Asaint4ever Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Good news, Saga has been crap for me on FIFA today and rasiak, well.....i won't go there. Probably means we'll be getting other strikers in. lol john awsom on fifa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 The only problem for me is that John scores the spectacular yet misses the simple. Rasiak is the other way round.... But I agree they can't / won't play together. Need a quick poacher in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 If Stern is still playing for T&T he will miss a number of our matches as there are no international breaks in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I guess I am the only one that isn't all that excited by the John contract offer. He is so lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I thought players like Sodje,Fortune,Volz,Hoefkens,Connelly,Mckenzie etc were all still available.Get 2 of them in,a couple of loans and then buy 3 promising players like Whitbread,Lambert,Dickson,Gradel and Racon. Sign up Murty unless he has someone better lined up and we then should have a decent side. From AP's comments on the Salisbury game we will definately be getting in a big commanding central defender who can cope with height.Darren Purse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 If Stern is still playing for T&T he will miss a number of our matches as there are no international breaks in L1. Depends how many players are absent due to internationals, any more than 2 i think it is & league game is postponed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I guess I am the only one that isn't all that excited by the John contract offer. He is so lazy. I'm certainly not excited by the prospect of John without Saga. Maybe he will do better in L1, but 7 goals in the last two years... Also, why is everyone so sure Rasiak is the other player? Has Pardew actually named the players or are we just assuming because he is lazy? Could just as easily be Lallana or Schneiderlin really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I'm certainly not excited by the prospect of John without Saga. Maybe he will do better in L1, but 7 goals in the last two years... Also, why is everyone so sure Rasiak is the other player? Has Pardew actually named the players or are we just assuming because he is lazy? Could just as easily be Lallana or Schneiderlin really. He said he had a couple like that but didn't name them. You affected by the winter changes or is it just STN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 He said he had a couple like that but didn't name them. You affected by the winter changes or is it just STN? STN are the only guys who've been threatened with job cuts thus far. I guess a lot depends on the markets and BALPA. We've just cut the Krackow and Bournemouth routes, so bang go my chances of seeing any Saints home games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Why spend money if you can get the same result for free? I know of a site that used to be free, its a fiver nowadays....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I guess I am the only one that isn't all that excited by the John contract offer. He is so lazy. Not the only one no I can remember the sitters he's missed as well as the goals he has scored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 If Rasiak and Saga go it'll be because of their attitudes. I have absolutely no problem with them going because of this. Alan Pardew is really getting to grips with the job fast it would seem. He is showing the squad who's boss and this is long overdue. Lawrie MacMenemy was like this and it's just what we need. Now that money isn't a problem for us Alan Pardew doesn't have to pander to the ego's of jumped up players. We can afford to replace them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Great news once again. Starting to get a bit of a habit this positive news thing! Just need to get some top replacements in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 STN are the only guys who've been threatened with job cuts thus far. I guess a lot depends on the markets and BALPA. We've just cut the Krackow and Bournemouth routes, so bang go my chances of seeing any Saints home games. Do you have a seniority list or is it according to base. Are you saying no PIK/BOH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I'm certainly not excited by the prospect of John without Saga. Maybe he will do better in L1, but 7 goals in the last two years... Also, why is everyone so sure Rasiak is the other player? Has Pardew actually named the players or are we just assuming because he is lazy? Could just as easily be Lallana or Schneiderlin really. Schneiderlin worked hard when he came on Sat, Pardew makes comment about how much the team improved last night when Paterson replaced Saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Great news. But how do you know this? Surely this means we will need another striker though? Leroy Lita...................................................:-# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Schneiderlin worked hard when he came on Sat, Pardew makes comment about how much the team improved last night when Paterson replaced Saga. I take it as given that Saga is one of the players that was aimed at. It's Rasiak I'm not sure about. I agree he is a likely candidate, but there were rumours about AL and MS wanting out, being linked with Fulham, Spuds etc. Do you have a seniority list or is it according to base. Are you saying no PIK/BOH? I think it's last in first out in each specific base. For example if they needed rid of pilots in STN it would be the newest in STN, rather than for the whole airline. I don't know for certain. And yes PIK/BOH has gone. Still flights from EDI and DUB though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I take it as given that Saga is one of the players that was aimed at. It's Rasiak I'm not sure about. I agree he is a likely candidate, but there were rumours about AL and MS wanting out, being linked with Fulham, Spuds etc. Im pretty sure Rasiak is one being