Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 John B said: I was talking in general about expectations Last season about this time most peoples expectations I think were that SFC would finish 16th or above which seemed rather high. Before or after Ruperts 'experiment' was announced. I start every season optomistic and hoping for the best - this season more than ever I feel we have a real good chance. Only problem is that for my ambition to be met we will need the new owner to splash a bit of cash (not multiple millions). I would just like us to show our arm (so to speak) and lay down a signal of intention with one or two big signings.....is that too much to ask?
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Thedelldays said: it is not pie in the sky at all are you awar of how terrible this league is.. many many of the teams would and do simply dream to have the facilities we have..the resources we have and some of the players we have..and more so, the manager we hae yes we have fallen, but to suggest a good crack at the playoffs (which we will fall just short imo) is pie in the sky IS pie in the sky itself WTF is wrong with some of you..? You do think League 1 is rubbish dont you Probably correct but as Pardew says everything is right with SFC Stadium Owners Facilities Fans but not the team
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 Big Bad Bob said: And the Football League work over the weekend don't they if it isnt then it should be! Agents and players can still talk and meet on a weekend......
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: Before or after Ruperts 'experiment' was announced. I start every season optomistic and hoping for the best - this season more than ever I feel we have a real good chance. Only problem is that for my ambition to be met we will need the new owner to splash a bit of cash (not multiple millions). I would just like us to show our arm (so to speak) and lay down a signal of intention with one or two big signings.....is that too much to ask? Strangely after the announcement but I agree with your post but it will take a little time. Perhaps if we had appointed Tony Adams the day of the takeover or kept Wotte you would be happier
Gingeletiss Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: AP was appointed last Friday morning - that's 7 days! Don't get me wrong - I dont blame AP (Far from it) I'm just saying that we should expect more than we have - some are accusing me of being too ambitious No.........some are accusing you of wanting a promotion winning squad, to be assembled in a week..........when the reality is, we have the dross that took us down last season. Give the man a break, and let him get on and build a squad....most realists on here have stated that a season of consoladation is what we expect, then a push for promotion next season. Anything else is a bonus..........but you seem to be in the 'I want it now' camp.
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 John B said: You do think League 1 is rubbish dont you Probably correct but as Pardew says everything is right with SFC Stadium Owners Facilities Fans but not the team of course..but look at one or two of the players we have.. we have a few player the 20 teams in this league would snap our hands of if the price was right..most of those would dream of having them in realistic terms..add that with a pardew and the improvement over a season then to say "just survive" or "by jan/feb we will be out of the bottom 3"...well, that is plain daft oh, and i know league 1 is terrible
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 John B said: Strangely after the announcement but I agree with your post but it will take a little time. Perhaps if we had appointed Tony Adams the day of the takeover or kept Wotte you would be happier are you high?
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 (edited) Original_Bournemouth_saint said: are you high? What I meant was doing things fast is not always the right approach Wotte would have brought in players by now Edited 24 July, 2009 by John B
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 Gingeletiss said: most realists on here have stated that a season of consoladation is what we expect, then a push for promotion next season. Anything else is a bonus A season of consolidation – are you for real? If we were to buy (or get free) 4 or 5 good players and add them to the 5 or 6 decent players we already have, who in the league do you believe would be better than us?
Gingeletiss Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: A season of consolidation – are you for real? If we were to buy (or get free) 4 or 5 good players and add them to the 5 or 6 decent players we already have, who in the league do you believe would be better than us? Why is it, that you are missing everyone else's point other than your own. All on here, and throughout our fair city, would like to see us promoted as Champions next year, be in no doubt about that. However, some of us are realists, whereas you are coming across as a get rich charlie type of person. Do you honestly believe, that we wish to languish in the neither regions of the football league......get real man.
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: A season of consolidation – are you for real? If we were to buy (or get free) 4 or 5 good players and add them to the 5 or 6 decent players we already have, who in the league do you believe would be better than us? Are you saying we are going to walk this League?
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 John B said: Are you saying we are going to walk this League? you know he is not saying that..
