Hamilton Saint Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 And people are wondering why Wotte hasn't cleared off yet? Trouble brewing in the background. Pardew better move fast to sort things out or indeed he'll be gone come the end of November. Oh, please ... If I may quote my least-favourite tennis player of all time. "You cannot be serious".
Saint Paul C Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 From what Pilchards posted yesterday about the 1st training session with AP and the seemingly woeful performance against Salisbury I guess a few players will get invited to visit Mr Pardew in his office and be told to find a new club. This is a good thing IMHO.
GeckoSaint Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 Looks like Saints are going to Farnborough again on Monday 27th July : http://www.farnboroughfc.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=271:saints-coming-to-cherrywood-again&catid=1:latest&Itemid=196 They beaten Brentford already this preseason. Interesting how Saints do.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 (edited) If I never see Pulis in a Saints shirt again it will be a day too soon - the bloke cannot play football...a complete waste of space. I cannot remember a single positive contribution to the game - utter, utter rubbish. Seriously, he would be hard pushed to find his way into Salisburys squad. Mind you, I think there were about 8 Salisbury players I would gladly swop with their Saints counterparts tonight as they were heads and shoulders better, both in terms of ability and tactical nouse. Saints did not look atall organised - it was embarrising - and I don't care what anyone says, the team should be better drilled than that. Worse performances were : Saga (asleep), Wotton (truly dreadful), Pulis (call that football?), Gobern (wot position am I in?), Poke (it away). The rest were poor. The slightly better performances came from Stern who tried hard, James (just), Perry (lone CB battle), Thompson (tried to get to byline), Paterson (worked hard and had pace), Molyneax (yes, he looked OK in comparison to the other rubbish). AP came along just after half-time and interestingly the team suddenly started to look more lively. Henderson was a waste of space in terms of giving instruction to the team - we need a proper 2nd in command if AP is not around. I am hoping that is nowhere near the quality of football we should expect to see this season - if it is, I would put a lot of money on another relegation. Honestly, I was shocked at how bad it was - disregarding the goals, easily the worst performance I have ever seen from a Saints side. Edited 22 July, 2009 by Saint Fan CaM
saintrich Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 I know it's only pre-season and I know it's only a Saints XI... but conceding 5 goals with Perry and Lancashire in defence (who will probably play most games in league one for us, given Thomas' fitness record).. oh dear.
Saint in Paradise Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 IF AP was even slightly in doubt about some of the players I bet he isn't now. I expect he will set wheels rolling very, very soon now. First thing in the morning I suspect AP will be in contact with Mr L. asking for lots of money.
LaptopSaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Oh, please ... If I may quote my least-favourite tennis player of all time. "You cannot be serious". +1. Wotte a load of utter nonsense.
lordswoodsaints Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 If pardew doesn't act in the transfer Market after witnessing that then I will be very surprised.....if he doesn't then it's going to be a long hard winter of dissapointment IMO. I hope he doesn't fill the team with ex charlton players as they will be just as shellshocked as our lot,they also have lost the winning way and are damaged goods.
LaptopSaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Listening to his interview on Saints TV he seems to know what the problems are already. Lack of passion, lack of fight, and in some areas lack of quality. He's not going to come out and say I've got big bucks to spend and I'm looking to buy six players, is he? But when he says there'll be some movement I think we can believe him.
Master Bates Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 The more poor pre-season results the better imo.
Master Bates Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4505136.Goals_rain_in_as_Saints_lose_again/
Bearsy Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 No more than 2 of that team will be in the starting 11 against Millwall.
BadgerBadger Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 This is good - winning all our warm up games would just be papering over the cracks, losing them shows the amount of hard work that is required to get a decent team together.
manji Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 the ghost of Lowe will take a while to be exorcised. Obsessed.
