Reality Check!

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I understand the clamour on here to look only forwards and bury the past but it's that 'fingers in ear' mentality that (only?) exists in the football world that people 'messing' with our club over the years have relied upon - in other words, they know they will 'get away with it' once the dust settles.

 

If these people knew that there would be in depth scrutiny and ACCOUNTABILITY of their actions after the event then they would think twice about mucking us around in the first place.

 

Looking back over what's happened serves to prevent reoccurences in the future, so, please...all those saying "forget the past, just look forward"... IMHO you can't successfully do the latter if you ignore the former.

 

Absolutely 100% spot on.

[Smirking_Saint]

Right to the same usual idiot arrogant posters.

I mentioned the UEFA B course because 3 of the people there are involved with professional clubs and also the fact MA was there, regardless off my qualifications or previous experiances with my work it was stating I was in a enept enviroment with those off an insight.

 

Lets get this right:

 

1)AP & ML are 110% the right men

2)I am greatful my club is saved

3)The size of the club should be monsterous in this league and setting a standard, regardless off -10.

4)AP seems to do a cracking job from what I read in Pilchards post. I am not knocking him in anyway.

 

5) I am just saying, when there's players we should be making a priority to sign

and not waiting soley for the bosman market, we are a big,big club in this league and we should be bringing in numbers as well as the right quality.

 

The usual suspects have 'surprisingly' got it wrong.....again

 

I don't think that is true, i just think you are slightly misguided and very impatient ??

 

So does the fact that you have obtained the B badge mean you are any more qualified in a football arguement ?? No, i think not, it just means you could be bothered to pay for the course when others could not.

 

It is not a quick thing signing players, this is not football manager, you have to identify, arrange meetings, negotiate wages/fees etc, medicals. It isn't an over night thing.

 

Currently AP has no backroom staff (of his own) and so he is attempting to strengthen and manage/coach and the same time, he also needs to assess his own players, and identify areas of weakness and possible improvement.

 

He is obviously trying hard to pick the best from the bosman market AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE as this is the market that is the most fluid and will change much more quickly over time, almost every club in the FL at the moment started earlier then we have, and we are very much on the back foot, the potential of the bosman market would have already have been scouted and negotiations begun with other clubs, AP now has to fight to the negotiating table as he has only been here all of what a week ??

 

He then IMO will move onto the slightly less changeable contracted player markets if he needs to (which i agree he does), he can then look at these areas and move on from there.

 

It is madness to do this the other way round as IMO not many clubs will be able to make offers for contracted players and so this market will move slower than that of the bosman which is pretty much fair game and whomever moves quickest.

[Wes Tender]

Absolutely 100% spot on.

 

So I look forward with keen anticipation to reading your warts and all account of events when you come to write your historical perspective on it all, Duncan.

[Tac-tics]

I don't think that is true, i just think you are slightly misguided and very impatient ??

 

So does the fact that you have obtained the B badge mean you are any more qualified in a football arguement ?? No, i think not, it just means you could be bothered to pay for the course when others could not.

 

 

For god sake, I am stating its the enviroment I was in and the people who was there!

I had to sit the course for my job, its got nothing to do with what you say.

 

I know how transfers work, in one of AP statements he said he was JUST focussing in the bosman market thats it, today he's turned around and said he's spent all week on the phone so I am pleased.

 

Im not expecting Saints to hit the ground running but its an attempt that Im WAS worried about but AP has filled me with confidence.

 

You do make a point regarding the fluidness off the markets.

 

Also Matt Holland is in talks

[Smirking_Saint]

For god sake, I am stating its the enviroment I was in and the people who was there!

I had to sit the course for my job, its got nothing to do with what you say.

 

I know how transfers work, in one of AP statements he said he was JUST focussing in the bosman market thats it, today he's turned around and said he's spent all week on the phone so I am pleased.

 

Im not expecting Saints to hit the ground running but its an attempt that Im WAS worried about but AP has filled me with confidence.

 

You do make a point regarding the fluidness off the markets.

 

Also Matt Holland is in talks

 

That was from yesterday morning though ???

 

And TBF, he said he is concentrating on the bosman for the moment which IMO is 100% the correct thing to do first, as when they are gone they are gone, and they will be snapped up quick.

 

I understand the people that were there but what you have said, they have said is nothing more than we all knew anyway ?? AP does need to get a shift on and in fairness i think he knows that.

