Why no student concessions?

[JamiSaint]

It's a false economy. Think about it. I could afford to be a s/t holder when a teenager, but when I became a student (in the pre-Wilde days) there was no student ticket pricing, so I was supposed to be able to make a jump of several hundred pounds. Guess what? I couldn't afford it, and although I've been back to St Mary's a number of times since I haven't bought a season ticket, and the club has lost a lot of income.

 

Surely the sensible debate is about supporting your customers as they move along the income threshold, to enable them to continue to be season ticket holders.

 

It's a silly move by the club, short-sighted and will lose them income. This shouldn't be a debate about how bad students are, but an economic one.

[Flyer]

Most students in Southampton arent Southampton fans, they come from other places, it makes sense to let young people who are Saints fans in at a reduced rates.

 

Yes some students over 21 who are saints fans will be affected but many, many more people u21 who are not students will benefit from this.

[bigtonesfc]

Why is there no working mans concession?Ihave to get up at half 5 every day,do 10 hours work each day so that when i buy my season ticket at full price i know that some **** laid up in bed somewhere is wondering why i wont pay for his ticket!!

[Smirking_Saint]

Sigh, some people are so f*cking ignorant

[Torres]

Let's be clear.

 

What you are talking about is not giving a student discount. You are talking about giving a mature student discount.

 

The proportion of mature students at Southampton Uni is circa 20% of which, say, a generous 5% are likely to go to football (in term time, when they can afford it, when they haven't got a hangover). Southampton Uni is 20K-ish, so that's 200 mature students who might miss out on a discount.

 

Difficult to justify really. Especially when it could cost the club more by those who legitimately, but immorally in my view, use a student discount when gaining an ID through a night course, work funded sandwich course, accountancy exams etc.

 

Indeed.

 

How many students *****ing on this thread don't qualify as a Young Adult anyway?

[NickG]

don't students get enough already?

[Dan83]

The average student has a 20hr per week part-time job earning on average 9 pound an hour. I'm sure that they could afford a ticket if they really wanted to.

 

This is absolute b*****t. Maybe they said 'up to 20hrs per week and earning £9 an hour'! I worked 18hrs a week when I was ant uni and earned £5.50 an hour (and that was only a couple of years ago). It really does wind me up this stereotypical view that students are spongers - grants were a thing of the past for the vast majority!

 

As for postgrad students (and therefore over 21) it is actually them that probably need the most help - no financial support (loans) from government, so have to scrape by. So bring back student tickets!

 

PS - Interesting how this thread has evolved into a debate about student cost of living (with most having not experienced it!)

[bigtonesfc]

Sigh, some people are so f*cking ignorant

 

Obviously some of us havent had the benefit of our education system,and had to work instead!

[Ponty]

Some of us did both.

[Bensfcno1]

I have emailed Mr Luker with a link to this thread, he emailed back saying comments have been noted. I dont think it will change anything but hey!

To those who can only comment by picking up on my spelling, That is what spell chacks are for, plus I also prove read my work several times before I hand it in, therefore do not make the silly mistakes I made in my post on here (which is irrelevant aslong as you can understand what I am saying)

[richie]

the majority of students are aged 18-21 I would have thought.

 

get over it. You get sh1t loads of stuff discounted so stop ****ing moaning. And yes I did go to university and I paid full price for saints tickets when we were in the prem.

[Mr X]

The whole point of my initial thread was to adress the question in-hand, it seems some people are incapable of that and result to having a cheap stab at students (not to say that they cant take a joke),

 

Sure I agree some students do give the majority a bad name having a sole intent just to get wasted every night but most of them are foccused on improving their education and careers, what people seem to forget is that most of these students will leave 12 to £20,000 in debt and its a huge step to take that financial commitment. I just found it slightly unfair that being a student over 21 I am descriminated against but the majority on here dont seem to share that view so I have to respect that.

[Ponty]

I have emailed Mr Luker with a link to this thread, he emailed back saying comments have been noted. I dont think it will change anything but hey!

To those who can only comment by picking up on my spelling, That is what spell chacks are for, plus I also prove read my work several times before I hand it in, therefore do not make the silly mistakes I made in my post on here (which is irrelevant aslong as you can understand what I am saying)

 

I'm not criticising, but man is that ironic!

[Mr X]

I'm not criticising, but man is that ironic!

 

i think he did that with intent though

[Ponty]

Hmmm...

