Gingeletiss Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 The only thing that has changed IMO is that the squad is weaker than last season. See.....here is where you may be wrong.............maybe, just maybe, we had a good squad last year, but really crap managers. Maybe/just maybe, a decent manager, will get our relegated players, playing a better quality of football. I have faith That AP will get this right i just don't hold with the view of O_B_S and DD, that we should buy for the sake of it...a five year plan means we shouldn't panic in the first two weeks.........some 'fans' eh!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Sorry Sid, you are entitled to be optimistic and to disagree with the concerns being expressed, but a thread that has reached 3 pages in less than 24 hours and has over 2000 views can certainly not be called 'silly'. Someone else possibly trying to take us for mugs may be the club that has bid for Rasiak. AP confirms the offer in the Echo report but maybe they think they can get can get him on the cheap because of the statements that he will leave if someone comes in for him. This guy paid an alledged £20 million for the club, and you think he's taking us for mugs...........Proff, post somthing positive, your starting to sound like DD's brother!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 This guy paid an alledged £20 million for the club, and you think he's taking us for mugs...........Proff, post somthing positive, your starting to sound like DD's brother!!!!!! 20 million? where did you get that figure from, about 12 and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 20 million? where did you get that figure from, about 12 and a half. I say alledged.........it was from an interview in a Swiss newspaper, it gave the figure as £20 million, not Euros. Coupled with something said on Talksport, when Oldknow was interviewed, AB asked how much was paid for the club, they played higher/lower, and it got to £15, when Oldknow laughed. So rumour only...........I'm sure time will tell the true amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 See.....here is where you may be wrong............. ... I have faith That AP will get this right i just don't hold with the view of O_B_S and DD, that we should buy for the sake of it...a five year plan means we shouldn't panic in the first two weeks.........some 'fans' eh!!!! I agree here. I think it's easy to assume that getting to the Championship/Premiership is the PLAN. It is not they are TARGETS. I would imagine that ML/AO/AP are working on the plan and to get it right we may Kick Off a few weeks late, so to speak. Doesn't mean we can't catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glkdcdes Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Originally Posted by surrey1saint FFS lets just be happy we have a club to support. Have faith in the new management guys. that is so typically saints being just content with your lot Could Delldays be typical of the ill informed, knee jerk, negative, never satisfied, kind of comment sadly too many people post on this forum. Of course we should be happy we have got a club to support, and spot on urrey1saint, lets for once just have faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 (edited) See.....here is where you may be wrong.............maybe, just maybe, we had a good squad last year, but really crap managers. Maybe/just maybe, a decent manager, will get our relegated players, playing a better quality of football. I have faith That AP will get this right i just don't hold with the view of O_B_S and DD, that we should buy for the sake of it...a five year plan means we shouldn't panic in the first two weeks.........some 'fans' eh!!!! A five year plan is all well and good but pardew has come out and stated (stupidly IMO) that he wants a top 2 finish,this raises the expectancy levels of the fans. OBS,DD and myself therefore are entitled to debate how this minor miracle is supposed to happen unless signings are made,ok pardew may be a miracle worker and will get a better response from last seasons failures but is he really that good that they will instantly overcome a 10 point defecit and then power up the league finishing in an instant promotion place after virtually winning every game?............I don't think so,do you? The facts are that unless signings are made we will start this season with a weaker squad than we did last season,we are in an unknown league starting with a handicap of -10 points......ok, we might be debt free and have a better calibre of manager but is this really going give us instant success?..of course not,so pardew should have kept his mouth shut or he should have been more realistic. I'm happy for there to be a long term plan, I'm just not happy that at the moment we are not good enough to compete in this league. This is all IMO and I really hope I am wrong but it is going to be a bigger struggle this season than it was the last. Edited 1 August, 2009 by lordswoodsaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 All this and a ball has not been kicked in anger by us or the other teams in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 A five year plan is all well and good but pardew has come out and stated (stupidly IMO) that he wants a top 2 finish,this raises the expectancy levels of the fans. OBS,DD and myself therefore are entitled to debate how this minor miracle is supposed to happen unless signings are made,ok pardew may be a miracle worker and will get a better response from last seasons failures but is he really that good that they will instantly overcome a 10 point defecit and then power up the league finishing in an instant promotion place after virtually winning every game?............I don't think so,do you? The facts are that unless signings are made we will start this season with a weaker squad than we did last season,we are in an unknown league starting with a handicap of -10 points......ok, we might be debt free and have a better calibre of manager but is this really going give us instant success?..of course not,so pardew should have kept his mouth shut or he should have been more realistic. I'm happy for there to be a long term plan, I'm just not happy that at the moment we are not good enough to compete in this league. This is all IMO and I really hope I am wrong but it is going to be a bigger struggle this season than it was the last. FFS.............some said a few weeks back, that we'd walk this league...now you're saying we won't. Some slated Burley, for not being ambitious enough.... now you're saying AP should keep his mouth shut. I used to think that Spurs fans were the most fickle in the country, but some on here would give them a run for their money on that title. Give the man time..............Isn't that what we were all saying to Stewpert as he 'sacked' manager after manager??