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Gingeletiss said: Why is it, that you are missing everyone else's point other than your own. All on here, and throughout our fair city, would like to see us promoted as Champions next year, be in no doubt about that. However, some of us are realists, whereas you are coming across as a get rich charlie type of person. Do you honestly believe, that we wish to languish in the neither regions of the football league......get real man. why are you the realist and those who think that with a couple more additions think we could have a shout at the playoffs...and not just settle for mid table obscurity are not..?
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 Gingeletiss said: Why is it, that you are missing everyone else's point other than your own. All on here, and throughout our fair city, would like to see us promoted as Champions next year, be in no doubt about that. However, some of us are realists, whereas you are coming across as a get rich charlie type of person. Do you honestly believe, that we wish to languish in the neither regions of the football league......get real man. Ill try again as you didnt answer my question before - If we were to buy (or get free) 4 or 5 good players and add them to the 5 or 6 decent players we already have, who in the league do you believe would be better than us?
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 John B said: We are going to walk this League? Dont start!
rallyboy Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I would love us to charge straight up this table and grab the title by the throat. BUT we are currently cursed with the bare bones remains of the poorest team in our history and a new manager is desperately trying to bring in players, so experience suggests these things won't gel overnight. If we get just a point from the first two games then a few people are in for a reality check. 1st target - Club survival - DONE. 2nd target - Stay up - maybe by Christmas we will know.... 3rd target - Playoffs or close to. 4th target - Promotion. 5th target - Champions. I am pleased that AP is targetting the top two but IMO anyone putting money on automatic promotion needs their head tested, it's a very long shot - and please note this post so you can drag it out when we do go up, I will be as pleased as anyone if I am wrong!! Please Mr P, make me look stupid!!! This isn't 'loser talk', just a touch of reality, I am sure Fialka had us in the Champion's League within two years, that doesn't make him a winner, or ambitious, whatever his mum thinks. Steady everyone, we will get there.....we will return.
Gingeletiss Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: Ill try again as you didnt answer my question before - If we were to buy (or get free) 4 or 5 good players and add them to the 5 or 6 decent players we already have, who in the league do you believe would be better than us?[/quote] So you are the resident football expert on here, and fulltime predictor. I concur, but have answered the whole of your question. So I'll repeat, there is not one man/woman on here who is a Saints fan, who wouldn't want us to go up next year as champions. That said (again), many on here, would equally be happy with a mid table position after all that has happend these past 6 months. Now what part of that are you having trouble understanding???
CB Fry Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: How are expectations too high? The new owner has stated that his intentions are the premiership in a few years; we therefore need to be able to compete for this to be achievable. The new owner has a lot of cash, we as fans are therefore naturally expecting him to finance his own ambition – correct? Nobody is suggesting he spends millions, just expect to be competing for some of the more ‘top class’ players that maybe in or could be attracted to league 1. To date we have signed one player – a free transfer whose ability is relatively unknown and we are now reading comments by AP to suggest that free signings are to be "looked into" Look around at other teams in league 1 Brentford – signed 5 players Brighton – 6 Carlisle United – 5 Exeter – 5 Milton Keynes Dons – 6 Huddersfield – 5 Norwich – 5 Oldham – 6 Swindon – 5 Southampton have released or sold 7 from 1st team squad last season and bought in only one! What a load of ********. Oh dear me, we're doomed, how can we ever expect to compete with Carlisle and their mega spending spree The footballing giants of Oldham and Exeter are going to grind us into League 2 where we will finish bottom in our first season. Absolutely any acheivement above this would constitute a bonus that must not be expected in any way just in case it creates pressure for the poor old players. Are my expectations "realistic" enough for you? There's some divs on here.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 Gingeletiss said: Original_Bournemouth_saint said: Ill try again as you didnt answer my question before - If we were to buy (or get free) 4 or 5 good players and add them to the 5 or 6 decent players we already have, who in the league do you believe would be better than us?[/quote] So you are the resident football expert on here, and fulltime predictor. I concur, but have answered the whole of your question. So I'll repeat, there is not one man/woman on here who is a Saints fan, who wouldn't want us to go up next year as champions. That said (again), many on here, would equally be happy with a mid table position after all that has happend these past 6 months. Now what part of that are you having trouble understanding??? The part where u are happy for us to finsih miod table! You either taking the **** or you mental. Mid table would be a massive failure imo. I unlike you cannot speak for everyone - that is my opinion
