JustMike Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Sadly a number of our superfans are content to stay up this season so losing a few at the beggining will not be the 'end of the world' ok, lets put it another way. If it were down to you, what you do, given the timescale that AP has been here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 As it stands he is a BIG loss - he scores goals - we have limited quality already - yes we may get someone else, but to date we haven’t - season starts in a few days - if we cant convince John to stay then I worry about convincing other talent to sign - John has played a pre-season with us and will be settled at the club – new players will not To say that John not signing makes no difference is silly pre-season?? i understood he sat out of most of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 No a lot of Saints fans are realistic. You on the other hand???? You call it realistic; I call it having no ambition or desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Rome wasn’t built in a day! You must have a book of excuses and you’re surely running out? Either that or you’re just taking the ****? Rome wasn’t built in a day – you’re right. We however (wakey, wakey) are not ‘Rome’ we are Saints, we start the season in a few days, we have bought in one player, we have now lost 8, our manager says we are not ready, most people can surely see we are no where near ready. You continue with your blind faith and I’ll look forward to your “it takes time to gel” and “it’s a building season” threads in a few months so ****ing what? Do you think Pardew is sat at home picking his arse? Of course not. We are three weeks behind everyone else and I would add that relegated sides need a lot more work during the summer months than any other sides. Every Saints fan knows we need to improve the squad. We are not sticking our heads in the sand, but many of us aren't worryin because its only five minutes since we thought we'd never see the side again. Any thing now is a bonus. But don;t think that the same fans don;t want to see us challenge. Of course we do, but the problem Pardew has is not bringing in players, anyone can sign players, but bringing in the kind of quality that will get us promoted, now that is a different story altogether. Panic buy at your peril and you end up with mediocre like Thomas. To be honest I'd much prefer ardew to be attempting to sign the almost unsignable rather than just mopping up the remaining out of contract dross. I'd add that until Saga and Rasiak (and maybe a few opthers) make their minds up then the squad is in flux anyway especially if Pardew has to balance the books. Knock Rasiak's £15k a week from the wage bill and we can sign three decent players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 You call it realistic; I call it having no ambition or desire. yeah that sounds like Pardew. No ambition or desire. Insert rolly eyes thing here if I knew how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 so ****ing what? Do you think Pardew is sat at home picking his arse? Of course not. We are three weeks behind everyone else and I would add that relegated sides need a lot more work during the summer months than any other sides. Every Saints fan knows we need to improve the squad. We are not sticking our heads in the sand, but many of us aren't worryin because its only five minutes since we thought we'd never see the side again. Any thing now is a bonus. But don;t think that the same fans don;t want to see us challenge. Of course we do, but the problem Pardew has is not bringing in players, anyone can sign players, but bringing in the kind of quality that will get us promoted, now that is a different story altogether. Panic buy at your peril and you end up with mediocre like Thomas. To be honest I'd much prefer ardew to be attempting to sign the almost unsignable rather than just mopping up the remaining out of contract dross. I'd add that until Saga and Rasiak (and maybe a few opthers) make their minds up then the squad is in flux anyway especially if Pardew has to balance the books. Knock Rasiak's £15k a week from the wage bill and we can sign three decent players. Why does buying quickly automatically equal panic buying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 We screwed our big players around so much last year i'm suprised any of them are actually still here. Sucks to lose John, he's a good striker. Who's next?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 yeah that sounds like Pardew. No ambition or desire. Insert rolly eyes thing here if I knew how. Your post is lost on me! AP has said he wants top 2 this year – he has more desire than most on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 You call it realistic; I call it having no ambition or desire. haha it gets better So lets get rid of AP and the swiss and get Lowe back because the ambition and desire was there in abundance then wasnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Your post is lost on me! AP has said he wants top 2 this year – he has more desire than most on here. and yet you just said he has none? *edit.. sorry, you meant fans and not AP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 haha it gets better So lets get rid of AP and the swiss and get Lowe back because the ambition and desire was there in abundance then wasnt it? Let’s get this right – I have no issues with AP’s ambition – he has said top 2 this year….I am happy with that. It’s your ambition I have issues with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Can I just say thanks to Stern. I for one won't forget his goals the other year in what was a dreadful side. That volley against hull was pure magic. And of course the Sheffield United game!! +1. Very grateful for those goals however he has treated us extremley badly here imo. Comes back to training claiming he wants to stay & help us in League 1, first sign of a CCC club come calling he's off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Let’s get this right – I have no issues with AP’s ambition – he has said top 2 this year….I am happy