Where are all the pubs going?

[Thedelldays]

If people are really that dependent that they can't go to the pub cos they can't be bothered to walk outside then they should really have a word with themselves

I agree...but we are talking about where have all the pubs gone and the smoking ban IS a factor in general..

 

personally, i am not that bothered and the less pubs the better in todays drink fuelled society

[thesaint sfc]

As a non-smoker, it never bothered me.

 

Never bothered me, but I do think it is much nicer going to the pub now without people smoking. I notice them not smoking.

[thesaint sfc]

I agree...but we are talking about where have all the pubs gone and the smoking ban IS a factor in general..

 

personally, i am not that bothered and the less pubs the better in todays drink fuelled society

 

Agreed. The times are'a changing. After watching that program about crime last night it was unbelievable how about 90% of fights etc had started in clubs, pubs and bars. If things go on as they are, only the proper pubs who deal with things seriously and take the law seriously will be left. Unfortunately the small pubs who have never done anything wrong, or can't afford to enforce every bit of the law without going bust will also go.

[Thedelldays]

Agreed. The times are'a changing. After watching that program about crime last night it was unbelievable how about 90% of fights etc had started in clubs, pubs and bars. If things go on as they are, only the proper pubs who deal with things seriously and take the law seriously will be left. Unfortunately the small pubs who have never done anything wrong, or can't afford to enforce every bit of the law without going bust will also go.

make prison very very tough..

infact. turn them into copies of militry prisons

[GenevaSaint]

Only partially.

£3.00 a pint [because the tax is horrific, thanks Tony and Gordon ], in a pub that is a smoke free zone.

 

TBF, the tax on a pint of beer is less than 50p. Saw a graph somewhere today showing the rise in tax. My local charges £3.45 for a pint of Kronenbourg, where does the other £2.95 go then.

 

The pint of Kronenbourg has gone up 30p in less than a year, that's NOT tax causing that.

[Smirking_Saint]

make prison very very tough..

infact. turn them into copies of militry prisons

 

Now this i do agree, if you do something serious enough (like be a f'n yob) then you face the consequences.

 

This goes back to the police thread a little while back in which i know of people getting their heads kicked in and the offenders getting nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

[GenevaSaint]

http://www.camra.org.uk/media/attachments/272900/Beer_Tax_Campaign.pdf

 

Gives some great detail and graphs.

 

Beer sales in pubs have been in decline since 1976 with shops sales rising. This is not a recent trend.

 

Only 6% of people put the smoking ban down as a reason why they don't drink in pubs.

[Rut]

Here in Indiana it is done well.

 

You can smoke in bars and you have to be 21. No screaming kids (I find that way more annoying than some bloke having a smoke next to you).

 

However... For those 'you smoke I choke' types there are plenty of bars that don't allow smoking. Most of these also allow families though (ie screaming kids). But you can have a beer in a smoke-free environment.

 

I personally don't smoke anymore but I way prefer to be in a 21+ smoking allowed bar. It just feels way more like a pub should be.

[OldNick]

Here in Indiana it is done well.

 

You can smoke in bars and you have to be 21. No screaming kids (I find that way more annoying than some bloke having a smoke next to you).

 

However... For those 'you smoke I choke' types there are plenty of bars that don't allow smoking. Most of these also allow families though (ie screaming kids). But you can have a beer in a smoke-free environment.

 

I personally don't smoke anymore but I way prefer to be in a 21+ smoking allowed bar. It just feels way more like a pub should be.

what about the spittons, are they allowed in both types of bar?

or are they only put out in posh locations the rest use the floor

[Ponty]

Blimey, I opened a can of worms with one harmless little post

 

FWIW, I don't mind the ban (and I smoke). Most decent places have heated and covered outdoor areas which are fine to smoke and drink in. It annoys me a tad when the outside area is full of non-smokers and the pub is empty inside but hey, that's life.

 

On the other hand, I do believe that non-food serving establishments should have had the choice whether or not to implement full or even partial bans. Smoking around food is pretty disgusting but it worked ok in traditional pubs for hundreds of years. Besides, the smell of toilets, farts, BO and Dettol is far worse than the old smell of cigars and cigarettes.

 

My 2p.

[Weston Super Saint]

Blimey, I opened a can of worms with one harmless little post

 

FWIW, I don't mind the ban (and I smoke). Most decent places have heated and covered outdoor areas which are fine to smoke and drink in. It annoys me a tad when the outside area is full of non-smokers and the pub is empty inside but hey, that's life.

 

Absolutely true!

 

Which is why the smoking ban is not responsible for closing pubs down. It is lazy, bad publicans looking for someone to blame because they are not very good at running their businesses. There are numerous 'solutions' to cater for smokers and entice them into the pub.

 

And Ponty, you should try being on the other side of the fence, when the non smokers sit outside and then complain there are people smoking all around them as if I should do something about it. I usually politely request they move inside to the non smoking area if they are that upset.

[Weston Super Saint]

TBF, the tax on a pint of beer is less than 50p. Saw a graph somewhere today showing the rise in tax. My local charges £3.45 for a pint of Kronenbourg, where does the other £2.95 go then.

 

The pint of Kronenbourg has gone up 30p in less than a year, that's NOT tax causing that.

 

1. Someone to make the beer - raw materials aren't free

2. Someone to deliver the beer.

3. Someone to serve the beer.

4. Associated costs; heat, light etc etc.

5. Profit - everyone has a right to make a profit right?

 

In the old days it used to be circa 78% Gross profit - selling price less cost price, but not including wages, bills etc etc...

 

These days it's more like 61% Gross profit And these days we have minimum wage to deal with which eats in to the net profit big time

[OldNick]

1. Someone to make the beer - raw materials aren't free

2. Someone to deliver the beer.

3. Someone to serve the beer.

4. Associated costs; heat, light etc etc.

5. Profit - everyone has a right to make a profit right?

 

In the old days it used to be circa 78% Gross profit - selling price less cost price, but not including wages, bills etc etc...

 

These days it's more like 61% Gross profit And these days we have minimum wage to deal with which eats in to the net profit big time

do you serve food at your establishment WSS?

[Weston Super Saint]

do you serve food at your establishment WSS?

 

Yes.

 

Sales mix = circa 65% food, 30% wet, 5% machines.

[Smirking_Saint]

Rubbish!!

 

You could always buy booze cheaper from supermarkets! Even when the smoking ban wasn't in place.

 

Really what is your point ?? Except for the fact it backs up what i have said ??

[OldNick]

Yes.

 

Sales mix = circa 65% food, 30% wet, 5% machines.

My brother was a publican and it is a tough business. Although most are at present.

[Weston Super Saint]

My brother was a publican and it is a tough business. Although most are at present.

 

We only have a wet trade because people want a drink with their meal.

 

Suits me though

[stevegrant]

TBF, the tax on a pint of beer is less than 50p. Saw a graph somewhere today showing the rise in tax. My local charges £3.45 for a pint of Kronenbourg, where does the other £2.95 go then.

 

The pint of Kronenbourg has gone up 30p in less than a year, that's NOT tax causing that.

Isn't alcohol similar to petrol in that when there's a duty rise on it, it's a double tax rise as you then pay more VAT on it as well?