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 CB Fry said: What a load of ********. Oh dear me, we're doomed, how can we ever expect to compete with Carlisle and their mega spending spree The footballing giants of Oldham and Exeter are going to grind us into League 2 where we will finish bottom in our first season. Absolutely any acheivement above this would constitute a bonus that must not be expected in any way just in case it creates pressure for the poor old players. Are my expectations "realistic" enough for you? There's some divs on here. Your post makes no sense
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: Your post makes no sense i think he agrees with you
Gingeletiss Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: Gingeletiss said: The part where u are happy for us to finsih miod table! You either taking the **** or you mental. Mid table would be a massive failure imo. I unlike you cannot speak for everyone - that is my opinion Ok......there seems no point debating this with you, as you appear incapable of grasping the finer point of what I'm saying. Go back to your telling AP to get his finger out And to ML to start spending Millions, because that's how you see success happening. Meanwhile, in the real world, those with a more understanding approach, will accept promotion with open arms, but will not be calling for a new Chairman and Manager, should that not happen this season.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 Gingeletiss said: Mr Stupid said: Ok......there seems no point debating this with you, as you appear incapable of grasping the finer point of what I'm saying. Go back to your telling AP to get his finger out And to ML to start spending Millions, because that's how you see success happening. Meanwhile, in the real world, those with a more understanding approach, will accept promotion with open arms, but will not be calling for a new Chairman and Manager, should that not happen this season. oh dear ](*,)
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 Thedelldays said: i think he agrees with you I think you're right
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Thedelldays said: you know he is not saying that.. Just trying to bring amusement to a wet day but I am glad OBS is posting
RonManager Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 John B said: Just trying to bring amusement to a wet day Sunny here (Somerset), but a couple of nasty thunderstorms heading your way!
St Marco Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Top 2 = no chance Saying stuff like that is a bit silly really. He is setting goals and trying to gear the players,fans etc up and that is a great thing. But realisticly we are in a bad situation still in terms of the players. We got great fans, a great stadium, a great owner with loads of cash, a good manager etc etc but what we don't have is a superb squad. The team was **** last year, other then Davis nobody else could hold their hand up and say they did well. A crap team that was relegated has now been made even crapper by some of the crap players leaving. Skacel,BWP,DMG,Surman,Euell and of course that world class player Smith have all gone. All we have brought in is one player on a free. No offence to him but he will not change anything on his own. We need a huge increase of players with ability and attitude if we are seriously going to push for promotion this year. The squad we have now i think will struggle to stay in the league with the minus 10. Only two weeks until our 1st game and so much is needed to be done. What i want to know is how much Pardew has been given to strengthen the squad if he has been given anything at all. There are some decent people out there on a free but there are better players out there already at clubs. We need to exploit our new found wealth to get in those players who will make us a promotion chasing team. The defence pretty much needs a total overhaul, the midfield lacks creativity and the strike force all want to bugger off (apart from John). It just goes to show have damaging that Tony and Michael **** take bid really was, we lost 4 weeks because of those chumps. If we had 6 weeks left to prepare for the new season then i would say we had a chance, but with just 2 weeks, a pretty poor pre-season and lack of people coming in i can't see anywhere near a top half finish. I can see us in a relegation battle once again with this squad. With a coupel of signings we could maybe get to mid-table, and in all honesty i would be happy with that.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 John B said: Just trying to bring amusement to a wet day but I am glad OBS is posting Sunny here in Glasgow
Big Bad Bob Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 (edited) St Marco said: We need to exploit our new found wealth to get in those players who will make us a promotion chasing team. Just because our owner is wealthy does not mean the Club is wealthy. Only a select few will know how much Mr L. has given AP. However much it is he is probably spending it how he sees fit. But I concur we are going nowhere with the current squad and I maintain that the free market is the best place to get decent (at this level) players quickly!! Edited 24 July, 2009 by Big Bad Bob transposition transposition
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: Agreed - new players (good players) needed FAST Coaching set-up also needs to be concluded FAST (sounds like AP is struggling to juggle everything) Despite having a new owner and more fan optomism, we are actually no better off then a few weeks back - in some respects much worse off. - We have lost all our 'warm-up' matches (this will not help confidence) - We have signed one player (ability unknown) - We have a well respected manager who readily admits he is swamped - Season starts in a couple of weeks Where's your optimism Bourney!!? I'm brimming with it for once, Thats a first eh?
