eurosaint Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 David Armstrong will be having a rant about this I suspect.Lol I often wonder when you hear about all the free tickets being given out by staff, how doe the club ever expect to make any money if there are so many freebies.I assume it will be done like a consultancy basis, if an explayer is asked to give a talk in the lounges, they will be paid an agreed fee. I expect quite a few noses wil be put out of joint. I saw a fan the other day and said will you be going again this seaon, and he said yes as long as i still get my complimentaries! Is he a fan or not in your opinion?[/QUOTE] No, he is a freeloader or hanger-on, IMHO !!!!
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 Well, Ian Hunt and Ian Gordon were part of the old board that took part in the reverse takeover, so I won't be shedding any tears about them. I didn't even know that they had ambassadorial roles. No doubt that was a ploy by Lowe to keep them as toadies. Anyway, ML has made it quite clear that everybody from the directors down must pay for their own tickets, so no reason why these hangers-on should have any privileges or freebies. To be fair to Hunt and Gordon neither of them had a position under Lowe - they were against his return. Both men were part of the reverse takeover it is true but were minor players. Both men are fervent fans and have served the club well for many years. While I think it right for ML to cut out the complimentaries for those who did not contribute to the club in any way it would be nice to think that ex players are welcomed back - perhaps being given discounted tickets.
Gemmel Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 There ia possibility that he maybe there more times than you or me Care to expand? He was behind me in the queue to Lords on Saturday and didn't look like he would last the wait in................let alone take up a day job.
eurosaint Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 By charging everybody I think we'll soon see who the 'real' fans actually are ! Access to the director's box and some hospitality surely is a benefit already ?
VectisSaint Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 Paper version. So does the paper version actually mention Mortimore? I would be surprised, the article is about Directors under the Lowe and Wilde regimes, Mortimore was not a Director. Club President is an honorary position (usually) and nothing to do with the politics, after all John took over from Ted Bates. the role is usually given to an elder statesman of the Club, who is above all of the politics and commercial running of affairs. Has he been replaced as President? As for the others, I am more than happy that they are expected to pay for their tickets, perhaps they could introduce a range of pricing options for ex-Directors. Lowe and Wilde would have a pricing range of something like £100k per game, then they would be made most welcome We could throw in a free pie, pint and programme as a sweetener maybe.
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Posted 21 July, 2009 So does the paper version actually mention Mortimore? In the exact words: Mike Richards was a former PLC board supporter of Lowe, while Hunt & Gordon were also directors under Lowe. On top of that, Hunt & Gordon - who were vice presidents - and John Mortimore, above, formerly the club's president, have been relieved of their ambassadorial roles. The trio were written to by Saints' new regime to explain that the posts they held were not being maintained I would not make things up RE what's printed in the Echo, funnily enough people can easily check.
RonManager Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 We could throw in a free pie, pint and programme as a sweetener maybe. Great idea, I've got a good throwing arm!
VectisSaint Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 In the exact words: I would not make things up RE what's printed in the Echo, funnily enough people can easily check. Thanks MB, not so easy to check what the paper version of the Echo says here in Swindon Frankly quite shocked about the Mortimore bit.
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Posted 21 July, 2009 Thanks MB, not so easy to check what the paper version of the Echo says here in Swindon Frankly quite shocked about the Mortimore bit. Not a problem Maybe you should get it delivered via courier
Crab Lungs Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 Don't agree with the John Mortimore situation, but meh....
um pahars Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 In the exact words: I would not make things up RE what's printed in the Echo, funnily enough people can easily check. Thanks for that heads up MB. Have to say I'm not overly comfortable with dispatching Mortimore to pastures new, but could it be because he's making way for someone new???? MLT for President anyone?????
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Posted 21 July, 2009 Thanks for that heads up MB. Have to say I'm not overly comfortable with dispatching Mortimore to pastures new, but could it be because he's making way for someone new???? MLT for President anyone????? Last I heard MLT was to be offered an ambassador type role. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=14996
um pahars Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 Last I heard MLT was to be offered an ambassador type role. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=14996 So are the two linked?????? Interesting!!!!
