Slow, Slow, Why?

[david in sweden]

Why is it taking so long to bring in his back staff and a couple of players?

 

The longer it goes on the more I'm worried Pardew is operating on a mean budget as he needs to sell Saga, Rasiak etc before bringing in new faces.

 

Might get slated for my patience but I bet many share it with me!

 

 

RELAX,! RELAX! Pilchards,

...maybe AP hasn't told us yet - but he obviously has a few names in mind.

 

The transfer deadline isn't until the END of August, and if we've won our first four games by then, neither you or anyone else will care a tinkers cuss.

[Jimmy Gabriel's Halo]

If you read the post properly,he said he was waiting at a red light.

 

I think you'll find that that is irrelevent in terms of legality, not to mention downright stupidity. If you recall, it wasn't that long ago that some dumb-arse female driver killed a cyclist in this region because she was......guess what?..............yes, texting. Whether I can read properly or not does not come into it. The simple fact is it's illegal as is making or receiving a call with the car engine running and not parked up properly with the handbrake on. I refer you to the Highway Code.

[Iowsaintsfan]

Id still like to see Gus Poyet as the number 2

[EBS1980]

After reading his quite brilliant training session report the other day, I tend to share your faith in him. Don't let us down Pilchards!

 

Are you able to do a link to this training thread please?

[Joensuu]

Are you able to do a link to this training thread please?

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15093

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Previous lot tried to build the team around the youth that we already had here. They tried to mix in the right blend of experience (wooton, perry and others) to compliment the youth.

 

AP seems to want to do the same thing as the previous lot and by the sounds of it believes that the tallent is there but the mix has been wrong.

 

I have no problem slating the last lot for getting things wrong but the ideas behind what they did are the same now as they were then. AP should at least be able to get more right as he is a much better manager than the previous 2 we have had. The hearts game suggests he has got something right and hopefully by the time we play Milwall we will be looking pretty strong.

 

A lot of the problems of last season was an in ability to alter the system we played - playing one up front at home was just not the way to go - It worked away from home where you are looking to hit teams on the break but it was certainly not the way forward at SMS.

 

Already AP has used two banks of four at home with the orthodox two up front. Having a new manager allows all players to have a clean slate and impress a new man - its like we have a whole new team anyway now the manical shackles of RL have been thrown to the wind so lets give him and the new board a little bit of time to make some assesments. We also have the best keeper in the division by far so there is no need to panic.

[Saint in Paradise]

I think you'll find that that is irrelevent in terms of legality' date=' not to mention downright stupidity. If you recall, it wasn't that long ago that some dumb-arse female driver killed a cyclist in this region because she was......guess what?..............yes, texting. Whether I can read properly or not does not come into it. The simple fact is it's illegal as is making or receiving a call with the[b'] car engine running[/b] and not parked up properly with the handbrake on. I refer you to the Highway Code.

 

Good job his car engine was turned off then.

"I was texting that at the train crossing with my car engine off and rushed it abit."

[spank_182]

Exactly!

Thanks for clearing this up...

 

Back on topic now me thinks.

 

I have a feeling we are going to hear some good news on Tuesday regarding a permanent signing.

 

It's Tuesday - any news yet?! Please!

[Saint Billy]

Why is it taking so long to bring in his back staff and a couple of players?

 

The longer it goes on the more I'm worried Pardew is operating on a mean budget as he needs to sell Saga, Rasiak etc before bringing in new faces.

 

Might get slated for my patience but I bet many share it with me!

 

I have to admit that I am now a little nervous with the lack of movement with regards to new signings and staff especially after last nights defeat at Farnborough, which has proven (if we need any) that we are very weak as far as backup is concerned.

 

Although some are stating that we have got till the end of Aug when the transfer window ends, is'nt it important that we get off to the best possible start to narrow down the -10 asap.

 

I still have every faith in AP and hopefully he is keeping his cards close to his chest, but what is a worry is that even throwing about a bit of cash may not be enough to get good enough players to join a league 1 club on -10.

[SaintRichmond]

After last night ... ie 1 - 2

 

Get rid of Henderson

 

Mr Pardew .... Appoint your OWN "staff" NOW !!!!!!!!

 

 

Simples

[sussexsaint]

I agree been surprised by the lack of 'movement' although the way the new regime works ie in a very dignified and quiet manor I am sure there is a hiove of activity behind the scenes and they will only tell us what is going on when it suits them to do so

[MerceSaint28]

Please stop signing off with "simples" Saint Richmond, its really annoying and not in the least bit funny. You sound like one of those kids off the Inbetweeners.

