CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I reckon many on here are living in the past - this players best days are clearly behind him now , neither do I buy this 'good enough for L1' rubbish I keep hearing on here - football's never easy at any professional level and we can only use players who have something left to offer . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 we are going to need a right nad left midfielder to play the 4-4-2 formation and at the moment we only appear to have holding midfielders to play in the centre. Pardew is going to need to address this poor squad balance. I think it is probably only right midfield we need someone, we can play Gillet/Schneiderlin as the holding midfielder, and i would like to see Lallana in front as the creater. holmes on the left when not injured, maybe with Gobern as back-up. Then we need a RM with pace and good crossing ability, a young stevo some might say..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I'm sure he will do well for us if he is fit and if he stays. The second "if" is the big question - I can't see him staying (same goes for Saga who has already stated that he wants off). For the record I thought he looked ok against Ajax, won plenty in the air but really didn't get a great deal of service in the 45 minutes he was on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I think Rasiak is a decent player and will still score goals, but you need to play to his strengths. He's not really a target man and he doesn't have much pace. But if you put someone along side him to do some running and stretch the defence a bit, he will convert chances. Play-off season he had Surman putting in balls from the right and Skacel from the left and he was doing well. I was at the game on Saturday and that was arguably the most defensive team I have ever seen saints put out. Three holding players in the middle, a left back on the left wing and Lallana stuck out wide. No way was Rasiak going to have a chance with that kind of formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Rasiak started well and got to virtually the only cross and decent pass he had all game. Its easy sat in the stands watching but when you are up against 4 defenders virtually on your own and no-one within 20 yards of you then you would get as dismayed as he was! Out of Gillet, James, Mills, Wotton and Lallana who actually gave him a decent pass? There was one occasion he called for the ball on his chest from a throw in...Molyneux pinged it 5 yards over his head to their defender! How can he chase the ball down from their goalkeeper to the defender when he is covering the whole backline? Yes at times his control was abysmal saturday but its not easy controlling the ball and trying to pick out someone who is hiding in front of the defence. Gillet tried to get forward but kept running up blind avenues. Until we get decent, skilful wingers who can supply our forwards with decent chances we will not see the best of Rasiak. We need someone alongside him and perhaps Stern as well that can get the otherside of defences and give us options. At the moment we have loads of uncreative midfielders and very slow,lethargic forwards with no supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I think Rasiak is a decent player and will still score goals, but you need to play to his strengths. He's not really a target man and he doesn't have much pace. I agree about the pace, but strongly disagree that he's not a target man. He's got the same build as Beattie so should be a very effective target who holds the ball up. It's up to Alan Pardew to get the best out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 He's got the same build as Beattie. Seems much slighter than Beattie to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 To be appreciated rasiak needs to score in every game simply because he does fook all else for 90 mind and this is percieved as lazy,lethargic whatever you want to call it. He doesn't hold the ball up,he rarely brings other players in to play,for a big bloke he's not great in the air and he never tracks back. There are other strikers that can be forgiven their lack of goals because they do all of the above,rasiak on the other hand does know where the net is but that's it. Tbh outside of football he comes across as an arrogant miserable sod so perhaps he is not popular because of his attitude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Rasiak wants to go, this is clear. In all the pre-seasons he has looked terrible! Especially in the Bournemouth pre-season. He was given the ball away everytime and had one shot which was a pathetic attempt. For someone his height, you'd think he could win headers? But he can't. He always jumps too early and always has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Rasiak wants to go, this is clear. In all the pre-seasons he has looked terrible! Especially in the Bournemouth pre-season. He was given the ball away everytime and had one shot which was a pathetic attempt. For someone his height, you'd think he could win headers? But he can't. He always jumps too early and always has done. Well if he wants away he should play better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 He didn't play any different on Saturday than he's always played. There are a lot of things he can't do, including trapping the ball or holding it up. It is also right that he scores goals, but only if he is playing off somebody else, like John, not Saga who also isn't a target man, and is getting plenty of service into the box. If that is how Pardew intend to play, then it's fine, but in any other constellation it's a bit like playing with ten men, and I believe he likes playing with lone strikers. Rasiak is not suddenly going to change his character. Pardew will probably already have decided what to do with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 According to Mr Pilchards he was awful in training this orning and didn't look bothered - hardly a positive start infront of your new boss whereas Stern was apparently ' well up for it' Shame as I rate him as a goal scorer and if he could get is ass in gear could murder this league - somrthing is definitely 'up' with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Totally with delldays on this one. Anyone who thinks Rasiak isn't good enough for this league is f**king stupid!! Same goes for Saga tbf... don't think seen single post saying he isn't good enough for this division, :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 If he is picked regularly and playing in a team which gives good service, he'll get us 20-25 goals this season, could be the difference between getting in the play-offs and missing out. I remember when he scored plenty in our play-off season that he regularly scored away from home where he got a bit more space. If we can get some pace on the wings and increase the speed at which we attack, he'll invariably get more space in home games as well. He is the best finisher we have. However, the wages are a definite issue. he has never been scoring for fun, averages about 10 