Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I suggest he buys some better players quick then!!
South City Si Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Lol! Good luck with Alan! Glad I bought a ST this year as it should be interesting.
Wes Tender Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I suggest he buys some better players quick then!! I admire him for his right mental attitude. None of this spending of several millions and hoping to perhaps reach the play-offs that was Burley's trademark. I always believe that unless you set out to win, you will fail.
CB Fry Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Nice one Pards. Bit sick of reading on here how we should be thankful if we "just stay up" this season in a league with Oldham, Gillingham, Exeter and Yeovil. Pardew will expect bare minimum Play off form (which would see us probably ninth or tenth) and hope for championship form (which would see us in the play offs). Top two (record-breaking form) is a hell of a stretch but fair play if that is his benchmark. Our new manager and our new owners have bigger ambitions than many of the fans.
Pilchards Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 (edited) Wow this bloke is a winner! I can't understand why he has not got his coaching team in yet as I know Dillon was on the radio last week which suggests he would not of been on holiday. Good Luck Alan in sorting out the total **** you have been left with thanks to Rupert Lowe running a clueless football club. Edited 24 July, 2009 by Pilchards
bristolsaint29 Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Just been announced he's on Talksport at 0930
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Where has he said this? I think it was in an interview with Harding in the echo last night. Not directly quoted from Pardew persee (sic).
krissyboy31 Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I think it was in an interview with Harding in the echo last night. Not directly quoted from Pardew persee (sic). Graeme Murty says it in this interview.......http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11700_5446117,00.html
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Good, aim high, raise the bar then those around you are aware of the expectation level, no going through the motions a rocket right through the camp
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Wow this bloke is a winner! I can't understand why he has not got his coaching team in yet as I know Dillon was on the radio last week which suggests he would not of been on holiday. Good Luck Alan in sorting out the total **** you have been left with thanks to Rupert Lowe running a clueless football club. Yes you are so right no Stadium and an extremely wealthy backer so different from previous regimes
lordswoodsaints Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Let me get this right.... Pardew wants instant promotion We start on -10 We are according to some the 4th richest club in the uk..(?) Pardew is looking for bosmans and loans Call me old fashioned but unless people at the club pull their fingers out of their arses and spend some money on a few decent players then at best we are going to be just another average L1 club with little ambition. If you want to think big (like pardew is) then you need to spend big......as yet I havnt seen any sign of that,in fact on another thread they are still talking about keeping the corners closed because of the cost!?!
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Let me get this right.... Pardew wants instant promotion We start on -10 We are according to some the 4th richest club in the uk..(?) Pardew is looking for bosmans and loans Call me old fashioned but unless people at the club pull their fingers out of their arses and spend some money on a few decent players then at best we are going to be just another average L1 club with little ambition. If you want to think big (like pardew is) then you need to spend big......as yet I havnt seen any sign of that,in fact on another thread they are still talking about keeping the corners closed because of the cost!?! So let me get this right - Pardew says he wants to finish mid table. What would you say then? He's being realistic or he lacks drive and/or ambition?
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 So let me get this right - Pardew says he wants to finish mid table. What would you say then? He's being realistic or he lacks drive and/or ambition? I dont think Pardew has said anything about where we may finish this season. With the -10 deduction and a new team he expects to be mid table by Christmas. Which seems realistic and if we are there and playing well investment may be available to push us on to higher things
Wes Tender Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Let me get this right.... Pardew wants instant promotion We start on -10 We are according to some the 4th richest club in the uk..(?) Pardew is looking for bosmans and loans Call me old fashioned but unless people at the club pull their fingers out of their arses and spend some money on a few decent players then at best we are going to be just another average L1 club with little ambition. If you want to think big (like pardew is) then you need to spend big......as yet I havnt seen any sign of that,in fact on another thread they are still talking about keeping the corners closed because of the cost!?! It's still a bit early in the day to be making judgments, isn't it? We were only bought out of receivership 5 minutes ago and Pardew only appointed two minutes ago figuratively. A football hasn't even been kicked in anger this season yet.
