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Crouchie's Lawyer

Crouchie's Lawyer

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I'm not baiting you, CL. I sincerely believe you're being (at best) paranoid.

 

And I sincerely think you are a tool, but I didnt call you an 'idiot' for having a view different to mine did I?

 

I maybe being paranoid, but given the sheet we have had to put up with under the previous regime, I think I can be excused for it.

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Micky

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Lol at you lot (again)

 

Every damned National Paper has been running this "immigration is out of control" stuff for ages, making it much harder for people from outside the EU to stay in the country even IF they have vaild reasons to be there in terms of work or marriage.

 

The same "public opinion" cheers the spin from the Government when they announce they are tightening the rules (causing problems for MANY genuine immigrants) and then

 

Whoosh - didn't see that one coming

 

relax, he will get in on appeal, he is an experienced International Captain being brought into the club to help with the footballing development of our Academy kids by bringing leadership skills and reliability. He'll walk the appeal process.

 

Having him for Saturday is irrelevant, it's our first game of a new season AND it's on Sky, we all know what the result will be in reality, we were just hoping.

 

You've entirely missed the point Phil - this is not about a work permit - it's because he wants more money...! ;)

 

....and in your own works: Whoosh - didn't see that one coming... did ya..?

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Starting to think that is the case yeah' date=' but lying to the fans this early on is not good, especially if he signs for another club next week! We have had enough of false promises and smoke screens in the past. I was hoping the new regime would atleast give us honesty so I will not be happy if this is a covering story.[/quote']

 

Oh please ..... if he wanted too much money the club simply would not sign him and would come out and say that.

 

Why does the club have to be lying to fans every time a signing does not work out or come off how we might like it to?

 

Lets face it, its probably very easy for someone to check out whether it is a work permit issue or not and it ties in with the delay as well.

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And I sincerely think you are a tool, but I didnt call you an 'idiot' for having a view different to mine did I?

 

I maybe being paranoid, but given the sheet we have had to put up with under the previous regime, I think I can be excused for it.

Using your logic... I didn't call you an idiot, I suggested you would be one if you believed that conspiracy theory - which you claim you don't. Ergo, not an idiot.

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And I sincerely think you are a tool, but I didnt call you an 'idiot' for having a view different to mine did I?

 

I maybe being paranoid, but given the sheet we have had to put up with under the previous regime, I think I can be excused for it.

 

No, not really you can't. If that were an excuse for being paranoid then all Saints fans would be so, as we have all suffered exactly the same emotions as you, but paranoid - clearly we are all not.

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Oh please ..... if he wanted too much money the club simply would not sign him and would come out and say that.

 

Why does the club have to be lying to fans every time a signing does not work out or come off how we might like it to?

 

Lets face it, its probably very easy for someone to check out whether it is a work permit issue or not and it ties in with the delay as well.

 

Exactly. We didn't say "Stern John didn't sign because he couldn't get a work permit" We offered him a deal and he didn't accept.

 

This situation is completely different :rolleyes:

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SFKA South Woodford

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The Club have said diddly-squat about this transfer and you may not be used to a professional set up (because we've never had one before) but they do not/will not announce a signing until pen has been put to paper. Murty being a case in point!

 

Ok, but the question that then has to be asked is, 'why does it take so long for the new regime to sign a player?' Harding signed 24 hours after Pardew took over, why then did it take four weeks to sign Murty, and why did it take two weeks to offer Stern a new contract?

 

If Pardew cannot get the players he wants from the list of out of contract players, why doesn't he pick up he phone and offer another team a fee for one of theirs that he does want? The other teams in this league have been signing players on both free's and fee's, so it cannot be that there aren't any available or that wont come to Saints, we are after all one of the biggest fish in this pond.

 

If as has been suggested, Whitbread is the best defender in this division, we should be approaching him and offering him the wages he is after. Should we do the same for five or so of the best in this division in other positions, then they would more than likely see their dreams of playing at higher level, achieved at the end of this season.

