Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Why bring his name up?! The guy hadn't a clue about Football and is a complete, clueless w*nker! Look at the remnants of his disasterous tenures?! Move on old boy! He's history!! Time for some level headed businessmen and football people to have a go... Time marches on! (much like The Saints!) all true..i agree i just find is fascinating how attitudes change so quickly.. not so long ago previous regimes would get slaughtered for going after free transfers etc..you know anyway, onwards and upwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Am I the only one who smells something not quite right about this 'focus' on free transfers? Don't forget that 90%+ of transfers in L1 are frees. The record signing to date has been Huddlefield's 500K for Robbie Simpson, followed by Norwich's 250K for Owain Tudor Jones, followed by Mk Dons 200K for Jermaine Easter and then one or two signings around the 100K mark. You don't need to spend alot of money in this division; and many of the frees - Kisnorbo etc- are arguably better than the biggish money signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 I would be far more worried if he came out and said he thinks the squad is complete and ready because we all know it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Well, firstly I don't think that he should stand up and say "we`ve got plenty of cash. Now where can I spend it?". Secondly it makes sense to have a good look around and see whats available for "free". e.g., I seem to remember that Dean Richards was a free transfer. And thirdly I don`t think that AP has actually ruled out paying transfer fees if neccessary. I think that he is doing the right thing. exactly - why pay when you can get it for free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 I would be far more worried if he came out and said he thinks the squad is complete and ready because we all know it isn't. You mean like Poortvliet did last season, you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Any fool can flash someone elses cash but a wise man does some prudent housekeeping to begin with and assesses what he has and then decides where the money should be spent to bring about the results the owner and the fans so richly deserve. It will be interesting to see how far Manchester City will go with their vulgar display of wealth,what a hotchpotch of egos before we get to talent....... Well said. Long term success is about the proper planning and not running before you can walk...or even shoot straight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 all true..i agree i just find is fascinating how attitudes change so quickly.. not so long ago previous regimes would get slaughtered for going after free transfers etc..you know anyway, onwards and upwards Yes .... but the point you have to remember is this ..... THEN .... we were in the Prem ........... OR, alternatively ..... THEN .....we were in the CCC ...... What they should have got slaughtered for was not the fact they didn't go after FREE transfers ........... it was the fact that they did NOT go after enough DECENT MONEY Transfers to keep us in the Prem and CCC Alan Pardew is having to try to build right from the bottom ... due mainly to "someones" idiotic theory that our Youth Team could hold their own in the CCC We are woefully weak .... AP knows that, as so did many pundits at the time of "The Great Experiment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 all true..i agree i just find is fascinating how attitudes change so quickly.. not so long ago previous regimes would get slaughtered for going after free transfers etc..you know anyway, onwards and upwards A bright new new dawn and a fresh new start breeds optimism, don't cha know?! Not wishing to drag up past failures but our past leaders couldn't have made worse decisions and virtually destroyed our club through a long running series of ridiculous decisions and pathetic appointments destined to fail from the onset. So, all the cynicism emanating from their tenure is thoroughly deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 The newly issued squad no list show 6,7&12 unallocated with Saganowski and Rasiak allocated 4&9. Looks like up to 5 signings to come with any loan player taking higher vacant no's As the newly allocated squad list isn't allowed to have any gaps in it - they're SUPPOSED to be sequential - I'd suggest that isn't going to be the final list we send to the Football League - and the most telling empty number at the moment is "Stern John's" previously-worn number 14. 6,7,12,14 and 16 are all empty, the rest are sequential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 “The market that I’m focusing on now is the Bosman market, because I don’t want to lose the gems that are still floating around in that area, because they’re going to be gone soon,” he said. Ok, here goes nothing....first cynical comment from me in this new world where such cynicism is frowned upon.... Am I the only one who smells something not quite right about this 'focus' on free transfers? Ok, ok, I know he says that he isn't exclusively looking at frees but surely he should be looking at his squad and pinpointing what type of player and what calibre he needs for each position that is insufficiently equipped for a League 1 play-off push. Once he's got his shortlist of players that he needs he