[jam]

I have emailed Mr Luker with a link to this thread, he emailed back saying comments have been noted. I dont think it will change anything but hey!

To those who can only comment by picking up on my spelling, That is what spell chacks are for, plus I also prove read my work several times before I hand it in, therefore do not make the silly mistakes I made in my post on here (which is irrelevant aslong as you can understand what I am saying)

 

So basically you can't be bothered to put any effort in to the comments that you post but still expect people to respect them?

[Bensfcno1]

So basically you can't be bothered to put any effort in to the comments that you post but still expect people to respect them?

 

Not really what I am saying is it, it dosnt matter if there is one or a couple of miss types or 'lazzy' mistakes. I am not having ago at any member of this forum, why do people like you have to have a negative comment about another posters comments, when it has nothing to do with the topic in question. It ma have been in jest, if so I took it that way, but also explained my mistakes, its not an esaay after all! It dosnt make my opinion any less or more important if it is written with perfect spelling and correct punctuation.

[Smirking_Saint]

Obviously some of us havent had the benefit of our education system,and had to work instead!

 

I do both, without the education system, i would not get to where i want to be.

 

On an unrelated yet still slightly related note, why do people get so uppity on web forums about ****ing spelling and grammar ??

 

Here's one for the spelling police, knock yourself out

[Marky-G]

Why is there no working mans concession?Ihave to get up at half 5 every day,do 10 hours work each day so that when i buy my season ticket at full price i know that some **** laid up in bed somewhere is wondering why i wont pay for his ticket!!

 

could not agree more bigtone,let the soap dogers get out of bed & earn some money themselves,that might be a novel idea for them though,& before the sticky mattress brigade get all upset,I have two sisters that had part time jobs to put themselves through university

[JohnnyFartPants]

I fully understand the explanation for stopping the concession. Most people chose their football club for life before they reach double figures, AND most students go to uni away from home. Its a no brainer. Not much will come back from it so why bother? Maybe we should have a student enclosure though with free soap and showers?

[Saint Paul C]

This is absolute b*****t. Maybe they said 'up to 20hrs per week and earning £9 an hour'! I worked 18hrs a week when I was ant uni and earned £5.50 an hour (and that was only a couple of years ago). It really does wind me up this stereotypical view that students are spongers - grants were a thing of the past for the vast majority!

 

As for postgrad students (and therefore over 21) it is actually them that probably need the most help - no financial support (loans) from government, so have to scrape by. So bring back student tickets!

 

PS - Interesting how this thread has evolved into a debate about student cost of living (with most having not experienced it!)

 

As I said before, not my made up factiods, just what I heard on the radio. BTW, if you went to university it's a pity they forgot to teach you english.

 

For the record, I was a self funded student in the early 90's (no parental support, minimal grant etc..) so don't bleat about how hard it is. Many of us have been there, read the book got the t-shirt and learnt proper English too.

[Mr X]

As I said before, not my made up factiods, just what I heard on the radio. BTW, if you went to university it's a pity they forgot to teach you english.

 

For the record, I was a self funded student in the early 90's (no parental support, minimal grant etc..) so don't bleat about how hard it is. Many of us have been there, read the book got the t-shirt and learnt proper English too.

 

In what way is it improper english? and who cares if someone isn't grammatically correct 100% of the time?

[HurleyBurley]

Students are lazy (Excludes medical and teachers), when I was a full time student I worked 30 hrs a week on average, blimey the courses hardly take up any time. There's two 15 week terms (with a couple of gaps!!!) so for about half the year you can work full time anyway. I also studied for a degree and postgrad part-time whilst working full-time. My advice is get off your backsides and work whilst you study

[dubai_phil]

Here's a more interesting angle that someone may be able to find out.

 

What percentage of students at Southampton UNI are from within 20 miles of the City?

 

from my recollection of student days, while the quality of education was a critical decision making factor in where to attend, the DESIRE to get as FAR away from home as POSSIBLE was also prevalent.

 

Perhaps a better system would be to offer subsidised Regional Coach services BACK to Saints games for the actual students who've gone off to Cardiff, Manchester, Oxford, Durham et al (and of course the other exiles could use the same service)

 

This thread is also symptomatic of "The British Disease" where it seems that every "grouping" demands something for nothing.... what next concessions for those who lost overtime income due to Swine Flu?