 

If you have managed to get a decent paid job in coaching fair play, i looked at it but it's a long old ladder and had options elsewhere.

 

Who is it you coach for ?

[Tac-tics]

Im right at the foot of the ladder. Im only 18 and just started a job with Hampshire FA and a summer job with FA community scheme and have done alot of voluntary hours to get where I am, Im a lucky few.

[buctootim]

FFS the same typical posters.

 

I believe the new regime and AP are the right guys, singing from the same hym sheet and have impressed me with they have said, all I am saying is I think we should be acting different regarding the transfer market, I was just earmarking my view and if anyone shared it.

 

Personally I think AP will get it right, just not this season, we'll see

 

Hes been here less than week. Its a cleft stick. He needs to see what we've got and what we need before deciding on potentially uneccessary signings - but equally the season is fast approaching.

 

IMO he is looking to see who is good that he can get on a free before splashing whatever cash he has in order to get in the remaining players he needs to fill the rest of the holes. Whats wrong with that?

[Smirking_Saint]

Fair play, especially if you are getting them to pay for the courses, i looked at it off my own back when i was younger (17/18), got up to level 2 but then the prices start getting horrendous, done a bit of work with saints in community but was doing an apprenteship at the time so couldn't put my all into it, and then came the ACL injury and that was it for a while so i jacked it in.

 

Where did you hear about Matty Holland ??

[Tac-tics]

Fair play, especially if you are getting them to pay for the courses, i looked at it off my own back when i was younger (17/18), got up to level 2 but then the prices start getting horrendous, done a bit of work with saints in community but was doing an apprenteship at the time so couldn't put my all into it, and then came the ACL injury and that was it for a while so i jacked it in.

 

Where did you hear about Matty Holland ??

 

Yeah the prices are horrendous, I take a kids team at Hayling United who payed for my level 1 and 2 so Ive been pretty lucky.

 

Word at Staplewood, it is only talks.

[Chez]

Here, here.

 

It is a fact known only to a few posters on here that I am a referee who is currently working at CCC level. I have tried to keep this out of the public arena because of the grief that we referee's get. However, it is about time that people understood that my qualification in refereeing has given me an insight into the game that most posters will not have. I understand where Derry and Tic-Tacs are coming from.

 

I want it to be on record that I am well prepared to help AP out with any coaching. Maybe getting some of the youngsters to understand some of the rules and that kind of stuff. I can show the young uns how to take a throw on properly and that sort of thing.

 

no offence but refereing a game makes you no more qualified to coach than someone that watches football. Courses are great but we've seen lots of ex players more than adequately managing football clubs without any of the `required' FA qualifications.

[icehagman]

Just looking at who Norwich have signed, Saints really need to pull their socks up, sod the bosman market,theres plenty of targets who Saints should be signing up and missing out on. Grant Holt, Stephen Hughes,Simon Whaley,Rhoys Wiggins, Patrick Kisnorbo have all been signed by teams in our league. We are unbelieveabley weak, AP is wrong and should be snapping up players regardless if they have fee's, we need to hit the ground running, we're asking for big trouble....

 

edit: Pardew is'nt wrong, just concerned we have'nt been as strong in the market.

 

I can understand how you are thinking. It is always stressful to se our opponents strengthen their rosters(I have to take your word for it that they are though aside from Holt I am not familiar at all with any of those players). But we have to remember that AP has only been with the club for a week, and as new in the club he has to acknowledge what positions we must strengthen and which players on the market that might suit us.

 

I am quite sure there will be some action(or even a lot of, hopefully) done the coming week. If not, THEN it is time to get worried...

[derry]

How we deal with the ten point deficit will determine how successful we are. There are about eight teams that will be competing for promotion and the play offs.

 

If we can get a decent side with a winning mentality together and target successfully those games against the better sides we could negate the ten point deficit.

 

That is not saying be sloppy against the poorer sides who we would have to beat in any event, however a successful record of wins or avoiding defeat against the top teams will help us claw back the deficit. Losing to these teams will accentuate the deficit against our target and make it much more difficult to break into the top six.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Yes

[derry]

no offence but refereing a game makes you no more qualified to coach than someone that watches football. Courses are great but we've seen lots of ex players more than adequately managing football clubs without any of the `required' FA qualifications.