with that. It’s your ambition I have issues with. its got nothing to do with my ambition. I want us to finish top, whipping everyone along the way but im realsitic enough, after our recent history to know that it will take time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 (edited) You call it realistic; I call it having no ambition or desire. Nothing wrong with ambition or desire. Just needs to be rational as opposed to blind stupidity. Not being cut up becuase John has left doesn't mean I have no ambition, it just means i have the ability to be patient and not jump on a moaning bandwagon for sake of it. Edited 29 July, 2009 by Andyb1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 so ****ing what? Do you think Pardew is sat at home picking his arse? Of course not. We are three weeks behind everyone else and I would add that relegated sides need a lot more work during the summer months than any other sides. Every Saints fan knows we need to improve the squad. We are not sticking our heads in the sand, but many of us aren't worryin because its only five minutes since we thought we'd never see the side again. Any thing now is a bonus. But don;t think that the same fans don;t want to see us challenge. Of course we do, but the problem Pardew has is not bringing in players, anyone can sign players, but bringing in the kind of quality that will get us promoted, now that is a different story altogether. Panic buy at your peril and you end up with mediocre like Thomas. To be honest I'd much prefer ardew to be attempting to sign the almost unsignable rather than just mopping up the remaining out of contract dross. I'd add that until Saga and Rasiak (and maybe a few opthers) make their minds up then the squad is in flux anyway especially if Pardew has to balance the books. Knock Rasiak's £15k a week from the wage bill and we can sign three decent players. Agreed, you put it slightly more eloquently than me though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Shame as I reckon he would do a better job for us in Div 1 than Rasiak. Not AP's fault but we don't exactly have a lot of time to blend a team now - there will be a few strangers on show v Millwall I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 no but every game counts and the season starts next week unfortunate that because we're not gonna be having a great start to the season... still a season was never won in the first month...or three months for that matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 but you did sign Rodolph Douala, Ognjen Koroman, Lucien Aubey, Konstantinos Chalkias, Djimi Traore, Giannis Skopelitis, Aleksandar Rodic, Ivica Mornar , Mladen Rudonja, and your very own Ali `Yoshikatsu Kawaguchi' Dia. Actually, habe you ever seen John `£7 ha ha million' Utaka and Ali Dia in the same room? With every single one of them having represented his country bar Aubey and Skopelitas so your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stax Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Billy Sharpe from Sheffield United would be a good replacement, on transfer list. Billy Sharpe would be great in League 1, but i have no doubt a championship club will take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 As it stands he is a BIG loss - he scores goals - we have limited quality already - yes we may get someone else, but to date we haven’t - season starts in a few days - if we cant convince John to stay then I worry about convincing other talent to sign - John has played a pre-season with us and will be settled at the club – new players will not To say that John not signing makes no difference is silly He is not yet a BIG loss, as you do not have any idea who is going to replace him. His replacement might score MORE goals than John would. Might be more quality than John. So we haven't got anybody else in as a striker with 10 days to go until the new season and you want to cut your throat by the sound of it. Although John wishes to play in the Fizzy Pop, there is no reason whatsoever why a better player than him from the Premiership might not come here on loan, especially with us having a decent manager and a wealthy owner. It remains to be seen as to whether John signing makes any difference or not. See above. It might yet be a blessing in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Real Shame, was hoping he'd be a big part of a promotion push but that's life I guess. Thanks for the goals SJ and best of luck to you. Let's hope we can: - Get a decent replacement. - Keep Rasiak (looking unlikely at the moment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 If he doesn't want to play for Saints then good riddance to him..........the bottom line is thatAP needs players 100% committed to the cause who give their all week in week out.............I would expect a couple more Eastern Europeans to be on their way shortly on that basis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 With every single one of them having represented his country bar Aubey and Skopelitas so your point is? Which major footballing nations are we talking here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 +1. Very grateful for those goals however he has treated us extremley badly here imo. Comes back to training claiming he wants to stay & help us in League 1, first sign of a CCC club come calling he's off. Fully agree. I never expect he is such a ****!!!!!! "Comes back to training claiming he wants to stay & help us in League 1, first sign of a CCC club come calling he's off", this phase is absolutely correct. Is not he is loyal or not being loyal, is about he should follow what he said in the pubic. He said that he wants to stay here and wants to earn himself a contract but what happen after he gain fitness? I just want him to change his mind!!!!! Perhaps you can have a even better contract now!