mentioned, reason being that MW specifically mentioned that Rasiak & Saga did not want to play for the club in League One and they were looking to move on asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Great to hear about John being offered a contract, he could be absolutely vital this season in keeping our promotion bid going. Shame about Saga and Rasiak going, but neither of their hearts were in it anymore, so might as well get rid. On another note, anyone got any news about Ode Thompson, that Nigerian/Belgian triallist who we took in? Didn't hear a thing about what the outcome of that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 I guess I am the only one that isn't all that excited by the John contract offer. He is so lazy. Looks like you have been recognised....http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1730507,00.html I love this comment "I think he could be an important player for us and he's a player that the fans understand. He's not necessarily hyper energetic but he does what he does well, he gets goals, his records show that and I want to secure him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 I'm certainly not excited by the prospect of John without Saga. Maybe he will do better in L1, but 7 goals in the last two years... Also, why is everyone so sure Rasiak is the other player? Has Pardew actually named the players or are we just assuming because he is lazy? Could just as easily be Lallana or Schneiderlin really. Rasiak certainly hasn't played in the friendlies as though he wants a move. I still think he is a better player than Stern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Looks like you have been recognised....http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1730507,00.html I love this comment "I think he could be an important player for us and he's a player that the fans understand. He's not necessarily hyper energetic but he does what he does well, he gets goals, his records show that and I want to secure him." that is wonderful PR spin for being ****ing lazy. It looks like we are signing him so I am going to have to get used to it. I am dissapointed because I wanted two strikers that offered pace and power and workrate. Stern John is just a goal hanger. He will get goals but only if we put them on a plate for him and even then he still misses chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 that is wonderful PR spin for being ****ing lazy. It looks like we are signing him so I am going to have to get used to it. I am dissapointed because I wanted two strikers that offered pace and power and workrate. Stern John is just a goal hanger. He will get goals but only if we put them on a plate for him and even then he still misses chances. and rasiak is slated for this too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Fantastic news, really believe that John will be a big star this year, completely agree though the squad still needs a massive overhaul. defo need a pacey tricky striker and a decent right winger to swing the ball in/generally make a nuissance of himself. Hmm, Danny Webber anyone ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 that is wonderful PR spin for being ****ing lazy. It looks like we are signing him so I am going to have to get used to it. I am dissapointed because I wanted two strikers that offered pace and power and workrate. Stern John is just a goal hanger. He will get goals but only if we put them on a plate for him and even then he still misses chances. I think he will replace either Rasiak and Saga who I think will leave. I am still hoping for another forward with pace and power plus 2 quick and skillful wingers who can deliver a cross for Stern. Our crossing is pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Rasiak certainly hasn't played in the friendlies as though he wants a move. I still think he is a better player than Stern. No idea how you have come to that conclusion. Stern is much more powerful than Rasiak. Both are your typical in the box strikers but John offers much more than Rasiak outside of it. His ability to hold the ball up with his strength and touch is so much more than Rasiak who's first touch is hideous and ability to hold up the ball is non existant. They'll both score goals in this league however John will create more of his own. Therefore have more chances to score than Rasiak who needs it pratically on a plate. I wouldn't mind keeping Rasiak but you'd need a Kenwyne Jones esq player alongside of him who is going to run all day and carve chances out for him. John could play upfront on his own if needed but obviously you'd prefer to play him with a pacey tricky striker. I'd much prefer John than Rasiak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 So who is going to buy Raz and Saga? People have hardly been queing up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Depends how many players are absent due to internationals, any more than 2 i think it is & league game is postponed. You'd have to assume Lloyd James would get a Wales call up as he's been in the U-21s for a while and their pool of players is so limited (he was 21 in Feb), plus McLaggon might get a Wales U-21 call up too as he's in U-19 squad (still qualifies for U-19s though as birthday is in September). plus Saga for Poland if he's still around Stern John at T&T Lallana could be in England U-21s again Schneiderlin with French U-19s too. We'll be ok in getting postponements on International weekends with two of those getting call ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 So who is going to buy Raz and Saga? People have hardly been queing up... I can see one or both going back to Poland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Im pretty sure Rasiak is one being mentioned, reason being that MW specifically mentioned that Rasiak & Saga did not want to play for the club in League One and they were looking to move on asap. Wasn't that before teh takeover though. When it looked like we may at worst get liquidated and the consortium most likely to take over was a guy who still lived with his parents and turned over £70k a year. Kelvin Davis has changed his mind, I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that other players have too. Rasiak certainly hasn't played in the friendlies as though he wants a move. I still think he is a better player than Stern. I'd agree with that. I don't get Hopkins saying John will score on his own either when he has shown for some bizarre reason that he needs to play along side Saga to score. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to keep John, but I'd be much happier with Rasiak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Much more likely to score goals on his own than Rasiak is. I honestly do not see how anyone can argue against John being the better play. His touch and hold up play for a start is miles better than Rasiak. There finishing prowess is the same but Sterns all round play is better. There both lazy ****s but I have no problem with either of them doing that if they have someone with them. I have a problem with Rasiak's inability to do anything but toe poke a sitter home. Something John could do while bringing others into the game. John has scored some schorers from distance, his hat trick comes to mind whereas Rasiak needs it on a plate. I simply do not see the arguement against John if one has to go. I'd happily keep both with a quick pacey striker but if one is going, which it seems is happening i'd rather Rasiak went because he offers nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Wasn't that before teh takeover though. When it looked like we may at worst get liquidated and the consortium most likely to take over was a guy who still lived with his parents and turned over £70k a year. Kelvin Davis has changed his mind, I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that other players have too. Yeah it was before the takeover, however KD is a one off - saints through & through and Rasiak seems to have a different mentality. His pre-season performances prove as much. If they get an offer they will be shot of him asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 (edited) Stern is much more powerful than Rasiak. Both are your typical in the box strikers but John offers much more than Rasiak outside of it. His ability to hold the ball up with his strength and touch is so much more than Rasiak who's first touch is hideous and ability to hold up the ball is non existant. poppy****. Rasiak has a decent first touch, as good as John and where on earth do you get this idea that Stern John is powerful? He isn't powerful at all. Powerful would be a word to descirbe Kenwyne Jones or Adebola. They'll both score goals in this league however John will create more of his own. They will both score goal but will John create more of his own? From my recollection Rasiak is a lethal finisher whilst John misses a fair few chances. John stands around waiting for his chances and rasiak does a fair bit of that himself but when it comes to movement Stern John is like a statue. I wouldn't mind keeping Rasiak but you'd need a Kenwyne Jones esq player alongside of him who is going to run all day and carve chances out for him. that sentance could be applied to John. He does absolutely **** all running and its not because he is slow (which Rasiak is) its because he is ****ing lazy. John is actually quite quick, I saw it with my own eyes when he ****ed up one time he let his guard down and sprinted after the ball. He is quick but he chooses not to use any energy, Lazy and therefore very frustrating. Rasiak on the other hand is just slow so chasing after long balls is pointless. I'm not the greatest fan of either to be honest, I like to see pace and movement and effort up front. In my opinion there is no reason whatsoever why a striker can not run all day and still score goals. I'm not talking about headless chicken stuff I am talking about making runs, dragging center backs out of position, drivign into the box and also running across the line as the first line of defence. Edited 23 July, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Ummm, unless I haven't seen it, Stern hasn't signed the new contract. He says that he wants to stay but that means squat until he signs, except that he doesn't want to burn his bridges. Everyone seems to think that the deal is signed, sealed and delivered. Is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Much more likely to score goals on his own than Rasiak is. I honestly do not see how anyone can argue against John being the better play. His touch and hold up play for a start is miles better than Rasiak. There finishing prowess is the same but Sterns all round play is better. There both lazy ****s but I have no problem with either of them doing that if they have someone with them. I have a problem with Rasiak's inability to do anything but toe poke a sitter home. Something John could do while bringing others into the game. John has scored some schorers from distance, his hat trick comes to mind whereas Rasiak needs it on a plate. I simply do not see the arguement against John if one has to go. I'd happily keep both with a quick pacey striker but if one is going, which it seems is happening i'd rather Rasiak went because he offers nothing else. that excellent hatrick seems to be much more to the forefront of your mind than the countless misses in the saem season. Arsenal fans' comments about Adebayor spring to mind. Not the laziness, more to do with the fact that he may have scored a fair few but he should have scored a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Rasiak seems to have a different mentality. His pre-season performances prove as much. No idea what you mean by this. He has played well in every game and looked like he was trying to impress in each, be that for scouts or the current manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 It's not very often I agree with Chez, so I'm going to make the most of it. Rasiak is slow in a sprint, but over 2 yards he is lightning quick. That's the difference in their styles IMO. Rasiak will stand in the box surrounded by defenders, then at exactly the right time he will make a darting run into space