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Does anyone actually have any sympothy for them..?

 

I do not and hope they fall lower than we have...how many times do they (their fans) champion themselves as the best fans in the country..

 

Who remembers the abuse Sam Allardyce got from their fans...Big Sam miht not be everyones cuppa, but cant see them being in the CCC if they stuck by him and backed him..

 

they deserve to be where they are for being so potty about alan shearer being manager...who apparently "is close to walking away"..i would be delighted myelf...

 

Their biggest crime was sacking Bobby Robsen for not getting into the top 4...that man is a walking legend ffs

 

lets all LOL at them

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I'm loving their fall from grace. They really did think, probably still do, that they have a divine right to be amongst the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United.

 

I agree that they should have backed Sir Bobby when he was at the reigns, he was going in the right direction but they wanted too much too soon, if they had of played it cool, then maybe they would have broke into that elitist group by now.

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It used to be said that Newcastle were everybody's favourite second team. I think it was because they failed so often. It's probably why Saints were well thought of too. Kind of harmless, I guess. I remember the Beeb promoted a Toon V Saints FA Cup match [Dexter Blackstock goalkeeping one] a couple of seasons back, which headlined all the turmoil that both clubs were going through, so even they thought of both clubs as similar.

 

I have no gripe with Newcastle Utd. I wouldn't wish the last few seasons we've had on an enemy, and I'm not going to make them an exception. Ultimately, only Saints exist in my mind anyway, and the rest are there just to play us.

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They do "champion" themselves as the best fans in the country but I would say they aren't that far off the mark. They get 50,000 every week, have had a waiting list for ST's for years and have watched crap and won nothing. Who would you say were better? Man utd fans for watching success every year?

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I'm loving their fall from grace. They really did think, probably still do, that they have a divine right to be amongst the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United.

 

I agree that they should have backed Sir Bobby when he was at the reigns, he was going in the right direction but they wanted too much too soon, if they had of played it cool, then maybe they would have broke into that elitist group by now.

 

Pass that on to a few on here will you!!!

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heard a stat that when they went down last time their crowds were lower than ours have been - not quite the joke support of skates but not quite the image they try to portray!

 

I doubt that, even when they were down in the lower leagues they still had better crowds than we had.

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I hate this sort of complex a lot of our fans seem to have. Their fans are excellent, there is no two ways about that. They turn up in their droves irrespective of the football they play home and away, domestic and abroad.

 

The common misconception is that the build themselves up as some sort of ultra-super fanbase, when really it is the media that create all the hype and label them as "too big to go down". I have to say Newcastle fans went down and displayed more dignity than any other side in recent history. I probably counted two Newcastle fans on TV at Villa Park that were crying when they got relegated. The rest were singing and supporting their club the way it should be supported.

 

As for how they treated Bobby Robson, lest we not forget that since Robson left Newcastle he has had 2 seperate battles with cancer. The latest one appears to be getting the better of him. It wasnt the fans that were calling for his head, it was their chairman Freddie Shepherd. He then dropped a massive boob by appointing Graeme Souness who noone wanted in the first place. He then ensued to fall out with Newcastle's most effective players (Bellamy, Robert etc..) and dismantling a side that was almost there had they signed a competent manager in Robson's place.

 

By the time Souness deservedly got his marching orders, they had a squad full of big names that Souness signed out of desperation to keep the fans temporarily on side as things were going wrong on the pitch. This trend continued until Allardyce arrived.

 

He was constantly talking about steadying the club, which he has a point with but the club were playing truly shocking football. To the point where Newcastle's most influential players at the time were heading on their way out, dismayed with the techniques Allardyce was trying to adopt. Given, Martins, Owen, N'Zogbia all wanted out. In order the stop a mutiny, Ashley decided to get rid, NOT the fans. Its exactly the same reason Roque Santa Cruz wanted out the minute Allardyce arrived at Blackburn. Too much emphasis on grafters and not enough of players with sound technique. Enough to get a team consistently finishing mid-table but Newcastle United as a club were never going to be content with that being what they aspired to. When I say the club, I mean the fans, the board, the players, the marketing of the club... everything.

 

Since then, Ashley has done a range of desperate acts to appease the fanbase who could see the club was rotten at the core. He finally brings in a manager the fanbae approves of and will afford time to get things right as they trust him and know he prefers to encourage his players to play the right way, the players finally start showing some unity under Keegan and Ashley then decides to bring in Dennis Wise to have final say on all transfers over Keegan. Even the most blinkered fan should realise what a stupid move this is. Before people say it, Keegan was told he still had final say over first team transfers and Wise would be looking after the recruitment of the youngsters.

