derry Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2009 What a load of rubbish , dont bother renewing your season ticket mate , your a born pesimist . Real Madrid were out for a stroll never got out of 1st gear in fact they were in neutral , that game for them was about building fitness up and not exerting themselves to hard did you see ronaldo sprinting at all NO , The first half was a good even exchange and a dodgy penalty given didnt do justice for the effort and performance put in . People like you really annoy me , remember Ajax are well into their pre season and we were playing trialists and yougsters in the 2nd half . I have supported Saints for 53 years and was an FA Coach. I don't need a prat who can't even spell, use capital letters in proper names, together with poor punctuation, lecture me on whether I can renew my season tickets. I'm optimistic now we have a new owner and manager, but I wouldn't expect you to grasp the main point regarding the lack of a winning mentality that the team and the previous management suffered from. It may or may not be of interest to you but there are ex saints players that agree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Very Similar to the 2003 Cup Final I would have thought where we never seemed to believe we could win after that huge defeat to Arsenal . thats a good point. I was abroad when that match was played but an sfc fan mate from dartford called me after the game, he reckoned wgs played to avoid a thumping without any thought of winning it. Then as an afterthought he mentioned that in injury time beattie came within a hairsbreadth of taking it to extra time, like that was just a minor detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 thats a good point. I was abroad when that match was played but an sfc fan mate from dartford called me after the game, he reckoned wgs played to avoid a thumping without any thought of winning it. Then as an afterthought he mentioned that in injury time beattie came within a hairsbreadth of taking it to extra time, like that was just a minor detail. And it neEly paid off. We were litterly inches from pushing arsenal to extra time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I have supported Saints for 53 years and was an FA Coach. I don't need a prat who can't even spell, use capital letters in proper names, together with poor punctuation, lecture me on whether I can renew my season tickets. I'm optimistic now we have a new owner and manager, but I wouldn't expect you to grasp the main point regarding the lack of a winning mentality that the team and the previous management suffered from. It may or may not be of interest to you but there are ex saints players that agree with me. Does it matter if the spelling is not perfect does that detract from the point being made? No it does not The o poster might be posting using their phone which puts correct punctuation at the bottom of the priority list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 When Havant & Waterlooville went to Anfield in the FA Cup they didn't think like this, they gave it a damn good go against one of the top sides in Europe and gave Liverpool a right scare. We didn't even try. We gave in because we were scared of being beaten. FA Cup tie, once in a life-time opportunity for part-time players. Pre-Season friendly. Try and spot the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 And it neEly paid off. We were litterly inches from pushing arsenal to extra time was it that close? I never did see it, (yeah I know, what a fan, I'll have to youtube it.) Would likely have made us extra-time favourites as well, cup dashed from the lips and all that, game already wone........aah, if only.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 was it that close? I never did see it, (yeah I know, what a fan, I'll have to youtube it.) Would likely have made us extra-time favourites as well, cup dashed from the lips and all that, game already wone........aah, if only.... Seeeeeaman saving off Ohmygod as well was another nearly moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2009 FA Cup tie, once in a life-time opportunity for part-time players. Pre-Season friendly. Try and spot the difference. Alan Pardew talking about skilful players said that the will to win can nullify the more skilful player if that will to win is not matched. Every game is important in it's own right. The teams that give all win more than they lose. That is something we haven't done for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Seeeeeaman saving off Ohmygod as well was another nearly moment. f*cksake, I'll have to get a copy and watch it. Thats the trouble with missing live games, you lose interest once you know the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Alan Pardew talking about skilful players said that the will to win can nullify the more skilful player if that will to win is not matched. Every game is important in it's own right. The teams that give all win more than they lose. That is something we haven't done for a long time. You're right Derry. A foreign team I know had three conditions for every new player: 1) Skill; 2) Pace; and 3)Attitude. You can possibly compromise on the first two if you have very strong reasons to, but you can't compromise with the last. It's what is the difference between the men and the 'alsorans'. For as long as they maintained that recruiting policy they kept winning the league. You can spot the inability to dig in when things are not going right already in boys football, and I can't come to think of any boy without spirit who has grown into a man with it. You can't train it, you get it with birth and upbringing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Just about the worst moment in my Saints supporting life was seeing the team's abject surrender to Bristol Rovers in the FA Cup. They minced around like a bunch of girls in a disco who didn't know where to put their handbags down and the same mentality is still running through the team. SFC has one of the poorest win ratios in the Football League. It's got to stop now and I hope, really hope, that Pardew is the man to make it happen. I feel sure that Herr Liebherr demands success from all his employees and that AP will make that clear to the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 You see I don't have a problem with the fact that our teams for the last XX years have not had a winning mentality (a fact I think SCW was addressing before he was dumped/jumped!) and that is what we need above anything else. What really, really irks me though is people who have the badges and the qualification coming on here telling people, who have been in the job for a fair while, that they don't know what they are doing and they are doing it all wrong. So, my question to you Mr Derry, and one you seem to have not answered before, when was the last time you managed a Premier League/Championship team and what was the result? "Those who can do. Those who can't teach." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 was it that close? I never did see it, (yeah I know, what a fan, I'll have to youtube it.) Would likely have made us extra-time favourites as well, cup dashed from the lips and all that, game already wone........aah, if only.... Arsenal were the better team. As expected. But to suggest we went out there too negative when we kept one of the best teams in the country at 1-0 and had our chances was good going. Beattie had that offside goal, ormerods chance and ashley coles clearance off the line in the last min Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 (edited) And it neEly paid off. We were litterly inches from pushing arsenal to extra time Yes so the tactics were right in my opinion although we lost narrowly and could have gone into extra with a bit of luck By the way lots of teams have come to St Mary's to spoil our attacks and then score late in the game to win. Sometimes it is foolhardy to attack as has happened in numerous military battles from Baslaclava to the Somme Edited 21 July, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Arsenal were the better team. As expected. But to suggest we went out there too negative when we kept one of the best teams in the country at 1-0 and had our chances was good going. Beattie had that offside goal, ormerods chance and ashley coles clearance off the line in the last min They ought to have been the better team with their resources, but it struck me that Strachans tactics must have been pretty shrewd if we came that close against what was, at that time, the runaway best side in the country. This thread was originally about a team flying in with all guns blazing and giving it everything, sometimes the sucker punch is a better option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 They ought to have been the better team with their resources, but it struck me that Strachans tactics must have been pretty shrewd if we came that close against what was, at that time, the runaway best side in the country. This thread was originally about a team flying in with all guns blazing and giving it everything, sometimes the sucker punch is a better option As long as they play 4-4-****ing-2 - Mike Bassett, England Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 They were infinitely flexible except they always had at least one player on each touchline. They were continually changing shape due to pass and move as it should be. Maybe we should try this "total football" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Maybe we should try this "total football" ? We can't even manage simple systems and work rate is a lost art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Yes so the tactics were right in my opinion although we lost narrowly and could have gone into extra with a bit of luck By the way lots of teams have come to St Mary's to spoil our attacks and then score late in the game to win. Sometimes it is foolhardy to attack as has happened in numerous military battles from Baslaclava to the Somme It's not the withdrawing and playing on the break I object to, it's sitting back and doing nothing else. Besides we didn't even defend with any conviction. Apart from two breaks down the right we hardly put anything together the whole game. It's not the result that gets to me it's the way we surrendered without a fight. I think the winds of change are blowing through the club and after last night I suspect more than a few are finished here in the longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 It's not the withdrawing and playing on the break I object to, it's sitting back and doing nothing else. Besides we didn't even defend with any conviction. Apart from two breaks down the right we hardly put anything together the whole game. It's not the result that gets to me it's the way we surrendered without a fight. I think the winds of change are blowing through the club and after last night I suspect more than a few are finished here in the longer term. no offence derry...i will trust WGS tactics more than yours.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerchampion Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I have supported Saints for 53 years and was an FA Coach. I don't need a prat who can't even spell, use capital letters in proper names, together with poor punctuation, lecture me on whether I can renew my season tickets. I'm optimistic now we have a new owner and manager, but I wouldn't expect you to grasp the main point regarding the lack of a winning mentality that the team and the previous management suffered from. It may or may not be of interest to you but there are ex saints players that agree with me. Mate you are one old fart , who needs to get a reality check . Your comments are very negative , i would suggest you take a happy pill , for you thats probably a paracetamol you must have one permanent headache with ballache as well . Ex saints players , when i next see Matt walking his dog ill ask him his thoughts and pass them on to you as he lives in the same road as me , seeing you think you know it all , im not the only one who thinks your comments are unjustified . Are you one of those old gits who sits in the ground constantly moaning , there are plenty of them around , i bet i sit next to you .Not this season maybe im moving because of the rubbish i have to listen to from old gits like yourself . I await your next thread with baited breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I await your next thread with baited breathHe means bated breath