oxfordshire_saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Looking at how many players managed to score a large amount of goals last season, is League One easy to score in? So what is it? Rubbish keepers? Bad defenders? A lot of strikers who managed to find form at the same time? Looking at the stats: Rickie Lambert - 29 Simon Cox - 29 Jermaine Beckford - 27 Matty Fryatt - 27 Gary Hooper - 24 Craig Mackail-Smith - 23 By contrast only three players scored over 20 in the CCC and two of them only just about did that with 21 (McCormack and Scotland) Whilst I'm sure all of the strikers who bagged large amounts in League One aren't bad players, the ones that are making the step up to the CCC this season, Cox, Fryatt, Hooper and Mackail-Smith, I would bet that none of them break to the 20-goal barrier. So just how useful could a real CCC quality striker be to us this season? Or more importantly, how valuable could Kelvin be at the other end?
Thedelldays Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 because many of the teams in league 1 are so awful it is untrue
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 My concern is with our defenders. A mate who supports Luton Town said that Chris Perry had a nightmare in League One when he was with them. When I said that I was worried about him coming to Saints if he couldn't hack it in L1, his response was - He's better suited to the style and pace of Championship football. L1 is just far too physical for him. Not entirely sure what he meant by this, I guess time will tell.
Barry the Badger Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 My concern is with our defenders. A mate who supports Luton Town said that Chris Perry had a nightmare in League One when he was with them. When I said that I was worried about him coming to Saints if he couldn't hack it in L1, his response was - He's better suited to the style and pace of Championship football. L1 is just far too physical for him. Not entirely sure what he meant by this, I guess time will tell. It's a total myth that the leagues get gradually more 'physical' and less about 'real football' the further you go down. I wouldn't say the Championship is any more physical than the prem, just the football isn't quite so good.
Genk Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Perhaps all those strikers you named are the only people that can finish for their respective teams haha...rest of the team are awful? I don't know to be honest, I think the defending is rather poor in League 1, very very physical
bjk Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 We will walk this league. It will be easy. Not with our current squad we won't.Without a few decent signings we're going to struggle.
Trader Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 We will walk this league. It will be easy. I've heard that somewhere before.
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 look at how many 'good' L1 players we have in our team - kelvin, harding, thomas, murty(?), schneiderlan, wotton, john. i dont think there are more than 3 teams with a better select 7/11 than that. we can expect at least a couple more according to Pardew which brings it up to 9/11. then the squad lets us down a bit when jump straight to youth players. my main concern atm is without significant enough depth in any position, we will lack competition for places and times will be hard when we get just a few injuries. i would guess there are probably 10/11 teams with better 'squads' than us in league 1 - leaving us somewhere in the middle of P4 and P12. Add the Pardew factor and u would have to say we should be competing for P8 without the -10 should we only get a couple more players. however, it wouldn't surprise me if we end up with 6 or 7 newbies which could propell us to around P7/8 even with the -10. just IMO.
Dannyboy_Saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 The keepers seem to be alot worse in this division. Lots of long range shots seem to find the back of the net in this league due to keepers misreading the shots and poor positioning. Thats why im so happy we managed to keep Davis, he'll be worth plenty of points by the end of the season.
SaintRobbie Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 (edited) because many of the teams in league 1 are so awful it is untrue ...and at the moment we're one of the worst. AP has some players to buy... and fast. I guess it will take him a couple of weeks for him to make the same assessment as the rest of us once he's seem more of them. Edited 23 July, 2009 by SaintRobbie
John B Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 The keepers seem to be alot worse in this division. Lots of long range shots seem to find the back of the net in this league due to keepers misreading the shots and poor positioning. Thats why im so happy we managed to keep Davis, he'll be worth plenty of points by the end of the season. I am not sure that lots more goals are scored in League 1 from looking at last years tables but some teams at the bottom were really bad and let in more goals than we did in CCC
Ash Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 One man's easy to score is another man's difficult to defend.
Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 ...and at the moment we're one of the worst. AP has some players to buy... and fast. I guess it will take him a couple of weeks for him to make the same assessment as the rest of us once he's seem more of them. and you know that how exaclty.. just by the players we have alone means that this is not the case..
dubai_phil Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Sounds like it is as easy to score in L1 as it is in Rock Bottom. Perhaps we just need to feed our forward line a Bullfrog before the games... Or of course it could be that L1 players are not quite as technically adept as players in the higher leagues and make more errors of positioning and control that up and coming strikers or older experienced heads) with a higher degree of technical skills can exploit more easily
Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 no need to look into it too much...many of the teams in league 1 are utter turd.
DANISH Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 I watched Millwall Vs. Oldham last season at The New Den. It is incredible how many f*ck ups and passes played straight to an opponent there was. We will get loads of chances from f*ck ups, it will only be matter of us being able to make the most of them. Hopefully John will get off to a good start scoring a few at the beginning of the season, and keep going from there. However players like Lee Hughes etc. will be a real handfull for our defenders though, he doesn't allow them any time on the ball even though he is old and fat...
suewhistle Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 . AP has some players to buy... and fast. I guess it will take him a couple of weeks for him to make the same assessment as the rest of us once he's seem more of them. A couple of weeks? I doubt it somehow. There may be some marginal decisions but I think quite a few are bloomin obvious, particularly to a professional like AP.
Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 I watched Millwall Vs. Oldham last season at The New Den. It is incredible how many f*ck ups and passes played straight to an opponent there was. We will get loads of chances from f*ck ups, it will only be matter of us being able to make the most of them. Hopefully John will get off to a good start scoring a few at the beginning of the season, and keep going from there. However players like Lee Hughes etc. will be a real handfull for our defenders though, he doesn't allow them any time on the ball even though he is old and fat... this istrue..went to a handful of games and huish park (yeovil) last season and remember when plymouth were in this league and bar a handful of teams...the standard is shocking..really bad.. if we dont make any new signings i would be amazed with what we have could not sit comfortably in mid table by xmas-
eelpie Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Looking at how many players managed to score a large amount of goals last season, is League One easy to score in? So what is it? Rubbish keepers? Bad defenders? A lot of strikers who managed to find form at the same time? Looking at the stats: Rickie Lambert - 29 Simon Cox - 29 Jermaine Beckford - 27 Matty Fryatt - 27 Gary Hooper - 24 Craig Mackail-Smith - 23 By contrast only three players scored over 20 in the CCC and two of them only just about did that with 21 (McCormack and Scotland) Whilst I'm sure all of the strikers who bagged large amounts in League One aren't bad players, the ones that are making the step up to the CCC this season, Cox, Fryatt, Hooper and Mackail-Smith, I would bet that none of them break to the 20-goal barrier. So just how useful could a real CCC quality striker be to us this season? Or more importantly, how valuable could Kelvin be at the other end? Five goals conceded at Salisbury? Heaven help us.
eelpie Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 The ladies are easy to score in Leeds! We've got a bunch of ladies in our team and they can't score. Obviously using the wrong powder.
The9 Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Compared to the CCC? :confused: Not, as you know, but no-one's actually posted the top scorers in the CCC as a comparison though have they ? FWIW my take on lower leagues being "more physical" is actually down to the lower skill level in passing leading to more stray passes and thus more loose balls to compete for, so instead of the game being strategic as skilled players with the ball at their feet act out tactical presets and set pieces as designed, it's more competitive as people use physicality to compete for loose balls. But what THAT means is that a team of skilled players at this level will get more possession of the ball from opposition errors than they would get at higher levels, and also more time to do something with it as fitness and reaction times in closing down are marginally worse too. "You need thugs to win 50-50s" is oversimplifying a bit if you don't give the ball away as much as the opposition.
The9 Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Five goals conceded at Salisbury? Heaven help us. Heaven, or not playing a back five of Poke, James, Perry, Lancashire and Mills - precisely one of which (Perry) I'd expect to be in a starting XI now James has started getting games in his preferred position of centre midfield, Murty and Harding are around and Thomas is fit. Goes without saying that we have 3 players ahead of Poke, too.