batterseasaint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Let me get this right.... Pardew wants instant promotion We start on -10 We are according to some the 4th richest club in the uk..(?) Pardew is looking for bosmans and loans Call me old fashioned but unless people at the club pull their fingers out of their arses and spend some money on a few decent players then at best we are going to be just another average L1 club with little ambition. If you want to think big (like pardew is) then you need to spend big......as yet I havnt seen any sign of that,in fact on another thread they are still talking about keeping the corners closed because of the cost!?! I actually think it is quite difficult to spend money in this league AND get value for money. If you have to pay for a player, then it means they have a contract with another club, which means it would be very difficult to tempt them down to League 1. And if we signed L1 players for, say, 100k, I would imagine you will be the first to moan that we lack ambition because we're only signing L1 players. Much rather we go for Bosmans such as Harding, Lita, etc., whilst trying to pick up Premiership loan players like Jack Cork. Fact is, there is a higher quality market for us in the Bosmans etc. than there is for contracted players. And as for opening up the corners... why should they, if they aren't going to sell enough tickets to warrant it? My guess is they are waiting to see how many ST sales we get.
mynameisthehulk Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Let me get this right.... Pardew wants instant promotion We start on -10 We are according to some the 4th richest club in the uk..(?) Pardew is looking for bosmans and loans Call me old fashioned but unless people at the club pull their fingers out of their arses and spend some money on a few decent players then at best we are going to be just another average L1 club with little ambition. If you want to think big (like pardew is) then you need to spend big......as yet I havnt seen any sign of that,in fact on another thread they are still talking about keeping the corners closed because of the cost!?! There are loads of decent players available on a free, why spend money on transfer fees when there is no need?
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 There are loads of decent players available on a free, why spend money on transfer fees when there is no need? If you read Pardew's Comments he is Looking for Bosmans with priority as there are bargains to be found and putting feelers out for loans and other players. A pretty good approach I would have thought but we need to be patient
Saint Paul C Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 There are loads of decent players available on a free, why spend money on transfer fees when there is no need? Because some people are a bit thick and can't see that decent players are regularly available on a free transfer (M Owen etc...)
del boy Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Part of negotiating is to set you "opponent's" expectations. Going round saying you've got billions to spend might not be the best idea. Alternatively, he might not have much money after all!
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Because some people are a bit thick and can't see that decent players are regularly available on a free transfer (M Owen etc...) But there are also loads of players Like Kaka and Ronaldo who can be bought on the transfer market
Saint Paul C Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 But there are also loads of players Like Kaka and Ronaldo who can be bought on the transfer market Why spend money on something when you can get an equivalent for free? Is it a Gen-Y thing?
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Why spend money on something when you can get an equivalent for free? Is it a Gen-Y thing? I agree if they are equivilent but I was expecting to buy better players
Panda Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I say this again! http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=391918
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I say this again! http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=391918 He is working hard at the moment and is confident of success http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4510368.Much_phoning__not_enough_training_ground_for_Saints_boss/
eelpie Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Let me get this right.... Pardew wants instant promotion We start on -10 We are according to some the 4th richest club in the uk..(?) Pardew is looking for bosmans and loans Call me old fashioned but unless people at the club pull their fingers out of their arses and spend some money on a few decent players then at best we are going to be just another average L1 club with little ambition. If you want to think big (like pardew is) then you need to spend big......as yet I havnt seen any sign of that,in fact on another thread they are still talking about keeping the corners closed because of the cost!?! I think the new owner is aware of the mistakes that Burley made in spending but not delivering, and is saying to the club, 'Show me determination and strategy first before I spend big money." AP may be manager but he has to prove himself as well as the players that he has inherited. Half the players may not be good enough, but he has to see which ones have any potential that he can work on, because ML is not going to replace the whole team.
Chez Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 if he wants a top 2 finish then he is going to have to totally revamp the side and that means bringing in 8 or 9 top quality players. There are several bosmans that meet this criteria who will demand high wages for this level, but we are also going to have to raid the best of league 1 and 2 paying real transfer money. Exciting times.
