Arizona Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 If ever anyone was trying to make themselves look like an ignorant fool, then this is it? Huge attendances for Premier League Darts last year, but more importantly why is a sport judged by attendance? This has to be the most moronic point of them all (still, Arizona is a moron). Big crowds for pistol shooting down here last week...oh, wait. And I tell you what, I saw 50,000 at the British Judo Championships. Sorry, I was having a dream. What an idiot Arizona truly is. Now I'm confused. Are we friends? :-s Ok, so now popularity doesn't matter. I like do run around my garden with a string of sausages, whilst the dog runs after me trying to eat the sausages. It is a sport by every definition I can think of. It requires skills, speed, agility, stamina. There are two competing parties and there is always a winner and a loser. Nobody gives a flying f**k about the outcome other than me and the dog, but apparently that doesn't matter. As it happens, my dog always wins. Given his domination of the sport, I would like to nominated Rover for SPOTY.
bungle Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 http://www.sportengland.org/about_us/recognised_sports.aspx Sport England list of recognised sports.
Arizona Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 I'm not surprised darts is on there. However so are angling, ballooning, ballroom dancing, baton twirling, health and beauty exercises, hovering, life saving, surf life saving, octopush, yoga and stool ball. You are right, darts IS a sport, in the same way that Ali Dia is a professional footballer.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 7 December, 2009 Posted 7 December, 2009 I think most people recognise Phil Taylor as a great champion and sporting legend. Also thought Bradley Wiggins should have been nominated after his heroic efforts in the Tour de France.
Arizona Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Giggs? WTF? :-s I guess that's a lifetime achievement more than anything, he hasn't been that special this year. Oh well, fair play to him. Button 2nd, Ennis 3rd.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Wonder if Lawrie McMenemy paid for his ticket to be there? I see Clive Woodward is in the crowd looking all smug and ****ty. Agree with Arizona about Giggs. I wanted Button to win.
Arizona Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Lol at Coulthard's face when Eddie Jordan was on the drums. The Beeb missed a trick there, Damon Hill was in the audience and he's pretty handy on the guitar. Along with Henry Cooper and Nigel Mansell, he is the only person to win it twice ('94 and '96, though the former probably had a lot to do with Senna).
Colinjb Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Giggs? What? A complete f*cking joke. A Plastic Manc hijack. A bit part player for a team that performed worse then the prior season. Utterly stupid.
John B Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 A complete f*cking joke. A Plastic Manc hijack. A bit part player for a team that performed worse then the prior season. Utterly stupid. Totally agree probably fixed by the Man U supporters
saintkiptanui Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 I'm glad he won, been a great player for years, Button drove a great car for a year.
Hatch Posted 13 December, 2009 Author Posted 13 December, 2009 Giggs winning has just killed off a British Institution that this award used to be and has in some way devalued all previous winners.
Arizona Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 I'm glad he won, been a great player for years, Button drove a great car for a year. That's sort of where the "of the year" bit comes in.
Kingsland Nick Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Did he win it for helping Wales to qualify for the World Cup, or United to win the Champions League?
Colinjb Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Did he win it for helping Wales to qualify for the World Cup, or United to win the Champions League? Not sure, I wasn't aware that either of those happened THIS F**KING YEAR. The more I think about this the angrier I get!!!!!!
Hatch Posted 13 December, 2009 Author Posted 13 December, 2009 TBF to Giggs , I just checked , he has scored an awesome total of 5 goals in 2009.
Michelle Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Absolute flaming joke. Actually glad I didn't watch it now. And yes, I was watching The X Factor instead!!! Two British F1 World Champions in the last two years, and neither of them have won SPOTY in their respective Championship years. Meh.
St Landrew Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Giggs? WTF? :-s I guess that's a lifetime achievement more than anything, he hasn't been that special this year. Oh well, fair play to him. Button 2nd, Ennis 3rd. Bloody joke if you ask me. I'm sure the reason why Giggs was speechless was that he knows it's silly having a footballer as a lone Sports Personality [yes I know Beckham was too, and that was just as ridiculous]. Does anyone think he'd be Sports Personality if he played for Bolton, or Blackburn..? Of course not, it's a team sport. Lifetime achievement, no problem. That he would deserve.
Evil Monkey Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Agree with the above. Giggs has had a great career, and is due a lifetime achievement award of some sort. But recognising his 20 year career by giving him an award meant for the best british sportsman over the last 12 months is a travesty. He shouldnt even have been nominated (I think the beeb just couldnt bare the thought of not having a footballer as one of the nominees). Button and Haye have both reached the pinnacle of their respective sports THIS YEAR. Daley and Cavendish have also done great things (although I'm not 100% sure what they are).
St Landrew Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 The British public are morons. Tbf though, the BBC did the shortlist... No, you're completely right. The British public are morons.
L1Minus10 Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 David Haye - beat the Russian monster to become Word Champion and a genuine personality. It was joke when Giggs won player of the year and this is an even bigger joke.
