NickG Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/football/Tis-offered-Saints-job/article-1189178-detail/article.html
smithy Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Fair play to him, there's not much loyalty in the game anymore, he obviously feels he's still got things to achieve there.
lordswoodsaints Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Tbh I'm glad he did,I applaud his loyalty but why turn down the best job he would ever hope to achieve......if true. He wasn't the man for us.
John B Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 (edited) So Pardew is second best then. But I think I would probably have appointed him over Tisdale Edited 23 July, 2009 by John B
SO16_Saint Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 according to him......... not losing any sleep over that, TBH. AP is 10x the manager IMO.
Pilchards Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 We approached him to be Pardews balls and cones man. big deal ;-)
sussexsaint Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Nice to know their shortlist was very similar to ours then
Wes Tender Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 He obviously lacks ambition. Anyway, we only have his word for that. He might be using it to score brownie points with his bosses there. We might have been disappointed a few weeks back, but after ML, I'm afraid our own ambitions had put him further down the pecking order.
glkdcdes Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 I doubt he actually turned us down, as in was offered job and turned us down. He may well have been contacted for an interview or sounded out through his agent. We would not have offered a job to someone following an interview unless we new it would be accepted. imo
Paul Chuckle Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 don't believe it for 1 second If he did turn us down then it shows he has no ambition which i can't believe. Exeter will not go any higher than they are now and don't have facilities etc which we have. I also think the wage we would have offered would have tempted him instantly as i cannot believe he is on the same or similar wage to Pardew
Katalinic Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 I think Tisdale is a talented manager and as per my previous posts I would have been very happy for him to be here, but Pardew is a much better choice.
saint lard Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 How ever talented he maybe,i am more than happy,at this time,that Pardew was installed.
Saintleigh Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Was he offered by ML's regime or was it by the Pinnacle Group? There seemed to be fairly well founded rumours (on here anyway) that various meetings had been had about managers by Pinnacle and it may well be that they offered the job to PT but that was abandoned by ML when he bought us. Either way I prefer AP over PT
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 As suggested above would need this 'offer' to be substantiated our end but if true clearly he felt he was not ready for our job. I believe support, by some, for Tisdale gathered momentum and someone asked him if he would take the job, also believe we now have the right man for the job.
John B Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Perhaps the Echo could find out further information. I could understand Tisdale turning down an interview but SFC would need to get permission to talk to him surely
Pancake Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 I would echo the thoughts above that Tisdale was likely to have been sounded out when it looked like Pinnacle were 'on the brink' of buying us out; rather than after ML came in. IMHO of course.
dubai_phil Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Good. He is by all accounts a very talented manager and has done a good job in Exeter. However at THIS moment in time, as a club we really needed somebody with experience, who had seen more than one way of operating and who was experienced of walking into a new operation. Tisdale has the quality, but he doesn't have that aura with an underperforming squad that someone like AP would have. I think he would have made a fine manager for us, simply at this time it would not have been right. Once we have been stabilised and then rebuilt from the groun upwards, then when AP does move on, I maybe we could set our sights on "the next Tisdale". Just personally I think we have had far too many "potential up and coming inexperienced managers" over the past 6 years..... Gray Wigley Dodd JP Wotte That's a heck of a lot of attempts :-)
Dynamo Naive Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Wes Tender said: He obviously lacks ambition. Anyway, we only have his word for that. He might be using it to score brownie points with his bosses there. We might have been disappointed a few weeks back, but after ML, I'm afraid our own ambitions had put him further down the pecking order. Don't really think he's short on brownie points after two consecutive promotions do you? Still wouldn't be surprised to see him as Saints manager one day – definitely a talented manager.
JibMcdo Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 I wanted him before. But seeing how Pardew is organising the team and taking no crap, I think it would have been a mistake to hire a manager who attempts to let his football do the talking. We need a dictator!
um pahars Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 John B said: Perhaps the Echo could find out further information. I could understand Tisdale turning down an interview but SFC would need to get permission to talk to him surely I agree. Surely if we had asked for permission and they had rebuffed us, it would have been all over the press. Similarly, had they accepted our approach then I would have expected it to have been leaked somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if he was tentatively sounded out by one of the other consortiums (has Jackson got a batphone to Tisdale as well as Reid??). On these things when managers in situ are in play, it tends to come out whilst it's happening (for a variety of reasons e.g. bumping up compensation, bumping up wages, to court popularity etc etc etc). It could of course be totally kosher, it's just I don't buy it.
brmbrm Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 I got offerred the job as well but turned it down because I thought it insulting to offer it to Tisdale first. Well that's my story anyway.