CB Saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 (edited) Blimey. It was a Saints eleven from a league one side - Peolpe need to remember that our first eleven isn't very good (hence we are in league one). So if you take our poor team, take out half the first squad and replace them with nippers and fringe players, why wouldn't Salisbury be in with a chance. Some saints fans have been living in delusion that we are a big prem club. We are not and we have consistantly demonstrated this over the last vfew seasons. Hopefully this is a reality check - for AP, the players and, importantly, for us. Do not expect miracles immediately - it will take time. Even if we sign half a dozen players tomorrow it is going to take time for to learn to play together. That said - if in two months time nothing has changed then I take it all back. Until then, patience. Edited 22 July, 2009 by CB Saint
SO16_Saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 I've not read the whole thread, but it appears that it's all Saints were this, Saints were that. From the few reports i've read from the match, it sounds like Salisbury played well - so well done to them and fair play. Over the years we've always moaned that we never got any credit for beating a better team, it was always 'Man Utd didn't turn up' or the like. Credit where credit is due....
Pilchards Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Anyone that went see Pardew do seven deep slow claps or any hands on knees coding? strange I know!
BotleySaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 At least Pardew will know now that Lancashire isn't up to the job and gives the team less confidence. It is a shame, but I think the harder Olly tries, the more nervous he looks...
The Saturday Boy Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 back from the game and it was pathetic all round.Less than 20 in the away fans section! The game wasn't segregated, so there were quite a few Saints fans dotted around. Definitely more than 20 anyway! City were deserved winners and made us look pretty second-rate for most of the game. You could have driven a tractor through our defence in the first half. Match report and team line ups - http://www.sport4salisbury.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=788
Saint Without a Halo Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Three goalkeepers in that list... Playing three keepers in goal should shore up a leaky defence!
glkdcdes Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 I dont think A.P. is under any illusions, his saints tv interview was about right. We need to be very realistic this season. Its a risky business building a new team quickly. If we dont get it right, we may even be sticking around the lower half of the season. Last season as soon as the idiot Lowe got rid of Pearson and started his Dutch experiment, it was clear that we would very likely be relegated. The difference this season is that the challenges at least are positive and with some luck [and good judgement obviously] with new signings their at least is a remote chance of promotion. I think the new regime are totally focussed on sorting out the team, but the pre season results will if any thing not hurt a.ps. efforts in getting new players in quickly.
bungle Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 This thread ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. 1) We were just in administration for a long time, therefore we haven't been able to sign any players and have lost some. Another downside of administration is that it can cost you valuable preperation time for the following season. Anyone who thinks some Swiss billionaire is able to take us back a month to we can prepare properly is a nutjob. 2) It was a Saints XI, as The9 rightly points out. Okay, it sounds as if there were some individual performances to be worried about, but it's a mile from the team we expect to line up vs Millwall. 3) We have only just got our new manager, he still hasn't employed his own backroom staff yet (as far as I can work out we are down to 1 coach (Hendersen). Hardly ideal? 4) It's pre-season!!!!!!!!!!!!
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Our new manager has had a few hours with our team, a team that from eye witness accounts(Pilchards) are technically brain dead, therefore, this result like the others before them simply confirms our status, what troubles me is the apparent lack of effort from some, they are playing for their future ffs or have some simply conceded that their future is not with us ? AP probably became very aware of his task after that first training session so would like to think he will be proactive in sorting out the problem areas.
derry Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Fair Summary, we were very poor. Team was: --------------Poke------------- James--Perry--Lancashire--Mills Thomson--Wotton--Pulis--Gobern ----------Saga-----John--------- As said above Stern played quite well Saga looked dis-interested. Pulis and Wotton did the same job.....holding in front of defence (Neither did that too well!!). Mills was ok. Perry Solid as usual. Thomson and Gobern not involved although Gobern was better when he went in the centre of midfield. I usually like Poke but he was bad tonight especially dealing with crosses. Forecast I don't rate but didn't have much too do. Paterson was good tonight looked hungry when he came on. So against Salisbury with every player having played in the first team, we played four at the back and two defensive holding midfielders in front of them and went 3-0 down. I suppose the apologists will say it doesn't matter but it does. A defensive team against a non league side, you couldn't make it up.
