JustMike Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Good to see the alpine-esque over-reactions setting in. We are 1-0 up in an Ashes series, and have had 1 very bad innings. But it doesn't mean we are sh*t, a f*cking disgrace, nor that we have lost the Ashes. mine was not an over-reaction. i have been saying it for ages that we are too weak in the back up department, mainly because we always stick to the same pool of players. yes we have called up trott but its no good if he is just bringing drinks on the field. Bowlers get dropped far quicker than batsmen after some bad performances, Bopara should not be playing this test and Bell is questionable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 yessss harmoooooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 1 down already. alpine-esque whingers in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 1 down already. alpine-esque whingers in trouble. Cant see anyone on this thread being alpine-esque. There is a vast difference between saying "we're are ****, we will lose everything, they are all useless" and "well that was ****, should have done better, that innings was a disgrace". Too subtle for you Bungle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 it was always going to happen. I kick myself that i didnt follow my instinct to bet that we would be laid back thinking it was going to be a draw at worst and then the complacency set in followed by panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Bopara and Bell adjacent in the order; a recipe for collapse, I warned a thousand times. Why don't the selectors listen to me? If Colly had come in at 4 we'd have had a chance. Gah! And there it is, Collingwood gone too and all because the rot had set in. A child could see that two nervous, flimsy batsmen at 3 and 4 is a collapse waiting to happen. Why is it that professional sportsmen always look like they don't give a **** when they seriously **** up. Some lovely shots of the England dressing room having a good old laugh and joke. That's because he's awful. Gets in and does nothing. Like the whole team? Who has scored the most this innings? Just shocking. No back bone from the usual suspects and none from the slightly mentally stronger either. I have an Aussie client at Headingly today. I'm running an event for him on Monday so at least he'll be in a good mood! our batting line up has finally been exposed for what it is, without kp to shore it up. just lucky it took the aussies 4 games to work it out Watch them score 200+ in the rest of the day. Could be all over by Sunday afternoon. Cant see anyone on this thread being alpine-esque. There is a vast difference between saying "we're are ****, we will lose everything, they are all useless" and "well that was ****, should have done better, that innings was a disgrace". Too subtle for you Bungle? Yeh, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Cant see anyone on this thread being alpine-esque. There is a vast difference between saying "we're are ****, we will lose everything, they are all useless" and "well that was ****, should have done better, that innings was a disgrace". Too subtle for you Bungle? Quite so. I've had a good whinge, but only to re-re-reiterate points I've been making for weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Harmison strikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Yeh, right. It all comes down to what you are pre-disposed to read it as. Me, I tend not to see the whinging in people (even our friend Alpine) so I tend to see it as the normal highs and lows of following a sports team, nothing more nothing less. Sure, there are some that take it to the levels of near bipolar extremes, but I cant see that in the quotes above. Quite so. I've had a good whinge, but only to re-re-reiterate points I've been making for weeks Nothing better than venting your frustration about a pointless agem over the 'web IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Yeh, right. Come off it mate, you can't deny me the right to be frustrated when a problem even I (an armchair fan) saw coming a mile off goes unremedied. It was a dreadful innings, but I haven't called it the death of cricket. Perhaps you didn't think it was a dreadful innings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Bolox, that'll teach me to be so damned optimistic - 180 heck that would have been something.... Odds on next 3 Aussies all getting a ton? harumph. (Oh not whingeing, the last Ashes in England was all about only one or maybe two specific sessions of cricket. We just had one of our worst sessions up to lunch to make up for the great one at Lords) But who to bring in at the Oval? Is the last test in an Ashes series the right time to bringing in new batsmen? Who else Shah? Key? Ho hum at least can watch Saints on telly tomorrow Oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Erm.... who was I jousting with about Bopara about being a Test no 3? LOL Oh, and to have Bell next to him who has the attitude of 'oooh, as long I get more than 1 run, the attention will be diverted away from me' was suicidal. But then again, the England selectors know best.