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Our new manager and our new owners have bigger ambitions than many of the fans. previous managers should have lead with this atitude
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 A top two finish must be highly unlikely this season , we'd have to out perform established L1 clubs (such as Leeds) and both the other ex CCC clubs that came down with us - none of whom are handicapped with minus 10 points I might add . If that wasn't enough of a problem our squad (as it stands anyway) is significantly weaker than the group that failed so dismally last season and Alan Pardew has precious little time to sort it out before the season starts . There's nothing wrong with ambition however , if AP sets the lads a hard target and they fall just a little short of that we may still find ourselves in the play-offs - at least that's not entirely out of the question which is more than any sensible person could have said this time last year .
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Why spend money on something when you can get an equivalent for free? Is it a Gen-Y thing? I bet ole rupes is wondering where people like you have been for the last 10 years
Amesbury Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 to have a top 2 finish with -10 points start how many defeats can we have 5?
Saint Paul C Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I bet ole rupes is wondering where people like you have been for the last 10 years He had a very misguided approach to signing players - not only did he not want to spend much cash (compared to other teams in the same league as us at the time) but also had the silly wage cap (45 players on crap wages rather than 20 on decent) which prevented us from signing decent players on a free due to wages. A combination of these poorly thought out strategies has led to our relegations.
eelpie Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I say this again! http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=391918 It's not a like-for-like analogy. You can ship out your JobCentre staff when the crisis is over. AP will have around 40 players by the time he has got in the ones he really needs. And it ain't easy to sell dross. So he has to ensure that the guys he brings in are good enough for the long term. He is spending hours on the phone trying to do deals, then has to see them in action. Meanwhile we have to manage with what we have. What he does really urgently need is his own trainer.
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 He had a very misguided approach to signing players - not only did he not want to spend much cash (compared to other teams in the same league as us at the time) but also had the silly wage cap (45 players on crap wages rather than 20 on decent) which prevented us from signing decent players on a free due to wages. A combination of these poorly thought out strategies has led to our relegations. So easy to say without the responsibility of balancing the books. Today we are so lucky a free stadium and a wealthy backer someting we could have only dreamed of five years ago
John B Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 AP will have around 40 players by the time he has got in the ones he really needs. . I dont think that we be the case we have already lost Saejis Surman Euell Skacel McGoldrick from last season. Probably another two will go so the Squad will be roughly the same size
WestSaint Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 There is an expression - Aim for the stars and you will shoot above the treetops Perhaps AP may realise that top two is very difficult but if that is his aim then the play offs may be a realty
Window Cleaner Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 to have a top 2 finish with -10 points start how many defeats can we have 5? We'd need 90+ points, say 93, that's 31 wins, if we could get that many we could get beaten 15 times.However 31 wins is a lot, 28 wins,9 draws and 9 defeats would be my route-map for a 93 point finish.
S-Clarke Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Burley got slated for NOT having this attitude. In our playoff season, even though we spent £8m, all he said was ''we'll see if we can make the top 6'' - even though we did, i admit we should have been pushing more for the top 2. If your manager is ambitious, the players attitudes often follow..
Big Bad Bob Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 to have a top 2 finish with -10 points start how many defeats can we have 5? We would need 3 more wins and 1 draw more than the team that finishes 3rd. Oh, and a better GD (or is it GS in this league??)
thefuriousb Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 If you want to think big (like pardew is) then you need to spend big......as yet I havnt seen any sign of that,in fact on another thread they are still talking about keeping the corners closed because of the cost!?! That is absolute nonsense. It is all about spending money on the right players. This may be paying them more per week (Bosmans), then paying club x £1m, then having to pay the player high wages too. The sides that have had success in the past few seasons and punched above their weight have been very very astute, not stupid, with money. In fact, you only have to look down the road to see how if you "sign" the right kind of player then you can get great returns. Merson, Sheringham, Prosinecki; Berger all cost nada yet helped in either their promotion or relegation battles before becoming (cough) established in the PL Wigan, Bolton, Hull, Derby, Bristol City, Burnley, Doncaster, Blackpool are also sides that have gained promotion and/or consolidated by spending wisely.
samoakley Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 If John signs a new contract we have the one of or the best strikers in this league and with Davis we have the best keeper in this league, so i have faith becasuse im sure Harding will prove me wrong and be better then Mills and have a quality season with the rest of the back 4 hopefully containing Thomas and Perry and were have plently of clean sheets and with John plenty of goals.