Scummer Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 So against Salisbury with every player having played in the first team, we played four at the back and two defensive holding midfielders in front of them and went 3-0 down. I suppose the apologists will say it doesn't matter but it does. A defensive team against a non league side, you couldn't make it up. Still, at least it was 4-4-2 with two proper wide men, eh.
Chez Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Fair Summary, we were very poor. Team was: --------------Poke------------- James--Perry--Lancashire--Mills Thomson--Wotton--Pulis--Gobern ----------Saga-----John--------- As said above Stern played quite well Saga looked dis-interested. Pulis and Wotton did the same job.....holding in front of defence (Neither did that too well!!). Mills was ok. Perry Solid as usual. Thomson and Gobern not involved although Gobern was better when he went in the centre of midfield. I usually like Poke but he was bad tonight especially dealing with crosses. Forecast I don't rate but didn't have much too do. Paterson was good tonight looked hungry when he came on. The result does not matter in friendly games but the way you play and mannetr the team goes about things does matter and its not as though we haev a coupel of months away, it just a couple of weeks now and we need confidence to be high and to hit the griund running. We have almost our first choice defence and are playing two holding midfielders in front of them yet we conceed five. Any chance you could describe some of the goals because in Perry and Lancashire I think we have none of the attributes required of a good centre half pairing - height, strength and pace, so I wonder if they were to blame or was it the nieve full back positioning and them failing to cover the centre backs or was it the overall lack of height of the back four?
OldNick Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Posted 22 July, 2009 This thread ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. 1) We were just in administration for a long time, therefore we haven't been able to sign any players and have lost some. Another downside of administration is that it can cost you valuable preperation time for the following season. Anyone who thinks some Swiss billionaire is able to take us back a month to we can prepare properly is a nutjob. 2) It was a Saints XI, as The9 rightly points out. Okay, it sounds as if there were some individual performances to be worried about, but it's a mile from the team we expect to line up vs Millwall. 3) We have only just got our new manager, he still hasn't employed his own backroom staff yet (as far as I can work out we are down to 1 coach (Hendersen). Hardly ideal? 4) It's pre-season!!!!!!!!!!!!Bungle, so people at the game who wish to give a heads up on the performance should gloss over the fract that we were totally outplayed by a more skillful and hungrier outfit.Yes Rasiak didnt play (that would have made not an ounce of difference as Stern worked harder than he would have) KD missing would have stopped 2 of the goals in the first half.He wouldnt have stopped al;l the pressure we were under due to an ineffectual experienced centre midfield. The9 is right a lot of those players are on the fringes, but if asked to put a side out from that squad last night would you expect to let 5 in? Im not pannicking but pointing out that we have a lack of decent players in important areas and AP will Im sure fill those gaps. If you had gone and watched you may well have been as disillusioned as myself. Roll on saturday when we will field our stronger side and perhaps get a better performance.I was concerned about Lloyds lack of form in the last 2 games as he was a shining light last season. Perry although in a defence that let in 5 was powerless as Lancashire was not up to marking their forward who won everything and scored ahattrick.Mills is going to be a fine player, there in the right place again to score
Chez Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 This thread ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. 1) We were just in administration for a long time, therefore we haven't been able to sign any players and have lost some. Another downside of administration is that it can cost you valuable preperation time for the following season. Anyone who thinks some Swiss billionaire is able to take us back a month to we can prepare properly is a nutjob. 2) It was a Saints XI, as The9 rightly points out. Okay, it sounds as if there were some individual performances to be worried about, but it's a mile from the team we expect to line up vs Millwall. 3) We have only just got our new manager, he still hasn't employed his own backroom staff yet (as far as I can work out we are down to 1 coach (Hendersen). Hardly ideal? 4) It's pre-season!!!!!!!!!!!! Not sure the side is that far from our first 11. Imagine a few injuries and that could be the starting line up. Hopefully we will seriously strengthen over the next few weeks and this side won't ever have to be picked. In the end it is good that Pardew is seeing this now. He will have a much better idea of what is needed if we lose to teams like Salisbury rather than struggle to a 1-0 win.
bungle Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Does anyone expect a club that has been in administration all summer, and has been bought out well into pre-season AND has changed it's manager and currently seems to have only 1 coach to be at an advanced stage of team building?! Did people actually think that the summer we've had would be condusive to a positive start to the season?