Frank's cousin Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 FF mentions Ex players and in some respects i agree... I remember a few season back Peter Rodrigues used to come to games and sit near me in the Itchen - most fans did not even recognise him! Players from this era never earned the kind of money they do now and it would be nice to think we could show our appreciation now and then. Personally I think the answer lies with the new board recognising that players past and Ex directors are a part of the clubs history - We can arguiue all we like about who merits what and who does not, but I think its quite simpe really - no free tickets but invites to the Directors box during the season as guests as appropriate. We need to get away from our own judgemental approach as to who is more deserving and accept that the good the bad and the down right ugly have all played a part in our history and be grown up enough to move on?
up and away Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 Originally Posted by Wes Tender Well, Ian Hunt and Ian Gordon were part of the old board that took part in the reverse takeover, so I won't be shedding any tears about them. I didn't even know that they had ambassadorial roles. No doubt that was a ploy by Lowe to keep them as toadies. Anyway, ML has made it quite clear that everybody from the directors down must pay for their own tickets, so no reason why these hangers-on should have any privileges or freebies. To be fair to Hunt and Gordon neither of them had a position under Lowe - they were against his return. Both men were part of the reverse takeover it is true but were minor players. Both men are fervent fans and have served the club well for many years. While I think it right for ML to cut out the complimentaries for those who did not contribute to the club in any way it would be nice to think that ex players are welcomed back - perhaps being given discounted tickets. I think it's best to cut out the complementaries completely, although not totally practical. I would even make ex players pay with the exception of one, but certainly lavish the hospitality on them once they have paid to get in. If staff have to pay for their tickets, there is absolutely no free ride anymore. The real big issue I have had with complementaries is the hangers on and relatives that come attached. One complimentary turns out to be 2/3 when it gets to the door with some who have little interest in Saints. Even throwing a strop if having to wait to get the extra free ticket, be glad to see the back of them. There is a fresh new broom going through St Mary's and what Liebherr is doing is exactly what the doctor ordered. What has happened in the past is being left there and people can come and support the club irrespective of previous politics and pettiness. All of a sudden we are heading in a new direction leaving all the crap behind. I know it's early days as yet, but I have to keep pinching myself to be so lucky as to find someone like Liebherr.
Wes Tender Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 To be fair to Hunt and Gordon neither of them had a position under Lowe - they were against his return. Both men were part of the reverse takeover it is true but were minor players. Both men are fervent fans and have served the club well for many years. While I think it right for ML to cut out the complimentaries for those who did not contribute to the club in any way it would be nice to think that ex players are welcomed back - perhaps being given discounted tickets. You say that Hunt and Gordon were minor players, but the two of them could have voted against the reverse takeover and had some clout. Did they? I suspect that Mike Richards didn't vote against it, because he was clearly in Askham's pocket. Who appointed them as goodwill ambassadors and were they doing it for free? They might have served the club well for many years, but IMO that service turned into a disservice at the time of the reverse takeover. They both benefited on paper when the value of their shares soared at that time and I personally still see that fact as an incentive to go with the takeover by Secure Retirement, accepting it with undue haste when there were rumoured to be other offers ready to be made. Mortimer is a different case, but Gordon, Hunt, Wiseman, Richards, Askham in particular, can all go to hell.
SNOWY Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 But they must pay for a ticket - in todays Echo. John Mortimore, Ian Hunt and Ian Gordon have been stripped of their ambassadorial roles. Paving the way for Lawrie to become Club President & Leon Vice President?