 

Keegan walked shortly after because it wasnt as had been sold to him. If it was, he would have stayed and they would have without doub stayed up last season following their first 2 results of the season, which happened under KK.

 

Mike Ashley has ruined that club and all their fans have done is turn up consistently in their thousands despite whats been happening. I cant understand this logic to laugh at their fans. Its the last thing they deserve. Seems like a real small-club attitude to take pleasure in the plight of someone else. I'm pretty sure you wouldnt go on a Newcastle United message board when we were in administration and find any posts displaying glee at our demise.

 

Yes I am reasonably well informed on Newcastle United issues as a lot of my family are Geordies.

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I hate this sort of complex a lot of our fans seem to have. Their fans are excellent, there is no two ways about that. They turn up in their droves irrespective of the football they play home and away, domestic and abroad.

 

The common misconception is that the build themselves up as some sort of ultra-super fanbase, when really it is the media that create all the hype and label them as "too big to go down". I have to say Newcastle fans went down and displayed more dignity than any other side in recent history. I probably counted two Newcastle fans on TV at Villa Park that were crying when they got relegated. The rest were singing and supporting their club the way it should be supported.

 

As for how they treated Bobby Robson, lest we not forget that since Robson left Newcastle he has had 2 seperate battles with cancer. The latest one appears to be getting the better of him. It wasnt the fans that were calling for his head, it was their chairman Freddie Shepherd. He then dropped a massive boob by appointing Graeme Souness who noone wanted in the first place. He then ensued to fall out with Newcastle's most effective players (Bellamy, Robert etc..) and dismantling a side that was almost there had they signed a competent manager in Robson's place.

 

By the time Souness deservedly got his marching orders, they had a squad full of big names that Souness signed out of desperation to keep the fans temporarily on side as things were going wrong on the pitch. This trend continued until Allardyce arrived.

 

He was constantly talking about steadying the club, which he has a point with but the club were playing truly shocking football. To the point where Newcastle's most influential players at the time were heading on their way out, dismayed with the techniques Allardyce was trying to adopt. Given, Martins, Owen, N'Zogbia all wanted out. In order the stop a mutiny, Ashley decided to get rid, NOT the fans. Its exactly the same reason Roque Santa Cruz wanted out the minute Allardyce arrived at Blackburn. Too much emphasis on grafters and not enough of players with sound technique. Enough to get a team consistently finishing mid-table but Newcastle United as a club were never going to be content with that being what they aspired to. When I say the club, I mean the fans, the board, the players, the marketing of the club... everything.

 

Since then, Ashley has done a range of desperate acts to appease the fanbase who could see the club was rotten at the core. He finally brings in a manager the fanbae approves of and will afford time to get things right as they trust him and know he prefers to encourage his players to play the right way, the players finally start showing some unity under Keegan and Ashley then decides to bring in Dennis Wise to have final say on all transfers over Keegan. Even the most blinkered fan should realise what a stupid move this is. Before people say it, Keegan was told he still had final say over first team transfers and Wise would be looking after the recruitment of the youngsters.

 

Keegan walked shortly after because it wasnt as had been sold to him. If it was, he would have stayed and they would have without doub stayed up last season following their first 2 results of the season, which happened under KK.

 

Mike Ashley has ruined that club and all their fans have done is turn up consistently in their thousands despite whats been happening. I cant understand this logic to laugh at their fans. Its the last thing they deserve. Seems like a real small-club attitude to take pleasure in the plight of someone else. I'm pretty sure you wouldnt go on a Newcastle United message board when we were in administration and find any posts displaying glee at our demise.

 

Yes I am reasonably well informed on Newcastle United issues as a lot of my family are Geordies.

 

I bet they would now though....

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I'm genuinely not sure they would. The Premier League really isnt the be all and end all. As a Saints fan, I havent missed it in the slightest. Its the most boring, predictable league in the world. The only real motivation for being there unless you support a top 4 side is for the money the club gets being in it. I would take a top 6 finish in the Championship every season than struggling year on year in the Premier League, waiting for that once in a blue moon you fluke a win over Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea.

 

Dont get me wrong, I'm sure Newcastle fans would want to be in the Premier League but not if mid-table was the best they could hope for. A club of that size and stature (say what you like but they are still the 14th richest side in the world in terms of revenue) should not be limiting their aspirations to that.