Ponty Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 The biggest question has to be, "Why was James Corden there?"
krissyboy31 Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Did he win it for helping Wales to qualify for the World Cup, or United to win the Champions League? TBF he is the current PFA player of the year and scored his 100th Premier League goal at Fartton Park and broke the PL appearance record for an outfield player.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 Voted fo Cavendish but knew he stood no chance. To be fair to Giggs he is playing some of the best football of his career and was voted player of the year. This along with 11 league titles, 4 fa cups and 2 champions league winners medals probably swung it for him. Would rather him win it than someone who drives a fast car.
saintwarwick Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 Voted fo Cavendish but knew he stood no chance. To be fair to Giggs he is playing some of the best football of his career and was voted player of the year. This along with 11 league titles, 4 fa cups and 2 champions league winners medals probably swung it for him. Would rather him win it than someone who drives a fast car. You mean he achieved all this in the last year? Then he deserves to win it I'd rather someone driving a fast car winning it than some poncy footballer whose best years are beyond him. Lifetime achievement yes, personality of the year absolutely not.
warsash saint Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 IMO Cavendish was the only Brit that truely deserved the award...no one came close to matching his achievements. But then he has no TV profile & a Man Utd bandwagon behind him
bungle Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 IMO Cavendish was the only Brit that truely deserved the award...no one came close to matching his achievements. But then he has no TV profile & a Man Utd bandwagon behind him Cavendish was clearly a cut above the other 9 nominees. The only other sportsperson who comes close this year is Phil Taylor.
Arizona Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 Funny you should mention that Bungle, because they did recognise Taylor's achievements this year. He got two lines in a short poem, along with bobsled team, the British womens luge champion and some bloke in a canoe.
bridge too far Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 And the Team of the Year award was a joke too. The England (male) cricket team? When the England (female) cricket team won everything in the world? Sexist sports journos IMO
John B Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 I'm glad he won, been a great player for years, Button drove a great car for a year. Exactly it was for the year 2009 not the decade Still dont understand how Giggs won
JackFrost Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 (edited) "Sports". It is. It's officially recognised as a sport. Besides that debate is irrelevant IMO. At the end of the day it's a game, like football, rugby, etc. that he earns a professional living out of. No one else has dominated their "game" or "sport" like Taylor has dominated darts for the last 15 years. The recent 2009 statistics were Taylor's won 195 out of the 210 competitive matches he's played this year. The main reasons he isn't mentioned are commercial interests. If darts is a 'game' where fat men throws arrows at a board, then snooker is a "game" where overweight blokes hit balls with a stick and football is a "game" where 22 men kick some leather around a patch of grass. I don't know your opinions but I cannot understand how people say darts isn't a "sport" and then say something like snooker or boxing is. Edited 14 December, 2009 by JackFrost
Thedelldays Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 phil taylor has entered 30 tournaments this year..and won 26 of them..
krissyboy31 Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 And the Team of the Year award was a joke too. The England (male) cricket team? When the England (female) cricket team won everything in the world? Sexist sports journos IMO The woman's team won it last year after winning the world cup at the end of 2008. I agree though they probably had a better 2009 as a whole, than the men but in cricket, the Ashes (men's) is everything.
Ponty Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 It is. It's officially recognised as a sport. Besides that debate is irrelevant IMO. At the end of the day it's a game, like football, rugby, etc. that he earns a professional living out of. No one else has dominated their "game" or "sport" like Taylor has dominated darts for the last 15 years. The recent 2009 statistics were Taylor's won 195 out of the 210 competitive matches he's played this year. The main reasons he isn't mentioned are commercial interests. If darts is a 'game' where fat men throws arrows at a board, then snooker is a "game" where overweight blokes hit balls with a stick and football is a "game" where 22 men kick some leather around a patch of grass. I don't know your opinions but I cannot understand how people say darts isn't a "sport" and then say something like snooker or boxing is. My definition of a game, rather than a sport, is something you can play to the highest competitive level in the shoes you could get married in. Ergo, darts, snooker, poker, etc. all games. You'd look a bit of a plank running around a football pitch in a pair of Hush Puppies.
bridge too far Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 My definition of a game, rather than a sport, is something you can play to the highest competitive level in the shoes you could get married in. Ergo, darts, snooker, poker, etc. all games. You'd look a bit of a plank running around a football pitch in a pair of Hush Puppies. You'd get married in Hush Puppies :shock:
JackFrost Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 My definition of a game, rather than a sport, is something you can play to the highest competitive level in the shoes you could get married in. Ergo, darts, snooker, poker, etc. all games. You'd look a bit of a plank running around a football pitch in a pair of Hush Puppies. Fair enough, By your theses your a bit late saying "game" players shouldn't win SPOTY considering Davis won it in '88
Ponty Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 You'd get married in Hush Puppies :shock: I could.
St Landrew Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 I have absolutely no interest in Darts, but I appreciate when someone is great at something, whether it be knitting or grand opera, or indeed, Darts. In truth, I think the pub connection with Darts has kept it out of recognition. It's also a working class thing, and therefore not of any value. Personally, I don't believe in that judgement, I just perceive it as true. Snooker, on the other hand, has pulled its image away from clubs and bars over the decades, and so has built a measure of respectability; whereas Darts has embraced the beer culture. While that status remains, rightly or wrongly, I doubt it will ever be recognised. You could say that Darts is the last sport of the ordinary working class person. As such, it is instantly condemned to obscurity, and those associated with it.
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