should then either (a) invite them for a trial if they are free agents or (b) make a formal approach/bid to their current club. Isn't this broader more inclusive approach better than an arbitrary ring-fencing of players that just happen to be available on a free transfer? Identify the players you want first and foremost and then concern yourself with how 'free' they are? No? Anyway, back to the required level of positivity now. I apologise unreservedly for my indiscretion. I suspect that market is easier to tie up deals quickly due to the out of contract status of such players which links with our current situation of needing to improve quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 “The market that I’m focusing on now is the Bosman market, because I don’t want to lose the gems that are still floating around in that area, because they’re going to be gone soon,” he said. Ok, here goes nothing....first cynical comment from me in this new world where such cynicism is frowned upon.... Am I the only one who smells something not quite right about this 'focus' on free transfers? Ok, ok, I know he says that he isn't exclusively looking at frees but surely he should be looking at his squad and pinpointing what type of player and what calibre he needs for each position that is insufficiently equipped for a League 1 play-off push. Once he's got his shortlist of players that he needs he should then either (a) invite them for a trial if they are free agents or (b) make a formal approach/bid to their current club. Isn't this broader more inclusive approach better than an arbitrary ring-fencing of players that just happen to be available on a free transfer? Identify the players you want first and foremost and then concern yourself with how 'free' they are? No? Anyway, back to the required level of positivity now. I apologise unreservedly for my indiscretion. it more to do with timescale. Out of contract players won't be out of contract for very long if they are any good so they need to be addressed now - there is only so much time in the day, whilst in contract players will still be available to AP until 31st August when the window closes. Loans can obviously be taken on throughout the season so the urgency is just not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 What, players like Leroy Lita?! Been released from Reading since May, not been snapped up yet, so by your theory he's crap and on the scrap heap of unwanted footballers?! Not according to Middlesborough or Leicester! Just cos players have been released it doesn't make them poor quality players. It just means they've refused (if offered) to sign a new contract and have subsequently been released, they weren't offered a new contract or they couldn't agree a new contract. Or, they've held out for a Bosman free so they can get a big signing on fee. Yes in general most players released and not yet picked up will be crap and/or not good enough for my team. clearly there will be a few exceptions, but I was writing a general assumption not 100% fact. My point was more that signing the best player from 2 or 3 teams would be more productive than buying players needing a 2nd chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Glad to see Pardew has quickly grasped that we still have a lot of sub standard players to pass through the revolving door. Last season's team/squad was one of the worst in English football - across all 4 divisions. Looking forward to seeing some proper footballers arrive to join up with the handful we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 see as we all now agree we have a pretty shyt squad..wotte points per game ratio was not that bad really when looking at his tools..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 wotte points per game ratio was not that bad really when looking at his tools..lol Exactly how I'd describe them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 In the early stages after the takeover ML made it clear that the plan was for a return to the PL. He also made it clear that might mean different managers and players for different stages of that campaign. If we go and spend money for players to take us out of League 1, they won't be easy to sell again if they disappoint or are not good enough for the CCC. Then we won't recoup the money. We might also, like Newcastle for instance, have a big and expensive squad we can't sell, nor use. The players we sign this year might not be with us in CCC. We really don't want to store up debt and trouble for the future. Everything is done right for a change, not just for today, but for the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 In the early stages after the takeover ML made it clear that the plan was for a return to the PL. He also made it clear that might mean different managers and players for different stages of that campaign. If we go and spend money for players to take us out of League 1, they won't be easy to sell again if they disappoint or are not good enough for the CCC. Then we won't recoup the money. We might also, like Newcastle for instance, have a big and expensive squad we can't sell, nor use. The players we sign this year might not be with us in CCC. We really don't want to store up debt and trouble for the future. Everything is done right for a change, not just for today, but for the long run. Too true - we have players now that we cannot get rid of