Daily Echo - LALLANA Fulham bid rejected...SPURS INTEREST TOO

[ottery st mary]

I would include Fulthorpe in that position as well. We need them all, but they must be pulling in the one direction for the best of the club. I have believed from close to the beginning that the direction we are taking is the right direction. That does not mean that another direction backed by greater finance would not work better without Lowe. But until finance comes along that can make that difference, I would stick with what is currently in motion.

 

Yep, Now let us get some results. Over to you JP.

[westofshannonsaint]

Who's categorising who??

 

You seem to have me down as a Lowe Hater - I'm not, just realistic about what he is likely to do (hence my explanation of what I think will happen in Jan).

 

I do not trust a word Lowe or Wilde spout - doesn't mean I don't admire what has been done since they have returned though.

 

My biggest pet hate isn't actually Lowe - it is solely based on PR Spin and Bull - which I know is part and parcel of 2008 Britain.

 

But, FFS one minute we haven't got a pot to pee in, next minute we're spending €1M euros on Schnederlin, bringing in 2 loanees from the Prem, and supposedly bringing back Quashie....all good moves I hasten to add.... HOWEVER

 

I hate the whole 'we're skint' scenario - yes we are but let's not keep on about it....I'm skint too but that's modern life as well.

 

My feelings for Lowe aren't 'pantomime hatred' - that's a get out clause for Lowe Apologists so they can ignore the damage that relegation has caused. All the incessant bull about his previous running of the club also winds me up.

 

I remember seeing on here that our finances weren't that fantastic even while in the Prem - so in that respect we're looking at Lowe in comparison with Brown's handling of the economy.

 

Lowe is here and now, however I can't wait until he ducks off into the sunset.

 

 

Brilliant post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

back on topic....

 

I am just happy that Lallana signed a 3 year contract knowing that a prem club (even if it is Fulham) were interested, it means if/when he is sold we will command a better deal.

 

I think it will depend on where Saints are in January if he stays or not....

 

If we are pushing up for a play-off spot, I think he is more likely to stay rather than join a prem sub's bench.

 

If we are fighting relegation Lowe will come out with "if a player doesn't want to be here....."

 

what ever happens fans on here will nag about how skint we are or how we are not pushing forward how it is all Lowe's fault or how we are just like any other small club.

 

- that's what makes a discussion board I suppose.

[Master Bates]

I am happy that Lallana signed an extension

I am happy we rejected a bid for Lallana

I am happy I have a big willy

I am unhappy I don't get to use it

I am happy that some people on this thread are happy

I am happy that I am a shirter

I am happy that I am happy.

[aintforever]

If Lallana does go in January it will be everything to do with the player (and his agent) wanting the move and not be controlled at all by Lowe wanting to 'cash in' on him

 

You don't know that.

[dubai_phil]

I am happy that Lallana signed an extension

I am happy we rejected a bid for Lallana

I am happy I have a big willy

I am unhappy I don't get to use it

I am happy that some people on this thread are happy

I am happy that I am a shirter

I am happy that I am happy.

 

I take it you're having a bad day at the office then and are unhappy

[Master Bates]

I take it you're having a bad day at the office then and are unhappy

 

Very bad day at the office, just sat here doing nowt :smt099

 

I was checking into a hotel in Dubai the other week. At the counter, a guy in front of me said curtly to the receptionist, "I hope the porn channel is disabled."

 

Unbelievable what some people are into.

Edited 4 September, 2008 by Master Bates

[Ian the Red]

Christ there are some negative plonkers reading into a situation what they want to believe.

 

AL is still a Saints player and will remain one unless we are forced to sell by the banks or he puts in a transfer request. RL will not sell for the sake of selling unless the player wants to go. There is no evidence from past experiences that players are sold for the sake of selling.

 

For some to say AL will be gone in January is pointless: he maybe injured, we maybe in with a chance of the play offs…….. who knows. So once again the negativity has returned.

 

Saints refused the bid; that is positive and for now let’s just take pride that we told Fulham where to go and still have AL in our team. FFS cant people see the positive side!!!

[St_Tel49]

Which is why it still amazes me we got so much for Walcott....

 

Lowe is not a mug when it comes to transfers

[St_Tel49]

You don't know that.