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester_Saint Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Any player who isn't going to give 110% for Saints doesn't deserve to pull on the red and white shirt...cya Stern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Fully agree. I never expect he is such a ****!!!!!! "Comes back to training claiming he wants to stay & help us in League 1, first sign of a CCC club come calling he's off", this phase is absolutely correct. Is not he is loyal or not being loyal, is about he should follow what he said in the pubic. He said that he wants to stay here and wants to earn himself a contract but what happen after he gain fitness? I just want him to change his mind!!!!! Perhaps you can have a even better contract now!!!!!!! eh? What do Pubic hairs have to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 We need to hit the ground running to try and eradicate the -10 points,what we cannot afford to do is hope that things will improve,hope that signings will materialize and hope that pardew can get the best out of what he has available. We all did a lot of hoping last season. If we lose our first 3 games will could end up being too far adrift to catch up with or without some late august signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Well, we need committed players - he's obviously not committed. Therefore we can buy someone who is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigShadow Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 As Bristol City discovered - Stern John ain't all that. I was a bit concerned that AP seemed to be focussing on SJ as the mainstay of our attack. No great loss in my book. An experienced bruiser of a centre forward who really wants to play in L1 is now a priority. Alongside McLaggon/Paterson/Lallana we would still have options. Of course, if we can also add another pacy striker that would be great. I am assuming Saga and Rasiak will leave, but if either stay even if they don't fancy L1 football - a few goals might soon whet their appetite. Strikers thrive on scoring goals and finding the net regularly at this level might soon have them thinking this ain't so bad after all. No reason to panic yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 We need to hit the ground running to try and eradicate the -10 points,what we cannot afford to do is hope that things will improve,hope that signings will materialize and hope that pardew can get the best out of what he has available. We all did a lot of hoping last season. If we lose our first 3 games will could end up being too far adrift to catch up with or without some late august signings. Your point will be lost on some here – following the takeover and appointment of AP, I hoped we would continue to ride the wave of optimism (A lot of people have bought season tickets because of the renewed ‘hope’) This wave has gone pretty flat and we are in danger of drowning in league 1 unless we bring in some quality. I don’t want to start thinking about just staying up – this was supposed to be a new start (better times) not same old same old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 It's not your ambition we've got any problems with, it's the assumption that just because we haven't signed anybody it means we don't have any. It's like taking an aspirin and expecting your headache to stop within a minute. Gawd knows what it'd be like to go to bed with you!:-) So: - who is staying from our existing players - identify players good enough, - can we afford them - will they fit the team - do they want to come here - do their clubs want to sell (if not free agents) - can they pass a medical and I'm sure others may think of other criteria which makes it slightly more difficult than shopping in Tesco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Your point will be lost on some here – following the takeover and appointment of AP, I hoped we would continue to ride the wave of optimism (A lot of people have bought season tickets because of the renewed ‘hope’) This wave has gone pretty flat and we are in danger of drowning in league 1 unless we bring in some quality. I don’t want to start thinking about just staying up – this was supposed to be a new start (better times) not same old same old It's meant to be about stability. If that involves staying in league one fro 2 seasons then so be it... No one said ANYTHING about straight promotions to the premier league. In fact they have been very careful not too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 With Stern gone it means that the money we intended to pay him can be paid to somebody else. If Rasiak and Saga goes - remember, they are on thousands a week - we can afford to pay several new players or two or three rather better ones which no doubt AP already have in mind. It's no disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 It's meant to be about stability. If that involves staying in league one fro 2 seasons then so be it... No one said ANYTHING about straight promotions to the premier league. In fact they have been very careful not too. Except AP said he wanted to finish top 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Your point will be lost on some here – following the takeover and appointment of AP, I hoped we would continue to ride the wave of optimism (A lot of people have bought season tickets because of the renewed ‘hope’) This wave has gone pretty flat and we are in danger of drowning in league 1 unless we bring in some quality. I don’t want to start thinking about just staying up – this was supposed to be a new start (better times) not same old same old No the wave has not gone flat. I am still optimistic but at the same time know that it will not be solved over night (or 7 or 11 or however many it is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Your point will be lost on some here – following the takeover and appointment of AP, I hoped we would continue to ride the wave of optimism (A lot of people have bought season tickets because of the renewed ‘hope’) This wave has gone pretty flat and we are in danger of drowning in league 1 unless we bring in some quality. I don’t want to start thinking about just staying up – this was supposed to be a new start (better times) not same old same old Did you read this part of the article on Stern then? While disappointed in the way this episode has concluded' date=' Saints wish to make it clear that our new executive team and first team management are working hard to recruit the right players to help enhance the squad and we hope to be able to announce further additions in the coming days.