because of their salary expectations, so we end up with players that do not want to play for us but we still have to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Glad to see Pardew has quickly grasped that we still have a lot of sub standard players to pass through the revolving door. Last season's team/squad was one of the worst in English football - across all 4 divisions. Looking forward to seeing some proper footballers arrive to join up with the handful we already have. If I think of the players who played last season and are still here, who would I like to see on the team sheet every week? - Kelvin, Perry and Gillet comes readily to mind. Adding in Harding and Stern that makes 5. In a squad of 18 we still need 13. Add a few of the better youngsters for the bench like Mills, Paterson, Lancashire (maybe), and we're still looking for another 10!!! Am I missing any gems here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Exactly. I accept that Liebherr shouldn't be expected to flash his wallet around willy nilly but the approach that Pardew is suggesting is at completely the other end of the scale. If we don't buy at least one 'class' League 1 experienced player in the next couple of weeks I will be a tad disappointed and/or curious as to why not. I may even be provoked into inventing a conspiracy theory or two.... Don't you think Dan Harding for free looks a good deal ? He played for Reading, on loan, last season - surely he's suitable for Lge 1 and he's free. Why pay when you can get good players for free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 If I think of the players who played last season and are still here, who would I like to see on the team sheet every week? - Kelvin, Perry and Gillet comes readily to mind. Adding in Harding and Stern that makes 5. In a squad of 18 we still need 13. Add a few of the better youngsters for the bench like Mills, Paterson, Lancashire (maybe), and we're still looking for another 10!!! Am I missing any gems here? I'd definitely have Holmes in the team if he was match fit. Which of course was the problem last season. And Gobern and Thomson will both come good and are at least squad-worthy. I'd keep Wotton too, though not for anything he does on the pitch, but he does seem to be the kind of pro that would pass on helpful advice and scare some of them into performing. Lloyd James and McLaggon as well... Doble and Saville based on preseason and Boyle on preseason and reserve performances. So there's 9 more. And I'm pretty confident a fit Thomas would be good at this level. So there's your 10. Plus Rasiak and/or John are possibles though not here last season, so 12. And now you can start looking for players to sign to improve that squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Well, firstly I don't think that he should stand up and say "we`ve got plenty of cash. Now where can I spend it?". Secondly it makes sense to have a good look around and see whats available for "free". e.g., I seem to remember that Dean Richards was a free transfer. And thirdly I don`t think that AP has actually ruled out paying transfer fees if neccessary. I think that he is doing the right thing. Dean Richards AND Paul Williams. Also, he may be looking for players that can perform in the Championship as well as league one, and as such the players we're after are in a position to turn down deals from their current clubs in order to get a bosman pay day from the financial big boys of the lower leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Dean Richards AND Paul Williams. Also, he may be looking for players that can perform in the Championship as well as league one, and as such the players we're after are in a position to turn down deals from their current clubs in order to get a bosman pay day from the financial big boys of the lower leagues. Notts County? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larrylove Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Notts County may find it trickier than they imagine as there wage bill is restricted to 60% of turnover I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 But why the apparent need to arbitrarily categorise where one looks for players though? Just target the type and calibre of players one actually needs and then worry about whether they are free or not? Isn't any other approach a compromise? p.s. yes, I know I talk pants....my Red Indian name is Chief Talking B*****ks afterall I reckon that is exactly what he is doing and then checking out if they are available on a Bosman, if not, then I imagine he will plug the gaps by paying transfer fees ! TBH I would do the same with my own money as basically you can always make mistakes with players whether they are cheap or astronomically expensive !!! Ps. Trousers, you are my favourite poster and I don't like to see you in a mood so please don't put me on your list of bogeymen !