 

The courses really do open up the analytical thought processes. I was amazed at some of the thinking, and listening to professional coaches and players discussing the game was a real eye opener. Coaching is not managing and I personally think that in the main dedicated coaches make poor managers because of their technical approach.

 

The best managers appear to be common sense people that don't get bogged down in technicalities. Their interest is not coaching but managing, however most will have been to the courses.

 

League referees although we criticise them mostly from a partisan standpoint are a very knowledgeable bunch. I knew two and the difference between them and local referees was enormous. Their knowledge is anticipatory and they really have to read the play to keep up.

[Dalek2003]

I understand the clamour on here to look only forwards and bury the past but it's that 'fingers in ear' mentality that (only?) exists in the football world that people 'messing' with our club over the years have relied upon - in other words, they know they will 'get away with it' once the dust settles.

 

If these people knew that there would be in depth scrutiny and ACCOUNTABILITY of their actions after the event then they would think twice about mucking us around in the first place.

 

Looking back over what's happened serves to prevent reoccurences in the future, so, please...all those saying "forget the past, just look forward"... IMHO you can't successfully do the latter if you ignore the former.

 

 

I have been saying this for years but then again, there are reasons why some people want us to forget past episodes especially when their part in it is clearly something they would want us to forget about.

[SaintRobbie]

I have been saying this for years but then again, there are reasons why some people want us to forget past episodes especially when their part in it is clearly something they would want us to forget about.

 

Too right Dalek. Those who wish us to ignore bad history are usually linked to it.

 

History may not provide us with guidance all of the time, but it is the only guidance we have.

[CanadaSaint]

I understand the clamour on here to look only forwards and bury the past but it's that 'fingers in ear' mentality that (only?) exists in the football world that people 'messing' with our club over the years have relied upon - in other words, they know they will 'get away with it' once the dust settles.

 

If these people knew that there would be in depth scrutiny and ACCOUNTABILITY of their actions after the event then they would think twice about mucking us around in the first place.

 

Looking back over what's happened serves to prevent reoccurences in the future, so, please...all those saying "forget the past, just look forward"... IMHO you can't successfully do the latter if you ignore the former.

 

I'm not advocating a "finger in the ear" mentality at all, or that we "ignore" the past. You're too good a poster to mis-characterize what others are saying.

 

I am advocating that people stop re-hashing the past at every opportunity. You learn from the past and then you get on with trying to make the future better, and that's all that concerns me right now.

 

How did we learn from Lowe's/Wilde's/Lowe's past transgressions - in such a way to make sure we were not jerked around again? Not very well judging by the succession of complete and utter screw-ups and the near-disappearance of the Club.

 

Exactly how do you propose to hold Begbies and Fry "accountable"? They were working for the creditors, not us, and they have probably met the creditors' objectives.

 

Everyone was taken in by Lynham & Co, at least for a time (including our own beloved MLT), so what's to learn there?

 

No, I'm not saying that we should bury the past but that it's time to move on from it.

[fletch]

at what point did you think Rattlehead was in anyway serious..?

 

Erm .... at the point he said it?

 

Unless I was of course supposed to mind melt with him and read his inner most thoughts - Numpty

[Nineteen Canteen]

19C you say we are a poor club with a wealthy owner. I know where you are coming from but in fact we are not a poor club. Poor clubs have debts and don't own their own (Premiership) ground. Every penny we take throught the turnstiles etc etc can go towards funding the club - that is not a bad place to be in even without ML's euros.

 

You're right FF but until the funds start flowing in we don't have the money to purchase the players we need and feeding off the scraps like everyone else. Long term minus the debt and being self funded then of course that will hopefully put us in a healthy position but not as wealthy some fans believe we are. If those fans become disillusioned then whilst out future will remain safe our ambition may need to be lowered if that disilusion becomes reflected in the gates.

 

IMO Mr Leibherr has made his investment and the rest is down to manager, players and fans alike and the old adage what you get out will reflect what you are prepared to put in.

 

When I said poor I was suggesting that we don't have the millions that some feel we do because of Mr Leibherr's ownership and at the moment because of the delays in the takeover we are not even competing on a level playing field even disregrdaing the point deduction.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

You're right FF but until the funds start flowing in we don't have the money to purchase the players we need and feeding off the scraps like everyone else. Long term minus the debt and being self funded then of course that will hopefully put us in a healthy position but not as wealthy some fans believe we are. If those fans become disillusioned then whilst out future will remain safe our ambition may need to be lowered if that disilusion becomes reflected in the gates.