Derry ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Mate you are one old fart , who needs to get a reality check . Your comments are very negative , i would suggest you take a happy pill , for you thats probably a paracetamol you must have one permanent headache with ballache as well . Ex saints players , when i next see Matt walking his dog ill ask him his thoughts and pass them on to you as he lives in the same road as me , seeing you think you know it all , im not the only one who thinks your comments are unjustified . Are you one of those old gits who sits in the ground constantly moaning , there are plenty of them around , i bet i sit next to you .Not this season maybe im moving because of the rubbish i have to listen to from old gits like yourself . I await your next thread with baited breath It is not too much to expect that our team should at the very least be drilled competently and have instilled within them the confidence to go out and beleive they can win ! If I read it correctly, this is what Derry is alluding to and I for one wholly agree with him. Since the days of WGS - We have descended through mediocrity to an all time low level where we did ( at the end of last season) have no aspirations to reach even that level ! We have had a succession of managers who seemed totally devoid of inspiration and the ability to instill confidence and a positive attitude into our players - Until now that is ! I sense that Pards is such a manager where attitude, commitment and a positive attitude are important jigsaw pieces into his team ethic and that is all to the good! Derry is also right in saying that it does'nt matter whether they are friendlies or not, or how many substitutes we make during these games ! The desire to win must always be there, and certainly on Saturday against Ajax it was not! It was Dutch Masters versus Rabbits in headlights! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintdownunder Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 It never stops on here with the negative crap I find this constant moaning by a select few (eg players,manager,or what ever) a sad reflection about the club i love, just get behind the boys and enjoy the new dawn. COTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I don't think many are questioning the Winning mentality or lack of it. But there are better ways to put you opinion over than in the boorish, sellf aggrandising, arrogant, "I've got t-shirts from all sorts of places" that Derry adopts! And to constantly harp on about 4-4-2 being the only way doesn't help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerchampion Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I don't think many are questioning the Winning mentality or lack of it. But there are better ways to put you opinion over than in the boorish, sellf aggrandising, arrogant, "I've got t-shirts from all sorts of places" that Derry adopts! And to constantly harp on about 4-4-2 being the only way doesn't help! Well said Big Bad Bob ,i expect he will pick up on your spelling of sellf , but hey thats the mentality of the bloke along with his other cronies , to much negativity , maybe if he got behind the players with singing and clapping instead of sitting there moaning about individuals during a game we might have a more positive attitude around the ground . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 "Those who can do. Those who can't teach." Like Mourinho you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Well said Big Bad Bob ,i expect he will pick up on your spelling of sellf , but hey thats the mentality of the bloke along with his other cronies , to much negativity , maybe if he got behind the players with singing and clapping instead of sitting there moaning about individuals during a game we might have a more positive attitude around the ground . Prat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Mate you are one old fart , who needs to get a reality check . Your comments are very negative , i would suggest you take a happy pill , for you thats probably a paracetamol you must have one permanent headache with ballache as well . Ex saints players , when i next see Matt walking his dog ill ask him his thoughts and pass them on to you as he lives in the same road as me , seeing you think you know it all , im not the only one who thinks your comments are unjustified . Are you one of those old gits who sits in the ground constantly moaning , there are plenty of them around , i bet i sit next to you .Not this season maybe im moving because of the rubbish i have to listen to from old gits like yourself . I await your next thread with baited breath You seem to have a problem with older people, because that's the sole basis for your post - not any kind of counter opinion. It looks to me like you may have some "issues" to deal with. Hypocrisy is just one of them - or a really sh*tty memory: i agree , but we put better teams out v totton and eastleigh and look at the results , we need to build momentum for a winning mentality if we are going to get out of this league . Going through the motions is no good . Wasn't that derry's original point? And how did you get to be a "Pokerchampion" with a memory like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 It is not too much to expect that our team should at the very least be drilled competently and have instilled within them the confidence to go out and beleive they can win ! If I read it correctly, this is what Derry is alluding to and I for one wholly agree with him. Since the days of WGS - We have descended through mediocrity to an all time low level where we did ( at the end of last season) have no aspirations to reach even that level ! We have had a succession of managers who seemed totally devoid of inspiration and the ability to instill confidence and a positive attitude into our players - Until now that is ! I sense that Pards is such a manager where attitude, commitment and a positive attitude are important jigsaw pieces into his team ethic and that is all to the good! Derry is also right in saying that it does'nt matter whether they are friendlies or not, or how many substitutes we make during these games ! The desire to win must always be there, and certainly on Saturday against Ajax it