 

If the club show ambition, it will not only attract players but the fans as well, so the outlay or at least a significant proportion of it could be recouped.

 

The old regime was always beaten with the 'Speculate to Accumulate' stick, so where is it now, when there is such a good opportunity to achieve with only a modest outlay?

 

We want the best for our club, which doesn't mean hanging around in this division. We need to get out of it at the earliest possible opportunity, or knowing our fans, there will be people on this board saying things like 'Saints are at their level, we have no right to expect more' or 'we can't expect to be a Championship club, our fanbase can't support it'

 

The board need to act now, before apathy and annonimity start to take their toll!

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It was mentioned that AP had other targets lined up in case Jaidi didnt sign. So hopefully we can get one of those in before Sat. But I still want us to appeal and get Jaidi as well!

 

AP has said that Lancashire isnt ready for first team football yet which leaves us with 2 centre backs, one of which is a sick note. Hardly takes a genius to work out we need 2 new CB's!

 

My thoughts exactly.

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Why would they? That I cannot answer definitively' date='[b'] but possibly because feel of fans getting annoyed that he has money but is not willing to spend it on something which is and has been glaringly required over the last few seasons.[/b]

 

CL.......You are taking flak, and rightly so. Like the above statement...only afew on here (mainly kids IMO) are having a pop at the new regime. So please clarify how you have now taken on the mantle of being the fans spokesperson??

 

 

I completely agree that the club should be run as a business, otherwise we will end up like that smelly lot down the road. But Im sure many fans would say you get what you pay for and would be disappointed with us for not atleast meeting him halfway on his demands to secure the defender we require.

 

The easy option would be to blame it on something which is out of our control, like a work permit issue.

 

I dunno, it may just be the cynic in me, but on the face of it, he should have walked through the WP application as shown above so something doesnt seem right. Again, if they do not appeal it, it doesnt look right either.

 

CL....I'd quit if I were you, you have soooooooooo lost this debate.

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I'm hoping the lack of a story on the OS about this means that we're appealing.

 

Jaidi seems to have more of a case for a work permit than Stern John to Palace and that certainly wasn't held up!

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Whilst the kiddies have been having hissy fits on here about conspiracies bigger than JFK - has anyone bothered to look and the transfers of EX-international players from OUTSIDE the EU into the THIRD tier of English Football? I cant find one, so if we did appeal we would be setting the precedent.

 

If someone can find one, then please post it.

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Whilst the kiddies have been having hissy fits on here about conspiracies bigger than JFK - has anyone bothered to look and the transfers of EX-international players from OUTSIDE the EU into the THIRD tier of English Football? I cant find one, so if we did appeal we would be setting the precedent.

 

If someone can find one, then please post it.

 

He's not retired from international football yet

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Ok, but the question that then has to be asked is, 'why does it take so long for the new regime to sign a player?' Harding signed 24 hours after Pardew took over, why then did it take four weeks to sign Murty, and why did it take two weeks to offer Stern a new contract?

 

If Pardew cannot get the players he wants from the list of out of contract players, why doesn't he pick up he phone and offer another team a fee for one of theirs that he does want? The other teams in this league have been signing players on both free's and fee's, so it cannot be that there aren't any available or that wont come to Saints, we are after all one of the biggest fish in this pond.

 

If as has been suggested, Whitbread is the best defender in this division, we should be approaching him and offering him the wages he is after. Should we do the same for five or so of the best in this division in other positions, then they would more than likely see their dreams of playing at higher level, achieved at the end of this season.

 

If the club show ambition, it will not only attract players but the fans as well, so the outlay or at least a significant proportion of it could be recouped.

 

The old regime was always beaten with the 'Speculate to Accumulate' stick, so where is it now, when there is such a good opportunity to achieve with only a modest outlay?

 

We want the best for our club, which doesn't mean hanging around in this division. We need to get out of it at the earliest possible opportunity, or knowing our fans, there will be people on this board saying things like 'Saints are at their level, we have no right to expect more' or 'we can't expect to be a Championship club, our fanbase can't support it'

 

The board need to act now, before apathy and annonimity start to take their toll!