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Another point to look at is what's happened with Chelsea and Man City. They've openly stated they're willing to spend cash and everyone's price has gone up as a result. If other clubs think we've got a chairman that isn't willing to spend much money, we're less likely to be in the same boat... It makes sense for the club to have this face to the public (including us!) whether we're going to end up spending money or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 i wonder if it would have been shrewd if rupert was here..? It wouldnt have happened if Rupert was here. We'd still have Wotte and a load of bull OS stories about how good the kids are and how they'll be ready for the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Nut Can Cut You Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Another point to look at is what's happened with Chelsea and Man City. They've openly stated they're willing to spend cash and everyone's price has gone up as a result. If other clubs think we've got a chairman that isn't willing to spend much money, we're less likely to be in the same boat... It makes sense for the club to have this face to the public (including us!) whether we're going to end up spending money or not. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Exactly. I accept that Liebherr shouldn't be expected to flash his wallet around willy nilly but the approach that Pardew is suggesting is at completely the other end of the scale. If we don't buy at least one 'class' League 1 experienced player in the next couple of weeks I will be a tad disappointed and/or curious as to why not. I may even be provoked into inventing a conspiracy theory or two.... AP said, and you quoted, "The market that I’m focusing on now is the Bosman market, because I don’t want to lose the gems that are still floating around in that area, because they’re going to be gone soon,” he said. Why do you quote what he said and then carry on as if he didn't say it? What's wrong with concentrating on Bosmans now bearing in mind AP believes there can be gems floating around that may be gone soon. Can't we let the guy get on with it without trying to second guess/contradict/negatively interpret everything he says right from the off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 (edited) I get the impression that Pardew has already lined up targets but just happen to be available on a free transfer and thay are his priority for the time being. More than happy with Dan Harding a player who is better than League one standard. Edited 23 July, 2009 by The Godfather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Exactly. I accept that Liebherr shouldn't be expected to flash his wallet around willy nilly but the approach that Pardew is suggesting is at completely the other end of the scale. If we don't buy at least one 'class' League 1 experienced player in the next couple of weeks I will be a tad disappointed and/or curious as to why not. I may even be provoked into inventing a conspiracy theory or two.... Provoked? Your very existence seems to me to be a conspiracy theory. IMO, Mt Liebherr will not spend money this club has not earned and therefore follow the doctorine of his father. Having a rich owner does not make us a wealthy club and it's ironic a year ago if we had sold our experienced players like we have and went scratching around for Bosman's there would have been uproar. Seems Hypochrondriac is now saying had Lowe last year told us we had no chance in our first game and that we had no money to spend he would have been perfectly happy. Its ok to be sh*t as long as the manager is honest and tells us we are sh*t - all managers and chairman past and present please take note. I wonder if Pardew will bring in Vincent Pericard who was released by Stoke. Pericard must be one of the best strikers around as the Messiah Pearson brought him in! Go on Alan be a tropper you know you want to.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Provoked? Your very existence seems to me to be a conspiracy theory. IMO, Mt Liebherr will not spend money this club has not earned and therefore follow the doctorine of his father. Having a rich owner does not make us a wealthy club and it's ironic a year ago if we had sold our experienced players like we have and went scratching around for Bosman's there would have been uproar. Seems Hypochrondriac is now saying had Lowe last year told us we had no chance in our first game and that we had no money to spend he would have been perfectly happy. Its ok to be sh*t as long as the manager is honest and tells us we are sh*t - all managers and chairman past and present please take note. I wonder if Pardew will bring in Vincent Pericard who was released by Stoke. Pericard must be one of the best strikers around as the Messiah Pearson brought him in! Go on Alan be a tropper you know you want to.... there is an element of truth in this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Provoked? Your very existence seems to me to be a conspiracy theory. IMO, Mt Liebherr will not spend money this club has not earned and therefore follow the doctorine of his father. Having a rich owner does not make us a wealthy club and it's ironic a year ago if we had sold our experienced players like we have and went scratching around for Bosman's there would have been uproar. Seems Hypochrondriac is now saying had Lowe last year told us we had no chance in our first game and that we had no money to spend he would have been perfectly happy. Its ok to be sh*t as long as the manager is honest and tells us we are sh*t - all managers and chairman past and present please take note. I wonder if Pardew will bring in Vincent Pericard who was released by Stoke. Pericard must be one of the best strikers around as the Messiah Pearson brought him in! Go on Alan be a tropper you know you want to.... You really