OldNick Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Posted 22 July, 2009 The result does not matter in friendly games but the way you play and mannetr the team goes about things does matter and its not as though we haev a coupel of months away, it just a couple of weeks now and we need confidence to be high and to hit the griund running. We have almost our first choice defence and are playing two holding midfielders in front of them yet we conceed five. Any chance you could describe some of the goals because in Perry and Lancashire I think we have none of the attributes required of a good centre half pairing - height, strength and pace, so I wonder if they were to blame or was it the nieve full back positioning and them failing to cover the centre backs or was it the overall lack of height of the back four? The first was from a free kick and the centre forward flicked on the cross, the second from a corner, the 3rd from the defence opened up and a midfield runner took the ball on to score.Theor 4th a cross that the cf headed in again and the 5th a shot from about 15 yards after a bit of a scramble.
OldNick Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Posted 22 July, 2009 Does anyone expect a club that has been in administration all summer, and has been bought out well into pre-season AND has changed it's manager and currently seems to have only 1 coach to be at an advanced stage of team building?! Did people actually think that the summer we've had would be condusive to a positive start to the season? No I didnt expect us to be superb. I did expect us to be solid and have some imagination,we did play some neat football first half but only in the centre of the pitch. Is it ok for players to look half interested and arrogant to believe that it would be easy? I hold no blame to AP, he has had little time to do anything, but I doubt he will be very happy and will weild a big stick.
Thedelldays Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 i thought i wa supposed to be a depressive... what a load of ald tosh
Thedelldays Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Havant and Waterlooville 2-2 Portsmuff with our result and now this one...the world will now end
Torres Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 the ghost of Lowe will take a while to be exorcised. Are you sure he's even dead? Have you checked that he's not hiding in your shed? Be afraid Duncan, he's coming to get you!
Wiltshire Saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 I tell you who we need.......Ivan Campo. Available on a free. I think with the Swiss connection he would jump at a chance to come here. Maybe as assistant manager. Sign him up (free) on a 3 year contract (he's only 35) and we'll be up to the CCC quicker than you can say "Sol Campbell and Henri Camara are also available on free's"
OldNick Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Posted 22 July, 2009 I tell you who we need.......Ivan Campo. Available on a free. I think with the Swiss connection he would jump at a chance to come here. Maybe as assistant manager. Sign him up (free) on a 3 year contract (he's only 35) and we'll be up to the CCC quicker than you can say "Sol Campbell and Henri Camara are also available on free's" if the club is being run on its own devices I dont think his wages would be found.
Torres Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 I tell you who we need.......Ivan Campo. Available on a free. I think with the Swiss connection he would jump at a chance to come here. Not sure I see the connection.
kpturner Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 I tell you who we need.......Ivan Campo. Available on a free. I think with the Swiss connection he would jump at a chance to come here. Maybe as assistant manager. Sign him up (free) on a 3 year contract (he's only 35) and we'll be up to the CCC quicker than you can say "Sol Campbell and Henri Camara are also available on free's" Not sure I see the connection.Come on Torres, its obvious. There are some people who live in Switzerland whose first name is Ivan. Simples.
Stoozer Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 I don't know what all the fuss is about. It's a Saints XI. Pardew needs to see things beyond the training ground and I'm sure he is making decisions. I am completely unconcerned about losing this particular match.
Beer Engine Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 I don't know what all the fuss is about. It's a Saints XI. Pardew needs to see things beyond the training ground and I'm sure he is making decisions. I am completely unconcerned about losing this particular match. Agree 100%. Bearing in mind that we start on minus 10 and that AP has only 2 weeks in which to find let alone organise a squad, his target for 09/10 must simply be to avoid relegation.
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Seriously WTF are you talking about? Jesus let it go... Sorry Hypo I forgot you don't do irony. Now who was it that signed Pulis?