Doctoroncall Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Last season's total goals for League One was about 150 more goals than the previous couple of seasons of around 1350 in League One. Based on the past three seasons, the averages are League One is 1412 and the CCC is 1394.
The9 Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Last season's total goals for League One was about 150 more goals than the previous couple of seasons of around 1350 in League One. Based on the past three seasons, the averages are League One is 1412 and the CCC is 1394. So factoring in a bit of statistical sampling error, the whole argument is completely irrelevant, because there's basically no difference in the scoring rates in the two divisions. Thanks for clarifying, can't beat facts (as opposed to FACTs). Of course this is unless last season saw a significant shift in scoring patterns, or unless there's a more concentrated range of top scorers amongst the very top teams, or something like that. But who's going to look into THAT kind of factual detail when we can have a big ol' row about having a rubbish reserve defence against Salisbury in a friendly ? :cool:
stinhk Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Looking at how many players managed to score a large amount of goals last season, is League One easy to score in? So what is it? Rubbish keepers? Bad defenders? A lot of strikers who managed to find form at the same time? Looking at the stats: Rickie Lambert - 29 Simon Cox - 29 Jermaine Beckford - 27 Matty Fryatt - 27 Gary Hooper - 24 Craig Mackail-Smith - 23 By contrast only three players scored over 20 in the CCC and two of them only just about did that with 21 (McCormack and Scotland) Whilst I'm sure all of the strikers who bagged large amounts in League One aren't bad players, the ones that are making the step up to the CCC this season, Cox, Fryatt, Hooper and Mackail-Smith, I would bet that none of them break to the 20-goal barrier. So just how useful could a real CCC quality striker be to us this season? Or more importantly, how valuable could Kelvin be at the other end? It would be interesting to analyse the goals scored in this division. I mean how many each from corners, free-kicks, long-range, tap-ins etc. We could figure out how best to do it and equally important how best to defend. I know it's a bit Graham Taylor but, any sports scientists out there?
Golden Balls Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Teams will put 10 or even 11 men behind the ball when playing us. We wont be a team scoring lots of goals.
Doctoroncall Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 It would be interesting to analyse the goals scored in this division. I mean how many each from corners, free-kicks, long-range, tap-ins etc. We could figure out how best to do it and equally important how best to defend. I know it's a bit Graham Taylor but, any sports scientists out there? Limited but gives a few stats and has links to actim... http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/StatsIndex/0,,10794,00.html
Scudamore Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Looking at how many players managed to score a large amount of goals last season, is League One easy to score in? So what is it? Rubbish keepers? Bad defenders? A lot of strikers who managed to find form at the same time? Looking at the stats: Rickie Lambert - 29 Simon Cox - 29 Jermaine Beckford - 27 Matty Fryatt - 27 Gary Hooper - 24 Craig Mackail-Smith - 23 By contrast only three players scored over 20 in the CCC and two of them only just about did that with 21 (McCormack and Scotland) Whilst I'm sure all of the strikers who bagged large amounts in League One aren't bad players, the ones that are making the step up to the CCC this season, Cox, Fryatt, Hooper and Mackail-Smith, I would bet that none of them break to the 20-goal barrier. So just how useful could a real CCC quality striker be to us this season? Or more importantly, how valuable could Kelvin be at the other end? Stats in isolation. Love em... Leading Scorers 2007/2008 Jason Scotland - 23 Jermaine Beckford -20 Nicky Forster - 15 Nicky Manynard - 15 Adam Boyd - 14 Leading Scorers 2006/2007 Billy Sharp - 30 Leon Constantine - 22 Chris Porter - 22 Lee Trundle - 19 Luke Varney - 17 Chris Greenacre -17 So in the previous two season only five players scored over twenty goals in the season. So what does all this mean? Well not very much oviously as every new season is different to the last. Sometimes a player just fires em in left, right and centre. Sometimes not so much. Michael Ricketts scored 24 goals in a season once. In answer to the other question a quality striker is important to the team every season.
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