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St Will

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Hey you hypocritical piece of s h 1 t, how many times do I need to point you to your original post on this thread for you to acknowledge that what you wrote was exactly of the nature of what you're accusing me of?!?! No, you won't acknowledge it, because you know it puts a dampener on your argument. Just in case you've forgotten:

 

There are some bloody stupid comments on here. How can Woods be the greatest sportsman of all time? Total balderash. It's more of a game than a sport anyway. S

 

Here it is again, just in case it still hasn't registered:

 

There are some bloody stupid comments on here. How can Woods be the greatest sportsman of all time? Total balderash. It's more of a game than a sport anyway. S

 

Oh, and once more:

 

There are some bloody stupid comments on here. How can Woods be the greatest sportsman of all time? Total balderash. It's more of a game than a sport anyway. S
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HYPOCRITE.

 

Funny, I was listening to Radio 5 on the way back from the Hearts game yesterday, and they were talking about Usain Bolt and how if he continues his form into 2012 and 2016 he'll be as great as a Woods or a Federer. Claiming they are at the top of the tree in regards to dominant sportsmen. Funny, they never mentioned your boyfriend Richard Fox. Why's that? It was Kelly Sotherton, an Olympic athlete, who came out with that point. Surely an Olympian would have said Bolt would be up with Richard Fox, cuz he's the greatest sportsman who's ever lived, right?!

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saintwarwick

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Hey you hypocritical piece of s h 1 t, how many times do I need to point you to your original post on this thread for you to acknowledge that what you wrote was exactly of the nature of what you're accusing me of?!?! No, you won't acknowledge it, because you know it puts a dampener on your argument. Just in case you've forgotten:

 

 

 

Here it is again, just in case it still hasn't registered:

 

 

 

Oh, and once more:

 

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HYPOCRITE.

 

Funny, I was listening to Radio 5 on the way back from the Hearts game yesterday, and they were talking about Usain Bolt and how if he continues his form into 2012 and 2016 he'll be as great as a Woods or a Federer. Claiming they are at the top of the tree in regards to dominant sportsmen. Funny, they never mentioned your boyfriend Richard Fox. Why's that? It was Kelly Sotherton, an Olympic athlete, who came out with that point. Surely an Olympian would have said Bolt would be up with Richard Fox, cuz he's the greatest sportsman who's ever lived, right?!

 

I should point out that Kayaking is a minority sport that is why Richard Fox isn't mentioned, those of us that know anything about any sport will know these athletes do exist and understand the levels of fitness they require to fulfill their ambitions just like Woods in golf. Perhaps you should watch these other sports to understand them before passing judgment.

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I should point out that Kayaking is a minority sport that is why Richard Fox isn't mentioned, those of us that know anything about any sport will know these athletes do exist and understand the levels of fitness they require to fulfill their ambitions just like Woods in golf. Perhaps you should watch these other sports to understand them before passing judgment.

 

I watch a whole spectrum of other sports. I have participated in alsorts of different sports. And I have a lot of friends who are professional sportsmen and women. I don't mention Woods because I'm a golfer and he's a golfer. My opinion is shared my millions of people. Kayakers mention Richard Fox because they're kayakers. Their opinion is biased. Mine is not. If Federer goes on and wins another 5 grand slams and Tiger doesn't win another one, I will say Federer was the most dominant. My opinion has nothing to do with the fact he's a golfer. My opinion is based on facts - statistics, records, wins. End of.

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I watch a whole spectrum of other sports. I have participated in alsorts of different sports. And I have a lot of friends who are professional sportsmen and women. I don't mention Woods because I'm a golfer and he's a golfer. My opinion is shared my millions of people. Kayakers mention Richard Fox because they're kayakers. Their opinion is biased. Mine is not. If Federer goes on and wins another 5 grand slams and Tiger doesn't win another one, I will say Federer was the most dominant. My opinion has nothing to do with the fact he's a golfer. My opinion is based on facts - statistics, records, wins. End of.

 

I have tried kayaking and rowing and they are very physical and demanding sports. I have and do play golf and it is certainly a lot easier than kayaking and rowing and that is fact. There are a lot more golfers in sport than kayakers hence your opinions shared by millions but as I pointed out kayaking is a minority sport, perhaps you should try it before passing judgment. If your opinion was based on facts, statistics, records, wins etc then surely Jack Nicklaus would be top of the pile end of.

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And surely, if you bothered to look at Fox's record, you would have an inkiling of a suspicion of his dominance.