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 FFS.............some said a few weeks back, that we'd walk this league...now you're saying we won't. Some slated Burley, for not being ambitious enough.... now you're saying AP should keep his mouth shut. I used to think that Spurs fans were the most fickle in the country, but some on here would give them a run for their money on that title. Give the man time..............Isn't that what we were all saying to Stewpert as he 'sacked' manager after manager??? I've never said we would walk this league or any league,I have always been cautious about our chances. Listen,I'm on your side,I want stability,I want a long term plan and I want a long term manager but if that manager (who I am happy with) goes on record and states ridiculous expectations then it deserves to be debated........by saying that he wants instant success kind of defeats the object of a long term plan don't you think? What he should of said was 'this season is going to be one of rebuilding but next season I expect to be in a position to gain promotion' but of course this doesn't sell season tickets. Come the end of the season pardew will regret what he said,he will get ripped apart on here (like most things) I'm not fickle, I'm just realistic,I have supported this club for the best part of 40 years and I have learnt not to expect anything from it even though it expects a lot from me. I am looking forward to this season as much as I have for the last 40 seasons but I do fear that it isn't going to be a rosy as some believe it is going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 I've never said we would walk this league or any league,I have always been cautious about our chances. Listen,I'm on your side,I want stability,I want a long term plan and I want a long term manager but if that manager (who I am happy with) goes on record and states ridiculous expectations then it deserves to be debated........by saying that he wants instant success kind of defeats the object of a long term plan don't you think? What he should of said was 'this season is going to be one of rebuilding but next season I expect to be in a position to gain promotion' but of course this doesn't sell season tickets. Come the end of the season pardew will regret what he said,he will get ripped apart on here (like most things) I'm not fickle, I'm just realistic,I have supported this club for the best part of 40 years and I have learnt not to expect anything from it even though it expects a lot from me. I am looking forward to this season as much as I have for the last 40 seasons but I do fear that it isn't going to be a rosy as some believe it is going to be. Where have you seen him say 'a top 2 finish'.........the only place I have seen this quoted, was on here, and from O_B_S.......I have not seen this anywhere else...........but even if he has said that, my Burley comparison still stands. A manager can't win, if he states ambition he gets slated, if he states no ambition, he gets slated!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Where have you seen him say 'a top 2 finish'.........the only place I have seen this quoted, was on here, and from O_B_S.......I have not seen this anywhere else...........but even if he has said that, my Burley comparison still stands. A manager can't win, if he states ambition he gets slated, if he states no ambition, he gets slated!! If a manager at a successful club states no ambition then he will get slated but we are sh1t at the moment so realism is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Last season a top two finish needed 89 points, so on that basis with our 10 point penalty we will need 99. Can anyone realistically see Saints winning 33 matches in a season where we are rebuilding. As much as I would love it, it does seem to be a bit of a stretch. This season is all about consolidation, those fans who have set their hearts on promotion are likely to be disappointed come May. And before anyone starts I am ambitious, I just temper it with realism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Pardew has said he is concentrating on CB as we are lacking players for that position, don't panic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I have an uncomfortable feeling that the ST ticket deadline has once again co-incided beautifully with the start to the season. And like other previous years, we all stump up our ST money hoping for a rejuvenated and improved team, only to be informed that there's no money to improve the squad. AP's latest commentary in the Echo on playing kids is not too encouraging - heard that one before have we not? I know we've just been saved and we should be eternally grateful and all that stuff, but I hate feeling that I've been taken for a mug once again by paying my hard-earned for a sub-standard product. Come on Markus and Alan - give us something to really cheer about so we can start this next season of games on a high. PLEASE! Still feel the same now we splashed 7 figures on Lambert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Still feel the same now we splashed 7 figures on Lambert? you beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Still feel the same now we splashed 7 figures on Lambert? Well I have to agree that the Murty and Lambert signings are what we've been waiting for and if this is a sign of things to come, then I am obviously very pleased indeed like the next man. If the strategy of buying the best players in the current league and the one above is maintained, I have no doubt in my mind we will be competing right to the top of the game. Exciting times indeed. However, when I wrote the OP there was no sign of these signings and as I said, AP was starting to say things that were remotely familiar with the previous regime like "we'll have to play the kids". I don't know, perhaps it was just some kind of mind-game on AP's part. It will be nice one day however to be in a position of knowing what players are leaving and coming PRIOR to ST renewal time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Well I have to agree that the Murty and Lambert signings are what we've been waiting for and if this is a sign of things to come, then I am obviously very pleased indeed like the next man. If the strategy of buying the best players in the current league and the one above is maintained, I have no doubt in my mind we will be competing right to the top of the game. Exciting times indeed. However, when I wrote the OP there was no sign of these signings and as I said, AP was starting to say things that were remotely familiar with the previous regime like "we'll have to play the kids". I don't know, perhaps it was just some kind of mind-game on AP's part. It will be nice one day however to be in a position of knowing what players are leaving and coming PRIOR to ST renewal time. I read that piece by AP talking about the younger players and I think you must have miscontrued it somehow. I think the link is still in the thread. Have a second read and see what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