 

IMO Mr Leibherr has made his investment and the rest is down to manager, players and fans alike and the old adage what you get out will reflect what you are prepared to put in.

 

When I said poor I was suggesting that we don't have the millions that some feel we do because of Mr Leibherr's ownership and at the moment because of the delays in the takeover we are not even competing on a level playing field even disregrdaing the point deduction.

 

Everthing is relative I suppose - to be debt free in the old Div 3 - 20 years ago would make us probably the strongest club in that League but now we live in the age of the Sugar Daddy so who knows "how wealthy" we are.

 

All I know that in the 124 year history of the Saints - we have always been in debt and mostly had a mortgage on our ground. Now we haven't but, of course, we no longer control or even have a say in our own destiny.

[CanadaSaint]

Just as Rupert's heavy (actually excessive) focus on the Academy and his revulsion for big transfer (and agents') fees was ahead of its time (so far ahead that it nearly killed us), so are we ahead of our time in having much of the infrastructure without the throttling debt.

 

Pompey are in an especially precarious position because they have a lot of debt but still don't have the stadium - and the Avivas of this world aren't very keen on funding football stadia any more.

 

When the "Sugar Daddy" types lose interest, and they will, we may well look back on these days as the making of the Club.

[Clifford Nelson]

I am sure that the ones who watched the game today now realises that we have a much better team than we thought we had. We still need to assure a bit more strength in depth, but our boys can really play. Pity that the ones who was sitting at home contributing to the forum didn't come down to SMS. You missed a treat.

[CB Fry]

Right to the same usual idiot arrogant posters.

I mentioned the UEFA B course because 3 of the people there are involved with professional clubs and also the fact MA was there, regardless off my qualifications or previous experiances with my work it was stating I was in a enept enviroment with those off an insight.

 

5) I am just saying, when there's players we should be making a priority to sign

and not waiting soley for the bosman market, we are a big,big club in this league and we should be bringing in numbers as well as the right quality.

 

The usual suspects have 'surprisingly' got it wrong.....again

 

 

Err - the only idiocy on this thread is coming from you sunshine.

 

Five working days in the job and you're *****ing about us not signing a flood of players in five. working. days.

 

Five. days.

 

And how do you know what Pardew's priorities are? Does your UEFA B badge give you mind reading capabilities as well now? You haven't the faintest idea what Pardew is or isn't doing.

 

So lay off calling others idiots and arrogant as your pompous half formed garbage opinions are the stupiest things posted on this forum since the takeover was announced.

 

Let the man get on with his job without being slated by you and your Uefa B badge.

 

 

And by the way what does this mean "I was in a enept enviroment with those off an insight". Maybe you need to make GCSE english a priority.

[Tac-tics]

Err - the only idiocy on this thread is coming from you sunshine.

 

Five working days in the job and you're *****ing about us not signing a flood of players in five. working. days.

 

Five. days.

 

And how do you know what Pardew's priorities are? Does your UEFA B badge give you mind reading capabilities as well now? You haven't the faintest idea what Pardew is or isn't doing.

 

So lay off calling others idiots and arrogant as your pompous half formed garbage opinions are the stupiest things posted on this forum since the takeover was announced.

 

Let the man get on with his job without being slated by you and your Uefa B badge.

 

 

And by the way what does this mean "I was in a enept enviroment with those off an insight". Maybe you need to make GCSE english a priority.

 

Had to be one to make a show. I work in football, I have an understanding off it and the transfer policy.

 

My UEFA B badge is completely and utterly not related to this, if you made a priority of GCSE English you would of read that I was referring to the people I was with and met not the badge and lets face it, they would of ****ed all over your 'knowledge or opinions' due to their history.

 

I'll state it just for you, the point I made was in refference to Pardew's comments about solely relying on Bosman market, something in which he changed a few days later.

 

I am not slating AP at all, what I saw on Saturday proved he's having an effect, I am concerned this squad isnt good enough and players at other clubs are required. Not rocket science you pompous tit.

 

Now sod off into your hole.

 

oh just for your challenged mind, I was refering to the fact I was having this discussion with a professional manager, 2 coaches from Swindon,1 from Reading and an ex-players.

[JustMike]

Had to be one to make a show. I work in football, I have an understanding off it and the transfer policy.