was not! It was Dutch Masters versus Rabbits in headlights! Thanks, Foxstone for saving me the bother of saying this. I agree totally. Everybody realises that the match was a friendly, part of the schedule of returning players to match fitness, also a chance for the new manager to cast an eye over the players. As such, those players have an opportunity to make an impression and will not make a good one if they think that the game is a stroll in the park. But the opportunity was also there for Henderson to make an impression too and he failed. We decried those teams who came to St. Mary's the past few seasons, packed their defences and tried to steal a win on the break. I never thought that I would see us play like that on our own home ground, regardless of whether the opposition was of the quality of Ajax. If it had not been that a major part of the occasion was to welcome both our new owner and saviour and our new manager, if I were going just to see the football, I'd have felt cheated. Not because we lost, but because we were so negative. When you say that we have not shown that commitment and will to win since WGS departed, I know from other posts that you, like me, did see a glimmer of those characteristics from Nigel Pearson's team, albeit that he was only here a short while. I am greatly encouraged to hear from one of Pardew's first interviews, that he wants to instill the winning mentality into our players. Judging by the shower that we have currently, either he will have to jettison most of them and replace them with true professionals, or change their attitudes. I look forward to watching the changes taking effect over the coming next few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Last Saturday we surrendered and accepted defeat before the match even started. The press, the tv, a big crowd, the new manager and most importantly the new owner at his first match. What did we do, picked a side and formation that couldn't compete and tried to keep the score down. On that day something else was needed to fuel the optimism certainly not accepting defeat. Last night I watched a little Irish part time team take on Real Madrid including Ronaldo and give it a right go losing 1-0. Over the years I've watched little clubs every season turning over big clubs in the cups, they didn't do it by surrendering, they gave it their best shot. We don't seem to know how to give it our best shot, the smell of apathy and defeat is all over St Mary's. Alan Pardew sounds as though he comes from the right school with a we are going to win attitude. For thirty years under Ted and Lawrie every Saints side gave it their best shot win, lose, or draw that is what I demand from them from now on. As a supporter I've had enough of coming to St Mary's week in, week out and watching players and managers going through the motions. Last Saturday was a disgrace and should be seen as such, if it hadn't been for Kelvin Davis Ajax could have got 10 with a defensive formation FFS. The simple fact is Henderson bottled it, the team should have been set up 4-4-2 and given it a go. Any coach or player who doesn't grasp this should be cleared out now and I'm hope will be. I think Henderson and the team are still Wotte's team. Pardew will have learnt alot. You're right though, defeatism should be punishable by sackings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Funnily enough a mate of mine who is an ST holder at Charlton says that Pardew is one of the most negative managers he has ever seen. For instance if a game is as good as lost he'll substitute a striker for a midfielder to limit the damage, and he also claims that you could sometimes tell from the way players warmed up that they weren't going out to to win the game. Whether this is fair I can't say myself but it seems relevant to this thread. I guess we'll find out for ourselves soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Funnily enough a mate of mine who is an ST holder at Charlton says that Pardew is one of the most negative managers he has ever seen. For instance if a game is as good as lost he'll substitute a striker for a midfielder to limit the damage, and he also claims that you could sometimes tell from the way players warmed up that they weren't going out to to win the game. Whether this is fair I can't say myself but it seems relevant to this thread. I guess we'll find out for ourselves soon enough. Fair to say he lost the players at Charlton... but elsewhere? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 His record before going to Charlton is great, but he really f**ked it up there. It will be interesting to see which Pardew we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 His record before going to Charlton is great, but he really f**ked it up there. It will be interesting to see which Pardew we've got. Well, it seems to me that we've had a tendency to take managers with good records and provide them with their first real blemish OR take people with not-so-good records and give them their first real success. At least during the Rupert era, but I'm not going there! I'll settle for more of a disciplinarian (which I think Pardew is) because - surprise, surprise - we've always been better when lack of commitment isn't tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Pardew has bearly started, give them all a friggin break ffs. Rome wasn't built in a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Pardew has bearly started, give them all a friggin break ffs. Rome wasn't built in a day. CanadaSaint played in the same Saints team as Mick Channon and Bob McCarthy. His opinion is worth listening to. His favourite player: wasn't it Derek Norman? or is my memory playing tricks, I'm thinking of the day you broke your ribs.:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grammy Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Cant believe so many are panicking all ready. Pardew has only been here two days and knows full well what needs to be done. There is no way he would have accepted the job if he hadn't been assured that the finances are there to do the job. Just gotta be patient and see what unfolds, but its gonna be so much better than the ****e we've been sufferin for far too long Can't wait for the season to start, new players