Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 3 September, 2008 Author Posted 3 September, 2008 In all honesty, I really don't see why anybody is even beginning to debate this. I thought fans were supposed to be supportive, not undermining in nature..? Even starting this thread does nothing but cause uncertainty, even at a minor level. Jesus Christ! All I wanted to do was have a sensible discussion (for a change). Think I'll strick to The Muppet Show, people make more sense over there. Awaits "Well that suits your level of intelligence" - Hilarious.
Bon Call Night Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 Well some of the crowd had started at the end of the Blackpool game which I thought was a tad harsh because but for a missed penalty and a few good saves from Rachubka the result could have been different. Fair enough if the players hadn't been trying, but they had. I think people have to realise that the club has employed a long term strategy to rebuild and these kids are still learning and gaining both strength and experience, so the first target this season must be safety and anything else is a bonus. If JP talks about the play offs, then all well and good, I think it's a mite early to be talking about that kind of position. Ultimately I think the club will give JP the time he needs, but I don't think too many fans will unless we start putting our chances away, and the boys are creating them. I think they need to keep the faith, keep their heads up and the results will come. They just need to keep doing what they are doing I agree Rich. However, let him aim for the play-offs, if we miss by a bit then we are fine - if we aim for survival and miss then that's a problem. The difference between this team and that of the last four years is that we are creating chances and hopefully the new strikers will finish them. My feeling re McGoldrick have not changed he is just not quite good enough for the CCC. He needs one touch too many and does not make good choices at critical times. However he is only one to falter in that respect, White is young and deserves more time but did have a magnificent game at Derby and showed potential. John is too slow and fears that we may have seen the best of him last year are starting to prove right, we desparately need a goal getter, with the chances we create then a play-off place would not be out of the question without one we could end up like S****horpe last year - playing great football but ultimately winning few games.
St Landrew Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 Jesus Christ! All I wanted to do was have a sensible discussion (for a change). Think I'll strick to The Muppet Show, people make more sense over there. Awaits "Well that suits your level of intelligence" - Hilarious. Not at all. I just think you're extremely premature with this thread. Try around February-March time, if it is required. Hopefully not.
Weston Super Saint Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 Jesus Christ! All I wanted to do was have a sensible discussion (for a change). Think I'll strick to The Muppet Show, people make more sense over there. Awaits "Well that suits your level of intelligence" - Hilarious. Far too high brow for you over there.
Long Shot Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 In all honesty, I really don't see why anybody is even beginning to debate this. I thought fans were supposed to be supportive, not undermining in nature..? Even starting this thread does nothing but cause uncertainty, even at a minor level. I thought it was a debating forum and also I was not aware we are not allowed to start uncertainity on here? What a strange post St Landrew.
aintforever Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 Are we allowed to debate how long to leave it before we start a debate on how long the manager has left - or would that cause uncertainty too?
Snowballs2 Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 The super positives will always attempt to slap down the realists. What happens to a super positive when they realise that things are not working out how they thought? do they disappear like the ouselem bird
Weston Super Saint Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 Are we allowed to debate how long to leave it before we start a debate on how long the manager has left - or would that cause uncertainty too? Mind blowing :smt048 You should try it and see what happens.
John B Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 Jesus Christ! All I wanted to do was have a sensible discussion (for a change). Think I'll strick to The Muppet Show, people make more sense over there. Awaits "Well that suits your level of intelligence" - Hilarious. Well I think it is a stupid thread. JP is here for sometime
St Landrew Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 I thought it was a debating forum and also I was not aware we are not allowed to start uncertainity on here? What a strange post St Landrew. Of course you can debate this subject. My question is, why on earth would you want to..? The bloke has been here 5 minutes. Give the poor sod a fraction of a chance, at least, before the skids are put underneath him.
70's Mike Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 (edited) What would you say success would be this season? I mean you can't expect a team which finished a point away from relegation to suddenly get promoted because a few youngsters got promoted from the youth team. Anything in the top 10 would be a very successful season imo, anything below 18~ would be a bit of a shame but certainly not a disaster as long as progress is made by the youngsters. Based on what i have seen , then imo staying up would be a success, we are trying something fairly radical and whilst some think the inexperienced players( they are not particularly young) will get better i am struggling to believe that they all will and actually believe some may struggle to maintain the standard they have already shown especially if the results are poor Edited 3 September, 2008 by 70's Mike
L1Minus10 Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 i think he'll be here for the long haul. The question is ... if we are near or in the relegation zone in March... will Rupert have the balls to stick with him or will the trigger finger come into it again ?
wightman35 Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 After the last few years, it is hardly surprising that many saints supporters are so pessimistic. Lets hope the forwards find a goalscoring touch and we beat QPR by two clear goals to cheer us all for one week at least.