Gorgiesaint Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 dubai_phil said: Good. He is by all accounts a very talented manager and has done a good job in Exeter. However at THIS moment in time, as a club we really needed somebody with experience, who had seen more than one way of operating and who was experienced of walking into a new operation. Tisdale has the quality, but he doesn't have that aura with an underperforming squad that someone like AP would have. I think he would have made a fine manager for us, simply at this time it would not have been right. Once we have been stabilised and then rebuilt from the groun upwards, then when AP does move on, I maybe we could set our sights on "the next Tisdale". Just personally I think we have had far too many "potential up and coming inexperienced managers" over the past 6 years..... Gray Wigley Dodd JP Wotte That's a heck of a lot of attempts :-) Thats the nail on the head for me. Whilst I think Tisdale will be a good manager, and go beyond what Exeter can offer - the time is just not right for him to come to Southampton. As AP has indicated, there is a massive amount of work to do with this squad in a very short space of time & his extra experience will count for a lot. AP is a very strong character and he is what the squad needs right now, I'm not sure Tisdale would have provided that.
BridgnorthSaint Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 The Grecians are going to struggle this season..... Shame I have a soft spot for Exeter.... My Grandad played for them
Clifford Nelson Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 The club had a shortlist of candidates they wanted to speak to, some wanted to speak, others didn't. That doesn't mean that anybody was first choice. If Tisdale actually turned down a job offer, then we would have made an offer to the club for his release as well. I really don't think it went that far. Tisdale's comments are meant for the Exeter fans and will re-assure them that he loves their club, blablabla.. Whatever the circumstances I am thoroughly delighted with AP and his straight talking. He has seen it all, knows what's wanted and intends to fix the team. A massive job, but I trust he will do it well. We couldn't have made a better choice.
Golden Balls Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 He clearly didn't turn down the job. Just an interview I would imagine.
rallyboy Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 There must be half a dozen people out there who consider they were in principle offered the Southampton job recently, but I don't think the man who actually owns the club was doing the offering. Fialka's wishlist must be a lengthy document. In Pardew we trust.
RonManager Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 rallyboy said: There must be half a dozen people out there who consider they were in principle offered the Southampton job recently, but I don't think the man who actually owns the club was doing the offering. Fialka's wishlist must be a lengthy document. In Pardew we trust. Tony Adams has been rather quiet. I would have thought he'd be all over the press saying he'd turned it down. After all, he was the bookies favourite.
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Clifford Nelson said: The club had a shortlist of candidates they wanted to speak to, some wanted to speak, others didn't. That doesn't mean that anybody was first choice. If Tisdale actually turned down a job offer, then we would have made an offer to the club for his release as well. I really don't think it went that far. Tisdale's comments are meant for the Exeter fans and will re-assure them that he loves their club, blablabla.. Whatever the circumstances I am thoroughly delighted with AP and his straight talking. He has seen it all, knows what's wanted and intends to fix the team. A massive job, but I trust he will do it well. We couldn't have made a better choice. Blimey thats twice in a day I find myself echoing your sentiments.
Crab Lungs Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Wes Tender said: He obviously lacks ambition. Anyway, we only have his word for that. He might be using it to score brownie points with his bosses there. We might have been disappointed a few weeks back, but after ML, I'm afraid our own ambitions had put him further down the pecking order. Please explain to me how that displays a lack of ambition? He's 36 and will get plenty of opportunity to move on in the future. So, by your reckoning, Matt Le Tissier was someone who 'lacked ambition' too, right? Or was he simply comfortable where he was, loyal and appreciative to the club and it's fans?
Wes Tender Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Yes, I'd say he lacked ambition if he was offered the job after Markus Leibherr took over. If it was the Pinnacle people, then perhaps not. Anyway, it's not clear whether he was actually offered it, or by whom. So you believe that there is some parallel between a player in the Premiership not wishing to move elsewhere because he was comfortable here and a manager in charge of a lower division team not wishing to avail himself of the opportunity to take over a club with a great stadium, good training facilities, available cash to build a new team in his image, etc? OK. Perhaps Tisdale's wife couldn't countenance moving too far from Exeter, like MLT's didn't want to move any further from Guernsey.
mcjwills Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Wes Tender said: Yes, I'd say he lacked ambition if he was offered the job after Markus Leibherr took over. If it was the Pinnacle people, then perhaps not. Anyway, it's not clear whether he was actually offered it, or by whom. So you believe that there is some parallel between a player in the Premiership not wishing to move elsewhere because he was comfortable here and a manager in charge of a lower division team not wishing to avail himself of the opportunity to take over a club with a great stadium, good training facilities, available cash to build a new team in his image, etc? OK. Perhaps Tisdale's wife couldn't countenance moving too far from Exeter, like MLT's didn't want to move any further from Guernsey. Could it just be a case of him wanting to carry on learning his trade in an environment that is not so much of a pressure cooker, there is plenty of time for that later in his career, when he has learnt his trade. Paul Ince was learning his trade in the lower leagues when he was plucked only for it to turn out a disaster due to the new clubs fans expectations. PT can carry on with Exeters fans expectations not being too high at the moment, they will probably be happy with consolidation in this league, where as if he had come here the expectation would be to be close to the playoffs, the playoffs or automatic promotion and the consequent pressures that he would have had to endured, plus for him the added bonus of the Exeter Fans now thinking he is special because he forsaked his "spiritual home" for them. We all know what happens when you leave for your spiritual home don't we !!!
