Trader Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 I wonder who they played The reserves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 It is frustrating. But we're Saints, so we have to start getting used to the fact that whoever is in charge we will never ever be good ever again. Someone has it in for us. God is a skate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 (edited) Campbell to Notts County http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/notts_county/8218136.stm It is going to be more difficult to get out of League 1 next season if Notts County are there Edited 25 August, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Campbell to Notts County http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/notts_county/8218136.stm Souper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Notts county unravelling already? Looks like mr liebherr's conservative approach is the way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Notts county unravelling already? Looks like mr liebherr's conservative approach is the way to go Have I missed something here Trousers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Look on gen sport...............Notts County are under investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Have I missed something here Trousers? Sol Campbell reported as quitting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Notts county unravelling already? Looks like mr liebherr's conservative approach is the way to go Why? Does not seem either approach is any good at the moment but a few wins y both teams and that may change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Mungo finance under investigation by football league apparently, for not yet revealing who their middle east backers are by name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2650775/Sol-Campbell-quits-Notts-County.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Confirmed on SSN,Campbell has left County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Well this has been a pretty emphatic win for markus. it shows we're doing it the right way "Notts County is on the market, Munto Finance are seeking to dispose of the club and are in contact with some potential buyers. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/notts_county/8405269.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Well this has been a pretty emphatic win for markus. it shows we're doing it the right way "Notts County is on the market, Munto Finance are seeking to dispose of the club and are in contact with some potential buyers. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/notts_county/8405269.stm It does not show we are doing it the right way at all it shows that Notts County are up for Sale they are in the play off and near automatic promotion. We maybe doing it the right way but only time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Well this has been a pretty emphatic win for markus. it shows we're doing it the right way "Notts County is on the market, Munto Finance are seeking to dispose of the club and are in contact with some potential buyers. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/notts_county/8405269.stm This just underlines how lucky we are, I still cannot believe it happened to us. It really looks like Liebherr is in it for the long term, but we can only hope on that one, along with his health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 This just underlines how lucky we are, I still cannot believe it happened to us. It really looks like Liebherr is in it for the long term, but we can only hope on that one, along with his health. I agree, i still cannot believe it. I'm also impressed with Cortese, who speaks with sense and realism. TBH i did worry about his health when you first saw his pics back during the Ajax/millwall games - but he looks better these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 This just underlines how lucky we are, I still cannot believe it happened to us. It really looks like Liebherr is in it for the long term, but we can only hope on that one, along with his health. I remember the "nothing good ever happens to Saints" attitude in the summer and was coming round to that way of thinking myself. Now however, I suggest that Herr Liebherr has well and truly blown that theory out of the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altoniansaints Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 not really related to this but can`t start a new thread at the mo (so if someone wants to please feel free) but a skate friend of mine came into the pub last night and said he had heard that p*mpey had gone into admin yesterday or that they will do by friday! anyone heard anything similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Pompey deny Admin rumours. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8405591.stm I guess they would say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Liebherr's conservative approach was always going to be the beast long term plan. I don't think some people have quite grasped the concept yet however. I keep seeing statements like, "give Lallana £5m to make him stay" and, "forget the FA Cup, we don't need the prize money" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Well looks like we really lucked out this time with Marcus Leibherr & Cortese. And as Arizona said they are doing it the right way one step at a time. Putting the pieces in place for sustained success. Managers in place then the back room staff (work in progress). Work done internally in the stadium by all accounts. Updated training facility's in the pipeline, & as they promised & so far delivered he would make us competitive in the league we were in. Long may it continue. NC wouldn't have put his reputation on the line if he didn't think he would achieve his goals for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Funny how some on here feel we have a conservative approach and remain conveniently blind to the fact that we have outspend Nott County by a mile and single handily spent almost as much as L1 put together. We haven’t been conservative – we have just remained quiet about our dealings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Funny how some on here feel we have a conservative approach and remain conveniently blind to the fact that we have outspend Nott County by a mile and single handily spent almost as much as L1 put together. We haven’t been conservative – we have just remained quiet about our dealings! Yeah we've just been a bit more subtle, and haven't tried to grab the headlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Pompey deny Admin rumours. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8405591.stm I guess they would say that. There's nothing that screams "we're on the verge of administration" more than issuing a strongly-worded and defensive statement that says "we're not on the verge of administration"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 There's nothing that screams "we're on the verge of administration" more than issuing a strongly-worded and defensive statement that says "we're not on the verge of administration"... Never believe a rumour until it's denied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Don't worry their transfer embargo was gonna be lifted in a few days about a month ago lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Funny how some on here feel we have a conservative approach and remain conveniently blind to the fact that we have outspend Nott County by a mile and single handily spent almost as much as L1 put together. We haven’t been conservative – we have just remained quiet about our dealings! On the other hand, we haven't tried to sign anyone with a £40k a week contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Funny how some on here feel we have a conservative approach and remain conveniently blind to the fact that we have outspend Nott County by a mile and single handily spent almost as much as L1 put together. We haven’t been conservative – we have just remained quiet about our dealings! We could take as much as £6m more in extra gates from some of the teams in this League. £400k for Hammond and £1m for Lambert, whilst big for this League, isn't excessive for the size of the club. Added to that Nott's Co didn't sell players their better players for over £3m in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Added to that Nott's Co didn't sell players their better players for over £3m in the summer. That is irrelevant, as all McGoldrick and Surman etc money was before the takeover and used to pay debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 That is irrelevant, as all McGoldrick and Surman etc money was before the takeover and used to pay debt. tis true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 That is irrelevant, as all McGoldrick and Surman etc money was before the takeover and used to pay debt. Which made the club cheaper to buy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_hill Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Which made the club cheaper to buy.... I think you'll find it was going into administration that made us cheaper to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 That is irrelevant, as all McGoldrick and Surman etc money was before the takeover and used to pay debt. It is relevant to the playing side of things. Imagine if Leeds had to sell theur best players in January due to financial restraints, then a new owner spent half as much on bring in replacements. You wouldn't call them big spending, they're just replacing the players they've already lost. This is just responding to financial changes and replacing the massive damage sustained before the takeover. This isn't a Man City scenario where they had a reasonable squad and spent massive amounts of money trying to make a team of world beaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 (edited) It is relevant to the playing side of things. Imagine if Leeds had to sell theur best players in January due to financial restraints, then a new owner spent half as much on bring in replacements. You wouldn't call them big spending, they're just replacing the players they've already lost. This isn't a Man City scenario where they had a reasonable squad and spent massive amounts of money trying to make a team of world beaters. But as the money from the Surman/McGoldrick deals was completely separate from the Lambert/Hammond deals it is irrelevant as the two aren't connected. As well as the money for Hammond/Lambert, alot of money would have been spent on signing on fees and wages for Murty, Jaidi, Harding, Connolly and also loan fee for Papa Waigo would have been high as we have option to buy. None of these players could be brought by many other League One teams. Add to that keeping Davis on a new contract, improving the interior of St Mary's, new training ground. Relative to the League we are very big spenders. As Cortese has said in numerous interviews they are going to spend enough to get out of the respective league they find themselves in order to reach the Premiership. Edited 10 December, 2009 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 That is irrelevant, as all McGoldrick and Surman etc money was before the takeover and used to pay debt. Swings and roundabouts. We had to sell to stay afloat because we were in admin so couldn't bring money in through season ticket sales. These went on sale later and receipts would not have been used to fund the club through the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I think we're singing from the same him sheet, just a nit out of key. The players we have brought in are needed to replace some of the (quite good) players who have left. I know we don't have the money from those transfers as it went towards keeping the club aflot. Never the less, they did need replacing. In that sense we aren't the Man City of League 1. We're the Man City, IF they had sold SWP, Robinho, Ireland, Bellamy and Richards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 It is relevant to the playing side of things. Imagine if Leeds had to sell theur best players in January due to financial restraints, then a new owner spent half as much on bring in replacements. You wouldn't call them big spending, they're just replacing the players they've already lost. This is just responding to financial changes and replacing the massive damage sustained before the takeover. This isn't a Man City scenario where they had a reasonable squad and spent massive amounts of money trying to make a team of world beaters. Leeds sold some of there best players - Fabian Delph, Jonathan Douglas, Frazer Richardson, Peter Sweeney, David Lucas, Matty Edwards + + + all left in the summer. They didn’t spend the money received in fact they only spend 250k…the rest were freebies and loans. Delph alone raised 5 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I stand corrected RE: Leeds, but I stand by my original point. Spending less on players than you received from selling them doesn't make you a big spender, regardless of where the money comes and goes. Yes I know Marcus is a couple of million out of pocket, I still wouldn't call us big spenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I stand corrected RE: Leeds, but I stand by my original point. Spending less on players than you received from selling