OldNick Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 I think it's best to cut out the complementaries completely, although not totally practical. I would even make ex players pay with the exception of one, but certainly lavish the hospitality on them once they have paid to get in. If staff have to pay for their tickets, there is absolutely no free ride anymore. The real big issue I have had with complementaries is the hangers on and relatives that come attached. One complimentary turns out to be 2/3 when it gets to the door with some who have little interest in Saints. Even throwing a strop if having to wait to get the extra free ticket, be glad to see the back of them. There is a fresh new broom going through St Mary's and what Liebherr is doing is exactly what the doctor ordered. What has happened in the past is being left there and people can come and support the club irrespective of previous politics and pettiness. All of a sudden we are heading in a new direction leaving all the crap behind. I know it's early days as yet, but I have to keep pinching myself to be so lucky as to find someone like Liebherr. I agree and Mr Lebherr has the luxury of the fans not questioning his decisions. Not that RL or ML has any similarity in investing etc but if RL had done this move there would be outrage. I myself am very happy, I have put in much time into the club but never received a complimentary of any kind in 40 years of support.I should thin that ex players should feel the privilage they had of being a hero and still gert adulation, to then expect the fans to subsidise them still is not on.As for the directors who ALL have played their part in ruining the club without exception, they deserve nothing IMO
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Posted 21 July, 2009 Paving the way for Lawrie to become Club President & Leon Vice President? Ooo, never thought of that, could be a good thing?
SNOWY Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 Ooo, never thought of that, could be a good thing? I know it would split opinions on this site but I think it might be good for the club. Lawrie is still quite high profile in football circles and has always handled the media very well. I think Leon could be a good link to the local business community. MLT would be most peoples favourite for such arole but would he really want to hinder his media career for what will basicaly b a "meet & greet" role.
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Posted 21 July, 2009 I know it would split opinions on this site but I think it might be good for the club. Lawrie is still quite high profile in football circles and has always handled the media very well. I think Leon could be a good link to the local business community. MLT would be most peoples favourite for such arole but would he really want to hinder his media career for what will basicaly b a "meet & greet" role. Depends if the people he meets and greets are fit women with big eyes.
saintstr1 Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 Whilst I have great respect For John Mortimore and all he did for SFC under the SLH banner it is now a whole different ball game. Markus Leibherr has put HIS money up and bought SFC, Therefor it is entirely his perogative to say if he wants "If you want to come to SMS and watch MY team then please pay for your seat as I have to" Dont see a problem with that, He obviously does not want any honary positions at HIS club or any other freeloaders ........... Works for me , Well done Markus.
Badger Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 John Mortimore is a gentleman and a footballing legend. Go to Benfica and ask anyone. In this new era I hope we can acknowledge his service to the club. Totally agree.Mortimore should not be subject to the same measures as former directors. In principle though,I think ML is correct on this in limiting the number of freeloaders.
mcjwills Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 Totally agree.Mortimore should not be subject to the same measures as former directors. In principle though,I think ML is correct on this in limiting the number of freeloaders. How much did Mortimore earn whilst at the club and he can not afford £350.00 for a serason ticket to sit in the directors box, because if he does not want a seat there for £350.00 I'll swap my seat in The Kingsland for his seat and I'll gladly carry on paying the £350.00 Markus is paying and expects all his officers to pay so why should everyone who has been paid bloody well in the past get away scot free.
Block 5 Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 Should MLT have to pay for a ticket if he wants to watch?
L1Minus10 Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 I suspect that this is a policy that is in place at all of Liebherr's companies whereby no one gets a discount or a freebie. I doubt it's anything to do with SFC as a rule though it's being spun that way by the Echo.
mcjwills Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 Should MLT have to pay for a ticket if he wants to watch? Should I have to pay for a ticket I've been loyal to the club for 40 odd years?