converted_saint Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Well I have to agree that the Murty and Lambert signings are what we've been waiting for and if this is a sign of things to come, then I am obviously very pleased indeed like the next man. If the strategy of buying the best players in the current league and the one above is maintained, I have no doubt in my mind we will be competing right to the top of the game. Exciting times indeed. However, when I wrote the OP there was no sign of these signings and as I said, AP was starting to say things that were remotely familiar with the previous regime like "we'll have to play the kids". I don't know, perhaps it was just some kind of mind-game on AP's part. It will be nice one day however to be in a position of knowing what players are leaving and coming PRIOR to ST renewal time. It shouldn't matter. If you're a true fan you support the club whatever the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 It will be nice one day however to be in a position of knowing what players are leaving and coming PRIOR to ST renewal time. We may well see that when a manager is given a budget for the summer, noone available this summer to set or receive a budget so maybe we will see it next based on our finishing position, when was the last summer that we as a club were not going through some kind of fundamental change ? Why does the signing or leaving of players influence your decision, are you suggesting you would not have renewed if say Rasiak left or you would if Beckham signed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Well I have to agree that the Murty and Lambert signings are what we've been waiting for and if this is a sign of things to come, then I am obviously very pleased indeed like the next man. If the strategy of buying the best players in the current league and the one above is maintained, I have no doubt in my mind we will be competing right to the top of the game. Exciting times indeed. However, when I wrote the OP there was no sign of these signings and as I said, AP was starting to say things that were remotely familiar with the previous regime like "we'll have to play the kids". I don't know, perhaps it was just some kind of mind-game on AP's part. It will be nice one day however to be in a position of knowing what players are leaving and coming PRIOR to ST renewal time. Exactly how the Bristol Rovers fans are feeling at this moment - but Heyho thats the rotten world of football transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 August, 2009 It shouldn't matter. If you're a true fan you support the club whatever the situation. Don't be stupid - you wouldn't know this of course, but I was probably one of the first suppporters to renew this season. So absolutely nothing to do with being a "true supporter". And of course this matters, otherwise the club would have seen 32,000 bums on seats during the darkest hours of Lowe's regime, but it didn't. Were you there? I was and I didn't like what I saw as a result of the strategies employed...if I thought the same was happening under MK, I would have every right to complain and I would. And so would any other caring supporter paying money into the club. A supporter is a supporter - there are no "uber fans" - not even you dear boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I read that piece by AP talking about the younger players and I think you must have miscontrued it somehow. I think the link is still in the thread. Have a second read and see what you think. Sorry KP but I'm not reading back through that lot again! I understand your point and maybe I did misconstrue it. It does not lessen the feeling I had when I posted (sometime ago now), that I had just renewed my ST without knowing what team I was going to be watching this season and that was a recurring theme from...well goodness knows how many seasons! Of course since then we've seen some positive movement in the players coming in and as I have already said, I think we can now feel very positive and confident that the management team have more than just words to say - that its not Lowe-isms and Wilde-talk all over again. We're starting to see thankfully that they really do mean business. Which I wholeheartedly applaude and support - of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 August, 2009 We may well see that when a manager is given a budget for the summer, noone available this summer to set or receive a budget so maybe we will see it next based on our finishing position, when was the last summer that we as a club were not going through some kind of fundamental change ? Why does the signing or leaving of players influence your decision, are you suggesting you would not have renewed if say Rasiak left or you would if Beckham signed ? I've explained enough already, but I think the easiest way to answer your question is to simply say that for too many seasons we've been subjected to a strategy that saw our best players leaving and worse players coming in. That has culminated in the fall down the leagues. Each season we all pay up for our ST's in the hope that this trend will reverse. When I posted the OP, it appeared that history MIGHT be repeating itself once again. Thankfully MK and his management team have acted to show us all that they mean business, so while we've yet to see a pre-season of strengthening (which hopefully we'll see in the future), we can take immense amount of hope from the actions of the last week or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
