Saint Billy Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 It is well known that our present team lacks confidence. This is only natural because we have only won a handful of games over the last year. This is one of the first things that AP quickly noticed hence the comment "We have got to get back to a winning mentality". As importantly, I think a run of good results will change the way the fans support the club. The atmosphere at games has been definitely lacklustre to say the least and I suggest it is largely because many have expected the team to lose. I know its obvious to say that good results will bring back the numbers, but I also think that confidence in our team will make the support more animated and produce a better atmosphere which will be worth a few extra points ala The Dell.
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 fans are fickle Fans want instant succes there is some poster from Bournemouth on another thread complaining that Pardew is too slow in sorting out the team. Pardew has been here how long four days perhaps?
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Fans want instant succes there is some poster from Bournemouth on another thread complaining that Pardew is too slow in sorting out the team and some fans are to unambitious
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 and some fans are to unambitious What is the point of being ambitious if there is little substance behind the ambition. Every supporter want their team to succeed but most realise it wont happen on a regular basis
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 What is the point of being ambitious if there is little substance behind the ambition. then what is the point
stthrobber Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 It is well known that our present team lacks confidence. This is only natural because we have only won a handful of games over the last year. This is one of the first things that AP quickly noticed hence the comment "We have got to get back to a winning mentality". As importantly, I think a run of good results will change the way the fans support the club. The atmosphere at games has been definitely lacklustre to say the least and I suggest it is largely because many have expected the team to lose. I know its obvious to say that good results will bring back the numbers, but I also think that confidence in our team will make the support more animated and produce a better atmosphere which will be worth a few extra points ala The Dell. I think the club's recent history has a lot to do with both fans and team being low in confidence, but luckily for us, as the two go hand in hand, then a few home wins will change that mentality for both. Thinking back to our relegation season, then I can remember several occasions where misplaced passes and goals given away would result in the crowd getting on the team's back. I think with a new owner at the club and all politics removed from the equation, all we really need to worry about is getting behind the team, and the team in turn will respond to that support. The only downside is that since Lynam and Michael Mitty dragged the takeover to new extremes of tedium for no apparent reason, Alan Pardew has had to hit the ground running and it will take a few games for our new team to gel.
Ludwig Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I had a dream last night that we lost 8-1 away to Swansea on the first day of the season. I don't know why we were playing Swansea, but we were.
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 What is the point of what? I think it is pretty unambitious to hope we "just survive" this season i mean..what a joke
RonManager Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I had a dream last night that we lost 8-1 away to Swansea on the first day of the season. I don't know why we were playing Swansea' date=' but we were.[/quote'] I scored our goal. Remember? - the stripey elephant wearing the monocle and the top hat?
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I think it is pretty unambitious to hope we "just survive" this season Who said that I thought the plan was to see how we were doing at Xmas and go on from there. With a new team and points deduction it is not going to be easy to forecast how we will do
Ludwig Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I scored our goal. Remember? - the stripey elephant wearing the monocle and the top hat? No you didn't, Matt Paterson scored a header to open the scoring. Then we conceded 8.
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Who said that I thought the plan was to see how we were doing at Xmas and go on from there. With a new team and points deduction it is not going to be easy to forecast how we will do it has been said time and time again on here over the last week/2 weeks.. i just think, we as fans (well on here) are pretty unambitious.. 1. wanting to just survive in league 1 2. wanting tisdale to be manager 3. thinking burley dd a good job 4. happy with player like jasmine 5. we are nothing but a small provincial club 6. we found our level (in the CCC) i mean, what a load of crud the list is endless really of course you have to add a dose of reality in that... reality is, we are one of (with leeds) the big two/3 in this league bya long long way we are financially very secure we could attract (and have) far far better than a tisdale league 1 is utter shyt and wanting to survive this season takes the **** really etc etc you get my point
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 it has been said time and time again on here over the last week/2 weeks.. i just think, we as fans (well on here) are pretty unambitious.. 1. wanting to just survive in league 1 2. wanting tisdale to be manager 3. thinking burley dd a good job 4. happy with player like jasmine 5. we are nothing but a small provincial club 6. we found our level (in the CCC) i mean, what a load of crud the list is endless really of course you have to add a dose of reality in that... reality is, we are one of (with leeds) the big two/3 in this league bya long long way we are financially very secure we could attract (and have) far far better than a tisdale league 1 is utter shyt and wanting to survive this season takes the **** really etc etc you get my point I dont disagree with what you are saying but as no one from the club has said what there plans are the only thing I have picked up is the Pardew hopes to be mid table by Xmas which would be pretty good considering our current situation
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I dont disagree with what you are saying but as no one from the club has said what there plans are the only thing I have picked up is the Pardew hopes to be mid table by Xmas which would be pretty good considering our current situation i know what pardew wants..i was talking about US, the fans sttitude really....
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Fans want instant succes there is some poster from Bournemouth on another thread complaining that Pardew is too slow in sorting out the team. Pardew has been here how long four days perhaps? Not “complaining” more expressing my anxieties! I as a fan of SFC would have hoped that we would be more advanced in our preparations than we are. I realise that AP has only been in charge 1 week, but ML took over 3 weeks ago and in that time we have appointed a manager and bought one player…..this is not enough to ease my worries! Clearly Pinnacle have also cost us valuable time and for that I am ****ed off
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I dont disagree with what you are saying but as no one from the club has said what there plans are the only thing I have picked up is the Pardew hopes to be mid table by Xmas which would be pretty good considering our current situation Pardew has said top 2 is his target.
