Is this the end for the ITK?

[Secret Site Agent]

Just a thought but, based on the following post by Landford Saint:

 

The new owners have shown that they dont do everything by shouting about it. They keep everything very quiet and close to their chest. Look at the way the take over occurred, the way AP was signed, and the way Harding was signed. Virtually the first thing anyone knew of these was when it was a done deal.

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It got me thinking. No body really knew any of this was going to happen. Does that mean that the 'In The Know'ers are becoming a bit thin on the ground, now? Are we back to the days when the first we knew about something was when it was officially announced? Are we at a stage people when we can say, with alacrity and sense of purpose, that anyone who comes on here and says, ' I can't reveal my sauces(sic) but so and so is going to do such and such, but don't blame me, i'm just the messenger.' we can all raise the roof by shouting 'Up your anus, you are full of crap, we know you are lying and your underware is ablaze'.

 

Discuss, in an open an honest and honest manner, using cogent, well thought out argument, please.

 

 

I say this because a friend of mine, who works down the chippie, knows a bird who goes out with a certain someone who i can't mention, who tells me that Marcus Liebherr likes a lively debate on message forums, and is willing to invest time in forming cogent and well thought out arguments.

And its true because I also saw it on Wikipedia.

[lordswoodsaints]

I've got 3 sources,2 in the media and one close to somebody at the club but I havnt had a sniff of anything from any of them for weeks.

I would say that either there isn't anything going on or ML has tightened the pipework so to speak.

[Secret Site Agent]

I've got 3 sources,2 in the media and one close to somebody at the club but I havnt had a sniff of anything from any of them for weeks.

I would say that either there isn't anything going on or ML has tightened the pipework so to speak.

 

I get the feeling that is what he is doing.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Just a thought but, based on the following post by Landford Saint:

 

 

 

It got me thinking. No body really knew any of this was going to happen. Does that mean that the 'In The Know'ers are becoming a bit thin on the ground, now? Are we back to the days when the first we knew about something was when it was officially announced? Are we at a stage people when we can say, with alacrity and sense of purpose, that anyone who comes on here and says, ' I can't reveal my sauces(sic) but so and so is going to do such and such, but don't blame me, i'm just the messenger.' we can all raise the roof by shouting 'Up your anus, you are full of crap, we know you are lying and your underware is ablaze'.

 

Discuss, in an open an honest and honest manner, using cogent, well thought out argument, please.

 

 

I say this because a friend of mine, who works down the chippie, knows a bird who goes out with a certain someone who i can't mention, who tells me that Marcus Liebherr likes a lively debate on message forums, and is willing to invest time in forming cogent and well thought out arguments.

And its true because I also saw it on Wikipedia.

 

Nah people are still talking or perhaps I should say spinning

[jimmysaint7]

i hope everybody on this site is not in itk to be honest.

[Alain Perrin]

I suspect because the 'pipework' is new, there are few leaks. In time, acquaintences will be made and the flow of information may start again.

 

But.... most of the ITK was ******** anyway.

[Draino76]

So do you all think ML has found this page yet? Has he posted yet?

[Amesbury Saint]

Nah people are still talking or perhaps I should say spinning

 

and what are they saying?

 

its the gossip, whether true or not, makes this site interesting?

[eurosaint]

So do you all think ML has found this page yet? Has he posted yet?

 

I doubt that he does personally but I feel sure that Andy Oldknow does !

I just hope that he can see beyond the short term nonsense that some are currently spouting !

[Amesbury Saint]

I just hope that he can see beyond the short term nonsense that some are currently spouting !

 

do league matches in August not matter?

[StInky]

Rumour, spin and misinformation can be very harmful to a company; it's unsettling and potentially commercially damaging. If I were AO I would be explaining this to all staff in no uncertain terms. It's a new era and a new chance to succeed for everyone, as long as they act professionally and toe the line. Those that don't will be out.

 

I am not AO.

[hypochondriac]

I reckon when we create more interest nearer the premiership we will hear about a lot more transfers before they happen.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

and what are they saying?

 

its the gossip, whether true or not, makes this site interesting?

 

yeah but if people don't like the gossip the messenger gets shot - I gather more details of Pinnacle's bid are getting leaked and it is not nice listening.

[Draino76]

yeah but if people don't like the gossip the messenger gets shot - I gather more details of Pinnacle's bid are getting leaked and it is not nice listening.

 

Do share.