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 Windmill Arm 2 said: Where's your optimism Bourney!!? I'm brimming with it for once, Thats a first eh? That is a 1st!! Think you join a small minority on here thou. Me and DellDays are struggling
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: That is a 1st!! Think you join a small minority on here thou. Me and DellDays are struggling lets get Nickh and Alpine and we will have the unholey alliance...who would have thought
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 Thedelldays said: lets get Nickh and Alpine and we will have the unholey alliance...who would have thought Where is Alpine anyway? Suspicious that he lives in Switzerland and has disappeared since the Swiss takeover!!
Big Bad Bob Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: Where is Alpine anyway? Suspicious that he lives in Switzerland and has disappeared since the Swiss takeover!! Careful that's like saying a Glaswegian lives in Edinburgh. He currently resides in Austria!!
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 Big Bad Bob said: Careful that's like saying a Glaswegian lives in Edinburgh. He currently resides in Austria!! Same place - Tomoto, Tamato
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: Where is Alpine anyway? Suspicious that he lives in Switzerland and has disappeared since the Swiss takeover!! perhaps there is nothing to moan about at the moment
Johnny Shearer Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 End of the day we're all going to moan one way or another!
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I can't believe that there's only been 1 signing this week. Sack the manager & The board!
lordswoodsaints Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Toadhall Saint said: So let me get this right - Pardew says he wants to finish mid table. What would you say then? He's being realistic or he lacks drive and/or ambition? All I am saying is a top 2 finish (automatic promotion) is very very unlikely for us unless we can get some quality in the team..... This could only happen if we pay good money for players transfer fees or get decent players for nothing who command high wages,either way they need to spend good money. Success costs I'm afraid,especially as we are starting on -10 in a league we have no experience in. Going back to your question,if pardew came out and said I want to finish mid table maybe pushing for a play off place then I would say that is realistic.I wouldn't be satisfied but I know that mid table is probably how good it will get for this season........however,if pardew wants a top 2 finish then a minor miracle will have to happen,players will need to be bought because with our current crop of players it is going to be a long hard winter. If pardew has said he wants auto promotion then he better have a plan which involves bringing in 5 or 6 players otherwise come may he is going to look very silly indeed.
Gingeletiss Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 The only quote that he has stated he wants a top two place..........has come from the fingers of the Original Bournmouth Saint, who claims it has come secondhand from player interviews........ So this whole debate is based on heresay anyway!!!
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 lordswoodsaints said: All I am saying is a top 2 finish (automatic promotion) is very very unlikely for us unless we can get some quality in the team..... This could only happen if we pay good money for players transfer fees or get decent players for nothing who command high wages,either way they need to spend good money. Success costs I'm afraid,especially as we are starting on -10 in a league we have no experience in. Going back to your question,if pardew came out and said I want to finish mid table maybe pushing for a play off place then I would say that is realistic.I wouldn't be satisfied but I know that mid table is probably how good it will get for this season........however,if pardew wants a top 2 finish then a minor miracle will have to happen,players will need to be bought because with our current crop of players it is going to be a long hard winter. If pardew has said he wants auto promotion then he better have a plan which involves bringing in 5 or 6 players otherwise come may he is going to look very silly indeed. I see what your saying and I agree in the main however, if Pardew doesn't aim high then he would be pilloried on here. I think the type of players that you are alluding too will be brought in but I don't think they will be "big name" players as I personally think that type of player will not come to play in the league we are in. I'm sure the money is there but as with everything these things take time. Granted we do not have the time due to the protracted take over but that does not mean that Pardew cannot achieve what he has set out to do.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 Gingeletiss said: The only quote that he has stated he wants a top two place..........has come from the fingers of the Original Bournmouth Saint, who claims it has come secondhand from player interviews........ So this whole debate is based on heresay anyway!!! Read the echo paper or website, both players (Harding and Murty) mention it in the interviews. Its therefore not hearsay but a fact!