 

This is is hardly a ringing endorsement of the new regime is it? An inability to complete signings, leaving a very weak looking squad/team to kick off against arguably the best team in the division in 48 hours....oh and on -10.

 

I really am struggling to understand the masterplan here. We have a very, very wealthy owner, great infra structure, but as AP keeps saying a less than great team. Surely it's pretty obvious what is required , and extremely succinctly put by SFKA above.

 

I just hope AP pulls a couiple of rabbits out of the hat before 12 tomorrow!

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This is is hardly a ringing endorsement of the new regime is it? An inability to complete signings, leaving a very weak looking squad/team to kick off against arguably the best team in the division in 48 hours....oh and on -10.

 

I really am struggling to understand the masterplan here. We have a very, very wealthy owner, great infra structure, but as AP keeps saying a less than great team. Surely it's pretty obvious what is required , and extremely succinctly put by SFKA above.

 

I just hope AP pulls a couiple of rabbits out of the hat before 12 tomorrow!

 

MM................I'm really struggling to see where you claim to be a fan. FFS, you are continually moaning, just be grateful that you have a team to support. Look around you pal......clubs are in trouble all over the place, and you keep coming on here, and having your little grizzle. Wake up, smell the roses, greet the new dawn at St Mary's with a smile.

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Originally Posted by modern matron

This is is hardly a ringing endorsement of the new regime is it? An inability to complete signings, leaving a very weak looking squad/team to kick off against arguably the best team in the division in 48 hours....oh and on -10.

 

I really am struggling to understand the masterplan here. We have a very, very wealthy owner, great infra structure, but as AP keeps saying a less than great team. Surely it's pretty obvious what is required , and extremely succinctly put by SFKA above.

 

I just hope AP pulls a couiple of rabbits out of the hat before 12 tomorrow!

 

 

MM................I'm really struggling to see where you claim to be a fan. FFS, you are continually moaning, just be grateful that you have a team to support. Look around you pal......clubs are in trouble all over the place, and you keep coming on here, and having your little grizzle. Wake up, smell the roses, greet the new dawn at St Mary's with a smile.

 

 

I'm a Fan, Season Ticket Holder for well over 30 years .....and I am in agreement with modern matron ........

 

As he said, we Tick ALL the right boxes ..... but have NOT "Paid" for a player yet, and, as many many Fans will tell you, we are ALMOST AS WEAK AS LAST SEASON

 

We needed TWO New Faces for the Millwall match, and now, being REALISTIC ( which you still can be although a Saints Fan ), I think we will lose on Saturday

 

" Wake up, smell the roses, greet the new dawn at St Mary's with a smile "

 

I've done all that ........ now, where's a Team that can punch it's weight in Div 1 ???

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There's no reason why the club can't conclude a deal with Jaidi before going to appeal. That's the usual way of doing things - a 'subject to work permit' agreement.

 

If the club doesn't do this, it suggests AP has other players in mind and doesn't want to deal with the potential hold-ups associated with an appeal. If so, this is more of an example of the club trying to move things on quickly than being chronically slow.

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I would imagine they already have concluded the deal that way verbal, just a shame that it has fallen through.

 

I would very much like to think the appeal would go through, and really hope it does. Just a bit worried about the wording.

 

'The player will improve the national leagues' or something like that, i can't remember exactly, but a player of his age, will defo improve this league, but not the overall national game.

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VectisSaint

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Then there will not be an issue then if this is the case as it would have been a genuine reason if from one of these sources because they would not be privvy to the contract conversations.

 

All im saying is that if it transpires that the club are saving face by saying it was a WP issue rather than the (possible) real reason which could be money, I will not be impressed.

So you don't think the player or the players agent are privvy to contract negotiations :rolleyes:

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modern matron

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MM................I'm really struggling to see where you claim to be a fan. FFS, you are continually moaning, just be grateful that you have a team to support. Look around you pal......clubs are in trouble all over the place, and you keep coming on here, and having your little grizzle. Wake up, smell the roses, greet the new dawn at St Mary's with a smile.