need to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Well said. Long term success is about the proper planning and not running before you can walk...or even shoot straight! Whilst being encouraged to swing from the Itchen Bridge. Waiting for long term success is dependent on having a patient and supportive fan base. Not running before you can walk most of our team like last year have only just learned to walk. Times change as TDD said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 I'd definitely have Holmes in the team if he was match fit. Which of course was the problem last season. And Gobern and Thomson will both come good and are at least squad-worthy. I'd keep Wotton too, though not for anything he does on the pitch, but he does seem to be the kind of pro that would pass on helpful advice and scare some of them into performing. Lloyd James and McLaggon as well... Doble and Saville based on preseason and Boyle on preseason and reserve performances. So there's 9 more. And I'm pretty confident a fit Thomas would be good at this level. So there's your 10. Plus Rasiak and/or John are possibles though not here last season, so 12. And now you can start looking for players to sign to improve that squad. They can't all be on the bench so I imagine that you'd like to put Gobern, Thomson, McLaggon, Doble and Saville on the pitch to take on Millwall... James is not up to it as midfielder since he is still standing there waiting for the ball. If he hasn't learnt how to meet it yet then I think it's too late. He isn't a natural right back either. Thomas possibly, but can he stay fit for more than a game? The team on the pitch is what I'm after and not a bunch of youth players with potential. One or two of them at a time will do, let's remember what happened last year. They should learn most of the trade they should learn in the reserves. None of them is a Bridge, Bale or Walcott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Provoked? Your very existence seems to me to be a conspiracy theory. IMO, Mt Liebherr will not spend money this club has not earned and therefore follow the doctorine of his father. Having a rich owner does not make us a wealthy club and it's ironic a year ago if we had sold our experienced players like we have and went scratching around for Bosman's there would have been uproar. Seems Hypochrondriac is now saying had Lowe last year told us we had no chance in our first game and that we had no money to spend he would have been perfectly happy. Its ok to be sh*t as long as the manager is honest and tells us we are sh*t - all managers and chairman past and present please take note. I wonder if Pardew will bring in Vincent Pericard who was released by Stoke. Pericard must be one of the best strikers around as the Messiah Pearson brought him in! Go on Alan be a tropper you know you want to....NC, that it is true. ML rightly is beoing shown the respect he deserves for his decision to buy us.In time Im concerned that many fans will become unsettled as they will believe he should spend more. i myself accept his busineslike approach althoiugh I would prefer him to splash/subsidise 10m like MM did for Leicester last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 You really need to move on. I will when I have finished pointing out the hypocrisy of some posters on this thread. (Not Trousers I may add - just wanted to respond to his conspiracy theory comment) Hypo and Saint Robbie have done so many u-turns I don't think they know where they stand anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Whilst being encouraged to swing from the Itchen Bridge. Waiting for long term success is dependent on having a patient and supportive fan base. Not running before you can walk most of our team like last year have only just learned to walk. Times change as TDD said. ...and they will walk us right down into League 2 if they were left to get on with it. Luckily AP knows that, which fills me with confidence. The team against Millwall will look very little like the team of last year, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 I will when I have finished pointing out the hypocrisy of some posters on this thread. (Not Trousers I may add - just wanted to respond to his conspiracy theory comment) Hypo and Saint Robbie have done so many u-turns I don't think they know where they stand anymore. indeed about a month ago, wotte was a disgrace for taking us down...now it is the commen belief that our squad is shyt...if that is the case, wotte could not have donesuch a bad job.. which is it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 I reckon that is exactly what he is doing and then checking out if they are available on a Bosman, if not, then I imagine he will plug the gaps by paying transfer fees ! TBH I would do the same with my own money as basically you can always make mistakes with players whether they are cheap or astronomically expensive !!! Ps. Trousers, you are my favourite poster and I don't like to see you in a mood so please don't put me on your list of bogeymen !! Ok, ok....I've already acknowledged that I got out of the wrong side of bed this morning.... I don't know, prod the basket of Devil's Advocacy on here and one gets crucified Conciliatory marshmallow anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 I will when I have finished pointing out the hypocrisy of some posters on this thread. (Not Trousers I may add - just wanted to respond to his conspiracy theory comment) Cheers. Fancy a marshmallow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Marcus Hahnemann, Sami Hyypia, Lucas Neil, Lars Jacobsen, Stephen Kelly, Sean Davis, Lee Bowyer, Mehdi Nafti, Jermaine Pennant, Darius Vassell, Michael Owen...