people on the planet don't want British citizenship. Hey, no-one it Britain even had it until 1992. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Didn't we have a promising youngster at one point ?? Peryplotikin ?? Supposed to be the next shevchenko ?? What happened to him ?? I know we couldn't get a permit And whatever happened to Adebayor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 "My mate down the pub says immigrants are freeloaders." "Oh yeah, what does your mate do ?" "He's got a bad wrist so he's been signed off for 4 years." "O RLY ?" Not sure it's so much the majority view as the "majority of people who like their baseless opinions to be heard in the pub", though. Problem is, there is ignorance both sides of the fence, the best way is to have a view of both sides, it helps when debating. I have views, against both arguements, but i am not digging up the old threads again , lets keep it football guv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 And whatever happened to Adebayor? Lol, Drogba ?? Or forlan ?? Oh i forgot, RL opted for an injured ecuadorian instead, for an extra 3 million. :smt107 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Maybe he doesn't want to become a UK citizen? Believe it or not, some people on the planet don't want British citizenship. But an awful lot of them want free NHS & Social Security Meanwhile, for arguments sake, I notice a couple of points 1) The OS hasn't made any mention that we are looking to sign Jaidi 2) The OS hasn't made any comments about the fact that he has applied for a work permit. Think this thread is just Post Traumatic lack of takeover thread Syndrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 but an awful lot of them want free nhs & social security meanwhile, for arguments sake, i notice a couple of points 1) the os hasn't made any mention that we are looking to sign jaidi 2) the os hasn't made any comments about the fact that he has applied for a work permit. Think this thread is just post traumatic lack of takeover thread syndrome f5 f5 f5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Just a thought and sorry but I don't have the time to look through all the posts but why has there been nothing on the OS about him and the work permit or even that he was even offered a contract etc. It may well be that they plan to appeal an then place a report. Just seems odd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 I don't agree it's about money WHY did the Work Permit issue NOT come to light, until well into the negotiations ???? ..... is that not one of the FIRST questions you ask if you want to sign a FOREIGN Player ??? .... or is that too simple ??? The whole scenario is a load of Cobblers ......... My original comment was tongue in cheek I can assure you. But your point about why was the question of a work permit was not addressed at the initial stages of negotiations is a very good one. Who knows, perhaps it was and it was percieved that there wouldn't be a problem. If, on the other hand, this problem has only just come to light - you would have to question the negotiation & agreement process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 not to stir anymore, but i just think that a man with a trade, money, and guaranteed job wouldnt be the worst addition to british soil. Especially if he is considered better value all round than a british citizen. Hardly a xenophobic view, especially as i live abroad myself, and have experience in dealing with labour markets at home and abroad. I just dont agree with some the regulations the current immigration service use Not xenopohobic, no, but "more use than all the freeloading immigrants" and "he'd be a useful addition to British soil" are not exactly the same viewpoint, and I had to go back and see that the post above was from the same person who made the initial one, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Hah. Just seen the above post would you Adam and eve it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Problem is, there is ignorance both sides of the fence, the best way is to have a view of both sides, it helps when debating. I have views, against both arguements, but i am not digging up the old threads again , lets keep it football guv Agreed. Or takeovers, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 MM................I'm really struggling to see where you claim to be a fan. FFS, you are continually moaning, just be grateful that you have a team to support. Look around you pal......clubs are in trouble all over the place, and you keep coming on here, and having your little grizzle. Wake up, smell the roses, greet the new dawn at St Mary's with a smile. Ginge - Everyone has got their right to whinge or moan just as everyone has got the right to see everything with rose-coloured glasses. I think sometimes the moaners moan more when the rose glasses brigade get too happy clappy and vice versa. It's called human nature. I am a bit of a moaner (you'd never have guessed) but when I am with my Dad I turn into a big happy clappy because he is the moaner from hell. That's football supporters I guess and that's Saints. Being positive doesn't make you more of a fan if just that you and MM have different ways of approaching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKimish Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Anyone else remember any players to be denied moves to Saints that have turned out to be quality players? We've missed out on Adeabayor - http://archive.dailyecho.co.uk/2003/8/5/45809.html Any others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 F*ck off you xenophobic tw*t. Nice typical display of Liberal tolerance for free speech.....No surprise there then. I find this thread amusing in a way......The English game is now over run with foreigners and dying on its feet, with little room for English players to develop in their own leagues. Yet here is a load of peeps crucifying the FL for having at least having 'some' rules in place to give English players a little protection in the lower leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Ginge - Everyone has got their right to whinge or moan just as everyone has got the right to see everything with rose-coloured glasses. I think sometimes the moaners moan more when the rose glasses brigade get too happy clappy and vice versa. It's called human nature. I am a bit of a moaner (you'd never have guessed) but when I am with my Dad I turn into a big happy clappy because he is the moaner from hell. That's football supporters I guess and that's Saints. Being positive doesn't make you more of a fan if just that you and MM have different ways of approaching it. Jeez your Dad wasn't THAT bloke who used to sit on the Bench seats under the west stand was he.?.... Now THAT was a moaner But nothing like the ex wife... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 forlan drogba apparantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Ginge - Everyone has got their right to whinge or moan just as everyone has got the right to see everything with rose-coloured glasses. I think sometimes the moaners moan more when the rose glasses brigade get too happy clappy and vice versa. It's called human nature. I am a bit of a moaner (you'd never have guessed) but when I am with my Dad I turn into a big happy clappy because he is the moaner from hell. That's football supporters I guess and that's Saints. Being positive doesn't make you more of a fan if just that you and MM have different ways of approaching it. I think that Ginge is saying that considering the hell we have been through over the last few years, it would be nice if people gave the new regime a chance and some slack and if they could look at things with a more positive viewpoint. Call it rose tinted if you must but to me it's just healthier and would make a nice change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 I think that Ginge is saying that considering the hell we have been through over the last few years, it would be nice if people gave the new regime a chance and some slack and if they could look at things with a more positive viewpoint. Call it rose tinted if you must but to me it's just healthier and would make a nice change. I'm generally of the view that most issues aren't as black and white as the pigeon-holers want them to be. Especially on the Lowe Luvvie, happy clappy, rose-tinted blah blah front. It's just lazy stereotyping in the main... ...all thicky stuff, like from those racists. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Bloody foreigners, coming over here and saving our club. (no.2 in a series) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 MM................I'm really struggling to see where you claim to be a fan. FFS, you are continually moaning, just be grateful that you have a team to support. Look around you pal......clubs are in trouble all over the place, and you keep coming on here, and having your little grizzle. Wake up, smell the roses, greet the new dawn at St Mary's with a smile. Everytime somebody says something you don't like or has a different opinion you play the 'just be thankful that you have a club to support' card.......this is the extent of you argument and it is wearing a bit thin. How long are we supposed to be grateful? There were many fans who 'went Wilde for mike' (not me),he was the new saviour to some and they rolled out the same tripe as you are,and what happened?....nothing apart from more fook ups and disaster. I am glad I have a club to support,but let's not kid ourselves,ML is not doing it for nothing,there is always a price to pay........I don't know what that is yet but in time we will all know. I am right behind the new regime but I will continue to question the lack of activity in the transfer Market that is leaving us dangerously short of quality to compete.I don't want to see another season of struggle and heartache but if pardew is struggling to attract any players then that's what it will be. Closing your eyes and shouting 'be grateful' will just hold us back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy_Saint Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 In that article it said that he hadn't bothered to apply for a work permit as he didnt believe it would pass not that it had been refused. If he does apply for one then he might still be accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Closing your eyes and shouting 'be grateful' will just hold us back. Publicising that we're glad to have a club and should appreciate it for a bit isn't going to affect things one way or another. I think Markus Liebherr, as a shrewd businessman will want to see what we've got before any remedial work takes place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Anyone else remember any players to be denied moves to Saints that have turned out to be quality players? We've missed out on Adeabayor - http://archive.dailyecho.co.uk/2003/8/5/45809.html Any others? This fella Lowe was quite an impressive talent spotter. Perhaps we should bring him back .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 This fella Lowe was quite an impressive talent spotter. Perhaps we should bring him back .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Bloody foreigners, coming over here and saving our club.(no.2 in a series) I think you'll find that he has invested over here, he has not actually come over here ! (pedantic yes, but true all the same!). Ps. I do realise you were being sarcastic !