converted_saint Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Don't be stupid - you wouldn't know this of course, but I was probably one of the first suppporters to renew this season. So absolutely nothing to do with being a "true supporter". And of course this matters, otherwise the club would have seen 32,000 bums on seats during the darkest hours of Lowe's regime, but it didn't. Were you there? I was and I didn't like what I saw as a result of the strategies employed...if I thought the same was happening under MK, I would have every right to complain and I would. And so would any other caring supporter paying money into the club. A supporter is a supporter - there are no "uber fans" - not even you dear boy. Sounds like you think a bit too highly of yourself considering you say there are no 'uber fans'. A bit of advice for you...get off your high horse before you fall and hit your head. I was there throughout last season's debacle and would never have boycotted games, I always thought it was a pathetic way of dealing with the crisis. That only hastened our decline. But you're clearly still living with the negativity generated by the past...just move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Well I have to agree that the Murty and Lambert signings are what we've been waiting for and if this is a sign of things to come, then I am obviously very pleased indeed like the next man. If the strategy of buying the best players in the current league and the one above is maintained, I have no doubt in my mind we will be competing right to the top of the game. Exciting times indeed. However, when I wrote the OP there was no sign of these signings and as I said, AP was starting to say things that were remotely familiar with the previous regime like "we'll have to play the kids". I don't know, perhaps it was just some kind of mind-game on AP's part. It will be nice one day however to be in a position of knowing what players are leaving and coming PRIOR to ST renewal time. How the hell can a club base it's confidential player business based on whether a bizarre select few will buy a ST only on knowing what players are in or out - support the team and get behind the new regime:smt070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Sounds like you think a bit too highly of yourself considering you say there are no 'uber fans'. A bit of advice for you...get off your high horse before you fall and hit your head. I was there throughout last season's debacle and would never have boycotted games, I always thought it was a pathetic way of dealing with the crisis. That only hastened our decline. But you're clearly still living with the negativity generated by the past...just move on. And so somehow, now you are accusing me of boycotting games?!? Not sure how that works. LOL. Nice try, but I think pot calling kettle black springs to mind. Be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 August, 2009 How the hell can a club base it's confidential player business based on whether a bizarre select few will buy a ST only on knowing what players are in or out - support the team and get behind the new regime:smt070 Another joker who cannot read....oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
converted_saint Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 And so somehow, now you are accusing me of boycotting games?!? Not sure how that works. LOL. Nice try, but I think pot calling kettle black springs to mind. Be happy. Ok, seeing as in the post above in response to BadgerBadger you accuse him/her of not being able to read, I suggest you get learn yourself. At which point in my post did I suggest you had boycotted games? I merely said I thought it was a pathetic way of showing displeasure. And if I'm not mistaken (which I'm not), the phrase 'pot calling kettle black' refers to hypocrisy, which I've not shown. I don't boycott games, neither do you. We're on the same page in that respect obviously. Difference is in the fact that I buy, and will continue to buy, a season ticket regardless of the situation the club is in whereas you appear to be disgruntled if the club doesn't match your expectations. Support Man United or Real Madrid if your reasons for allegiance are shallow enough to be influenced by player signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 WTF? we sign a player that is arguably one of the best in this division and only amongst Saints fans can we see arguments! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 11 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 August, 2009 Difference is in the fact that I buy, and will continue to buy, a season ticket regardless of the situation the club is in whereas you appear to be disgruntled if the club doesn't match your expectations. Support Man United or Real Madrid if your reasons for allegiance are shallow enough to be influenced by player signings. So what you're saying there is you're a better fan than I am because I have certain principles by which I stand?! And then you try to insult me with a cheap jibe?! Jog on uber fan...you are clearly in a league of your very own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 11 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 August, 2009 WTF? we sign a player that is arguably one of the best in this division and only amongst Saints fans can we see arguments! ;-) Oh boy, tell me about it... :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 11 August, 2009 Share Posted 11 August, 2009 if I thought the same was happening under MK, I would have every right to complain and I would. Thankfully MK and his management team have acted to show us all that they mean business. Who is this MK you refer to ? I think its fair to say you were premature in your OP and have accepted your fears may be unfounded with the two most recent signings, I think Lamberts signing demonstrates how long it can take someone to get their man even in these lower leagues, AP stated he was tracking him when at Charlton, he may have others in the frame, hopefully 2. My only criticism is of the timing of your OP and as outlined in my first post in relation to this it was all lastminute.com this season and those before were beset with upheaval, hopefully next summer will be different for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 September, 2009 Sorry - double typo there - should be ML. I do not think I was premature in my OP - I was setting out a hypothesis and a principle of sorts. I was simply hoping that we would not be taken for mugs again and thankfully so far it appears that we have not, although since the season started we are still underperforming due to not enough surgery being done to the 1st team in relation to the league we are in. And just to clarify, that does NOT mean I expect millions to be thrown at the problem - just enough to enable AP to turn the mentality of the team around or face a very, very difficult season. I have high hopes for today and the finishing touches to AP's plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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