[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Did you read this part of the article on Stern then? Yes I did see that bit – fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 I'm just disappointed he's messed us around. How has he messed us around? The club would have set him a time deadline to make his mind up and there's no evidence to suggest he didn't stick to it. If the club wanted an answer within 24 hours they would have asked for it. We don't really know what's gone on, he might well have said to AP, it's highly unlikely, but the club have put a positive spin on it so not to affect other negotiations or ST sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Not too fussed, we're building a new team. I'd like someone who can put a good few seasons in to the club. John would've been nice but he want's to play elsewhere. The bottom of the article like Scudamore has just pointed out pleases me more than the fact that Stern isn't staying saddens me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Yes I did see that bit – fingers crossed. Fingers crossed? You hope we sign someone?! Good god where's the positivity?!! No ambition on this board... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Fingers crossed? You hope we sign someone?! Good god where's the positivity?!! No ambition on this board... Dreadful isn’t it!! There is an old saying that some on here buy into (think it was Shakespeare who said?) “If you get kicked in the face a few times, you start to like a kick in the face and will be happy for Saints to rot in league 1 for a few years” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Dreadful isn’t it!! There is an old saying that some on here buy into (think it was Shakespeare who said?) “If you get kicked in the face a few times, you start to like a kick in the face and will be happy for Saints to rot in league 1 for a few years” hope you're not including me in that "some on here" line. Im not happy for us to rot in L1 but also know that its going to take more than 7 (or indeed 11) days to turn things around. Just because "some on here" want instant fixes, it quite simply is not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Dreadful isn’t it!! There is an old saying that some on here buy into (think it was Shakespeare who said?) “If you get kicked in the face a few times, you start to like a kick in the face and will be happy for Saints to rot in league 1 for a few years” Was Shakespeare a Skate, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 (edited) hope you're not including me in that "some on here" line. Im not happy for us to rot in L1 but also know that its going to take more than 7 (or indeed 11) days to turn things around. Just because "some on here" want instant fixes, it quite simply is not going to happen. I just hope that AP isn’t as content as you. In fact I know he won’t be, I know this because - he has said the squad/team is not good enough - he wanted John to stay - he would have wanted to bring in a few of his targets by now - he would surely have wanted the backroom staff sorted by now - he wants to finish top 2, this wont happen with our current players - he will lose Rasiak and Saga soon (by all accounts) - we have no proven forwards at the club (that want to stay) Edited 29 July, 2009 by Glasgow_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 I just hope that AP isn’t as content as you. In fact I know he won’t be, I know this because - he has said the squad/team is not good enough - he wanted John to stay - he would have wanted to bring in a few of his targets by now - he would surely have wanted the backroom staff sorted by now - he wants to finish top 2, this wont happen with our current players - he will lose Rasiak and Saga soon (by all accounts) - we have no proven forwards at the club (that want to stay) where have i said that im content???? Im just not panicing and moaning about our lack of inbound transfer activity after such a short period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 If this means we can afford to keep Rasiak and Saga on their wages then so be it IMO. Both better players when in form. Admittedly they have been a long way from their best recently, but they are quality and I trust AP to get the best out of them. John would have been good to have, but I was never over the moon about him staying this season. To lazy and his form dropped badly last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 where have i said that im content???? Im just not panicing and moaning about our lack of inbound transfer activity after such a short period of time. You're Mr Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Pedro Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 So basically what the 3 pages of this thread tells me is what I already know ..... that footballers in this day and age do not have any loyalty to their club. The sooner we remind ourselves of this, the sooner we can come to terms with people like Stern leaving us. Out of interest, who was our last "loyal" player ? Has there been anyone since MLT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 Hey, that's one of mine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 July, 2009 Share Posted 29 July, 2009 I just hope that AP isn’t as content as you. In fact I know he won’t be, I know this because - he has said the squad/team is not good enough - he wanted John to stay - he would have wanted to bring in a few of his targets by now - he would surely have wanted the backroom staff sorted by now - he wants to finish top 2, this wont happen with our current players - he will lose Rasiak and Saga soon (by all accounts) - we have no proven forwards at the club (that want to stay) Ssshhh....it's not 8th August yet....you're not allowed to highlight this yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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