[CB Saint]

Rumour, spin and misinformation can be very harmful to a company; it's unsettling and potentially commercially damaging. If I were AO I would be explaining this to all staff in no uncertain terms. It's a new era and a new chance to succeed for everyone, as long as they act professionally and toe the line. Those that don't will be out.

 

I am not AO.

 

I agree. People who are positive and motivated and believe in the cause are less likely to leak information. Those who are demotivated, peed off etc are likely to be b1tching to anyone who will listen hence the flood of rumors coming out of SMS prior to ML and S0d all since.

[eurosaint]

do league matches in August not matter?[/QUOTE]

 

If you feel that the 3 weeks of August 2009 are more important than building a 5 year plan to get to the Premiership then you are right !!

[Amesbury Saint]

do league matches in August not matter?[/QUOTE]

 

If you feel that the 3 weeks of August 2009 are more important than building a 5 year plan to get to the Premiership then you are right !!

 

lets here more about the 5 year plan then.

[saintstr1]

Surprising how little patience some fans have especially after what we have suffered in recent seasons, Seems to me that Alan Pardew knows exactly what he is doing and is takeing his time to ensure he makes the right long term appointments rather than short term fixes to appease impatiant supporters. I dont have any problem with anything AP has done or said and think he is 100% correct to play his cards close to his chest .............. Everything will be OK just be patiant.

[AussieDog]

Although I'm disappointed we haven't had more signings, I do appreciate that this is a building process, and I would rather a few initial disappointments if it means that AP gets the RIGHT players in, rather than panic signings which end up bloating the squad and the payroll. I don't want players who are marginally better than what we have already got, I want players in who raise the bar significantly (and who can hopefully help us get the best out of the good younger players that are still left).

 

I still believe that our current squad is better than at least 50% of the rest of the league. Only time will tell....but I am really looking forward to hearing (or watching if it is shown down here, but that's highly unlikely) the Millwall game. Confidence and a positive attitude can really make a difference. With a 25,000 crowd for the first game (well that's my prediction anyway) we can really get off to a flyer (stuff the Sky curse! - hopefully that left with he who shall not be named...)

[Dalek2003]

There is a much tighter and professional mamangement team, with less gossip in the corridors of SMS.

[red&white56]

do league matches in August not matter?[/QUOTE]

 

If you feel that the 3 weeks of August 2009 are more important than building a 5 year plan to get to the Premiership then you are right !!

 

If we come out of August still on -10 points then I think a lot of people on here will have alot to say about the here and now and won;t care less about 5 year plan. You should only start building on solid foundations and I'm not convinced we have a team that is solid enough yet.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Nah people are still talking or perhaps I should say spinning

 

That's always going to happen and it always has. Except years ago the 'gossip' was aired over a few beers in the pub.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

yeah but if people don't like the gossip the messenger gets shot - I gather more details of Pinnacle's bid are getting leaked and it is not nice listening.

 

Do share.

 

When it's legally possible to do so?

[del boy]

I have heard it's not the end

[eurosaint]

 

lets here more about the 5 year plan then.

 

Only if I hear more of your 3 week 'properly prepared' plan first or better still why don't you contact Mr Liebherr personally and ask him why the hell he hasn't turned the club around already !!!

[L1Minus10]

yeah but if people don't like the gossip the messenger gets shot - I gather more details of Pinnacle's bid are getting leaked and it is not nice listening.

 

Can someone explain to me why Pinnacle and their failed bid is in any way relevant now ?

[LGTL]

Lets be honest, the ITK never really began, did it? 99.9% of it was attention seeking nonsense.

[LGTL]

Can someone explain to me why Pinnacle and their failed bid is in any way relevant now ?

 

It's not, but he likes to think it makes him "above us" because he knows all the details, and he needs to make sure we all know he does too.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

It's not, but he likes to think it makes him "above us" because he knows all the details, and he needs to make sure we all know he does too.

 

This seems a rather strange comment to make. FF actually does have, through his work as club historian, access to many of the characters who are closely connected with the club. If you think about this it would probably include players, back room staff, board members and prominent local businessmen who may have attended games through sponsorship or business networking. It doesn't take much to realise that confidences do get passed from time to time. Sometimes intentionally and sometimes in error.

 

It up to us whether we believe this or not but Duncan is, in my honest opinion, a down to earth guy and far removed from being 'elitist' as indicated in your comment.

[John B]

This seems a rather strange comment to make. FF actually does have, through his work as club historian, access to many of the characters who are closely connected with the club. If you think about this it would probably include players, back room staff, board members and prominent local businessmen who may have attended games through sponsorship or business networking. It doesn't take much to realise that confidences do get passed from time to time. Sometimes intentionally and sometimes in error.