a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 don't think seen single post saying he isn't good enough for this division, :confused: He must be f**king stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 rasiak lives in barton on sea or new milton or some where pretty local..he used to take his kid to lymington rec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 It would be rather silly to suggest that some senior players who have played successfully in higher divisions and also represented their countrys are not good enough for this division. But all players, especially the older ones, must be played to their strengths. Rasiaks strength has never been as a target man. He is tall which probably confuses people to think he could be, but that is all. Given plenty of service he will score goals, although not quite as proficient as some are led to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I can't believe the criticism of Rasiak - the guy is a proven goal scorer in the Coke (let alone this league) who the other clubs would love to have. If we play a Rasiak\John combo up front they will score a shed load of goals and give us a decent chance of playoffs IMO. If any 1 of the 3 established strikers has to go it's Saga for me - he only seems to play to his full potential (which is very good) when he's looking for a contract (though I'd rather he stayed). At the moment the strikers (plus KD) are the one area of this team that looks really good - assuming we can keep these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I can't believe the criticism of Rasiak - the guy is a proven goal scorer in the Coke (let alone this league) who the other clubs would love to have. If we play a Rasiak\John combo up front they will score a shed load of goals and give us a decent chance of playoffs IMO. If any 1 of the 3 established strikers has to go it's Saga for me - he only seems to play to his full potential (which is very good) when he's looking for a contract (though I'd rather he stayed). At the moment the strikers (plus KD) are the one area of this team that looks really good - assuming we can keep these guys. Completely agree. Rasiak may appear lazy, but there are loads of strikers like that - just look at Berbatov. If a striker is scoring goals then they're doing what they paid to do. end of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 we are going to need a right nad left midfielder to play the 4-4-2 formation and at the moment we only appear to have holding midfielders to play in the centre. Pardew is going to need to address this poor squad balance. Agreed, our lack of wingers will really hinder us. Need to get two maybe three in if we're going to play 4-4-2. Thompson isn't ready yet, Holmes can't be relied on at all, Gobern is still young and better in the centre and while McLaggon looks good he's very young and injured. I think we're ok in the centre, not ideal that we don't have an attacking midfielder like Surman who can chip in with 5-10 goals a season but with Gillett, James, Gobern, Schneiderlin and Lallana there we're covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I can't believe the criticism of Rasiak - the guy is a proven goal scorer in the Coke (let alone this league) who the other clubs would love to have. Really ? We've been asking for c £700k for him apparently and there has been zero interest from anybody as far as I can tell , including Watford who know his current level of ability better than anyone and had a option to buy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Really ? We've been asking for c £700k for him apparently and there has been zero interest from anybody as far as I can tell , including Watford who know his current level of ability better than anyone and had a option to buy . i bet if you offered him for free to league 1 clubs...every single club would be interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 It's not the transfer fee putting people off it's the massive wages. Watford want him back but can't afford to pay him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Completely agree. Rasiak may appear lazy, but there are loads of strikers like that - just look at Berbatov. If a striker is scoring goals then they're doing what they paid to do. end of But he hasn't been prolific since 2006. If he wants to stay then he needs to come out & show the right attitude to Pardew, but the reports of todays training session do not sound promising.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 i bet if you offered him for free to league 1 clubs...every single club would be interested British football has no shortage of strikers who can score you 6 or 8 goals a season - the lack of interest in this player accurately reflects his standing in the game . Anyone who had the misfortune to witness his utter failure to have any impact on AFC Bournemouth's plodding L2 defence two weeks ago will confirm we're not looking at some underrated footballing gem here - far from it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 July, 2009 British football has no shortage of strikers who can score you 6 or 8 goals a season - the lack of interest in this player accurately reflects his standing in the game . Anyone who had the misfortune to witness his utter failure to have any impact on AFC Bournemouth's plodding L2 defence two weeks ago will confirm we're not looking at some underrated footballing gem here - far from it . you reckon if he stayed and played say..35 times he would score 6-8 goals this season...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I can't believe the criticism of Rasiak - the guy is a proven goal scorer in the Coke (let alone this league) who the other clubs would love to have. If we play a Rasiak\John combo up front they will score a shed load of goals and give us a decent chance of playoffs IMO. If any 1 of the 3 established strikers has to go it's Saga for me - he only seems to play to his full potential (which is very good) when he's looking for a contract (though I'd rather he stayed). At the moment the strikers (plus KD) are the one area of this team that looks really good - assuming we can keep these guys. I agree with this. Just look around at the mickey mouse clubs in League 1. They'd love a player like Rasiak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 i know all of the saints fans have a soft spot for rasiak he was a freakin star in 2006 and i wish hed just stay here and do it all again and show he likes the club.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 you reckon if he stayed and played say..35 times he would score 6-8 goals this season...? Impossible to prove one way or the other but quite likely I reckon - that's what he did at Watford last season . Judge him on the player he is now not what he was back in 2006 , I'd rather we had kept DMG given the choice and I didn't particularly rate him either . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 If he is picked regularly and playing in a team which gives good service, he'll get us 20-25 goals this season, could be the difference between getting in the play-offs and missing out. I remember when he scored plenty in our play-off season that he regularly scored away from home where he got a bit more space. If we can get some pace on the wings and increase the speed at which we attack, he'll invariably get more space in home games as well. He is the best finisher we have. However, the wages are a definite issue. Last year, yes. But now, no debts and a billionaire owner. If (big if) Rasiak does the business, wages shouldn't be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 you reckon if he stayed and played say..35 times he would score 6-8 goals this season...? all competitions, he has the capability to score. 04/05 17 goals in 42 games 05/06 9 goals in 35 06/07 21 goals in 47 games 07/08 8 goals in 37 games 08/09 10 goals in 25 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 July, 2009 all competitions, he has the capability to score. 04/05 17 goals in 42 games 05/06 9 goals in 35 06/07 21 goals in 47 games 07/08 8 goals in 37 games 08/09 10 goals in 25 games so...you reckon on a 35 game season (i know it is alot more than that) rasiak would only score 6 - 8 goals too..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 so...you reckon on a 35 game season (i know it is alot more than that) rasiak would only score 6 - 8 goals too..? he is capable of scoring 25 goals this season if we have a decent side. If he is up for it and plays much better than he did on Saturday. If he isn't up for it, or for some reason can't find form then I would rather a fresh face. I trust Pardew to sort it one way or the other. He hasn't been a consistently high scorer, and is now at the age he needs to show us a good return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 July, 2009 to be fair...you have valid points.. but we need goals simple as that..he has the potential easily to score 25+ goals a season in this league..as does john and sagga... great situation to be in really...so many, if not all the other clubs in league 1 would dream of having forward options like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny R Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 That - I don't believe. I feel like he's been trying to get away from us for ages. No way. Didn't want to go to Watford, only went to Bolton to try and play in the Euro's and he was out of favour here, he till turned up at the last game of the year to support Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 rasiak lives in barton on sea or new milton or some where pretty local..he used to take his kid to lymington rec Milford...the old Hordle House School development I think...his wife got done for speeding recently..Leon used to have a place there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 would average at least 1in3 in L1 IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 given what we know, what do you reckon Pardew's ideal formation will be, or will he choose his formation to go with what players he has available?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 we are going to need a right nad left midfielder to play the 4-4-2 formation and at the moment we only appear to have holding midfielders to play in the centre. Pardew is going to need to address this poor squad balance. Speak for yourself !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Was good for Watford in the CCC last year, he'll be damn good for us in L1 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eharty9 Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Hardly wetting myself at this 'scoring for fun' myth. Pre-season - Rasiak.............Played: 5 Scored: 0 how can you say that when he has played no more than 45 mins each game ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Really ? We've been asking for c £700k for him apparently and there has been zero interest from anybody as far as I can tell , including Watford who know his current level of ability better than anyone and had a option to buy . simply because they would have to match his wages, which are astronomical for the CCC never mind League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Was good for Watford in the CCC last year' date=' he'll be damn good for us in L1 next year.[/quote'] this will pass people by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 simply because they would have to match his wages, which are astronomical for the CCC never mind League 1. This. All the fans would like him there though, but they can't hope to meet his demands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyhale Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Rasiak is getting alittle bit lazy. but you dont kno if the manager has said to him take it easyy because you might injure urself before the season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callysaint76 Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 If my Gran stood in the penalty box for the entire 90 mins then im sure she could have a goal ratio of 1 in 3. At times like this the most important thing is to be a team and Rasiak is not a team player. We can't afford to be playing with effectively only 10 men, a decent, hard-working strike partnership would score far more goals than a lazy, greedy Rasiak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 We could do a lot worse than play Raziak and John up front with Saganowski wide right (where he has played well for Poland). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2009 If my Gran stood in the penalty box for the entire 90 mins then im sure she could have a goal ratio of 1 in 3. At times like this the most important thing is to be a team and Rasiak is not a team player. We can't afford to be playing with effectively only 10 men, a decent, hard-working strike partnership would score far more goals than a lazy, greedy Rasiak. this is clearly bollix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callysaint76 Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I can't believe the criticism of Rasiak - the guy is a proven goal scorer in the Coke (let alone this league) who the other clubs would love to have. If we play a Rasiak\John combo up front they will score a shed load of goals and give us a decent chance of playoffs IMO. If any 1 of the 3 established strikers has to go it's Saga for me - he only seems to play to his full potential (which is very good) when he's looking for a contract (though I'd rather he stayed). At the moment the strikers (plus KD) are the one area of this team that looks really good - assuming we can keep these guys. Completely disagree, none of those players provide any pace, Johns the only one with strength and Rasiaks the only one with any height. Much rather a big man little man partnership like Leicester had last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Completely disagree, none of those players provide any pace, Johns the only one with strength and Rasiaks the only one with any height. Much rather a big man little man partnership like Leicester had last season. Saga is quite quick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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