 

Nor do you know that he is wrong

[Weston Super Saint]

Lowe is not a mug when it comes to transfers

 

Augustin Delgado :shock:

[stanthemanfairoak]

classic

[thefuriousb]

Augustin Delgado :shock:

 

And for an Austin Delgado, we also have another Peter Crouch.

 

Like everyone, not very transfer pays off. On the whole his record of allegedly personally signing all players, stands up to scrutiny

 

Taibi, Poborsky, Veron, Forlan.... All signed by the most successfull manager of the last 20 years.

[Dicko]

Augustin Delgado :shock:

 

I'm not a supporter of RL, but I will defend him on Delgado.

 

When you see what AD has done since, especially with Ecuador, I don't think he was a terrible buy.

 

He never settled here and used injuries as an excuse for constantly returning home, but if you look at the history of South Americans playing in England, they are notoriously hit or miss at settling.

[70's Mike]

Just more confusion regarding our actual financial position.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

I think we will keep seeing this over the coming years. Get a few old heads in each year on free transfers, raid our own youth policy, bring in youngsters from prem clubs and abroad and off we go again. We have a manager that works that system very well who is unlikely to be poached and it will get our debt down slowly and gradually, whilst letting us watch half decent football.

 

It's ticking all the boxes but promotion but then the tried and tested method wasn't doing that either, AND it was sinking us as a club financially.

 

I think it is somewhat premature to say that such a policy IS ticking all the boxes except promotion.

 

We have a manager who MAY work the system very well.

If he does, who is to say he WON'T be poached?

We do not yet know if it will even tick the box of not having a relegation fight. We hope it does tick that box, but at the moment it is a hope (and for some an expression of faith), but that box has not been ticked yet, and can't at this stage even be ticked in pencil.

[farawaysaint]

Lallana signed a new contract this window... Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm fairl sure that excludes him form signing for other clubs until Januaru at least.

[70's Mike]

Lallana signed a new contract this window... Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm fairl sure that excludes him form signing for other clubs until Januaru at least.

 

do not think so

[dubai_phil]

Very bad day at the office, just sat here doing nowt :smt099

 

I was checking into a hotel in Dubai the other week. At the counter, a guy in front of me said curtly to the receptionist, "I hope the porn channel is disabled."

 

Unbelievable what some people are into.

 

That's two red cards.

One for not giving the tw*t a slap for not knowing we don't have THAT sort of thing here (unless ....)

and two for not pm'ing us up and having a Bullfrog

 

:-)

[Weston Super Saint]

Lallana signed a new contract this window... Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm fairl sure that excludes him form signing for other clubs until Januaru at least.

 

Do you mean apart from the fact that the transfer window is closed until January anyway?

[farawaysaint]

In other news please forgive my atrocious spelling in my last post but I can no longer edit sorry

[exit2]

Lallana signed a new contract this window... Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm fairl sure that excludes him form signing for other clubs until Januaru at least.

 

TBH contracts are worth **** all in the present world of football. What they do is insure is

 

1. SFC can use it as a lever for more money in Jan if necessary

2. Safe guards AL's employment in football.

 

A contract these days is there just for financial gain for both parties.

[WealdSaint]

I think we can assume that financially there is some limited room to manoeuvre otherwise AL would have been sold

[once_bitterne]

You don't know that.

 

Were the moves of Bridge, Richards, Beattie, Walcott and Bale down the players and their agents wanting to move to clubs doing better than we were or were they 'cashed in on' by that nasty Wupert?

[Master Bates]

That's two red cards.

One for not giving the tw*t a slap for not knowing we don't have THAT sort of thing here (unless ....)

and two for not pm'ing us up and having a Bullfrog

 

:-)

 

I'm now currently too relaxed to pm :weedman:

[Weston Super Saint]

Were the moves of Bridge, Richards, Beattie, Walcott and Bale down the players and their agents wanting to move to clubs doing better than we were or were they 'cashed in on' by that nasty Wupert?

 

That's rhetorical right?

[dubai_phil]

I'm now currently too relaxed to pm :weedman:

 

Ah so obviously NOT in Dubai this week then?

 

(or are you just visiting Grooverider?)

[Master Bates]

Ah so obviously NOT in Dubai this week then?

 

(or are you just visiting Grooverider?)

 

Nah, i'm over in offices in Holland conducting experiments whilst it's quiet.