Sort it out !

[Charlie Wayman]

Poor old AP, damned if you don't, damned if you do. If he cam with a preconceived list and signed them you'd moan because he knew nothing about Saints and how those blokes would fit in, now he is here give him some time to understand what he's got and what he needs..

 

We used to call it S.W.O.T. analysis in business and it didn't stand for Sign Worthless Old Tossers

[lambtiss]

Poor old AP, damned if you don't, damned if you do. If he cam with a preconceived list and signed them you'd moan because he knew nothing about Saints and how those blokes would fit in, now he is here give him some time to understand what he's got and what he needs..

 

Bang on the money Charlie.

[aintforever]

I think it's good that Pardew is taking his time in assessing the squad and working out which players we need.

 

You would have thought Saints fans would have learned the value in that by now after watching Burley **** millions up against a tree doing dumb things like pay millions for Skacel when the bet young midfielder at the club plays left midfield. Or spunk money on Euell and start the season without a proper centre back.

 

Promotion this season is not likely even with a good team thanks to the -10, there is every reason to take a carefull, long term approach.

[Give it to Ron]

Its not the playing staff I am a bit concerned about but his backup team. I thought when AP was appointed he would of got his right hand man sorted very quickly as he cant do everything on his own.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

What I find interesting (& frustrating in equal measure) is the lack of news 'leaks'.

 

Under previous regimes, there were always ITK posters on the board who correctly released information prior to it's official release. Now, apart from comments from Pilchards', there don't seem to be many rumours coming forth. For instance, we didn't know Harding was going to sign until it was a done deal. This makes me believe either nothing much is happening (surely unlikely given the lack of staff or experienced players) or cards are being played very close to the chest (some may call it 'professionalism').

[aintforever]

Its not the playing staff I am a bit concerned about but his backup team. I thought when AP was appointed he would of got his right hand man sorted very quickly as he cant do everything on his own.

 

I'm guessing that if he thought he urgently needed a right hand man he would hire one, if he didn't he wouldn't.

[The9]

What I find interesting (& frustrating in equal measure) is the lack of news 'leaks'.

 

Under previous regimes, there were always ITK posters on the board who correctly released information prior to it's official release. Now, apart from comments from Pilchards', there don't seem to be many rumours coming forth. For instance, we didn't know Harding was going to sign until it was a done deal. This makes me believe either nothing much is happening (surely unlikely given the lack of staff or experienced players) or cards are being played very close to the chest (some may call it 'professionalism').

 

It's going to take a little while for the usual suspects to gain Mr Pardew's confidence, I should think.

[Give it to Ron]

I'm guessing that if he thought he urgently needed a right hand man he would hire one, if he didn't he wouldn't.

 

Wel I was basing this on the article that said he was spending too much time on the phone and talking to agents and not enough time on the training ground.

[Glasgow_Saint]

It's going to take a little while for the usual suspects to gain Mr Pardew's confidence, I should think.

 

Verbal Kint?

 

In all seriousness, the 'usual suspects' are right to question the speed of response from Saints.

 

If nothing else, the optomism I felt 2 weeks ago is slowly leaking away.

 

We need a boost (or 4) to bring back some euphoria.

[SFKA South Woodford]

Poor old AP, damned if you don't, damned if you do. If he cam with a preconceived list and signed them you'd moan because he knew nothing about Saints and how those blokes would fit in, now he is here give him some time to understand what he's got and what he needs..

 

We used to call it S.W.O.T. analysis in business and it didn't stand for Sign Worthless Old Tossers

 

He's had almost a week and a half to analyse the squad and in that time the squad have played four matches, how much more time does he really need?

 

The two results from the games in which the back up players have been utilised, should tell him all he really needs to know about the squad, mainly what we all know. That we barely have a team of 11 players, let alone the squad of 16-22 players that will be required for a full season of league football.

 

It would have been a different story if we had kept hold of a few more of the players we had and then added to that squad, but we not only had a weak squad in the first place, but have lost most of the best players from it.

 

I'm not saying we should go out and sign a Dele Adabola type just to add to the squad strength and who looked half decent for five minutes in one match, but there are players out there with proven ability or players that Pardew would have seen scouting reports for, either from our scouts or scouts at his previous clubs, which with inaction will be lost to other teams.

 

With less than two weeks to the start of the season, we need players for the squad, or we'll be in the same situation as last season, of playing boys against men, and look at the results of that, relegation, dwindling attendances, fan infighting and losing or drawing matches almost every week.