 

I was a Saints supporting student, my middle son was a Saints supporting student. We were always broke, YET we found a way to PLAN our lives and our expenditure in order to get to SOME matches over the course of a season. The damned match ticket was probably the CHEAPEST part of the whole trip

[Torbay Saint]

As I said before, not my made up factiods, just what I heard on the radio. BTW, if you went to university it's a pity they forgot to teach you english.

 

For the record, I was a self funded student in the early 90's (no parental support, minimal grant etc..) so don't bleat about how hard it is. Many of us have been there, read the book got the t-shirt and learnt proper English too.

 

Minimum grant, but a grant none the less! I think times have changes with tuition fees and loans as opposed to grants.

[jam]

In what way is it improper english? and who cares if someone isn't grammatically correct 100% of the time?

 

Saint Paul C didn't say that Dan83 used improper English, he was referring to the fact that he'd already explained where the information he'd posted came from and Dan83 seemed to completely miss it.

[Mr X]

Saint Paul C didn't say that Dan83 used improper English, he was referring to the fact that he'd already explained where the information he'd posted came from and Dan83 seemed to completely miss it.

 

ahh I get ya. Doesn't read that way though

[Saint Paul C]

Minimum grant, but a grant none the less! I think times have changes with tuition fees and loans as opposed to grants.

 

An 1800 quid grant to live on a year and 175 a month rent doesn't leave much room for manoeuvre.

 

Student fees are not payable until after graduation.

[Gingeletiss]

You poor boys and girls........not much money given to you by the state...Diddums!!!!

 

 

Pray tell then, why it is, that you all seem to be able to go out on the town most nights. I work near a large halls of residence, and it is a very busy place indeed in the small hours. Use the time better, get a job, buy a ticket................simple IMO.

[Smirking_Saint]

You poor boys and girls........not much money given to you by the state...Diddums!!!!

 

 

Pray tell then, why it is, that you all seem to be able to go out on the town most nights. I work near a large halls of residence, and it is a very busy place indeed in the small hours. Use the time better, get a job, buy a ticket................simple IMO.

 

I've always thought you were a bit of a bell-end.

 

Anyways,

 

I can understand about all the ****s that go and whittle their money away on stupid studies such as film studies and sports science and all that ******** but at the end of the day most of those waster's are under the young adult age budget.

 

My arguement and i believe Mr X's is when people decide to push themselves further then they will go into further education to achieve this. Without these sorts of people the countries infrastructure would crumble. Engineers, doctors, lawyers, accountants and even many managers would never ever get anywhere near the jobs if they had not gone on a tried hard at further education.

 

I would have been very happy on the wage i was on before i started what i was doing now, but it made sense in the long run, in the short term however i took an 8 grand pay cut and have very little spare time as i do a full 37.5 hour week (and the rest) and then do my C/W alongside my on job training and learning exercises from work.

 

Think people should stop and understand the points being made before shouting out like immature and i would imagine uneducated fools they make themselves out to be.

[Torres]

 

I would have been very happy on the wage i was on before i started what i was doing now, but it made sense in the long run, in the short term however i took an 8 grand pay cut and have very little spare time as i do a full 37.5 hour week (and the rest) and then do my C/W alongside my on job training and learning exercises from work.

 

Think people should stop and understand the points being made before shouting out like immature and i would imagine uneducated fools they make themselves out to be.

 

You made the decision to jack in your well paid job in the hope of getting a better paid job in the future - for your benefit. In return for that you have to make some sacrifices - and if not being able to afford the football is one of them, so be it.

[Smirking_Saint]

You made the decision to jack in your well paid job in the hope of getting a better paid job in the future - for your benefit. In return for that you have to make some sacrifices - and if not being able to afford the football is one of them, so be it.

 

Exactly, and i made alot of sacrifices, my arguement now is no longer about the ticket prices, as much as i feel this will stimulate more revenue for the club, and in the long term may help to keep those that were 'looked after' if you catch my drift.

 

My arguement is being labelled a stay in bed waster when i work f*cking hard at what i do. There are arguements both ways however, as those that just stay happy in a job could be said as being unambitious and stagnant. With no wish to push themselves further and help both the UK and their employers, in the long run.

 

Don't get me wrong, i am no martyr, you are right, i am doing this for my own reasons and because yes, the rewards will be substantial.

 

Just don't tar everyone with the same brush.

[Mr X]

Exactly, and i made alot of sacrifices, my arguement now is no longer about the ticket prices, as much as i feel this will stimulate more revenue for the club, and in the long term may help to keep those that were 'looked after' if you catch my drift.