 

[Guest Hacienda]

So if he plays in the same vein and is not then sold in january will you be coming on here to make a public apology to Lowe?

 

Yes.

[Leicestersaint]

Some strange comments on here - keeping Lallana is a good thing and shows there is some ambition at the club. Good news I say.

[aintforever]

Were the moves of Bridge, Richards, Beattie, Walcott and Bale down the players and their agents wanting to move to clubs doing better than we were or were they 'cashed in on' by that nasty Wupert?

 

Bit of both I expect. I don't know the goings on behind those or any other transfers, and neither do you so stop talking out your ass.

[CB Fry]

Bit of both I expect. I don't know the goings on behind those or any other transfers, and neither do you so stop talking out your ass.

 

 

Bit of both, he says.

 

Richards was dragged out of SMS kicking and screaming was he? No, he handed in a transfer request.

 

Bridge? Handed in a transfer request.

 

Beattie - don't know about you, but I thought we held off Villa and Everton who both came in with bids during the Luggy summer and he didn't go (although, of course, Lowe sells everything that isn't nailed down ). He went when it probably made sense and to free up cash for our "saviour" that saggy faced c @ nt.

 

Walcott? Probably in the top ten transfer deals for the selling club of all time.

 

Bale? Very, very similar. Have a look at what Palace have got for some of their starlets recently.

 

So there's my side.

 

Please enlighten with one shred of insight into how any one of those transfers were nasty evil old Rupert was cashing in on players that bled red and white and were desperate to stay for the sake of the great fans in the Northam?

 

If you've got nothing, then it's not a "bit of both", is it?

[OldNick]

Bit of both, he says.

 

Richards was dragged out of SMS kicking and screaming was he? No, he handed in a transfer request.

 

Bridge? Handed in a transfer request.

 

Beattie - don't know about you, but I thought we held off Villa and Everton who both came in with bids during the Luggy summer and he didn't go (although, of course, Lowe sells everything that isn't nailed down ). He went when it probably made sense and to free up cash for our "saviour" that saggy faced c @ nt.

 

Walcott? Probably in the top ten transfer deals for the selling club of all time.

 

Bale? Very, very similar. Have a look at what Palace have got for some of their starlets recently.

 

So there's my side.

 

Please enlighten with one shred of insight into how any one of those transfers were nasty evil old Rupert was cashing in on players that bled red and white and were desperate to stay for the sake of the great fans in the Northam?

 

If you've got nothing, then it's not a "bit of both", is it?

Careful or you might be classed as a numptie by some on here.

[Greenridge]

Careful or you might be classed as a numptie by some on here.

 

Nick why do you take things so personally? I'm not sure who referred to you as a numpty but I'm sure it wasn't malicous. Opinions expressed on this forum are just that - opinions. They are, for the most part, based on limited knowledge of the actual facts of the matter in hand.

 

We often only hear one side of the story and that of course is from the Club and they will want to show themselves in a positive light. In the same way when clubs and managers go their own ways through 'mutual consent' it's often the case that this is not really fact but gives both parties a no-blame way out of the situation. I'm sure we're all worldy-wise enough to acknowledge that there is some artistic license to what is written on the OS with reference to players leaving.

[labibs]

Bit of both, he says.

 

Richards was dragged out of SMS kicking and screaming was he? No, he handed in a transfer request.

 

Bridge? Handed in a transfer request.

 

Beattie - don't know about you, but I thought we held off Villa and Everton who both came in with bids during the Luggy summer and he didn't go (although, of course, Lowe sells everything that isn't nailed down ). He went when it probably made sense and to free up cash for our "saviour" that saggy faced c @ nt.

 

Walcott? Probably in the top ten transfer deals for the selling club of all time.

 

Bale? Very, very similar. Have a look at what Palace have got for some of their starlets recently.

 

So there's my side.

 

Please enlighten with one shred of insight into how any one of those transfers were nasty evil old Rupert was cashing in on players that bled red and white and were desperate to stay for the sake of the great fans in the Northam?

 

If you've got nothing, then it's not a "bit of both", is it?

 

 

Completely agree. Also you have to consider our wage structure at the time. Even when in the prem. All of those players would have recieved a wage form their new club that would have been vastly over outside of our wage structure at the time they were sold.