 

We don't have to be in that position this season, so lets not start that way again.

[The9]

Verbal Kint?

 

In all seriousness, the 'usual suspects' are right to question the speed of response from Saints.

 

If nothing else, the optomism I felt 2 weeks ago is slowly leaking away.

 

We need a boost (or 4) to bring back some euphoria.

 

Really ? Then I suggest you go and support Man U, you're clearly not suited to watching Saints.

 

The "usual suspects" I'm talking to are the people who leak the stories to the masses, nothing to do with posters on here per se.

Edited 28 July, 2009 by The9

[JustMike]

Verbal Kint?

 

In all seriousness, the 'usual suspects' are right to question the speed of response from Saints.

 

If nothing else, the optomism I felt 2 weeks ago is slowly leaking away.

 

We need a boost (or 4) to bring back some euphoria.

 

 

hahaha please shut up!!! AP has been here for 5 minutes and people are already moaning!! FFS

[The9]

He's had almost a week and a half to analyse the squad and in that time the squad have played four matches, how much more time does he really need?

 

The two results from the games in which the back up players have been utilised, should tell him all he really needs to know about the squad, mainly what we all know. That we barely have a team of 11 players, let alone the squad of 16-22 players that will be required for a full season of league football.

 

It would have been a different story if we had kept hold of a few more of the players we had and then added to that squad, but we not only had a weak squad in the first place, but have lost most of the best players from it.

 

I'm not saying we should go out and sign a Dele Adabola type just to add to the squad strength and who looked half decent for five minutes in one match, but there are players out there with proven ability or players that Pardew would have seen scouting reports for, either from our scouts or scouts at his previous clubs, which with inaction will be lost to other teams.

 

With less than two weeks to the start of the season, we need players for the squad, or we'll be in the same situation as last season, of playing boys against men, and look at the results of that, relegation, dwindling attendances, fan infighting and losing or drawing matches almost every week.

 

We don't have to be in that position this season, so lets not start that way again.

 

To be fair I can look at the squad list of 33 players (minus 4 gaps = 29, minus 5 keepers, 24, minus anyone under 22, leaving about 8, take off Wotton and Pulis for obvious reasons) and see that our 6-or-so outfield players of competent experienced professional age probably isn't enough to last a 46 game season... but I'm not up in arms because the manager has "only" signed one decent left back, has a decent right back on trial and has already offered a top scorer from the league above the season before last a deal... in his first week.

 

I think there's a massive amount of overreaction and knee-jerking (as usual), this time based on Burley's centre-back tardiness a few years ago - thet's if there's any rationale behind the whining at all.

[SNSUN]

We all know there will be signings by next Saturday, it's just a case of when! Literally every second that goes by grates on the conscience! SSN is being overworked in my house!

[Glasgow_Saint]

Really ? Then I suggest you go and support Man U, you're clearly not suited to watching Saints.

 

 

What a stupid comment- how does me wanting/expecting more make me not suited to supporting Saints? Did you start supporting Saints as you decided doing nothing and accepting mediocrity was your ‘thing’?

[Glasgow_Saint]

hahaha please shut up!!! AP has been here for 5 minutes and people are already moaning!! FFS

 

AP has been here a week and a half and in that time we have signed Harding (who is an unknown) we have no backroom staff and no significant signings.

 

Saints have sold/lost seven 1st team squad players since end of last season – we have bought in just one.

 

In terms of position and preparation we are bottom of the league!

[JustMike]

AP has been here a week and a half and in that time we have signed Harding (who is an unknown) we have no backroom staff and no significant signings.

 

Saints have sold/lost seven 1st team squad players since end of last season – we have bought in just one.

 

In terms of position and preparation we are bottom of the league!

 

so in 7 working days you expect the whole team to be totally transformed do you?

 

Yes, we are bottom of the league in terms of prep but thats hardly AP fault. If you are looking for blame then i suggest you look no further than Pinnacle, without their time wasting we would have been well on the way to being set.

 

Honestly, some people on here will just moan for the sake of moaning and will never be happy.

[Gingeletiss]

We've tried throwing a load of sh*t against the wall and hoping some of it sticks. It didn't - during either the Redknapp or Burley eras.

 

We've tried avoiding the transfer market in the belief that our kids could carry the load. They couldn't - at any point during the hideous Dutch experiment.

 

What we haven't tried for quite some time is building a good system around the available talent and acting decisively to address weaknesses within financially acceptable parameters.