 

It up to us whether we believe this or not but Duncan is, in my honest opinion, a down to earth guy and far removed from being 'elitist' as indicated in your comment.

 

I agree but he does have a problem with Pinnacle and I wish he wouls spill the beans

[LGTL]

This seems a rather strange comment to make. FF actually does have, through his work as club historian, access to many of the characters who are closely connected with the club. If you think about this it would probably include players, back room staff, board members and prominent local businessmen who may have attended games through sponsorship or business networking. It doesn't take much to realise that confidences do get passed from time to time. Sometimes intentionally and sometimes in error.

 

It up to us whether we believe this or not but Duncan is, in my honest opinion, a down to earth guy and far removed from being 'elitist' as indicated in your comment.

 

He was the 0.01% of people that i was saying actually is ITK. I'm not disputing he knows things, it's just the "I know everything and none of you don't" mentality that he displays which annoys me.

 

"things are being leaked, and I gather it's not nice"

 

That's fantastic, now either tell us, or don't make the comment in the first place. We don't need to know he knows that, unless he is actually going to tell us about it.

[Snowballs2]

After the terrible news I have had this week ItK s are immaterial.

Sadly I am now on a very short time sCcale, i have been diagnosed with Brain cancer and bone cance. I go into Chemo and radiotherapy to prolong life alittle longer, however until the end I shall still support the only team for me.

I hope to have a chat with Ted Bates and others when I get to the final destination, if I am lucky enough to end up where he is. My contributions of late have been few and willget fewer. have a good season and up the saints

[Thedelldays]

After the terrible news I have had this week ItK s are immaterial.

Sadly I am now on a very short time sCcale, i have been diagnosed with Brain cancer and bone cance. I go into Chemo and radiotherapy to prolong life alittle longer, however until the end I shall still support the only team for me.

I hope to have a chat with Ted Bates and others when I get to the final destination, if I am lucky enough to end up where he is. My contributions of late have been few and willget fewer. have a good season and up the saints

 

 

holy crap

 

good luck pal

[S-Clarke]

After the terrible news I have had this week ItK s are immaterial.

Sadly I am now on a very short time sCcale, i have been diagnosed with Brain cancer and bone cance. I go into Chemo and radiotherapy to prolong life alittle longer, however until the end I shall still support the only team for me.

I hope to have a chat with Ted Bates and others when I get to the final destination, if I am lucky enough to end up where he is. My contributions of late have been few and willget fewer. have a good season and up the saints

 

Be strong fella.

 

Our thoughts are with you.

[Bartosz Bialkowski]

After the terrible news I have had this week ItK s are immaterial.

Sadly I am now on a very short time sCcale, i have been diagnosed with Brain cancer and bone cance. I go into Chemo and radiotherapy to prolong life alittle longer, however until the end I shall still support the only team for me.

I hope to have a chat with Ted Bates and others when I get to the final destination, if I am lucky enough to end up where he is. My contributions of late have been few and willget fewer. have a good season and up the saints

 

Holy ****e, thats awful. Be strong.

[LGTL]

All the best mate, puts all this crap into perspective.

[unionhotel]

After the terrible news I have had this week ItK s are immaterial.

Sadly I am now on a very short time sCcale, i have been diagnosed with Brain cancer and bone cance. I go into Chemo and radiotherapy to prolong life alittle longer, however until the end I shall still support the only team for me.

I hope to have a chat with Ted Bates and others when I get to the final destination, if I am lucky enough to end up where he is. My contributions of late have been few and willget fewer. have a good season and up the saints

 

What size shoes do you take?

 

Only joking! Been there, got the t-shirt. Hope is eternal. Good luck. Be strong.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

He was the 0.01% of people that i was saying actually is ITK. I'm not disputing he knows things, it's just the "I know everything and none of you don't" mentality that he displays which annoys me.

 

"things are being leaked, and I gather it's not nice"

 

That's fantastic, now either tell us, or don't make the comment in the first place. We don't need to know he knows that, unless he is actually going to tell us about it.

 

Pinnacle bid was totally based on leveraged debt.

They were already "hawking" the club around to other buyers.

 

The new buyers none too impressed with those that lent their name to Pinnacle.

 

(More than one source for the above).

 

Hope that satisfies you Le God.

And the relevance Billy? Well I guess we might still have Andrew Surman on the books had Pinnacle not messed us around and I am pretty sure had AP been in the job 4 weeks longer we would all be feeling a little more optimistic for next week.