[OldNick]

Nick why do you take things so personally? I'm not sure who referred to you as a numpty but I'm sure it wasn't malicous. Opinions expressed on this forum are just that - opinions. They are, for the most part, based on limited knowledge of the actual facts of the matter in hand.

 

We often only hear one side of the story and that of course is from the Club and they will want to show themselves in a positive light. In the same way when clubs and managers go their own ways through 'mutual consent' it's often the case that this is not really fact but gives both parties a no-blame way out of the situation. I'm sure we're all worldy-wise enough to acknowledge that there is some artistic license to what is written on the OS with reference to players leaving.

Funnily i dont take it personally but when a generalisation is made because some can see that AD etc was not dragged from the club, and then told we are stupid because we see it differently. Sarcasm may be the only way to deal with it.

Channons Sideburns said it,perhaps without thinking / in frustration, or because he meant it. He's a long time supporting fan and so I respect his views and sometimes (rarely we agree, but that doesnt matter) we do find common ground.As with you, as long as its civilised thats all that matters as we all want the same thing.

[Thedelldays]

Bit of both, he says.

 

Richards was dragged out of SMS kicking and screaming was he? No, he handed in a transfer request.

 

Bridge? Handed in a transfer request.

 

Beattie - don't know about you, but I thought we held off Villa and Everton who both came in with bids during the Luggy summer and he didn't go (although, of course, Lowe sells everything that isn't nailed down ). He went when it probably made sense and to free up cash for our "saviour" that saggy faced c @ nt.

 

Walcott? Probably in the top ten transfer deals for the selling club of all time.

 

Bale? Very, very similar. Have a look at what Palace have got for some of their starlets recently.

 

So there's my side.

 

Please enlighten with one shred of insight into how any one of those transfers were nasty evil old Rupert was cashing in on players that bled red and white and were desperate to stay for the sake of the great fans in the Northam?

 

If you've got nothing, then it's not a "bit of both", is it?

 

 

brilliant post

[aintforever]

Bit of both, he says.

 

Richards was dragged out of SMS kicking and screaming was he? No, he handed in a transfer request.

 

Bridge? Handed in a transfer request.

 

Beattie - don't know about you, but I thought we held off Villa and Everton who both came in with bids during the Luggy summer and he didn't go (although, of course, Lowe sells everything that isn't nailed down ). He went when it probably made sense and to free up cash for our "saviour" that saggy faced c @ nt.

 

Walcott? Probably in the top ten transfer deals for the selling club of all time.

 

Bale? Very, very similar. Have a look at what Palace have got for some of their starlets recently.

 

So there's my side.

 

Please enlighten with one shred of insight into how any one of those transfers were nasty evil old Rupert was cashing in on players that bled red and white and were desperate to stay for the sake of the great fans in the Northam?

 

If you've got nothing, then it's not a "bit of both", is it?

 

I didn't say anyone was desperate to stay, or that nasty Rupert forced anyone out. All I said is that we don't know what went on behind the scenes so to say we know as a fact that Lowe won't actively try and sell Lallana in January is rubbish.

 

Lowe wasn't even at the club when we sold Bale anyway so I don't know why you even mentioned him.

[NickG]

The super positives do not like any postings on here that are realistic, they all want to put their head in the sand

 

how are you able to say what is "real" within the club? If not how can you judge who is realistic or not?

[Wes Tender]

this thread should be about praising lowes decisions to reject the bids for our younger players. He knows we can get far more for them at a later stage.

 

Well, if you go back to the first post on the thread by the originator, you'll see that it isn't about that.

 

If you wish there to be a thread about that, then perhaps you'd care to start one...

 

PS. I'm also incredulous that you claim to know what Lowe believes. Can you explain how and whilst about it, explain what he plans to do if somebody offers money for his shareholding. What price would he find acceptable?

Edited 4 September, 2008 by Wes Tender

[ottery st mary]

In case I am called a numpty/ numptie at any stage can we agree on one spelling

as I then know for sure what I am.

[OldNick]

In case I am called a numpty/ numptie at any stage can we agree on one spelling

as I then know for sure what I am.

Im sure you know what you are OSM

[Window Cleaner]

In case I am called a numpty/ numptie at any stage can we agree on one spelling

as I then know for sure what I am.