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heard a stat that when they went down last time their crowds were lower than ours have been - not quite the joke support of skates but not quite the image they try to portray!

 

I doubt that, even when they were down in the lower leagues they still had better crowds than we had.

 

Newcastle 16,000 1990 year they got relegated last time.

 

Saints 24,000 2004 year we got relegated

 

Portsmouth 8,000 in 1997. -just to show they are small club!

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I'm genuinely not sure they would. The Premier League really isnt the be all and end all. As a Saints fan, I havent missed it in the slightest. Its the most boring, predictable league in the world. The only real motivation for being there unless you support a top 4 side is for the money the club gets being in it. I would take a top 6 finish in the Championship every season than struggling year on year in the Premier League, waiting for that once in a blue moon you fluke a win over Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea.

 

Dont get me wrong, I'm sure Newcastle fans would want to be in the Premier League but not if mid-table was the best they could hope for. A club of that size and stature (say what you like but they are still the 14th richest side in the world in terms of revenue) should not be limiting their aspirations to that.

 

 

what a load of horse sht

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what a load of horse sht

 

Your response is as eloquent and well structured as always DD, but in fairness I come to expect nothing less from you.

 

What exactly is a load of horse sh*t? Lets take a club similar in stature to Newcastle in terms of fanbase, history of winning things and annual turnover. Tottenham for example. If mid-table was truly the best they could ever hope for, with the dullest possible brand of football and all their key players not wanting to play for the manager anymore do you think they'd keep hold of the manager in question or look at another manager who could play more progressive football and give them a fighting chance of pressing on and challenging a bit more.

 

I personally couldnt see them sticking with what they have.

 

Clubs like Bolton and Blackburn with poor fanbases and little history (bar 1995 when Jack Walker bought the Prem title for Blackburn) are simply just happy and content to be there. They have no brand of football to speak of and no history of producing real footballing talent.

 

Even Saints have a history of getting managers out who dont play football the right way. Branfoot being a good example. We have a rich tradition of producing good footballers and expect our team to attempt to play football the right way. Same as Newcastle.

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Your response is as eloquent and well structured as always DD, but in fairness I come to expect nothing less from you.

 

What exactly is a load of horse sh*t? Lets take a club similar in stature to Newcastle in terms of fanbase, history of winning things and annual turnover. Tottenham for example. If mid-table was truly the best they could ever hope for, with the dullest possible brand of football and all their key players not wanting to play for the manager anymore do you think they'd keep hold of the manager in question or look at another manager who could play more progressive football and give them a fighting chance of pressing on and challenging a bit more.

 

I personally couldnt see them sticking with what they have.

 

Clubs like Bolton and Blackburn with poor fanbases and little history (bar 1995 when Jack Walker bought the Prem title for Blackburn) are simply just happy and content to be there. They have no brand of football to speak of and no history of producing real footballing talent.

 

Even Saints have a history of getting managers out who dont play football the right way. Branfoot being a good example. We have a rich tradition of producing good footballers and expect our team to attempt to play football the right way. Same as Newcastle.

 

The last time Newcastle won anything my Dad was at Uni. They have hardly been prolific in their history and in the recent past they have been less succesful then Middlesbrough, the Skates and Wimbledon.

 

Newcastle are a mid sized club with unrealistic and overblown ambition, and they are now paying for it. They have good annual turnover because they sold themselves to the worlds media as something sepcial when they are not, very soon that will dry up. The media portrays them as a big club because thats what they want and Keegan's time in the sun with them in the mid 90's gave them merit. Now they are second teir it will all very quickly revert back to type, the far eastern 'fans' couldn't give a f*ck if the play S****horpe and Blackpool.

 

Ashley had a plan to run the club that was made untenable by their wonderful fans. He wanted to craft a sustainable infrastructure that could deliver youth players and supliment the first team and make them competitive like Arsenal have managed under Wenger. The 'fans' rejected it, mainly because, a) They thought Dennis Wise was a poor appointment as DOF because he was from London and b) They wanted Keegan to have a free reign regardless of consequence.

 

Keegan threw the same tantrum he did in the early 90's, despite KNOWING FULL WELL what Ashley wanted to do and demanded full control of every aspect of the footballing side of Newcastle Utd. This was against the contract he signed when he took over and rightfully he was dismissed. After seeing the 'Fans' reaction Ashley tried to compromise and get him back, but to no avail.... Keegan the child helped to bring down Newcastle Utd, not that the geordies would ever see it.