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Pretty shambolic it has to be said though to single out Cook is totally unfair. He's been struggling all summer with his technique but it's a fact he is known as a very mentally tough player. At least he has shown the bottle to try to fight his way through it and 30 is a decent effort in the context of 102 all out, that's only possible to disagree with if you have a particular dislike for him TBH. I was surprised England actually weakened their batting by not playing another batsman, ie Trott to balance the loss of Flintoff though in this instance I doubt it would have made much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 (edited) But who to bring in at the Oval? Is the last test in an Ashes series the right time to bringing in new batsmen? Who else Shah? Key? Oh Shah, Key, Trott and Denly must all come into the picture I think. We are almost certainly going to need to win and one can only hope Flintoff is fit as he's just about the only player who can produce a performance to match Botham in 1981. I do think we are 1-0 up in this series in spite of our fragile batting, Bopara should be dropped and Bell will be lucky to keep his place. Other things being equal ( everyone fit) I'd like to see a line up something like this: Strauss Cook Key Shah Collingwood Prior Flintoff ( or Broad to keep his place) Swann Anderson Harmision Onions In fact this is the team ( with Broad of course in) that I would have liked for Headingley though possibly a batsman in for Flintoff rather than keeping Broad in the side. Edited 7 August, 2009 by chrisobee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Boycott is absolutely livid about England's bowling. Would be funny to listen to if it wasn't so serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Boycott is absolutely livid about England's bowling. Would be funny to listen to if it wasn't so serious. Boycott always needs something to moan about otherwise he's not happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 My Cook posts are not overreactions. I do it even when he plays well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Pretty shambolic it has to be said though to single out Cook is totally unfair. He's been struggling all summer with his technique but it's a fact he is known as a very mentally tough player. I've been focusing on him and him alone for 3 years or so now... I've been right the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Agnew and Tufnell laying into Harmison now (although all the bowlers are getting stick). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 At last. A 2nd wicket, Watson out lbw to Onions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 I've been focusing on him and him alone for 3 years or so now... I've been right the whole time. A Test average of 44 is by no means shabby for an opener. Whatever people think of Boycott he was a very good player, his career average ? 47. How about Gooch ? 42. Oh, don't forget the excellent Trescothick, his average ? Pretty much identical to that of Cook . So you like to think you have been right and if in your own mind you think that is the case I will not shatter your delusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 147/3. Ponting lbw to Broad for 78. This could be over in 2 days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Hussey gone now as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 August, 2009 Share Posted 7 August, 2009 Good to see the alpine-esque over-reactions setting in. We are 1-0 up in an Ashes series, and have had 1 very bad innings. But it doesn't mean we are sh*t, a f*cking disgrace, nor that we have lost the Ashes. but we are crap.. we were incredibly fortunate not to have lost the first test... they have more wicket takers than us, they have better batters than us and some how find themselves 1-0 down...and this is one of the worst aussie side is years.. The stick KP got now looks even more ridiculous looking at the poor efforts from the batters again.. why oh why is Bopara playing..he needs to be dropped, simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 but we are crap.. we were incredibly fortunate not to have lost the first test... they have more wicket takers than us, they have better batters than us and some how find themselves 1-0 down...and this is one of the worst aussie side is years.. The stick KP got now looks even more ridiculous looking at the poor efforts from the batters again.. why oh why is Bopara playing..he needs to be dropped, simple as that I would agree but why target one player, what about Cook and Collingwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 Just seen a lovely one-liner quote on cricinfo.com England batted like Fredless Chickens nuff said, Ashes lost in an hour of madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 I would agree but why target one player, what about Cook and Collingwood? they are also bad..well this series..but collingwood and cook have (at least) are one great innings each under their belt (nothing great i know)... where as Bopara............... the stick KP got was utterly stupid..why do we do it in this country to our best players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NI76 Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 the stick KP got was utterly stupid..why do we do it in this country to our best players Totally agree. The anti-KP feeling is absolutely unbelievable. I couldn't give a toss whether he's the biggest, most arrogant arsehole on the planet, or the nicest bloke on earth, the fact is (and yes, it is a fact, not just my opinion - look at the stats) he is by a million miles our best batsman. Not only that, but he score lots of runs when we are under pressure and rescues poor starts into good scores. Without him our middle order is woeful (Bopara, Bell and Colly v Ponting, Hussey and Clarke is not even a contest) and with Stuart Clark now back for them I can see nothing other than a 2-1 series win for the Aussies. I don't blame the selectors, it's not their fault KP is injured and if you picked Trott, Key and Shah I don't think they'd do any better. Personally, I would play Ramprakash at the Oval as he's the one batsman from the county scene who could potentially get the big hundred or double that we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 the stick KP got was utterly stupid..why do we do it in this country to our best players Indeed it happens in most sports and it does seem a typical British way of things to build people up and then knock them down again. I guess some people get some perverse pleasure out of going that. Quite pathetic. You can bet that if the