 

,

Err don't get too many numpties in Devon, Darwin,Adelaide perhaps but not Devon,it's a stryne word with a very definite meaning.

.

[derry]

As of last Saturday neither wanted to leave.

[exit2]

Richards was dragged out of SMS kicking and screaming was he? No, he handed in a transfer request.

 

Bridge? Handed in a transfer request.

 

Yep your right both players did hand in a transfer request. The reasoning behind is that once they have done they waver all remaining payments of signing on fees, appearance monies, contractual monies and appearance money from the pot. It happens all over the leagues especially when a big money move is on the cards for the player. On the other hand if a club wishs to sell a player, then the club still has to honour a percentage of the lost wages from that contract. People read to much into this transfer request business as personally I think it like a back hander.

[Guest Hacienda]

When the bank comes a calling in the New Year does anyone really believe that any of our good young players won't be sold if a decent offer comes in, regardless of our league position?

 

We will sell the quality and fall short in the league instead of keeping a young squad together and building on it.

 

All, of course, IMHO.

[Professor]

It is laughable that RL sells the players he gets stick , he turns down offers and he still gets stick.

There is no reason why the club couldnt of taken 300k for him and had a healthy sell on clause if we wished to get some money in.No the club turned an offer down as they think he is required.Why do we alwayus put negatives into something that shoukld be seen as positive?

The club is in the financial mire but still turned down the chance to sell.Well done Saints

Some people who have put so much effort into debasing Rupert Lowe for a long time now, they can't change their tune without losing their own self-respect, so they have to keep justifying their position to themselves by criticising everything he does, or doesn't do. Nickh is right, in the eyes of the extreme anti-Lower, Lowe can never win and can never redeem himself.

Personally, I don't care who runs the club as long as it is someone with the relevant experience and with good business skills. Others could do it as well as Lowe, or better, but there are plenty who could do it worse, and some of those have already tried and there aren't people better than Lowe lining up to take over! What I object to is the constant carping at the people who are running it.

Since Lowe came back, its hard to find anything that can honestly be complained about, so the antis are complaining about what might happen or are picking on ever smaller issues! It would be laughable, if it wasn't sad.

Following your football team should be FUN. There are people on here I wouldn't share a beer with to talk Saints because its depressing enough when you see some of the names and know in advance that it will be another negative (sorry, 'realistic') rant. Shame we can't have a thread on 'I absolutely and totally hate Rupert Lowe' that some people could vent their spleen in, and the rest of us could ignore!

PS. Good for Saints in rejecting the bid for Lallana. It tells us that the budget approach to financial management is working.

Edited 4 September, 2008 by Professor

[THEVMAN]

The funny thing is Adam new nothing about the interest when asked by the Daily Echo reporter.

[scooby]

There are those here whose oft repeated opinion of Lowe is that he would sell any of the players as soon as anyone showed him some money. If we did reject a bid for Lallana then this goes against their belief so they then have to start saying 'he will be gone in January then' rather than admit their opinion of Lowe might be wrong.

 

These people will never admit they are wrong when it comes to Lowe. Can't see past their own bile and class consciousness.

[aintforever]

I really don't know why this has turned into a Lowe slanging match, the fact that the club has tuned down an offer for lallana means naff all - it just means Fulham didn't offfer enough money. It's obviously a good thing that lallana is still here. It's obviously a good thing that we are not so skint that we have to sell. But it's not a good thing that Fulham are sniffing around one of our best players.

 

Wether Lowe should be noshed off or slated over this totally depends on what was offered by Fulham. If Fulham offered 100K then I supose we could congratulate Lowe on not being clinically insane and accepting the offer - hardley cause for noshing him off though. If they offered a few million then we can actually say well done to Lowe. If they offered 10mill then we can slate Lowe for being a fool and depriving us of much needed funds. The facts are none of us know so what is the point in rowing over it?

[ottery st mary]

Im sure you know what you are OSM

 

I'm not so sure now that Kevin has left management for the 100th time.

I am a fan and at one time I was advocating him as a possible manager for us.

To be fair to him if Dennis the menace had come in as a football Director above me I would have walked. So my opinion at the moment is shattered.

One thing for sure things may not be so bad at Saints after all.

Glad we kept Lallana and hopefully for as long as is possible.