 

Now, a pariah and scapegoat Ashley wanted away from these ingrates who couldn't see that he had saved them from administration or worse by sinking hundreds of millions into a debt ridden club and got nothing but death threats and hatred. He had got in too deep to something he underestimated, no doubt, and now he was paying for it. He wanted out, who wants to manage a team with uncertain ownership!? The inevitable followed.

 

Who is to blame for their demise, all parties.

 

The fans for being idiots and having ideas above their station and no persepective about the staff involved in their club. Anyone who has seen MOTD can tell in three seconds that Shearer is not management material, yet they hailed him as a messiah. Fools.

 

Keegan for being a big baby and not abiding by the terms of the contract he signed with Ashley, he felt he could overule him because he is King Kev, incorrect. The spiral his departure created resulted in relegation.

 

Mike Ashley, for not realising how sh*te football fans can be if they hate you, regardless of your intent, plans and better intentions, if you don't 'fit,' you're f*cked. - The most innocent victim as far as I can tell, but not blameless by any means.

 

That club deserves everything it gets.

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The last time Newcastle won anything my Dad was at Uni. They have hardly been prolific in their history and in the recent past they have been less succesful then Middlesbrough, the Skates and Wimbledon.

 

Newcastle are a mid sized club with unrealistic and overblown ambition, and they are now paying for it. They have good annual turnover because they sold themselves to the worlds media as something sepcial when they are not, very soon that will dry up. The media portrays them as a big club because thats what they want and Keegan's time in the sun with them in the mid 90's gave them merit. Now they are second teir it will all very quickly revert back to type, the far eastern 'fans' couldn't give a f*ck if the play S****horpe and Blackpool.

 

Ashley had a plan to run the club that was made untenable by their wonderful fans. He wanted to craft a sustainable infrastructure that could deliver youth players and supliment the first team and make them competitive like Arsenal have managed under Wenger. The 'fans' rejected it, mainly because, a) They thought Dennis Wise was a poor appointment as DOF because he was from London and b) They wanted Keegan to have a free reign regardless of consequence.

 

Keegan threw the same tantrum he did in the early 90's, despite KNOWING FULL WELL what Ashley wanted to do and demanded full control of every aspect of the footballing side of Newcastle Utd. This was against the contract he signed when he took over and rightfully he was dismissed. After seeing the 'Fans' reaction Ashley tried to compromise and get him back, but to no avail.... Keegan the child helped to bring down Newcastle Utd, not that the geordies would ever see it.

 

Now, a pariah and scapegoat Ashley wanted away from these ingrates who couldn't see that he had saved them from administration or worse by sinking hundreds of millions into a debt ridden club and got nothing but death threats and hatred. He had got in too deep to something he underestimated, no doubt, and now he was paying for it. He wanted out, who wants to manage a team with uncertain ownership!? The inevitable followed.

 

Who is to blame for their demise, all parties.

 

The fans for being idiots and having ideas above their station and no persepective about the staff involved in their club. Anyone who has seen MOTD can tell in three seconds that Shearer is not management material, yet they hailed him as a messiah. Fools.

 

Keegan for being a big baby and not abiding by the terms of the contract he signed with Ashley, he felt he could overule him because he is King Kev, incorrect. The spiral his departure created resulted in relegation.

 

Mike Ashley, for not realising how sh*te football fans can be if they hate you, regardless of your intent, plans and better intentions, if you don't 'fit,' you're f*cked. - The most innocent victim as far as I can tell, but not blameless by any means.

 

That club deserves everything it gets.

 

 

Once again someone criticising Newcastle United chooses to be totally selective. I never once referred to their recent history, just their history in general. As far as I'm concerned, a club that has 4 league titles, twice finishing runner up and 6 FA Cup triumphs with 7 runner up spots plus a Fairs Cup is a decent history. Not great but certainly something that suggests they have tasted success in their history.

 

Regarding the clubs "overblown" ambition, do you not think fans who see the players coming through their doors for massive transfer fees would come to expect a bit of success over time? It's not them signing the players. Jesus. 3 years ago, Southampton signed Rudi Skacel and we all presumed we'd get promoted as a consequence. Imagine our reaction and expectations when big name and big money players like Owen, Emre, Boumsong, Martins, Coloccini, etc etc...