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 I think you'll find that he has invested over here, he has not actually come over here ! (pedantic yes, but true all the same!). Ps. I do realise you were being sarcastic !!! I bet you any money you like he did come over here at one point at least. I rule on pedantry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 In that article it said that he hadn't bothered to apply for a work permit as he didnt believe it would pass not that it had been refused. If he does apply for one then he might still be accepted. This is a point everyone else has missed and also makes me wonder about how keen the player is to come here anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 This is a point everyone else has missed and also makes me wonder about how keen the player is to come here anyway. The one article suggests it's the club who doesn't want to apply for a permit which confuses me no end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 WTF!!!! this just doesn't make sense. if he didnt think he would get a work permit then he wouldn't have bothered with the medical, contract negotiations and all. There is no harm in at least applying for the permit. simply doesn't make sense and thus i don't believe the article has an ounce of truth if im totally honest. may just be optimistic thinking - and there may well be a delay in the signing due to the WP so we'll make do with perry and lancashire on saturday at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 In that article it said that he hadn't bothered to apply for a work permit as he didnt believe it would pass not that it had been refused. If he does apply for one then he might still be accepted. Jaidi is a professional footballer .... I cannot believe that he, and his agent, did not bother to check out the work permit situation ..... Thick as some footballers are .... SURELY he must have realised that if he had no permit, then he would be "out of work" Absolutely STUPID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 WTF!!!! this just doesn't make sense. if he didnt think he would get a work permit then he wouldn't have bothered with the medical, contract negotiations and all. There is no harm in at least applying for the permit. simply doesn't make sense and thus i don't believe the article has an ounce of truth if im totally honest. may just be optimistic thinking - and there may well be a delay in the signing due to the WP so we'll make do with perry and lancashire on saturday at least. It could be that when they got all of the documentary evidence together, it was apparent that all of the criteria would not be met to get a work permit and instead of applying and awaiting to be turned down, they are looking into going straight to the 'Panel' stage? This would presumably be quicker in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eharty9 Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 i thought schneiderlin was supposed to be able to play center half ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 It always seems that the big clubs can get work permits sorted but we can't. Remember the Mido fiasco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 i thought schneiderlin was supposed to be able to play center half ? According to JP he could play there. - but in reality he can't. To play CB you need to be able to put in a challenge and head the ball, and no disrespect to Morgan....but he's not very good at that side of the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Odd how he couldn't get a work permit. Would it not be worth appealing? Bugger! How the hell can someone who has been playing in England for the last 5 (?) years get refussed a f****** work permit! Thats b*******! S*** rules, majorly p***** off on that one! The wording on the OS says he hadn't applied for one has he didn't believe he'd get one. How on earth would he know until he asked and, simple thought, how has he been able to play for these last few seasons? Surely he's had one? I think it's a ruse and he'll sign for a better contract elsewhere within days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PixieHead Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Is this a potential back-up plan to Jaidi? (Or maybe just a straight forward signing based upon his own merits, obviously) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/norwich/8187442.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 The wording on the OS says he hadn't applied for one has he didn't believe he'd get one. How on earth would he know until he asked and, simple thought, how has he been able to play for these last few seasons? Surely he's had one? I think it's a ruse and he'll sign for a better contract elsewhere within days! Sorry, what wording? Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Sorry, what wording? Link? Beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Beat me to it. I think ESB has probably got the OS and Local BBC News confused there to be honest. There is nothing on the OS that I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 Everytime somebody says something you don't like or has a different opinion you play the 'just be thankful that you have a club to support' card.......this is the extent of you argument and it is wearing a bit thin. How long are we supposed to be grateful? Longer than 3 weeks........I'm saying, that within a 5 year plan, coming on here whining every 2 minutes, 3 weeks in, sucks in my opinion. I saying, give the new boys a chance. There were many fans who 'went Wilde for mike' (not me),he was the new saviour to some and they rolled out the same tripe as you are,and what happened?....nothing apart from more fook ups and disaster. I am glad I have a club to support,but let's not kid ourselves,ML is not doing it for nothing,there is always a price to pay........I don't know what that is yet but in time we will all know. I am right behind the new regime but I will continue to question the lack of activity in the transfer Market that is leaving us dangerously short of quality to compete.I don't want to see another season of struggle and heartache but if pardew is struggling to attract any players then that's what it will be. Closing your eyes and shouting 'be grateful' will just hold us back. I have no beef with you over this.........but it is wearing a bit thin, when every post has the same names, moaning that things arn't happening as fast as they would like. They will happen, at a speed that is complient with what the board/manager wants........so give them a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 6 August, 2009 Share Posted 6 August, 2009 This seems like a load of cack to me. Jaidi didn't think he needed a Work Permit because he doesn't! He has been here over 5 years and can apply for settlement. At the moment, you must have been in the United Kingdom for a continuous time of five years in an eligible immigration category before you can apply for settlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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