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Are you sure he's even dead? Have you checked that he's not hiding in your shed? Be afraid Duncan, he's coming to get you! The door is double bolted and I am armed with a pitchfork - don't worry, but if you don't hear from me for a few days can you call the police (that's if they are not already on their way!)
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Playing three keepers in goal should shore up a leaky defence! LoL - nice one.
SaintRichmond Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Last pre-season, we got a draw against West Ham United. But after that we only won 4 home games in the whole season. Warm up games tell you nothing. I think they do my friend ..... ........ They should show, to anyone with one decent eye, who is Kr*p, and who isn't ... Hopefully, Alan Pardew will sort out thet wood from the chafe ......... his problem is .... TIME ......... he does not have a lot of it Could well be that he is "throwing" everyone into the mix ..... for an "instant" assessment ......... I wish him well I can't make the Hearts match ........... so my first "quiet" afternoon will be our dear friends from The New Den............. ( What will be the "safe" pubs for that one ????? )
Clifford Nelson Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Contrary to common belief there is no magic relationship between pre-season results and success in the league. There is, however, an absolute relationship between confidence and fighting spirit on the one hand and success on the other. This squad of ours is woefully short of confidence, isn't up for a scrap and why should it be if losing is so easily excused. Luckily AP knows this now and will do something about it. I wonder though if anything but wholesale changes will do it? A settled back four, or three if you are that way inclined, keeps the conceded goal tally down. Only Perry is a certainty in this back line. Harding will obviously take up the LB role, but otherwise? We don't know yet whether Murty will sign or Lloyd carrying on as RB. Thomas is injury prone and costs a fortune, and Lancashire is...what exactly. He doesn't seem to be a brick in defense and then the red mist descends. Centrebacks mature later than others, and maybe his time hasn't come yet. The midfield yesterday doesn't warrant analysis. Neither Pulis, Gobern or Thompson will be in the starting line up eventually. The reports say that Stern showed that he was keen to work. It will be interesting to see the team on Saturday against Hearts. Probably a lot more like the way we can expect, apart from whatever new signings which will arrive before then.
graymalkin33 Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 I looked at Pulis' stats on the official site yesterday. He's 25 years old. He's played 25 games in his career!! Half of which from subs bench. Thats poor. Thats worse then Steve Baker isnt it?
saint1977 Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 back from the game and it was pathetic all round.Less than 20 in the away fans section! I dont like knocking the players but Poke is not /will not be a L1 standard keeper, lancashire was out fought and jumped by Salisburys Robbie matthews (scored hattrick) 3 down half time and could have been more.We had no attempts on target first half.Although we did miss 2 sitters both missing the goal.Saga will not score many , Stern looked full of effort and was a plus on the night.Perry Mills Paterson and Stern the only players who can hold their heads up IMO. Wotton tried but poor, Gobern not in it, Thomson at his level, even Lloyd was not up to it tonight. Henderson on the touchline first half AP out with him in the second where we started to look more up for it, especially when Paterson came on for the ineffectual Saga. All of a sudden hustle and bustle helping Stern.A fortunate pen, by Wotton pulled 1 back, then Paterson before another high ball gave salisbury another 2 goal lead. Mills and Stern then brought us back to 4 all before Rob Sinclair netted the winner.We didnt look like scoring another. Forecast did ok second half but the defence is appalling. The acadamy players came on for the last few minutes so dont have any illusions that we were mainly a youth side on the night. It was comical, and salisbury deserved their win. I saw us play here last season under Jan and we looked a lot better then with a lot of kids, a long hard scary ride if things dont improve for us Im afraid. The club should sort Ollie Lancashire out with some education or training because he isn't going to make it as footballer at any level. One of the worst ever players we've ever had and currently partnering Scott Marshall in my worst ever XI. Pleased to hear John did well, sounds like Saga had the Mumbles and Gower Peninsular on his mind. Paterson is doing himself some good but look on the bright side Nick, at least Pardew and ML know exactly what is required, there has been no papering over the cracks from this rum lot of players!
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