 

My arguement is being labelled a stay in bed waster when i work f*cking hard at what i do. There are arguements both ways however, as those that just stay happy in a job could be said as being unambitious and stagnant. With no wish to push themselves further and help both the UK and their employers, in the long run.

 

Don't get me wrong, i am no martyr, you are right, i am doing this for my own reasons and because yes, the rewards will be substantial.

 

Just don't tar everyone with the same brush.

 

Little point in reasoned debate with people who want to turn everything to their own view point best leave it be

[Torres]

Just don't tar everyone with the same brush.

 

I don't think I've called any student a "stay in bed waster", to be fair. Indeed, it would be rather hypocritical of me to do so...

[Smirking_Saint]

I don't think I've called any student a "stay in bed waster", to be fair. Indeed, it would be rather hypocritical of me to do so...

 

well, i do get the odd study leave :cool:

[OldNick]

Could somebody please e-mail Mr Luker and ask for concessions for men in their late 40's who have just paid for 1 daughters wedding and helping the other ones living expenses in London.At the same time as a major downturn in business.

[Torres]

Could somebody please e-mail Mr Luker and ask for concessions for men in their late 40's who have just paid for 1 daughters wedding and helping the other ones living expenses in London.At the same time as a major downturn in business.

 

 

Rule One.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I am the average SaintsWeb poster: I've been to Uni but have an extemely short and selective memory and now think it is OK to have a pop at students for doing the same things that I did 'back in the day'.

 

Yours

 

TLS (Ex-student, now full time employed and not the slightest bit bitter or upset that students want discounted tickets.)

[Gingeletiss]

I've always thought you were a bit of a bell-end.

 

Anyways,

 

I can understand about all the ****s that go and whittle their money away on stupid studies such as film studies and sports science and all that ******** but at the end of the day most of those waster's are under the young adult age budget.

 

My arguement and i believe Mr X's is when people decide to push themselves further then they will go into further education to achieve this. Without these sorts of people the countries infrastructure would crumble. Engineers, doctors, lawyers, accountants and even many managers would never ever get anywhere near the jobs if they had not gone on a tried hard at further education.

 

I would have been very happy on the wage i was on before i started what i was doing now, but it made sense in the long run, in the short term however i took an 8 grand pay cut and have very little spare time as i do a full 37.5 hour week (and the rest) and then do my C/W alongside my on job training and learning exercises from work.

 

Think people should stop and understand the points being made before shouting out like immature and i would imagine uneducated fools they make themselves out to be.

 

Listen knob head...........when I said get a job, I was referring to young students, who stay in bed all day until lunchtime, then stay out all night moaning that they have no money. Don't say it doesn't happen, because we both know it does. Get a job, means part time.....my daughter done it, so it's not a great hardship. Play the martyr if you must, but no-body forces people to further education. IMO, it has become the norm for young people, saves having to start work at 16.

 

This thread was about consessions......once again, in this country, people like yourself argue, that the only people that should have to pay a full price for anything, are those in work. I have news for you fella......I work 55 hours a week, my partner works 40, then another 30 in the home, a home that we have worked bloody hard to hold onto.......so tell me again...why those that don't contribute, should get everything on the cheap/free...............come on Mr 'I know everything'

 

ps.....Mr mature student.........get a spell check, it might improve your grades!!!!

[The Godfather]

Listen knob head...........when I said get a job, I was referring to young students, who stay in bed all day until lunchtime, then stay out all night moaning that they have no money. Don't say it doesn't happen, because we both know it does. Get a job, means part time.....my daughter done it, so it's not a great hardship. Play the martyr if you must, but no-body forces people to further education. IMO, it has become the norm for young people, saves having to start work at 16.

 

This thread was about consessions......once again, in this country, people like yourself argue, that the only people that should have to pay a full price for anything, are those in work. I have news for you fella......I work 55 hours a week, my partner works 40, then another 30 in the home, a home that we have worked bloody hard to hold onto.......so tell me again...why those that don't contribute, should get everything on the cheap/free...............come on Mr 'I know everything'

 

ps.....Mr mature student.........get a spell check, it might improve your grades!!!!

 

 

Spot on!

[Smirking_Saint]

Listen knob head...........when I said get a job, I was referring to young students, who stay in bed all day until lunchtime, then stay out all night moaning that they have no money. Don't say it doesn't happen, because we both know it does. Get a job, means part time.....my daughter done it, so it's not a great hardship. Play the martyr if you must, but no-body forces people to further education. IMO, it has become the norm for young people, saves having to start work at 16.