lordswoodsaints Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Toadhall Saint said: I see what your saying and I agree in the main however, if Pardew doesn't aim high then he would be pilloried on here. I think the type of players that you are alluding too will be brought in but I don't think they will be "big name" players as I personally think that type of player will not come to play in the league we are in. I'm sure the money is there but as with everything these things take time. Granted we do not have the time due to the protracted take over but that does not mean that Pardew cannot achieve what he has set out to do. I have no doubt he will eventually achieve a top 2 finish,I just don't think it will be this season unless money is spent. I have no illusions about world class players signing,I think all we need to do is buy players that are too good for L1 or go down the 'pompey route',getting good players for nothing but pay them decent wages like they did with Merson etc. Tbh pardews quotes are probably something to do with selling season tickets,the fans want to hear positive expectations however far fetched they are in reality. At the moment my expectations are to stay in L1,but this will change if a couple of decent players are bought,maybe a playoff place but if 5 or 6 players are bought in then there is no reason why a top 6 position cannot be unrealistic.
Gingeletiss Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Original_Bournemouth_saint said: Read the echo paper or website, both players (Harding and Murty) mention it in the interviews. Its therefore not hearsay but a fact! It is a fact when AP say's it.......until then, it is heresay. I'm not saying you're wrong, but please don't claim it as 'fact'.
CB Fry Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Gingeletiss said: The only quote that he has stated he wants a top two place..........has come from the fingers of the Original Bournmouth Saint, who claims it has come secondhand from player interviews........ So this whole debate is based on heresay anyway!!! Yeah, because Pardew agrees with the divs on here that think we should be dancing in the streets if we scrape fifth from bottom. Pardew wants us promoted next season, don't worry about that.
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 lordswoodsaints said: I have no doubt he will eventually achieve a top 2 finish,I just don't think it will be this season unless money is spent. I have no illusions about world class players signing,I think all we need to do is buy players that are too good for L1 or go down the 'pompey route',getting good players for nothing but pay them decent wages like they did with Merson etc. Tbh pardews quotes are probably something to do with selling season tickets,the fans want to hear positive expectations however far fetched they are in reality. At the moment my expectations are to stay in L1,but this will change if a couple of decent players are bought,maybe a playoff place but if 5 or 6 players are bought in then there is no reason why a top 6 position cannot be unrealistic. I'll agree we need 5/6 new faces but I still say that its not easy to get those 5/6 players (with or without the money) in in time for the start of the season. We are on the back foot at the mo' but I believe by the time the transfer window closes he will have recruited what he requires.
Greenridge Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 CB Fry said: Yeah, because Pardew agrees with the divs on here that think we should be dancing in the streets if we scrape fifth from bottom. Pardew wants us promoted next season, don't worry about that. I'm sure he does but what he wants and what he thinks is achievable might not necessarily be one of the same.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 CB Fry said: Yeah, because Pardew agrees with the divs on here that think we should be dancing in the streets if we scrape fifth from bottom. Pardew wants us promoted next season, don't worry about that. who you calling a div?
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 Gingeletiss said: It is a fact when AP say's it.......until then, it is heresay. I'm not saying you're wrong, but please don't claim it as 'fact'. how much 'fact' do you need? AP has been qouted by 2 players in past 24 hours. he has clearly said he wonts top 2 - therefore it's a fact. what do you find so difficult?
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