John Cool Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 I still think our lads are good enough for a mid-table finish provided JP is allowed to finish what he's started.
Bon Call Night Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 What would you say success would be this season? I mean you can't expect a team which finished a point away from relegation to suddenly get promoted because a few youngsters got promoted from the youth team. Anything in the top 10 would be a very successful season imo, anything below 18~ would be a bit of a shame but certainly not a disaster as long as progress is made by the youngsters. Probably a better question to ask than the how long for JP one. Despite Mike's very negative (he may say realistic ) view, I really do think it depends on whether either of the two new boys can stick the ball in the net on a regular basis and/or Lallana finds his shooting boots. Lets face it he hit the player on the line twice against Blackpool and we should have had a penalty on one of those occassions as well. Success this year would be for top half, however I would hope we at least avoid relegation. Realistically I think we will finish top of the bottom third. Play-offs not out of sight I think this will be a very close league this year we have some big hitters in Brum, Reading, and Derby who all have financial clout, we also have the CCC perrenial challengers of Wolves, Cardiff, Charlton, Watford plus the additional probables in Sheff Utd, Bristol City, and no doubt a couple of others. And like last year if one team can string a few results together there may be a wild card in there like Hull. I think our kids are capable of going on a run - they appear to learn from their errors and will benefit from confidence gained - however at the end of each of these runs may be a huge crash when over confidence kicks in!!
offix Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 What would you say success would be this season? I've mentioned before that for me "success" would be to survive this season in this league. If this management team stays on through the season and manages to keep us in the CCC then I will happily admit that Ru**rt was right and I was wrong. Just plain survival. Not too much to ask?
La BoIS Saint Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 The end will come 2012. From now until the latter part of 2008, many prophecies are going to begin to be fulfilled, especially the Seven Thunders of the Book of Revelation, which the apostle John saw but was restricted from recording. Those thunders are revealed in a book, as well as detailed accounts of the final three and one-half years of man's self-rule on earth, which are recorded in the account of the Seventh Seal of Revelation. Some of these prophecies concern the demise of the United States over the next year, which will be followed by man's final world war. This last war will be the result of clashing religions and the governments they sway. Billions will die! This time will far exceed even the very worst times in all human history. As these events unfold, the world will increasingly become aware of the authenticity of the words in this book and realize that Ronald Weinland has been sent by God as His end-time prophet. This book is primarily directed to the people of the three major religions of the world (Islam, Judaism and Christianity), whose roots are in the God of Abraham. Ronald Weinland has been sent to all three. http://www.the-end.com/2008GodsFinalWitness/ http://saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=237 I've been saying this for years but no one listens. NO ONE LISTENS DO YOU HEAR ME! NO ONE ****ING LISTENS!!
Saint Charlie Posted 3 September, 2008 Posted 3 September, 2008 I have read the title of this thread and nothing more. It's all I needed to see to realise that this is one of those f*cking ridiculous threads, that really should be locked and deleted from the start. I bet this gimp said in the summer "I'm prepared to give him time" - so why the f*ck do you start debating when the end will come?! Surely you have to accept that their will be minor hiccups along the way with this kind of project? Or are you a total idiot? (I am aware from posts in the past that this poster isn't the brightest.) Idiotic negativity like this doesn't is mongness of the highest order. Totally agree. Ludicrous thread.
um pahars Posted 4 September, 2008 Posted 4 September, 2008 I've mentioned before that for me "success" would be to survive this season in this league. Personally, I wouldn't call mere survival a "success". We just about survived last season, but I didn't run onto the pitch as I didn't see that as worthy of being celebrated after such a shocking season (mainly brought about by a totally disinterested Burley IMHO). Instead, it was more of a "relief" that we weren't going to go under. Success for me would be climbing the table and then ultimately getting promoted.
Norm Posted 4 September, 2008 Posted 4 September, 2008 Lord Lowe will give him the season. The boo boys probably already want his head. All the more reason to never listen to fans in anything footballing-related. I really do love your posts! Honest. They give me a 'feel good' moment in a dreary day. Mind you, I've been told that I have a strange sense of humour:)
ottery st mary Posted 4 September, 2008 Posted 4 September, 2008 Totally agree. Ludicrous thread. Totally agree with you. We agreed to give the new Coach at least 13 matches or has that changed? For me we have to persevere and let the side develop(more quickly please) get the tactics right more often and you never know. But if you lose too many games over the next, say 8-10 then who knows what Lowey and Wildey will do. As supporters let us all hope and pray he is definitely on the right lines and not forgetting we need our share of luck to kick in as well.