 

My UEFA B badge is completely and utterly not related to this, if you made a priority of GCSE English you would of read that I was referring to the people I was with and met not the badge and lets face it, they would of ****ed all over your 'knowledge or opinions' due to their history.

 

I'll state it just for you, the point I made was in refference to Pardew's comments about solely relying on Bosman market, something in which he changed a few days later.

 

I am not slating AP at all, what I saw on Saturday proved he's having an effect, I am concerned this squad isnt good enough and players at other clubs are required. Not rocket science you pompous tit.

 

Now sod off into your hole.

 

oh just for your challenged mind, I was refering to the fact I was having this discussion with a professional manager, 2 coaches from Swindon,1 from Reading and an ex-players.

 

i suggest you use your GCSE English and re-read what he actually said! At no time did AP say that he was ONLY looking at Bosmans...He said that he had put in tentative offers for players at clubs already and had targets in mind but wanted to utilise the free's first.

 

So before you start banging on about the usual posters giving you stick and telling people to "sod off into their hole" i suggest you stick you GCSE and UEFA Z licence where the sun dont shine and actually learn to read!

[Wiltshire Saint]

So the whole season is a write off, and that's your judgement having giving Pardew five working days in the job. Five days. Five working days.

 

Five days in and you say he now won't get it right until at least August 2010.

 

 

 

Ladies and gentlemen, the UEFA B qualification :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

 

It must be the UEFA A course that talks about managers that turn clubs around without, gosh, even a pre season.

 

Some managers take over in late September and still get their teams promoted. I'm sure they'll do a module on it some time.

 

 

Five days.

 

Five. working. days.

 

Five. days.

 

Err - the only idiocy on this thread is coming from you sunshine.

 

Five working days in the job and you're *****ing about us not signing a flood of players in five. working. days.

 

Five. days.

 

 

It really irritates me when people do this. I have noticed it quite a few times on here. Why. do. some. people. put. full. stops. in. the. middle. of. sentences. like. this? At some point in one of your posts you tell Tic-Tacs to make GCSE English a priority but you're the one using punctuation in a stupid manner.

 

Can you please stop doing it as it bothers me. I couldn't even focus on what you were saying because it put me off so much.

 

Thank. you.

 

no offence but refereing a game makes you no more qualified to coach than someone that watches football. Courses are great but we've seen lots of ex players more than adequately managing football clubs without any of the `required' FA qualifications.

 

When people start sentenes off with the phrase "no offence" it is usually because they either know it will cause offence and/or is designed to cause offence. I am more qualified to coach the game because I know the rules, regulations and so on. I have watched very good quality players in the CCC and have run amongst them. I can see where they have gone wrong and where they have done wrong. I run with them, as part of them. You sit in the stands, eating your pies and fingering your genitals through a hole in your trouser pocket. No offence.

 

 

League referees although we criticise them mostly from a partisan standpoint are a very knowledgeable bunch. I knew two and the difference between them and local referees was enormous. Their knowledge is anticipatory and they really have to read the play to keep up.

 

That is correct. I thank you fro your support. The previous comment had upset me terribly and I was close to never posting again. You have given me strength.

[saint_stevo]

Lets wait and see shall we

[Gingeletiss]

 

 

I am more qualified to coach the game because I know the rules, regulations and so on. I have watched very good quality players in the CCC and have run amongst them. I can see where they have gone wrong and where they have done wrong. I run with them, as part of them.

 

Laws........I think you will find they are called Laws, well, they were when I done the course!!!!.

[Wes Tender]

.... if you made a priority of GCSE English you would of read that I was referring to the people I was with and met not the badge and lets face it, they would of ****ed all over your 'knowledge or opinions' due to their history.

 

Everybody knows that it becomes easier with each passing year to obtain a GCSE in English. The highlighted bit just illustrates how poor the grammar has become in recent times. It is not would of, but would have. You can abbreviate it to would've if you like, but the 've is abbreviated from have, not of.

 

H.T.H

[Barry the Badger]

I'll state it just for you, the point I made was in refference to Pardew's comments about solely relying on Bosman market, something in which he changed a few days later..

 

..and there is your problem Tac-tics. Pardew has never said that he's relying solely on the Bosman market, just that he's starting there. Just relax and it will all come together.

[SW11_Saint]

I have it on reliable authority that AP has did little else in the first week of his tenure than make phone calls to agents/clubs re. players. I expect to see 2-3, maybe more new faces in the next week or so.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I have it on reliable authority that AP has did little else in the first week of his tenure than make phone calls

 

Lazy git!