them doesn't make you a big spender, regardless of where the money comes and goes. Yes I know Marcus is a couple of million out of pocket, I still wouldn't call us big spenders. It's a bit of both really. No matter where the money for Surman, DMG et al went, they were players that were in our first team last season that we lost, they brought in a significant amount of money, and they needed to be replaced. However, there are not many other clubs in this division that the likes of Lambert, Hammond, Murty, Waigo etc would have gone to, both for the transfer fee/wage that we can now pay, and for the fact that we're one of the biggest clubs in the division. I agree with Arizona that it's not irelevant when the players were sold, the sales would have had some form of impact on the price of the club. And while we have certainly spent alot on new players we're certainly not the "Man City of League 1", we're just a bigger and wealthier club compared to most other teams around us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Which made the club cheaper to buy.... did it...really..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 why are people denying the fact we are blowing money hand over fist for league 1....does it scare people to see this..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Leeds sold some of there best players - Fabian Delph (Aston Villa, undisclosed fee) Jonathan Douglas (Swindon, free transfer) Frazer Richardson (Charlton, free transfer) Peter Sweeney (Grimsby, free transfer) David Lucas (Swindon, free transfer) Matty Edwards (Rochdale, released by Leeds) So apart from Delph, all other players out of the door went on frees, and none to clubs in a higher division. We lost McGoldrick, Dyer, Surman, Wright-Phillips, Euell, John and Rasiak. All to teams in a higher division, and quite obviously our better players. Leeds and us are two completely different scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 did it...really..? If it reduced the debt, then it certainly should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 why are people denying the fact we are blowing money hand over fist for league 1....does it scare people to see this..? That's a massive exageration IMO. Yes, we have spent more than any other club in League 1 this season. However, when it's all totted up transfer fees and signing on fees probably add up to around £2m. We also had to sell our best players in the summer to the tune of £3m (plus a few who left on a Bosman and would get into most L1 teams). I know we don't have that £3m to spend, but we needed to replace those players with ones of equivalent quality and therefore cost. As I pointed out, we probably bring in an extra £6m a year from gates than a team like Oldham. £6m extra income, minus the £2m on transfers still leaves £4m for extra wages (roughly 8 players on £10k a week). Basically our spending is proportional to our spending. This is unlike Pompey who spent nearly £100m with gates of less than 20k and Man City who spent Real Madrid money with Everton or Spurs levels of income. Notts Co are in L2, bringing in barely 7,000 fans a week and signing people like Sven (40k a week, or 4 Rickie Lamberts) and Campbell (Couldn't have taken much less than £60kpw to get him there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 The original post compared Saints to Notts County. The fact is that the wonderful, expensive, brave new world of Sven, Sol etc.. has now been put up for sale and I'll be surprised if there are many takers ! Prudent, sensible, management and ownership will always outlast the 'headliners' who crave publicity and hail the short term spectacular coup ! All the Arabs and Yanks put together will not add up to the 'one and only' Markus Liebherr ! All IMHO, of course ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 (edited) That's a massive exageration IMO. Yes, we have spent more than any other club in League 1 this season. However, when it's all totted up transfer fees and signing on fees probably add up to around £2m. . why do you deny the fact we are blowing everyone out of the water with money in this league..we are not just out spending..we are blowing people out of the water.. if you think the signings we have made have totted up to £2m shows you are in denial.. we are spending chelsea money for league 1....get with the programme how you can count money in from surman and DMG that was used to keep the club in existance and not to tuck away in the bank again...no club in league 1 will rake in a million for a player and go anywhere NEAR to re-spending it on the squad. no other club in the league could maintain the squad we have either... Edited 10 December, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 why do you deny the fact we are blowing everyone out of the water with money in this league..we are not just out spending..we are blowing people out of the water.. if you think the signings we have made have totted up to £2m shows you are in denial.. we are spending chelsea money for league 1....get with the programme how you can count money in from surman and DMG that was used to keep the club in existance and not to tuck away in the bank again...no club in league 1 will rake in a million for a player and go anywhere NEAR to re-spending it on the squad. no other club in the league could maintain the squad we have either... I would say Norwich and Charlton ARE currently maintaining very similar squads to ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Delldays, we are not "blowing people out the water" FFS. If we were then we would have signed Beckford, Sodje, Snodgrass etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 (edited) Delldays, we are not "blowing people out the water" FFS. If we were then we would have signed Beckford, Sodje, Snodgrass etc. we are....how much have yeovil spent, gillingham, exeter, wycombe, tranmere, stockport, swindon.. we have probably spent as much this season on players, staff and wages as 5 of those teams above will spend between them in the next few years Edited 10 December, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 we are....how much have yeovil spent, gillingham, exeter, wycombe, tranmere, stockport, swindon.. we have probably spent as much this season one player, staff and wages as 5 of those teams above will spend between them in the next few years You have a point to an extent. A lot of the payments amount to reconstructing the club and its playing staff back to an acceptable level. We've lost a lot of players and we've partially replaced them and i would expect more changes to come next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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