will arrive but it aint gonna happen overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 His favourite player: wasn't it Derek Norman? or is my memory playing tricks, I'm thinking of the day you broke your ribs.:confused: Bernie Pask, wasn't it? Yes, I can relate to your original post because I was committed* enough to break four ribs and crack another five in a friendly. * Most intelligent people view that level of commitment as stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2009 (edited) Bernie Pask, wasn't it? Yes, I can relate to your original post because I was committed* enough to break four ribs and crack another five in a friendly. * Most intelligent people view that level of commitment as stupidity. That was why we were successful, no cowards and no prisoners. I can still see it now. Now that you mention it, it was Bernie Pask but for some reason I remembered Derek Norman as the hatchet man. Like you said, a bloody friendly and you got an over the top boot in the ribs. It really hacked me off on Saturday when we just didn't take them on. Losing wasn't the problem it was the way we lost. Edited 22 July, 2009 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I think Henderson and the team are still Wotte's team. Pardew will have learnt alot. You're right though, defeatism should be punishable by sackings. So if Alan Pardew loses two games in a row he should be sacked. God some of our fans are a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2009 So if Alan Pardew loses two games in a row he should be sacked. God some of our fans are a joke. Losing after doing your best is livable with, defeatism is totally unacceptable. Alan Pardew will do his best and the team will have to do the same or they will be out. At the moment last years team have accepted they are unlikely to win, and last season if they weren't losing with 10 mins left usually bottled it and gave up late goals. How many times did that happen last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Losing after doing your best is livable with, defeatism is totally unacceptable. Alan Pardew will do his best and the team will have to do the same or they will be out. At the moment last years team have accepted they are unlikely to win, and last season if they weren't losing with 10 mins left usually bottled it and gave up late goals. How many times did that happen last season. How can anyone argue with this reasoning? Major surgery is required both physical and mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 The bottom line is that the squad is woefully short of stamina. They seem to have had barely any pre-season fitness training under Wotte and Henderson. So against Ajax a creditable first half became a second half shambles. No amount of passion and skills training is any good if their legs won't run. How can they build up fitness in the short time left before the Millwall game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 The bottom line is that the squad is woefully short of stamina. They seem to have had barely any pre-season fitness training under Wotte and Henderson. So against Ajax a creditable first half became a second half shambles. No amount of passion and skills training is any good if their legs won't run. How can they build up fitness in the short time left before the Millwall game? Spinach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Will they have the strength to lift the can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2009 How can anyone argue with this reasoning? Major surgery is required both physical and mental. Thanks Duncan, I'm amazed TeddyNutkins hasn't posted on this one. I would have thought it was right up his street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerchampion Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Prat ? pot calling the kettle black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nutkins Posted 24 July, 2009 Share Posted 24 July, 2009 Thanks Duncan, I'm amazed TeddyNutkins hasn't posted on this one. I would have thought it was right up his street. I would of Dave, but i don't like it when people start shouting at each other..........it makes me sad. FWIW i agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 24 July, 2009 Share Posted 24 July, 2009 (edited) Thanks, Foxstone for saving me the bother of saying this. I agree totally. Everybody realises that the match was a friendly, part of the schedule of returning players to match fitness, also a chance for the new manager to cast an eye over the players. As such, those players have an opportunity to make an impression and will not make a good one if they think that the game is a stroll in the park. But the opportunity was also there for Henderson to make an impression too and he failed. We decried those teams who came to St. Mary's the past few seasons, packed their defences and tried to steal a win on the break. I never thought that I would see us play like that on our own home ground, regardless of whether the opposition was of the quality of Ajax. If it had not been that a major part of the occasion was to welcome both our new owner and saviour and our new manager, if I were going just to see the football, I'd have felt cheated. Not because we lost, but because we were so negative. When you say that we have not shown that commitment and will to win since WGS departed, I know from other posts that you, like me, did see a glimmer of those characteristics from Nigel Pearson's team, albeit that he was only here a short while. I am greatly encouraged to hear from one of Pardew's first interviews, that he wants to instill the winning mentality into our players. Judging by the shower that we have currently, either he will have to jettison most of them and replace them with true professionals, or change their attitudes. I look forward to watching the changes taking effect over the coming next few months. Absolutely correct Wes ! Sadly it was ended all too prematurely by an absolutely crass piece of board leadership! But I do remain very hopeful that AP possesses all those qualities ( and perhaps more) that so endeared NP to a legion of Saints fans. Edited 24 July, 2009 by Foxstone Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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