 

Maybe he was making booty calls?

[Wes Tender]

I have it on reliable authority that AP has did little else in the first week of his tenure than make phone calls to agents/clubs re. players. I expect to see 2-3, maybe more new faces in the next week or so.

 

Interesting to read that, SW11 and to witness the vast improvement in our play against Hearts on Saturday. On the one hand we are told that Pardew had not been able to spend time coaching and then we see this remarkable improvement. Could it be that in the little time that he spent with the players, the message that he got over was simply that they had a short time to make an impression on him, that anybody who didn't give 100% effort would be out of the door? Maybe the message was delivered with sufficient force and lack of ambiguity that the players' minds were focussed sharply on their futures and produced hte desired effect.

[Tac-tics]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4510368.Much_phoning__not_enough_training_ground_for_Saints_boss/

 

This was posted days ago

[Torres]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4510368.Much_phoning__not_enough_training_ground_for_Saints_boss/

 

This was posted days ago

 

Not spending enough time on the training pitch, working with the players?

 

FFS, that's his job, isn't it?

 

Pardew out.

 

[CanadaSaint]

The previous comment had upset me terribly and I was close to never posting again. You have given me strength.

 

Keep posting please.

[Chez]

I am more qualified to coach the game because I know the rules, regulations and so on.

complete total and utter ********. Knowing what constitutes whole ball out of play or suchlike offers absolutely nothing in the way of insight into football management or coaching. Maybe for under 7s, but we're talking about serious football here. I bet there are four or five rules that half the Premiership managers are not sure about or get completely wrong, but it simpy has not bearing on their ability to coach top level players. Yes you need to know the basics, but football tactics and referreeing the game are too quite distinct areas. Graham poll and his like are no better qualified than someone that watches from the sidelines pie in hand.

 

I have watched very good quality players in the CCC and have run amongst them. I can see where they have gone wrong and where they have done wrong.

Great. I've watched international players and seen them **** up too. So what? Right or wrong you will find players and managers up and down the country that moan about refereeing decisions made because they have never played the game. I must add that I don't think that refs can't be coaches I just don't feel your own experience makes you better to make judgements than the next `football expert'.

 

I run with them, as part of them.

I've swam with dolphins but it doesn't mean I could teach the ****ers to catch fish.

 

You sit in the stands, eating your pies and fingering your genitals through a hole in your trouser pocket.

you know nothing about me, the condition of my genitals or my footballing background.

 

No offence.

tooshay. None taken. You certainly do come across as a ref by the way.

 

 

The previous comment had upset me terribly and I was close to never posting again. You have given me strength..

You are actually saying that my post of "no offence but refereing a game makes you no more qualified to coach than someone that watches football. Courses are great but we've seen lots of ex players more than adequately managing football clubs without any of the `required' FA qualifications." was enough to make you stop posting? I'm sorry, I didn't realise those thick skins of yours came off after the game had finished. Get a grip man. Edited 27 July, 2009 by Chez

[The9]

Erm .... at the point he said it?

 

Unless I was of course supposed to mind melt with him and read his inner most thoughts - Numpty

 

I think you're the only one who didn't realise he wasn't being serious.

 

But that ref bloke, I honestly can't tell if he's taking the rise or not. Either he's way too subtle for me, or he genuinely believes that being a ref makes him better at knowing who should be assigned to marking whom, or how best to break down a 5-3-2, or transfer policies or something.

 

Personally I assume knowing the laws as a given, and though I am constantly surprised at how few people actually do know them, I doubt it makes the slightest bit of difference to someone's ability to coach or manage a team except in exceptionally technical moments (like Allardyce exploiting 2005's daft interfering interpretation).

 

Mostly, knowing the detail of the laws *is* just for refs and pedantic trivia-headed gets like me - as you see every time half the stadium appeals for a free kick from a chested or thighed-back pass, or celebrates the world's most offside goal when the flag's been up for 30 seconds, because they don't check and don't understand what the flag means anyway. We know that stuff, but that doesn't mean we know anything about tactics, or transfers, or coaching, or agents' fees for that matter.