and put the ball in the net. John on the other hand will wait for the ball to come to his feet, then hold defenders off just long enough to turn and stick it in the net. There is nothing wrong with either style of play really, but they do both need a partner who is willing to put the effort in and make a chance. Neither will score many on their own. Yeah it was before the takeover, however KD is a one off - saints through & through and Rasiak seems to have a different mentality. His pre-season performances prove as much. If they get an offer they will be shot of him asap. Let's not forget here, it wasn't Rasiak who asked to go to Bolton and Watford. He went to Bolton to "clear the logjam of strikers" and to Watford because, "he didn't fit our exciting new total football philosophy". I wouldn't nescessarily interpret being slow as not wanting to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 I'd agree with that. I don't get Hopkins saying John will score on his own either when he has shown for some bizarre reason that he needs to play along side Saga to score. I wonder what sort of system T&T play, because he's scored tons of goals for them. They definitely don't have Saga playing for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 I wonder what sort of system T&T play, because he's scored tons of goals for them. They definitely don't have Saga playing for them. Recently? According to this he has 4 in the last 3 years, and they were against Bermuda and St Vincent/Grenadines: http://www.sternjohn.com/IternRec.htm Anyway, he is playing alongside Kenny most of the time, who brings a lot more to the game than Saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 No idea what you mean by this. He has played well in every game and looked like he was trying to impress in each, be that for scouts or the current manager. This only shows that we keep watching different games. I wouldn't hire you as a scout and you probably wouldn't hire me, because what I've seen is a player who can thrive only on service and we have been unable to provide any. In my eyes that has made him look awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 At a 'gut feeling' level I'd go with Stern John every time over Rasiak or Saganowski - I feel he's just the better choice and judging by a recent poll on here that seems to be the feeling of the majority . Add to that the fact that Stern actually wants to play for this club and I'd say the argument is more or less closed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Pardew has offered John a contract and expects him to stay. Anyone know what the 'hold up' is? edit: before I get jumped on....I mean 'hold up' in that it would seem to have taken John more than 24 hours to either make his mind up or agree terms. Jump away.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Anyone know what the 'hold up' is? edit: before I get jumped on....I mean 'hold up' in that it would seem to have taken John more than 24 hours to either make his mind up or agree terms. Jump away.... It's called negotiations. John's agent wants a bit more...the club won't offer that much...and so on it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 All 3 are good strikers, just because they haven't gelled before doesn't mean they won't in L1. I'd personally keep John and Greg. Saga's made it clear if wants out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 it appears that Palarse have given up any hope of signing SJ http://www.thelondonpaper.com/thelondonpaper/sport/football/stern-john-will-not-be-joining-crystal-palace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 News Now have a number of links saying Sheffield Wednesday are after Saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Currant Bun says Swansea want Saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Would be delighted to see Stern sign a new contract and stay at Saints, but I wouldn't be too complacent just yet. Until he's signed on the dotted line, I won't be celebrating. I'm not surprised to hear that Saga and Rasiak still want out either, and if we can get a decent deal for them then even better. On a side note, I've been very impressed with Pardew so far. He's been saying all the right things and it's clear he's working round the clock to get us ready in time for Millwall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Would be delighted to see Stern sign a new contract and stay at Saints, but I wouldn't be too complacent just yet. Until he's signed on the dotted line, I won't be celebrating. I'm not surprised to hear that Saga and Rasiak still want out either, and if we can get a decent deal for them then even better. On a side note, I've been very impressed with Pardew so far. He's been saying all the right things and it's clear he's working round the clock to get us ready in time for Millwall. totally agree Bailey, I think AP is trying shock tactics as regard the squad so that it either: a. gets the current incumbents to pull their fingers out and start playing to the best of their abilities; or b. gets ML to splash a bit of cash if the freebies/Bosmans aren't forthcoming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 This only shows that we keep watching different games. I wouldn't hire you as a scout and you probably wouldn't hire me, because what I've seen is a player who can thrive only on service and we have been unable to provide any. In my eyes that has made him look awful. you are right I wouldn't hire you as a scout. If a striker gets no service and he is the sort of striker that relies on it like Stern, Saga and Rasiak then all you can do is judge them on what they do when they get the ball. When the ball has got to Rasiak he has looked sharp and worked hard to keep possesion. What more do you want in that situation? I've never said he has pulled any trees up, all I have said is that he looks like he wants to play as apposed to wants to be somewhere else (which might be the case but certainly does not show up in the friendlies). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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