Aussies had to chose one batsman not to play it would be Pietersen, he can be arrogant of course but many great players have that streak in them and often it is what really sets them apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jim Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 This is going well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 8 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2009 Bopara with another fine knock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 67-3 bye bye bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 F,u,c,king hell, as literally EVERYONE with the smallest ounce of knowledge on cricket pre-warned, Bell and Bopara ****ting their pants AGAIN at test level and once more proving their complete inability to cope with any pressurised situations. And putting them together in the order? Fu,c,king suicidal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 Pathetic sums it up i'd say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 LOL, someone on 606 "I am seriously starting to believe that England may lose this Test." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 still an over reaction at our middle order is it? So bad its unreal. I really hope that the selectors have the balls to drop the perenial underachievers in Bopara, Bell and possibly collingwood. Get the "form" players in the side like Trott and Carbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 Very very poor - without AF and KP we look a bunch of losers. Poor old Andrew Strauss as captain just makes a bad situation worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky-G Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 how many times do bell,collingwood & bopara have to fail before the very blinkered selectors have a look at joe denley,rob key or our own michael carberry,oh no those players don't play for the old boys network of counties(surrey,middx)& would possibly not agree with the muppets in ties brigade,whom are the bain of the county game,but seen at lords at every opportunity the sky cameras are there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 Bopara is deffo worst of a bad bunch.. I wonder how many runs he has in total this series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 bought a ticket for the 5th day at the Oval today for £20. Bit of a gamble, but could be the best £20 I ever spent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 Bloody Cook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 Utter Utter ****. IMO Bell and Harmison should be banished for good, Bopara and Collingwood ****ed off until they can score some runs in county cricket.... Jimmy Anderson... overrated... if the ball doesn't swing, he goes for 5 an over... He and Onions are too similar to both be playing. Team for the next test... 1 Strauss 2 Cook (just about)... Jimmy Adams anybody ? 3 Trott 4 Most In form County batsman 5 2nd most In form county batsman 6 Prior 7 Flintoff (if fit) 8 Broad 9 Swann 10 Sidebottom 11 Onions or Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 I would like to thank the England batsmen for allowing me valuable time to sit down and do some work on my laptop today. Absolutely no point in bothering to waste electricity by turning the telly on, except too say at least we have one world class record holding batsman - Jimmy Anderson scored again. Hell he scores more reliably than Irish Steve in Rock Bottoms. What an almighty mess we're now in, where the heck can the selectors go now. 5 new batsmen for the Oval? And goodbye Harmi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Broad and Swann have been smacking it around. Too little too late, but nice to watch. Broad gone for 61, 100 partnership between them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 All over - with swann top scoring. We need some sensible changes for the oval, but I am not sure the selectors are up to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Utter Utter ****. IMO Bell and Harmison should be banished for good, Bopara and Collingwood ****ed off until they can score some runs in county cricket.... Jimmy Anderson... overrated... if the ball doesn't swing, he goes for 5 an over... He and Onions are too similar to both be playing. Team for the next test... 1 Strauss 2 Cook (just about)... Jimmy Adams anybody ? 3 Trott 4 Most In form County batsman 5 2nd most In form county batsman 6 Prior 7 Flintoff (if fit) 8 Broad 9 Swann 10 Sidebottom 11 Onions or Anderson totally agree mate, apart from i would still have Anderson, if freddie isnt fit and wont play after the ashes anyway, who do you have at 7? Surely the likes of carberry must be given their chance soon but i have a feeling that they will go back to shah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 totally agree mate, apart from i would still have Anderson, if freddie isnt fit and wont play after the ashes anyway, who do you have at 7? Surely the likes of carberry must be given their chance soon but i have a feeling that they will go back to shah. Well Carberry is 125 not out at the moment against lancs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Think Botham called it right Batting order for the Oval 1 Strauss 2 Cook 3 Prior 4 Broad 5 Swann 6 Panesar Anyone else you can think of out of Harmison, Onions, Sidebottom etc Well looking at the averages ain't far off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 They'll shuffle the deckchairs... Trott will come in for Bopara, bell will bat at 3 and Collingwood will stay at 5. Harmison will probably come out for Flintoff. ... and we won;t score enough runs... again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Bopara is deffo worst of a bad bunch.. I wonder how many runs he has in total this series No need to wonder, it is 105 at an average of 15 ! Stunning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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