 

The fans didnt reject anything. They were all for someone overseeing the transfer policy over Keegan with regard to youngsters. When Keegan came in, he was told he was in charge of first team affairs and left because moves for defenders (players Newcastle actually needed) were vetoed in favour of signing nobodies from the Spanish league up front and in midfield. It's hard to do a job you are proven to be good at when your hands are tied behind your back.

 

As for Mike Ashley. He is a buffoon of the highest order. I could go into why but there is far too many reasons to point out now.

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A good friend of mine is a Geordie and, believe me, they don't all think they're better than they are and/or are hard done by.

 

Although he does think they'll be promoted this coming season, and probably with some ease. I assured him he was being naive if he thought the other 20 odd teams would just let them waltz straight back up.

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Their fans are excellent, there is no two ways about that. They turn up in their droves irrespective of the football they play home and away, domestic and abroad.

 

Yes I am reasonably well informed on Newcastle United issues as a lot of my family are Geordies.

 

Imagine our reaction and expectations when big name and big money players like Owen, Emre, Boumsong, Martins, Coloccini, etc etc....

 

Must have been difficult throughout those long posts to keep referring to 'them, they, their' evidenced by what you later posted, clearly you are a Newcastle fan, it may be due to your Geordie heritage, just do not understand why you did not disclose that from the off, a lot of my family are Irish but I know nothing about Linfield FC

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I hate this sort of complex a lot of our fans seem to have. Their fans are excellent, there is no two ways about that. They turn up in their droves irrespective of the football they play home and away, domestic and abroad.

 

A bit of a myth surely? During their last European run they averaged under 29 thousand for their home legs in a stadium that houses over 52 thousand.

 

I know our last European run was a little shorter, but 30,557 watched our draw with Steua, and we at least filled Saint Mary's while Saint James was only 55% full.

 

They are a well supported side with a hardcore who'll turn out in their thousands for the unveiling of a new ball boy, but they are just fans.

 

 

Newcastle 1 (0) - 1(1) Lillestrom 31,059

Newcastle 0 (0) - 0(0) Ventspils 30498

Newcastle 2 (0) - 1(0) Levadia Tallinn 27,012

Newcastle 1 (0) - 0(0) Fenerbahce 30035

Newcastle 2 (1) - 1(1) Celta Vigo 25079

Newcastle 1 (0) - 0(0) Waregem 30083

Newcastle 4 (4) - 2(1) AZ Alkmaar 28452

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Must have been difficult throughout those long posts to keep referring to 'them, they, their' evidenced by what you later posted, clearly you are a Newcastle fan, it may be due to your Geordie heritage, just do not understand why you did not disclose that from the off, a lot of my family are Irish but I know nothing about Linfield FC

 

If you actually read the post, the "our" he used was in relation to Saints.

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I did read the post, "Imagine our reaction and expectations WHEN" , Newcastle signed those players we did not, had he posted IF I would not have reached that conclusion

 

"It's not them signing the players. Jesus. 3 years ago, Southampton signed Rudi Skacel and we all presumed we'd get promoted as a consequence. Imagine our reaction and expectations when big name and big money players like Owen, Emre, Boumsong, Martins, Coloccini, etc etc... "

 

I was basically saying imagine our (Southampton fans) reaction if we signed some of the big money players they have signed. We all went mental when we signed Rudi Skacel, let alone the likes of Michael Owen or Martins or Emre or Duff etc...

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I was basically saying imagine our (Southampton fans) reaction if we signed some of the big money players they have signed. We all went mental when we signed Rudi Skacel, let alone the likes of Michael Owen or Martins or Emre or Duff etc...

who went mental over rudi..?

 

when you are the biggest spenders in the league where you are one of the biggest clubs...promotion is more than just an aspiration

 

comparing that to th madness of NUFC is stupid and cherry picking of examples

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Does any real fan of English football want to see clubs like Portsmouth or Newcastle go under. We can all have a chuckle about it, but when it comes down to the bottom line, Newcastle go under and others will, as sure as night follows day. I'm aware noone has mentioned it going to this extreme, but when old established clubs as Pompey,Newcastle and Saints are in such sad decline, I fear for the future of the Pemier league.

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Does any real fan of English football want to see clubs like Portsmouth or Newcastle go under. We can all have a chuckle about it, but when it comes down to the bottom line, Newcastle go under and others will, as sure as night follows day. I'm aware noone has mentioned it going to this extreme, but when old established clubs as Pompey,Newcastle and Saints are in such sad decline, I fear for the future of the Pemier league.

 

no, quite happy for skates to disappear.

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