Delmary Posted 21 July, 2009 Posted 21 July, 2009 Whilst I have great respect For John Mortimore and all he did for SFC under the SLH banner it is now a whole different ball game. Markus Leibherr has put HIS money up and bought SFC, Therefor it is entirely his perogative to say if he wants "If you want to come to SMS and watch MY team then please pay for your seat as I have to" Dont see a problem with that, He obviously does not want any honary positions at HIS club or any other freeloaders ........... Works for me , Well done Markus.Agree. The club's in Div 1 and everyone needs to be paying their way. Any money saved or made will help finance the team. Good news all round.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 I must say I enjoyed that picture in the Echo. Mr Liebherr sitting there with a big beaming smile and some decidedly uncomfortable and dare I say glum individuals sitting behind him. Mr Liebherr has got his decisions spot on so far but this is his best yet and draws a line under all those who IMO had varying degrees of culpability to the downfall and near extinction of this club. make 'em pay and charge them 'first class' prices for the privilege. Many have said that as soon as Mr Liebherr signed on the dotted line this club was reborn and we start on day one. Not so much AD/BC more AL (after Liebherr) and BA (Before Administration) Anybody rooted in BA, time to pay up, anyone who delivers in AL then reap your rewards and learn from the mistakes of 3ba and the people that time forgot or distorted to suit their own agendas. Happy days
Nineteen Canteen Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 I suspect that this is a policy that is in place at all of Liebherr's companies whereby no one gets a discount or a freebie. I doubt it's anything to do with SFC as a rule though it's being spun that way by the Echo. IMO I think Mr Liebherr is treating them all like the naughty little boys they have been and showing them the error of their ways.
Block 5 Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Should I have to pay for a ticket I've been loyal to the club for 40 odd years? So you're saying MLT should be paying for a ticket. Fair enough. But you can tell him!
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Mortimore is a top bloke... his wife used to teach me PE at junior school...
derry Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Mortimore is a top bloke... his wife used to teach me PE at junior school... I played golf today with mate who is friendly with JM. Apparently he is devastated at losing the honour of the Presidency.
derry Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 So you're saying MLT should be paying for a ticket. Fair enough. But you can tell him! I wouldn't think they would be too bothered, after his connection with Pinnacle which caused them problems and delayed their takeover by a month at least.
HILL HEAD SAINT Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 i hope one ex director in particular is not welcome(duck off Lowe)!
captainchris Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 I net john mortimore a couple of times, hes a footballing legend and a perfect gentlemen, so no its not 'good'. It doesnt make sense. He was doing a job for free so why get rid? If RL booted out John Mortimer there would have been uproar but because it's not him it's ok ???????? No It's not actually!!!!
SaintRobbie Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 So you're saying MLT should be paying for a ticket. Fair enough. But you can tell him! Noone who has worn the shirt should have to pay for a ticket IMHO.
Thedelldays Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Noone who has worn the shirt should have to pay for a ticket IMHO. delgado..? kenwyn jones..?
dune Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 i hope one ex director in particular is not welcome(duck off Lowe)! Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde aren't welcome. Rupert Lowe may well be connected in the county set fraternity but Mr Liebherr is in a different league socially. If and when Rupert Lowe shows his face there will undoubtedly be a reaction from fans which won't escape our new owner. I expect Mr Liebherr is already well aware of the feeling towards Rupert Lowe and he will want all memory of the man cleansing from the club. Positivity and optimism is the order of te day because this breeds success. Having Lowe at games is harking back to days we'd all rather forget. From Mr Liebherrs point of view it'd be bad karma to have Lowe's face in the crowd. The last thing SFC need is negative chants when Lowe is spotted - Mr Liebherr will want positivity and for that reason he'll not want Lowe showing his face.
musesaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 But they must pay for a ticket - in todays Echo. John Mortimore, Ian Hunt and Ian Gordon have been stripped of their ambassadorial roles. If the new owner and his staff are paying for their tickets ..so surely should everyone This is the new Saints at year zero Time to move on ...and up
jam Posted 22 July, 2009 Posted 22 July, 2009 Noone who has worn the shirt should have to pay for a ticket IMHO. delgado..? kenwyn jones..? Ali Dia? Rupert Lowe?
Channon's Sideburns Posted 23 July, 2009 Posted 23 July, 2009 Askham should not be allowed back in SMS in any capacity. In my eyes he was always the brains behind Lowe and his crazy methods..
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