 

And the B licence fella can't spell, is in no position to be telling other people to take GCSE English, and is certainly talking to interesting people and coming away with some half-formed ideas, but I am strangely jealous of his spawny badge-doing experiences. The whole "transfers now" rant at the start of this thread is a load of gubbins and irrelevant to his badge, if not the people who were trying to explain it to him, but I'm not expecting anyone who can't differentiate "could have" from "could of" to be good at analysing the nuances of a debate.

 

Oh, and you don't want to know about Chez's genitals... so I've heard.

Edited 27 July, 2009 by The9

[CB Fry]

I work in football, I have an understanding off it and the transfer policy.

 

 

Then why are you grizzling about Pardew not making a flood of signings in his first five working days in the job?

 

I don't kno nuffink about der transver polizy cauz I aint got no bagde or nuffin but i kno it take's mor van five days to sing lotz off players.

 

PS - the word you are looking for is "of" not "off".

Edited 27 July, 2009 by CB Fry

[CB Fry]

It really irritates me when people do this. I have noticed it quite a few times on here. Why. do. some. people. put. full. stops. in. the. middle. of. sentences. like. this? At some point in one of your posts you tell Tic-Tacs to make GCSE English a priority but you're the one using punctuation in a stupid manner.

 

Can you please stop doing it as it bothers me. I couldn't even focus on what you were saying because it put me off so much.

 

Thank. you.

 

 

It's not some people that do it. It's just me. I use it to explain simple things to dopey people, which is why I used it in your case.

 

If refs like your good self are so fantastically insightful on football matters, how come none of them have ever gravitated into front line team management, and how come Poll comes across as a complete arse whenever he is wheeled out to deliver his "punditry" on the radio?

 

It couldn't be because refs are trumped up football geekazoids focused on black and white laws and regulations but with no scope for dealing with the ambiguities of the game as a whole? Ambiguities like why one cannot (and should not) make a team full of new signings in five. working. days. at a new club.

 

It couldn't be. Could it?

Edited 27 July, 2009 by CB Fry

[Gingeletiss]

 

But that ref bloke, I honestly can't tell if he's taking the rise or not. Either he's way too subtle for me, or he genuinely believes that being a ref makes him better at knowing who should be assigned to marking whom, or how best to break down a 5-3-2, or transfer policies or something.

 

He was...........Laws, he called them rules, any blackshirt worth his salt, would know the difference!!

[Glasgow_Saint]

I use it to explain simple things to dopey people, which is why I used it in your case.

 

From Wiltshire Saint

 

 

[Wiltshire Saint]

It's not some people that do it. It's just me. I use it to explain simple things to dopey people, which is why I used it in your case.

 

If refs like your good self are so fantastically insightful on football matters, how come none of them have ever gravitated into front line team management, and how come Poll comes across as a complete arse whenever he is wheeled out to deliver his "punditry" on the radio?

 

It couldn't be because refs are trumped up football geekazoids focused on black and white laws and regulations but with no scope for dealing with the ambiguities of the game as a whole? Ambiguities like why one cannot (and should not) make a team full of new signings in five. working. days. at a new club.

 

It couldn't be. Could it?

 

Well....

You didn't use your stupid punctuation thing on me, you used it for tic-tacs, but never mind eh?

I don't understand how putting full stops after every word makes it easier to understand? I think it makes it harder.

Anyway, I asked you to stop doing politely and you have responded in an aggressive manner. I don't like you.

I. think. you're. an. asshole.

 

wrote a load of stuff......and then went on to say this.......

you know nothing about me, the condition of my genitals or my footballing background.

 

tooshay. None taken. You certainly do come across as a ref by the way.

 

 

You are actually saying that my post of "no offence but refereing a game makes you no more qualified to coach than someone that watches football. Courses are great but we've seen lots of ex players more than adequately managing football clubs without any of the `required' FA qualifications." was enough to make you stop posting? I'm sorry, I didn't realise those thick skins of yours came off after the game had finished. Get a grip man.

 

You are entitled to your opinion "Chez". It is wrong and you don't know what you're talking about, but you are entitled to your opinion. Some people may say that the great thing about living in a democracy is that we all have a voice. Others say the worst thing about living in a democracy is reading "Chez"'s ill informed and wrong posts.

 

 

He was...........Laws, he called them rules, any blackshirt worth his salt, would know the difference!!

 

don't be so silly.

 

Laws........I think you will find they are called Laws, well, they were when I done the course!!!!.

 

When you "did" the course.

 

From Wiltshire Saint

 

 

 

Thanks BORNemouth saint, I appreciate your input. 6 foot 1 is quite tall, you could be a football player with that sort of height.