 

Sure, Pinnacle is in the past but the repercussions of their ill-fated interest will remain with us for a while longer plus a lot of us were taken in by what at the end of the day was a load of old bull. Remember Happy Father's Day messages etc etc.

 

Oh and thanks Andy.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

After the terrible news I have had this week ItK s are immaterial.

Sadly I am now on a very short time sCcale, i have been diagnosed with Brain cancer and bone cance. I go into Chemo and radiotherapy to prolong life alittle longer, however until the end I shall still support the only team for me.

I hope to have a chat with Ted Bates and others when I get to the final destination, if I am lucky enough to end up where he is. My contributions of late have been few and willget fewer. have a good season and up the saints

 

Doug, this is terrible news - I was wondering where you had got to recently. Hang on in there - my thoughts are with you as you face this awful struggle against the odds. Yes certainly puts things in perspective.

Best Wishes Duncan

[ALWAYS_SFC]

After the terrible news I have had this week ItK s are immaterial.

Sadly I am now on a very short time sCcale, i have been diagnosed with Brain cancer and bone cance. I go into Chemo and radiotherapy to prolong life alittle longer, however until the end I shall still support the only team for me.

I hope to have a chat with Ted Bates and others when I get to the final destination, if I am lucky enough to end up where he is. My contributions of late have been few and willget fewer. have a good season and up the saints

 

Take care friend, our thoughts are with you.

[John B]

Pinnacle bid was totally based on leveraged debt.

They were already "hawking" the club around to other buyers.

 

The new buyers none too impressed with those that lent their name to Pinnacle.

 

(More than one source for the above).

 

QUOTE]

 

Administration was always going to cause us problems but Pinnacle's intervention cost us dearly and may have put us back another season.

 

 

Because I cannot see a decent confident Saints team emerging for some time

[Micky]

After the terrible news I have had this week ItK s are immaterial.

Sadly I am now on a very short time sCcale, i have been diagnosed with Brain cancer and bone cance. I go into Chemo and radiotherapy to prolong life alittle longer, however until the end I shall still support the only team for me.

I hope to have a chat with Ted Bates and others when I get to the final destination, if I am lucky enough to end up where he is. My contributions of late have been few and willget fewer. have a good season and up the saints

 

Stick in there Snowballs - it can be beaten, will be willing you on mate - take care.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

After the terrible news I have had this week ItK s are immaterial.

Sadly I am now on a very short time sCcale, i have been diagnosed with Brain cancer and bone cance. I go into Chemo and radiotherapy to prolong life alittle longer, however until the end I shall still support the only team for me.

I hope to have a chat with Ted Bates and others when I get to the final destination, if I am lucky enough to end up where he is. My contributions of late have been few and willget fewer. have a good season and up the saints

 

Sincere best wishes Snowballs, fight hard, fight dirty but walk with your head held high. May your God be on your side.

[eurosaint]

My best wishes to you Snowballs, as someone already said, this puts everything else into perspective !

Good luck to you and your family !

Dave.

[chocco boxo]

Snowballs2 really wishing you all the best,

Be strong mate.

[dune]

After the terrible news I have had this week ItK s are immaterial.

Sadly I am now on a very short time sCcale, i have been diagnosed with Brain cancer and bone cance. I go into Chemo and radiotherapy to prolong life alittle longer, however until the end I shall still support the only team for me.

I hope to have a chat with Ted Bates and others when I get to the final destination, if I am lucky enough to end up where he is. My contributions of late have been few and willget fewer. have a good season and up the saints

 

I'll say a little prayer for you mate.

[hypochondriac]

After the terrible news I have had this week ItK s are immaterial.

Sadly I am now on a very short time sCcale, i have been diagnosed with Brain cancer and bone cance. I go into Chemo and radiotherapy to prolong life alittle longer, however until the end I shall still support the only team for me.

I hope to have a chat with Ted Bates and others when I get to the final destination, if I am lucky enough to end up where he is. My contributions of late have been few and willget fewer. have a good season and up the saints

 

Damn mate. Have enjoyed your contributions over the years. Terrible news.

[Channon's Sideburns]

Snowballs...all the best - stay strong.

[Robsk II]

ITK can shut up, 90% of those claims are fatuous ****e. I'd rather never hear anything until it's done, sod all impact via here most of the time anyway.

 

Also - of course - good luck snowballs, awful news but up the saints indeed, all the best to you.

[Minsk]

Snowballs, I sincerely hope that you are one of the ones in however many it is who manages to beat it and come back stronger than ever. Good luck to you. I hope Saints keep you happy during your fight.