Sundance Beast Posted 4 September, 2008 Posted 4 September, 2008 Who ever is manager / Coach is on a loser from day one. Any person bought in by Lowe is tainted, shop solied and tarnished goods. While Lowe is still with us all connected with him will be judged and doomed without a trial. Although I dislike Lowe with a passion for his past failings and attitude it is a no win situation for anyone connected with him or brought in by him. So the short answer is not long Doug as you are retired I would thankfully and respectfully suggest that both Jan and Rupert will be around longer than you. Time for you to forgive and forget and move on as your views are as stuck as your old 78s. Truly ridiculous thread. Lowe is running this club now in an altogther different era and the rules of engagement have clearly changed for anyone intelligent enough to assess and accept the situation. We are in a better position now than at any time in the past two years but it remains grave. Posters on here have the attention and expectation span of Mike Ashley. Dennis Wise as DoF anyone?
gordonToo Posted 4 September, 2008 Posted 4 September, 2008 It's still a results driven business. Stay out of the bottom 3 and the project is safe. If not, and if attendances dwindle and the SP plummets, market forces will determine the outcome.
StubbSaint Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 I really really like this guy, and to be honest with you I would love to see him here for years to come. HOWEVER How long do you think Lowe or indeed some of the more 'vocal' supporters will give Jan before pressure starts to build on him to get results? I can't see Lowe sacking him purely because of his efforts to 'revolutionize' the club, but it concerns me that if we lose to QPR and Ipswich and pick up a point against Barnsley for example that some people will start to lose patience. Thoughts? the sooner he goes the betta , he is a cluess dutch joker as proved by his teams 2nd half performance against the mighty blackpool
StubbSaint Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 I really really like this guy, and to be honest with you I would love to see him here for years to come. HOWEVER How long do you think Lowe or indeed some of the more 'vocal' supporters will give Jan before pressure starts to build on him to get results? I can't see Lowe sacking him purely because of his efforts to 'revolutionize' the club, but it concerns me that if we lose to QPR and Ipswich and pick up a point against Barnsley for example that some people will start to lose patience. Thoughts? the sooner he goes the betta , he is a cluess dutch joker as proved by his teams 2nd half performance against the mighty blackpool
Legod Second Coming Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 the sooner he goes the betta , he is a cluess dutch joker as proved by his teams 2nd half performance against the mighty blackpool Hmm, as I watched us beat birmingham I thought exactly the same... not...
Legod Second Coming Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 the sooner he goes the betta , he is a cluess dutch joker as proved by his teams 2nd half performance against the mighty blackpool Hmm, as I watched us beat birmingham I thought exactly the same... not...
StubbSaint Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 Someone ban that clown. and why explain yourself , its a forum and its all about opinions
StubbSaint Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 Someone ban that clown. and why explain yourself , its a forum and its all about opinions
Fowllyd Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 the sooner he goes the betta , he is a cluess dutch joker as proved by his teams 2nd half performance against the mighty blackpool As a matter of interest, who would you like to see replace him? And did you see the Carling Cup game against Birmingham?
Fowllyd Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 the sooner he goes the betta , he is a cluess dutch joker as proved by his teams 2nd half performance against the mighty blackpool As a matter of interest, who would you like to see replace him? And did you see the Carling Cup game against Birmingham?
derry Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 The question didn't need answering. As long as he carries out Lowe's instructions, retains his confidence, continues to have a team playing well, even with roller coaster results, and avoids relegation he will not be under threat. If Wotte and the coaches provide and introduce successfully more academy first team players, to replace any sold, then JP and MW will retain Lowe's confidence.
derry Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 The question didn't need answering. As long as he carries out Lowe's instructions, retains his confidence, continues to have a team playing well, even with roller coaster results, and avoids relegation he will not be under threat. If Wotte and the coaches provide and introduce successfully more academy first team players, to replace any sold, then JP and MW will retain Lowe's confidence.
Dark Munster Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 Well, if Lowe is to be consistent, he should judge JP after 13 games. If his league record is no better than W3, D7, L3 then he should be sacked. JP's currently on W1, D0, L3, so he can't afford to lose any more matches.
Dark Munster Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 Well, if Lowe is to be consistent, he should judge JP after 13 games. If his league record is no better than W3, D7, L3 then he should be sacked. JP's currently on W1, D0, L3, so he can't afford to lose any more matches.
Fowllyd Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 Well, if Lowe is to be consistent, he should judge JP after 13 games. If his league record is no better than W3, D7, L3 then he should be sacked. JP's currently on W1, D0, L3, so he can't afford to lose any more matches. What if his record is W8, D1, L4 then - purely for the sake of argument? That would be 25 points - hardly sacking form I'd have thought. As others have pointed out, JP's here for the season as an absolute minimum, unless things go really badly wrong. And, even if they do, I can't see how we'll afford to sack him and take on somebody else - well, thinking about it, the firing may well be pretty cheap. But the hiring wouldn't be.