- all Bosmans this summer and still 3-4 weeks to go. Christ you could almost field a slightly aged but strong premiership team of them....oh yeh, like we did under McMenemy in the pre-Bosman days. Nobody complained then Bosman has nothing to do with talent or lack of it. Its just a reflection of where power lies in the game. In theory, better players are more likely to go on Bosmans because they don't need the security and inflexibility of a long-term contract, confident that owing to their ability, there'll always be teams interested in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larrylove Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 And to be fair I don't think AP would have come here without the promise of transfer funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 indeed about a month ago, wotte was a disgrace for taking us down...now it is the commen belief that our squad is shyt...if that is the case, wotte could not have donesuch a bad job.. which is it..? I don't think anybody could have done any better with that inexperienced and shell shocked squad with several holes where talent, experience, or both should have been. Still it all looked like a possibility before the administrators marched in and the kids lost heart totally. Wotte got lots of undeserved criticism for what he did, even though selection and tactics sometimes looked questionable. Nevertheless I think that AP is about as perfect a manager for our club as we could possibly have hoped for. He also had the guts to name the elephant in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 indeed about a month ago, wotte was a disgrace for taking us down...now it is the commen belief that our squad is shyt...if that is the case, wotte could not have donesuch a bad job.. which is it..? It seemingly does not occur to you that Wotte could have made the squad sh*te. He might have achieved this in a number of ways. Perhaps he was not capable of motivating them. Perhaps his tactics were poor. Perhaps his team selections were poor. Perhaps his man management skills were poor. The end result of any of these would be losing matches. With lost matches comes loss of confidence. Loss of confidence results in more lost matches, thus a downward spiral. Now, I'm not saying that Wotte was at fault for any of the above failings; merely that it could be the case that the same players might have achieved better results under a manager capable of doing the exact reverse, good motivator, tactician, team selextion and man management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 It seemingly does not occur to you that Wotte could have made the squad sh*te. He might have achieved this in a number of ways. . well, if that is the case seeing as pardew is obviously far superior to wotte in every way...no real need to bring players in really then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 It seemingly does not occur to you that Wotte could have made the squad sh*te. He might have achieved this in a number of ways. Perhaps he was not capable of motivating them. Perhaps his tactics were poor. Perhaps his team selections were poor. Perhaps his man management skills were poor. The end result of any of these would be losing matches. With lost matches comes loss of confidence. Loss of confidence results in more lost matches, thus a downward spiral. Now, I'm not saying that Wotte was at fault for any of the above failings; merely that it could be the case that the same players might have achieved better results under a manager capable of doing the exact reverse, good motivator, tactician, team selextion and man management. The situation was already there when he took over. The team had lost games and confidence and the boys were running around like headless chicken. He didn't manage to turn that around into avoiding relegation, but was that really a possibility in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 And to be fair I don't think AP would have come here without the promise of transfer funds. Some decent players are probably still available as their aspirations are too high. As the time gets closer to the season more realism may kick in. Like Skacel who signed late with no pre season and wasn't fit, it is likely that any we sign, unless they have been particularly professional, will not be match fit. With this in mind I would hope any signings from this source will be in the next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 The threat of multiple first team regulars coming in could be a reality check for some of the existing players and if they respond positively to the new regime, it could make them raise their game and step up to the plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 When numbers 6, 7, 12, 14 and 16 have signed up, perhaps we will feel a bit more positive. Oh, and the new Backroom squad, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 if we have loads of money why are we just looking at freebees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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