 

Please don't start this nonsense just because I have a different view to your own. Look I've been a season ticket holder for nearly 40 years and have been coming with my father and two sons for as long as I can remember so please don't start questioning my credentials as a fan.

 

Frankly I have no idea what is going to happen this season and neither do you. The only facts are that we have a weak side and have failed to strengthen it properly. Neither of us no what ML has in mind as he has said virtually nothing - as is his right as the owner. That's what bothers me.

 

So please less of the insults everyone has an opinion. I presume you don't agree with everything that's happening do you? It seems that some folks share some of my concerns, some dont - that's it really.

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F*ck off you xenophobic tw*t.

 

Double LOL, not worth getting infracted about though ! I posted something like that initially and then on reflection downgraded it to general "poke-the-idiot-with-a-stick" type stuff.

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Micky

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I'm a Fan, Season Ticket Holder for well over 30 years .....and I am in agreement with modern matron ........

 

As he said, we Tick ALL the right boxes ..... but have NOT "Paid" for a player yet, and, as many many Fans will tell you, we are ALMOST AS WEAK AS LAST SEASON

 

We needed TWO New Faces for the Millwall match, and now, being REALISTIC ( which you still can be although a Saints Fan ), I think we will lose on Saturday

 

" Wake up, smell the roses, greet the new dawn at St Mary's with a smile "

 

I've done all that ........ now, where's a Team that can punch it's weight in Div 1 ???

 

With all due respect, go back 1 month, we were hovering on the edge of a precipice, could have been bought by LLS, endured the Pinnacle debacle and finally survived courtesy of Mr Liebherr. So I think that most have woken up and taken a good long sniff of that debt free air - and are probably quite happy with thier lot right now.

 

Evidently our new owner is not short of personal funds, but that does not mean that he does not expect to run the club with prudency. From what I understand he currenly runs at least 5 large successful business ventures. The sooner we all understand that SFC is no different to his other businesses the easier it will be to throw off the 'sugar daddie' syndrome.

 

Last month he invested about £14M into our club - lets give him a few months to 'flash the cash' again eh?

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Originally Posted by modern matron

This is is hardly a ringing endorsement of the new regime is it? An inability to complete signings, leaving a very weak looking squad/team to kick off against arguably the best team in the division in 48 hours....oh and on -10.

 

I really am struggling to understand the masterplan here. We have a very, very wealthy owner, great infra structure, but as AP keeps saying a less than great team. Surely it's pretty obvious what is required , and extremely succinctly put by SFKA above.

 

I just hope AP pulls a couiple of rabbits out of the hat before 12 tomorrow!

 

 

 

 

 

I'm a Fan, Season Ticket Holder for well over 30 years .....and I am in agreement with modern matron ........

 

As he said, we Tick ALL the right boxes ..... but have NOT "Paid" for a player yet, and, as many many Fans will tell you, we are ALMOST AS WEAK AS LAST SEASON

 

We needed TWO New Faces for the Millwall match, and now, being REALISTIC ( which you still can be although a Saints Fan ), I think we will lose on Saturday

 

" Wake up, smell the roses, greet the new dawn at St Mary's with a smile "

 

I've done all that ........ now, where's a Team that can punch it's weight in Div 1 ???

 

 

We may be ALMOST AS WEEK AS LAST SEASON. However we are ONE LEAGUE LOWER THAN LAST SEASON.. Remember?

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He did, and it took a little while to sort it, but we were in the Prem then. I'm not sure we fulfill the criteria of "at the highest level" anymore.

Read the criteria again. "Highest level" includes the Football League (thats us), and even more bizarely the Irish premier league (in Northern Ireland). I suspec that is not the reason for refusing the permit. I suspect it is more likely to do with his age, and the criteria of contributing to football development in this country. In any case whatever the reason I am 99.9% sure that an appeal would be successful, they almost always are. The only one I recall failing was the kiddy at Watford last year I think which was seen by everyone to have been one of the most heartless decisions ever made.

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