 

This thread was about consessions......once again, in this country, people like yourself argue, that the only people that should have to pay a full price for anything, are those in work. I have news for you fella......I work 55 hours a week, my partner works 40, then another 30 in the home, a home that we have worked bloody hard to hold onto.......so tell me again...why those that don't contribute, should get everything on the cheap/free...............come on Mr 'I know everything'

 

ps.....Mr mature student.........get a spell check, it might improve your grades!!!!

 

Concessions my friend, concessions.......................... i am not going to get into an arguement mate............... was just making a point................ i have actually agreed with you.......................... about the younger students that waste their time................... as i said earlier in my earlier post.......................... and yes i also believe it is the norm that these people stay in education at 16 to stop going to work.

 

.... i am not doing this full stop crap anymore, it's annoying.

 

TBF, if you bothered to read my thread before hitting back with a poorly responded tirade then you would realise we actually agreed on a lot of things. But those young students are already looked after by the clubs young person concession.

 

I am a mature student, i have a house, i also took said pay cut, i do a full time job and contribute to the country and will do a lot more. Learn to see both sides of an arguement and you may come across a bit better tbh.

 

How am i Mr I know everything ???

 

Oh, and btw, anyone that responds with the old spelling and grammar arguement is definately a bell end IMO, it's a f*cking forum.

Edited 7 August, 2009 by Smirking_Saint

[speculator]

Students should not receive a discount for the same reason as unemployed fans or those on long term benefit do not get a discount. A case could be made for any group who are experiencing financial hardship but the club would then have an unmanageable list of concessions and the cost of policing to avoid fraud would be so great they could actually lose money not to mention the length of queues on match days as various forms of proof were sought by the club before ticket purchase.

 

In any event even the most broke fan whatever their circumstances could prioritise their income expenditure to attend the odd game. Perhaps a little less spent on beer and fags or whatever the vice of the individual. A student loan and a part-time job will allow for a little recreation money as will Jobseekers allowances and other forms of benefit.

 

Children represent the fans of the future and pensioners equally worthy of concessions as they have the most free time to attend matches without finding the time to do all those little jobs the rest of us have to find at weekends around the weekly grind. Most students will return home after their time at Southampton and those Southampton students based miles away are hardly going to make much effort to attend home games given the distractions at university even if entrance was free and the so called gap year is unlikely to see them returning from their travels. The portion of Southampton based students attending local colleges and universities that support Saints is probably even smaller than the number of fans wanting to support and attend a 'legends' game to 'save' the club.

 

Use your student loan or do a small job to earn the price of your ticket, past 16 years of age, education should no longer be deemed a right or easy meal ticket and neither should it be. It is hard work training to be doctor and rightly so - it's called preparation , but the rewards are equally commensurate so students please get over yourselves.

[chrisobee]

Use your student loan or do a small job to earn the price of your ticket, past 16 years of age, education should no longer be deemed a right or easy meal ticket and neither should it be. It is hard work training to be doctor and rightly so - it's called preparation , but the rewards are equally commensurate so students please get over yourselves.

 

I'm not aware that education has ever been an easy meal ticket beyond the age of 16. I was lucky in my time that pt/summer jobs were easy to come by especially with BAT which of course is no longer an option. Even then I had to decide whether to go to somewhere like one of the London Unis or do what I did and study instead at Portsmouth Poly but continue to live at home. The travelling was a pain by the incredibly slow BR line to Portsmouth but it was worth it for me as I was able to see every Saints home game plus quite a few away games as well as watch Hants play at both the County Ground and Portsmouth. Oh, in those days Student Loans were not yet an option, the grant system which was operating meant even my parents would have had to fork out to supplement my grant had I lived away from home and I would consider them to have been amongst the lower paid families. So easy it wasn't but I had the luck to have supportive parents and the "luxury" of finding casual work with no problems which I'm sure is something many students don't have.

Oh and if anyone is lucky enough to get paid £9+ per hour then you really are blessed since £5-6 is the norm, and I state that as something I know for a fact and not just a figure plucked out of thin air.

Edited 9 August, 2009 by chrisobee

[Torbay Saint]

An 1800 quid grant to live on a year and 175 a month rent doesn't leave much room for manoeuvre.

 

Student fees are not payable until after graduation.

 

Tuition fees are not though.