Trumush Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 He had a very misguided approach to signing players - not only did he not want to spend much cash (compared to other teams in the same league as us at the time) but also had the silly wage cap (45 players on crap wages rather than 20 on decent) which prevented us from signing decent players on a free due to wages. A combination of these poorly thought out strategies has led to our relegations. Spot on.Summed up absolutely right.We have'nt competed on a level playing field for all the year's Lowe was in charge. Hopefully now we can get it right and start the climb back.
Panda Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 It's not a like-for-like analogy. You can ship out your JobCentre staff when the crisis is over. AP will have around 40 players by the time he has got in the ones he really needs. And it ain't easy to sell dross. So he has to ensure that the guys he brings in are good enough for the long term. He is spending hours on the phone trying to do deals, then has to see them in action. Meanwhile we have to manage with what we have. What he does really urgently need is his own trainer. 40 players when the crisis is over? I think that is a bit of an exaggeration! What has he got at the moment -say 24 but 10 of those still very much 'work in progress' so he has 14 players to depend on. Say he picks up six 'frees' to give him a squad of 20 - still not a big squad. Also, you can't 'ship out your Job Centre staff' when you don't want them any more. If you took on temps from an agency you could but not employees. You have to be a bit selective in the staff you take on of course, but my point is that some of the six, at least half, I am sure will do a good job for you longer term. There are always risks (ala Smith, Molyneax, Pullis, etc).
mickyp Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 we need players and quick. also need to get confidence back as i reckon we have got some half decent players but they have been missed managed for so long their confidence has just got lower and lower and they go out thinking they are going to lose or make mistakes
dellgirl Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Don't you think that with a tough manager as I hope and pray A.P. is..we will see a very different team quite quickly,and the non tryers will be got rid of pdq. He may bring in a couple more but don't you think the January transfer is when he will make big signings using other systems in the meantime so he does have the wherewithal to get is up the table in the second half of the season..and the team we have must earn their money in the meantime?
Gingeletiss Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 I suspect you will see a couple of 'trialists' against Hearts........just a my intuition!!
eelpie Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 40 players when the crisis is over? I think that is a bit of an exaggeration! What has he got at the moment -say 24 but 10 of those still very much 'work in progress' so he has 14 players to depend on. Say he picks up six 'frees' to give him a squad of 20 - still not a big squad. Also, you can't 'ship out your Job Centre staff' when you don't want them any more. If you took on temps from an agency you could but not employees. You have to be a bit selective in the staff you take on of course, but my point is that some of the six, at least half, I am sure will do a good job for you longer term. There are always risks (ala Smith, Molyneax, Pullis, etc). We've 28 currently on the books, and around at least 15 are not up to standard or possibly 'for the future'. If our 'JobCentre players' have to be on long term contracts, it is even more important to ensure that they are good enough to be here long term. It takes time to find them, and trial them.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2009 Author Posted 24 July, 2009 we need players and quick. also need to get confidence back as i reckon we have got some half decent players but they have been missed managed for so long their confidence has just got lower and lower and they go out thinking they are going to lose or make mistakes Agreed - new players (good players) needed FAST Coaching set-up also needs to be concluded FAST (sounds like AP is struggling to juggle everything) Despite having a new owner and more fan optomism, we are actually no better off then a few weeks back - in some respects much worse off. - We have lost all our 'warm-up' matches (this will not help confidence) - We have signed one player (ability unknown) - We have a well respected manager who readily admits he is swamped - Season starts in a couple of weeks
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