Fowllyd Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 Well, if Lowe is to be consistent, he should judge JP after 13 games. If his league record is no better than W3, D7, L3 then he should be sacked. JP's currently on W1, D0, L3, so he can't afford to lose any more matches. What if his record is W8, D1, L4 then - purely for the sake of argument? That would be 25 points - hardly sacking form I'd have thought. As others have pointed out, JP's here for the season as an absolute minimum, unless things go really badly wrong. And, even if they do, I can't see how we'll afford to sack him and take on somebody else - well, thinking about it, the firing may well be pretty cheap. But the hiring wouldn't be.
derry Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 Why the hell would the man be under threat. He has produced a good young side that can get better. If he can get a few results in the next couple of months, attendances should rise.
derry Posted 5 September, 2008 Posted 5 September, 2008 Why the hell would the man be under threat. He has produced a good young side that can get better. If he can get a few results in the next couple of months, attendances should rise.
Big Ron fan Posted 6 September, 2008 Posted 6 September, 2008 I agree Rich. However, let him aim for the play-offs, if we miss by a bit then we are fine - if we aim for survival and miss then that's a problem. The difference between this team and that of the last four years is that we are creating chances and hopefully the new strikers will finish them. Sorry, but this is tosh. For most of Burley's time we were creating plenty of chances - the problem was not being able to defend properly. Just like now, in fact.
SaintRobbie Posted 6 September, 2008 Posted 6 September, 2008 I really really like this guy, and to be honest with you I would love to see him here for years to come. HOWEVER How long do you think Lowe or indeed some of the more 'vocal' supporters will give Jan before pressure starts to build on him to get results? I can't see Lowe sacking him purely because of his efforts to 'revolutionize' the club, but it concerns me that if we lose to QPR and Ipswich and pick up a point against Barnsley for example that some people will start to lose patience. Thoughts? I think he'll be sacked by Christmas unless Lowe and Wilde have League 1 in their plans for next year to give the kids a chance to mature.
IFHP Posted 6 September, 2008 Posted 6 September, 2008 Totally agree with you. We agreed to give the new Coach at least 13 matches or has that changed? For me we have to persevere and let the side develop(more quickly please) get the tactics right more often and you never know. But if you lose too many games over the next, say 8-10 then who knows what Lowey and Wildey will do. As supporters let us all hope and pray he is definitely on the right lines and not forgetting we need our share of luck to kick in as well. Such a ludicrous thread that not only have you read and posted on it, you have already asked yourself, the thread titles question and given Jan a minimum of 13 games.
ottery st mary Posted 6 September, 2008 Posted 6 September, 2008 Such a ludicrous thread that not only have you read and posted on it, you have already asked yourself, the thread titles question and given Jan a minimum of 13 games. Good God you sounded just like Saint Charlie or was it Nick or Nick G or h? I get them mixed up or was it washsaint or buctootin or.... there are a few out of the rota.. Still a ridiclous or was it ludicrous thread. But you have to have a larf matey. Will be interesting what JP achieves after 13 games. But if you didn't see the whoooosh.... you may have seen other posts where I clearly see and endorse the JP method (but also the mighty Pearson. They should have worked together) who is here and now and has put a few very good youngsters together but still has limited time like any other coach. It might not be the thread it might just me that is a Ludicrous Saints fan like you I hope.
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2008 Posted 6 September, 2008 people are cursing english football on here and the so called demise of it and the role of the coach/manager...then you read a thread like this and wonder why (or realise this helps) the demise is happening... fans unwillingness to give a coach time and judge him without bias, the country over is also part of the problem
ottery st mary Posted 6 September, 2008 Posted 6 September, 2008 people are cursing english football on here and the so called demise of it and the role of the coach/manager...then you read a thread like this and wonder why (or realise this helps) the demise is happening... fans unwillingness to give a coach time and judge him without bias, the country over is also part of the problem Alright then give him 14 games have it your way. To be fair there was a bank holiday in there somewhere. Get rid of all Chairman of football and let the coach get on with it. . Sorry just realised we have already done that.
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2008 Posted 6 September, 2008 Alright then give him 14 games have it your way. To be fair there was a bank holiday in there somewhere. Get rid of all Chairman of football and let the coach get on with it. . Sorry just realised we have already done that. what the hell are you on about?
ottery st mary Posted 6 September, 2008 Posted 6 September, 2008 what the hell are you on about? I am trying to buy JP a little more time at lest until xmas hopefully.
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2008 Posted 6 September, 2008 I am trying to buy JP a little more time at lest until xmas hopefully. I think that was the point I was making
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