Wes Tender Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 mcjwills said: Could it just be a case of him wanting to carry on learning his trade in an environment that is not so much of a pressure cooker, there is plenty of time for that later in his career, when he has learnt his trade. Paul Ince was learning his trade in the lower leagues when he was plucked only for it to turn out a disaster due to the new clubs fans expectations. PT can carry on with Exeters fans expectations not being too high at the moment, they will probably be happy with consolidation in this league, where as if he had come here the expectation would be to be close to the playoffs, the playoffs or automatic promotion and the consequent pressures that he would have had to endured, plus for him the added bonus of the Exeter Fans now thinking he is special because he forsaked his "spiritual home" for them. We all know what happens when you leave for your spiritual home don't we !!! Learning his trade in a more comfortable environment where expectations are lower, therefore afraid of failure....now what phrase might accommodate that? Lack of ambition?
Scudamore Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Wes Tender said: Learning his trade in a more comfortable environment where expectations are lower, therefore afraid of failure....now what phrase might accommodate that? Lack of ambition? We'll see how Nigel Clough gets on then shall we?
Bailey Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 I'm a big fan of Tisdale but I'd rather have Pardew in all honesty. IF he did turn us down, and it's a big if, then fair play to him. You don't see loyalty in football very often these days and I wish him all the best with Exeter, so long as it's not at the expense of Saints.
Crab Lungs Posted 24 July, 2009 Posted 24 July, 2009 Surely some of the psycho's on here who would have stalked him for the past couple of months would have seen him talking to a Saints representative, somewhere? My reckoning is we probably approached but were rebuffed. Doesn't the statement come from Exeter, and not from Tisdale anyway?
captainchris Posted 25 July, 2009 Posted 25 July, 2009 glkdcdes said: I doubt he actually turned us down, as in was offered job and turned us down. He may well have been contacted for an interview or sounded out through his agent. We would not have offered a job to someone following an interview unless we new it would be accepted. imo This is a great post well put..................
captainchris Posted 25 July, 2009 Posted 25 July, 2009 mcjwills said: Could it just be a case of him wanting to carry on learning his trade in an environment that is not so much of a pressure cooker, there is plenty of time for that later in his career, when he has learnt his trade. Paul Ince was learning his trade in the lower leagues when he was plucked only for it to turn out a disaster due to the new clubs fans expectations. PT can carry on with Exeters fans expectations not being too high at the moment, they will probably be happy with consolidation in this league, where as if he had come here the expectation would be to be close to the playoffs, the playoffs or automatic promotion and the consequent pressures that he would have had to endured, plus for him the added bonus of the Exeter Fans now thinking he is special because he forsaked his "spiritual home" for them. We all know what happens when you leave for your spiritual home don't we !!! God that's funny!!! Harry has had his moment of motivating Glory, expect Spurs to struggle this year!............It's over Harry, admit it Spurs is not your spiritual home Sandbanks is!! Get ready to walk your dog full time, now that's spiritual!
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 25 July, 2009 Posted 25 July, 2009 NickG said: http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/football/Tis-offered-Saints-job/article-1189178-detail/article.html Thank god for that, Tisdale is a nobody, I dont understand the hype.
saintedwill Posted 25 July, 2009 Posted 25 July, 2009 Wes Tender said: Yes, I'd say he lacked ambition if he was offered the job after Markus Leibherr took over. If it was the Pinnacle people, then perhaps not. Anyway, it's not clear whether he was actually offered it, or by whom. So you believe that there is some parallel between a player in the Premiership not wishing to move elsewhere because he was comfortable here and a manager in charge of a lower division team not wishing to avail himself of the opportunity to take over a club with a great stadium, good training facilities, available cash to build a new team in his image, etc? OK. Perhaps Tisdale's wife couldn't countenance moving too far from Exeter, like MLT's didn't want to move any further from Guernsey. I think his wife would have been more than happy if he'd come to Saints because they live just outside of Bath in Wiltshire and she'd see more of him. Is there a parallel with his lack of ambition and MLT's? He could have moved from a small club to one with great tradition, ambition, facilities and potential. MLT could have gone from a small club to Man U with all of the above. We're lucky that they both have some sense. Paul Tisdale is a very good manager, but the job at Saints needs to be done with someone of AP's experience.
TijuanaTim Posted 25 July, 2009 Posted 25 July, 2009 NickG said: http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/football/Tis-offered-Saints-job/article-1189178-detail/article.html Nice loyalty etc,,,but fu¢k him, all we care about is our Saints..+ he'll regret it.
Master Bates Posted 26 July, 2009 Posted 26 July, 2009 We turned down Iain Dowie. Quote But Dowie has become so frustrated at the lack of activity at Newcastle that he applied unsuccessfully for the manager's job at his former club Southampton. http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/tm_method=full%26objectID=21548513%26siteID=93463-name_page.html
Saint in Paradise Posted 26 July, 2009 Posted 26 July, 2009 TijuanaTim said: Nice loyalty etc,,,but fu¢k him, all we care about is our Saints..+ he'll regret it. Maybe he realised his own limitations at the moment, perhaps in 3 or 4 years he will have gained substantial experience.
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