 

The prerequisite for that is A) having a system that works, B) taking the time to figure out who fits within it and who doesn't, and C) establishing who wants to be here and who doesn't.

 

A fair bit of that happened last week and at the weekend, and I'd expect the transfers to start arriving this week.

 

Well said again.....alas there are those on here who want it now, and will ignore the commonsense approach.

[WATERSIDEIFASAINT]

I am getting worried that all the players AP wants don't want to come here hence no signings so far so he is probably onto the B or C list.It is hopefully clear to him that players like Pulis and Molyneux are just not good enough and a lot of the kids won't be ready this season.

[JustMike]

Well said again.....alas there are those on here who want it now, and will ignore the common sense approach.

 

if they ever had it in the first place

[saint stu 20]

AP has been here a week and a half and in that time we have signed Harding (who is an unknown) we have no backroom staff and no significant signings.

 

Saints have sold/lost seven 1st team squad players since end of last season – we have bought in just one.

 

In terms of position and preparation we are bottom of the league!

 

harding is hardly unknown, youve got to give it time, in a week and half AP has got to look at the whole club, decide what dead wood (staff) he wants to lose and where he needs to strengthen. hes had one proper game in charge to look at the players and how they react to his training, tactics, management etc therefore he like any manager will of course have some sort of idea as to where he can strengthen, however hes got to be fair and see if the others have got something in them he can use before bringing definates in. have paitience!!!

[The9]

If nothing else, the optomism I felt 2 weeks ago is slowly leaking away.

 

We need a boost (or 4) to bring back some euphoria.

 

What a stupid comment- how does me wanting/expecting more make me not suited to supporting Saints? Did you start supporting Saints as you decided doing nothing and accepting mediocrity was your ‘thing’?

 

It's not stupid at all, you're showing all the qualities associated with a faux-bothered, impatient, plastic replica shirt-wearer from the other side of the planet who expects "his" club to give him an ego-boost through their achievements every five minutes and starts getting narky when they don't live up to his over-inflated expectations.

 

We're Saints, we've lost more matches in the past 20 years than anyone else in English league football (or whatever that stat was 4 years ago, it hasn't changed), learn to temper it a bit and you might enjoy the successes more. You're up there with the n0bbers at the Bournemouth friendly singing "we've got £2.5 billion" like it was some kind of achievement in its own right.

 

You've had two weeks of pre-season and are getting tetchy for something to happen to "bring back euphoria"? We don't even play a competitive match for another 10 days.

 

And actually, I started supporting Saints because the side I had been following went bankrupt after 17 years of mediocrity in my lifetime. Why, is choosing where you're going to live for 3 years as a student by deciding to watch a mid-table first division side that's managed by Ian Branfoot a sign of plasticity now ?

[JustMike]

oh no!!! another minute has gone by and nothing has changed!! AP out ;-)

[Thedelldays]

oooooooh

 

check The9 out being an Uber fan....

[JustMike]

oooooooh

 

check The9 out being an Uber fan....

 

hardly!!! And for what its worth, i agree with what he is saying.

[The9]

oooooooh

 

check The9 out being an Uber fan....

 

I don't think following Saints under Branfoot is all that rare, and nor is being cheesed off with plastics or overly-impatient bell-ends.

[Thedelldays]

hardly!!! And for what its worth, i agree with what he is saying.

who is to say who is right or wrong,,,both sides of the arguement have very valid points...why should one **** off and support man u..?

[Glasgow_Saint]

so in 7 working days you expect the whole team to be totally transformed do you?

 

Yes, we are bottom of the league in terms of prep but thats hardly AP fault. If you are looking for blame then i suggest you look no further than Pinnacle, without their time wasting we would have been well on the way to being set.

 

Honestly, some people on here will just moan for the sake of moaning and will never be happy.

 

Where have I said that I expect the whole team transformed? And where have I 'blamed' AP?

 

Honestly some people on here will just make up sh1t to fit there agenda and will never be happy.

 

All I have said is following the excitement of the new owner and manager appointment, I expected the wave of optomism to continue with one or two more signings by now.

 

Dont put words into my mouth

[JustMike]

who is to say who is right or wrong,,,both sides of the arguement have very valid points...why should one **** off and support man u..?

 

No, both sides do not have valid points. How can anyone seriously moan about the lack of activity after just 7 working days in charge?

 

the9 was merely saying that if you want everything instant, go and support Man U. Its going to take time to rebuild Saints.