 

Anyway, to put all this to rest let's agree that this summary is ok with all of us.....

 

I am sure AP knows what he is doing.

I am sure that derry and Tic-Tacs know about football having done their badges.

I know a lot about football through my involvement.

I know a lot more about the game than "Chez"

CB Fry is a nasty man who uses punctuation in an inappropriate manner

anyone

[derry]

I just don't see why when posters disagree with posts they have to be aggressive and rude. More often than not there is no logical counter argument or explanation just aggression.

 

Does this mean that the aggression is an attempt to mask the lack of ability to build a logical riposte?

 

It would be a better and more intelligent debate if basic manners and politeness was the norm.

[Chez]

You are entitled to your opinion "Chez". It is wrong and you don't know what you're talking about, but you are entitled to your opinion. Some people may say that the great thing about living in a democracy is that we all have a voice. Others say the worst thing about living in a democracy is reading "Chez"'s ill informed and wrong posts.

 

I know a lot more about the game than "Chez"

 

yep, you're a ref.

[CB Fry]

I am sure AP knows what he is doing.

 

 

Err - this is what the non badge holding non look-at-me non I-know-more-than-you brigade (ie everyone except you and Tic-tacs) have been saying all along.

 

By the way, I know more about the use of English language and punctuation than you do, ref-boy.

 

This. form. is. fine. for. talking. down. to. trumped. up. ref. types.

[derry]

Err - this is what the non badge holding non look-at-me non I-know-more-than-you brigade (ie everyone except you and Tic-tacs) have been saying all along.

 

By the way, I know more about the use of English language and punctuation than you do, ref-boy.

 

This. form. is. fine. for. talking. down. to. trumped. up. ref. types.

 

Fans at Reading and West Ham might agree with you but it wouldn't be wise to air that view at Charlton.

 

He has had a promising start, I personally am delighted with what I saw on Saturday, but in the longer term it would be as well if judgement is reserved until half way through the season.

 

Often with a new manager there is a performance bounce, which we need, but often it fizzles out, his true worth will come after that.

[Wes Tender]

That is correct. I thank you fro your support. The previous comment had upset me terribly and I was close to never posting again. You have given me strength.

 

I pick up on this as Chez did and marvel that somebody who states that he is a football referee can have such thin skin. What do you do if a player stands up to you and argues a decision of yours? Give him a card, or go home crying to Mummy?

 

And I agree with others that being a referee might mean that you know more about the rules of the game than most on here, but it certainly does not mean conclusively that your opinions about tactics, formations, players' abilities, player motivation, club finances, etc, is any more reliable or valid than the opinions of others.

 

Quite frankly, the standard of refereeing in the fizzy pop is generally appalling compared to that in the Premiership, so I hope that you will accept that there are some poor referees. I have no doubts in my mind that a division a level lower will produce even lower standards from the referees.

 

If the referees were generally so good, why is there a growing clamour for certain decisions to be backed up with video technology? TV action replays show that occasionally they do get things wrong, so that fallability should logically translate into errors of judgement in other footballing areas too.

[Kadeem Hardison]

This. form. is. fine. for. talking. down. to. trumped. up. ref. types.

 

No. It. Isn't.

 

You. Should. Always. Have. A. Capital. Letter. After. A. Full. Stop.

 

You come across as quite mental and aggressive on this thread.

[Wiltshire Saint]

I just don't see why when posters disagree with posts they have to be aggressive and rude. More often than not there is no logical counter argument or explanation just aggression.

 

Does this mean that the aggression is an attempt to mask the lack of ability to build a logical riposte?

 

It would be a better and more intelligent debate if basic manners and politeness was the norm.

 

I completely agree with you Derry. Some posters need to have a long hard look at themselves.

 

Err - this is what the non badge holding non look-at-me non I-know-more-than-you brigade (ie everyone except you and Tic-tacs) have been saying all along.

 

By the way, I know more about the use of English language and punctuation than you do, ref-boy.

 

This. form. is. fine. for. talking. down. to. trumped. up. ref. types.

 

I do not wish to discuss this matter with you any more because I think you are mentally unstable.

 

I pick up on this as Chez did and marvel that somebody who states that he is a football referee can have such thin skin. What do you do if a player stands up to you and argues a decision of yours? Give him a card, or go home crying to Mummy?

 

I threaten them.