Saint Billy Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 it has been said time and time again on here over the last week/2 weeks.. i just think, we as fans (well on here) are pretty unambitious.. 1. wanting to just survive in league 1 2. wanting tisdale to be manager 3. thinking burley dd a good job 4. happy with player like jasmine 5. we are nothing but a small provincial club 6. we found our level (in the CCC) i mean, what a load of crud the list is endless really of course you have to add a dose of reality in that... reality is, we are one of (with leeds) the big two/3 in this league bya long long way we are financially very secure we could attract (and have) far far better than a tisdale league 1 is utter shyt and wanting to survive this season takes the **** really etc etc you get my point I agree with that tdd. It's a bit like a boxer going into the ring expecting to get beat and having the sh*t knocked out of him. Lost the fight before he got into the ring. The mind set has got to change with the players and the fans.
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 i know what pardew wants..i was talking about US, the fans sttitude really.... There are so many fans with different ambitions some are high some are not. Mine are low after four years of utter dross a few wins will do at the moment
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 There are so many fans with different ambitions some are high some are not. Mine are low after four years of utter dross a few wins will do at the moment I think you are confusing 'ambition' with 'expectation' - surely your ambition is for us to win the league? not "just win a few games" please god surely?
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I think you are confusing 'ambition' with 'expectation' - surely your ambition is for us to win the league? not "just win a few games" please god surely? Yes a use of words can you have an ambition which you cannot control I would like to see Southampton FC in CCC but it is not an ambition Pardew however may have an ambition to see Southampton FC in the CCC
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Yes a use of words can you have an ambition which you cannot control I would like to see Southampton FC in CCC but it is not an ambition Pardew however may have an ambition to see Southampton FC in the CCC Im confused
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Im confused Confused and Anxious not doing very well today:D
JustinR Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I had a dream last night that we lost 8-1 away to Swansea on the first day of the season. I don't know why we were playing Swansea' date=' but we were.[/quote'] Yeah I had a similar dream, but 5 nil to Stoke
aqbadger Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 IMO yes player confidence is an issue, but a lot of them were simply not good enough for CCC. I think over the coming weeks we will see the confidence grow, but that's not to say all of them are good enough for L1 in the first place...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 fans are fickle Many players lack real quality,many fans lack real judgement,they think the players are performing less well than they could,the real reason is that many players on our books are just plain crap and successive youth coaches have bigged them up wickedly..
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Many players lack real quality,many fans lack real judgement,they think the players are performing less well than they could,the real reason is that many players on our books are just plain crap and successive youth coaches have bigged them up wickedly.. true.. it was quite cringe worthy when some were saying we had the best academy in the land...when this has probably never been the case in the last 15 years
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 true.. it was quite cringe worthy when some were saying we had the best academy in the land...when this has probably never been the case in the last 15 years I think it was a well respected Academy and has a good record with producing players and winning matches. But you are right people put spin on it and the next thing we are the best in the land but Probably the best on the South Coast
Saint Billy Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 true.. it was quite cringe worthy when some were saying we had the best academy in the land...when this has probably never been the case in the last 15 years Just like the catering!
Window Cleaner Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Just like the catering! and yet there was a video the other day showing cooks blatantly defying HACCP headgear regulations.
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 My ambition is to see Saints play in the Champions league (if not win it) my expectations.........thats a different story and is based on many many factors. eg Manager, League position, squad, -10 points etc etc.
madsent Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 true.. it was quite cringe worthy when some were saying we had the best academy in the land...when this has probably never been the case in the last 15 years I'm sure our academy has been in the top 5 in the country for a few years. We could compete with Arsenal who run their academy like a finishing school for European players and we're definitely behind Manchester Utd and Middlesbrough in terms of pure numbers of quality players. That said, we have a large number of our graduates in the top 2 divisions in English football and a few in decent leagues abroad. The academy has generated significantly more money than it has cost which is part of the purpose of having it in the first place.
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I'm sure our academy has been in the top 5 in the country for a few years. We could compete with Arsenal who run their academy like a finishing school for European players and we're definitely behind Manchester Utd and Middlesbrough in terms of pure numbers of quality players. That said, we have a large number of our graduates in the top 2 divisions in English football and a few in decent leagues abroad. The academy has generated significantly more money than it has cost which is part of the purpose of having it in the first place. please tell me you are joking
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I'm sure our academy has been in the top 5 in the country for a few years. We could compete with Arsenal who run their academy like a finishing school for European players and we're definitely behind Manchester Utd and Middlesbrough in terms of pure numbers of quality players. That said, we have a large number of our graduates in the top 2 divisions in English football and a few in decent leagues abroad. The academy has generated significantly more money than it has cost which is part of the purpose of having it in the first place. I think we all saw how good the academy was last year!
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I think we all saw how good the academy was last year! That is a cheap comment I thought Dyer Surmamn and McGoldrick were Academy players The England U21 which lost in the final had two Southampton Academy players
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 That is a cheap comment I thought Dyer Surmamn and McGoldrick were Academy players The England U21 which lost in the final had two Southampton Academy players the academy was good for a while..but to put it up there as one of the best in the country in terms of return on players that make it...nah
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 That is a cheap comment I thought Dyer Surmamn and McGoldrick were Academy players Are you deliberately trying to substantiate my comment?
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 the academy was good for a while..but to put it up there as one of the best in the country in terms of return on players that make it...nah I agree with you it is not the best but when we were in the Premiership it was pretty good.
Window Cleaner Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I agree with you it is not the best but when we were in the Premiership it was pretty good. It was good when it was run by Georges Prost.
BadgerBadger Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Fans feed off the pitch first, trouble is too many lack lustre displays for too many years have torn the heart out the crowd. It'll take some time to reinstall before we get back to the sort of atmosphere we saw at the Norwich game 2005
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