[Saint Billy]

so in 7 working days you expect the whole team to be totally transformed do you?

 

Yes, we are bottom of the league in terms of prep but thats hardly AP fault. If you are looking for blame then i suggest you look no further than Pinnacle, without their time wasting we would have been well on the way to being set.

 

Honestly, some people on here will just moan for the sake of moaning and will never be happy.

 

Oh behave.

 

In this new era of sfc, some of us are anxious to see a competitive side put together asap. Time is not our friend, nor is a weak team, nor is starting on -10. Half the team has been sold or has left.

 

We historically start the season badly, for the last few seasons we have always started with a team that is gelling.

 

No one is slating AP, just some are getting anxious bearing in mind the past. This is an open forum right, used for expressing opinions. If you want us to use it for information only, not possible atm, there is little on there.

[Thedelldays]

No, both sides do not have valid points. How can anyone seriously moan about the lack of activity after just 7 working days in charge?

 

the9 was merely saying that if you want everything instant, go and support Man U. Its going to take time to rebuild Saints.

ignorant to say the least

[Glasgow_Saint]

hardly!!! And for what its worth, i agree with what he is saying.

 

I'm glad - in all honesty I read 9's rambling and I dont think even he knows what he's saying.....so well done if you understood and extra points if you agree!!

[JustMike]

Verbal Kint?

 

In all seriousness, the 'usual suspects' are right to question the speed of response from Saints.

 

If nothing else, the optomism I felt 2 weeks ago is slowly leaking away.

 

We need a boost (or 4) to bring back some euphoria.

 

7 days!!!!

 

AP has been here a week and a half and in that time we have signed Harding (who is an unknown) we have no backroom staff and no significant signings.

 

Saints have sold/lost seven 1st team squad players since end of last season – we have bought in just one.

 

In terms of position and preparation we are bottom of the league!

 

sounds like blame to me

 

 

Where have I said that I expect the whole team transformed? And where have I 'blamed' AP?

 

Honestly some people on here will just make up sh1t to fit there agenda and will never be happy.

 

All I have said is following the excitement of the new owner and manager appointment, I expected the wave of optomism to continue with one or two more signings by now.

 

Dont put words into my mouth

 

pot and kettle

 

and i dont need to put words into your mouth, you have done that all by yourself

[Glasgow_Saint]

No, both sides do not have valid points. How can anyone seriously moan about the lack of activity after just 7 working days in charge?

 

the9 was merely saying that if you want everything instant, go and support Man U. Its going to take time to rebuild Saints.

 

Where has anyone said or suggested they want everything instantly?

 

You're talking crap!!

[The9]

who is to say who is right or wrong,,,both sides of the arguement have very valid points...why should one **** off and support man u..?

 

I just think he'd be in better company. And I didn't tell anyone to anything off, FTR.

 

Clearly Just Mike is the correct person to say who Just Mike thinks is right.

[JustMike]

Oh behave.

 

In this new era of sfc, some of us are anxious to see a competitive side put together asap. Time is not our friend, nor is a weak team, nor is starting on -10. Half the team has been sold or has left.

 

We historically start the season badly, for the last few seasons we have always started with a team that is gelling.

 

No one is slating AP, just some are getting anxious bearing in mind the past. This is an open forum right, used for expressing opinions. If you want us to use it for information only, not possible atm, there is little on there.

 

i am behaving :-)

 

Yes i want to see a competitive side but im not stupid enough to think that its going to happen in 7 days!

 

Yes, people are slating AP by saying...

 

"AP has been here a week and a half and in that time we have signed Harding (who is an unknown) we have no backroom staff and no significant signings."

 

Back at you with the opinion bit, if people really want to moan about this then at least they can expect people to counter it with common sense

[The9]

I'm glad - in all honesty I read 9's rambling and I dont think even he knows what he's saying.....so well done if you understood and extra points if you agree!!

 

Maybe you should read it more carefully then.

[Thedelldays]

i am behaving :-)

 

Yes i want to see a competitive side but im not stupid enough to think that its going to happen in 7 days!

 

Yes, people are slating AP by saying...

 

"AP has been here a week and a half and in that time we have signed Harding (who is an unknown) we have no backroom staff and no significant signings."

 

Back at you with the opinion bit, if people really want to moan about this then at least they can expect people to counter it with common sense

 

 

that is a fact though..and the person backed it up by saying he doesnto blame AP in anyway...was just HOPING that we would have a one or two more additions to the squad.

 

hardly "slating" as you call it