 

I cited him not because I am a kayaker. I did so because I consider him to have been a true great. You can't simply say that i said a kayaker because I once dd the sport, and that you said golfer, despite playing golf, objectively. You reckon you went on statistics and so on, but no - you went on only those you know, and put them into a context of sweeping, stupid generalisations. You're a total, total thick c*nt. I would still say to you that there are thousands of people attempting to do various forms of kayaking 'seriously', and that number can't be dwarfed by those who go beyond 'hobbyist' golfers. You just speak sh*t. Your opinion on Woods might be shared by millions, but if those millions were aware of all the sporting achievments in history, perhaps then they might be considered objective. You claim to be intelligent in various places, or at least imply it by calling others stupid, yet you entirely ignore reality. Why you place so much stock on popularity or money is beyond me. These are cultural manifestations, not a sound basis to judge sport. If I did kayaking, and was in the top 0.1% in the Britain, then the odds are I would have been that had the number been higher as well. if Fox dominated a sport more widely patronised than you understand, and trained and worked at least as hard as the top golfers to get there - how exactly can you claim to KNOW Woods is better? You know nothing. you simply speculate based on your own ridiculous ideas. Penis.

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Paavo Nurmi, the Flying Finn. Competed in 12 events over 3 Olympics 1920-28, 9 golds and 3 silvers. Was then banned from competing in 1932 as he was considered a "professional" , the main instigators of this being Sweden who claimed he received "too much in travelling expenses" for just one meeting in Germany.

Considered by many to be the greatest Track & Field athlete of all time.

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St Will

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Wow Robsk, you're really throwing your teddies out the cot aren't you!! Bless ya. For a retired sportsman, you must be what, in your 30's, 40's, 50's or even older? You should be embarrassed!

 

Oh and hang on, is that ANOTHER post where you failed to acknowledge your ridiculous original post that caused this argument?! Just for you, little boy, I'll post it again so you can have a read back. Here you are......

 

There are some bloody stupid comments on here. How can Woods be the greatest sportsman of all time? Total balderash. It's more of a game than a sport anyway.

 

But it's me who lacks intelligence right? Hahaha, idiot.

 

I would still say to you that there are thousands of people attempting to do various forms of kayaking 'seriously', and that number can't be dwarfed by those who go beyond 'hobbyist' golfers.

 

Please, please tell me this is a joke? You're just trying to make a few people laugh aren't you?! If you ARE serious, then there's a member at my home golf club who is a top clinical psychologist. I'll ask him for his office number, and I can pass you on his information, and you should go see him. Because there is definitely some delusion and denial going on. There are 32,000 golf courses in the world, and 61.1 million people play golf worldwide. 300,000 approximately of these play professionally. And there are approximately 3 million that play golf worldwide to a high standard at the amateur level, whether that be playing amateur tournaments regionally, nationally and internationally, or golf in a team environment at university, nationally or internationally, or in their region. Are you trying to tell me anything close to 300,000 people kayak professionally?! Or there are millions of amateur kayakers who compete in tournaments?! You're having a ****ing laugh!!

 

You're losing the tiny bit of credibility you had to begin with now. And I'm bored of reading the nonsense that you're writing. I'm guessing you're not very well educated and not very intelligent, and I feel a bit embarrassed for you to be honest. So I'm not going to let you bother me anymore. If I laugh any louder at the rubbish you're spouting, I'll strain an intercostal muscle or something. So I'm not going to respond any further to this thread. I'm at peace with my opinion - my opinion is shared by millions (Joe Public as well as the sports media) for a reason. And that's good enough for me.

 

This discussion is over.

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chrisobee

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Kayaking and climbing rocks are not sports.

 

Golf is, very much so

 

Kayaking is very much a sport, not sure how it can be classified otherwise unless you are going to discount pretty much all motor sports for example and even rowing if you really want to get involved in semantics. In terms of Fox's event the Slalom he won 5 world titles and is rightly considered the world’s greatest of all-time in that event. Unfortunately his event was not on the Olympic calendar at the time he was at his peak but the Olympics are not the be all and end all of sport especially in the current era when you have the likes of professional tennis players competing.

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Wow Robsk, you're really throwing your teddies out the cot aren't you!! Bless ya. For a retired sportsman, you must be what, in your 30's, 40's, 50's or even older? You should be embarrassed!

 

Oh and hang on, is that ANOTHER post where you failed to acknowledge your ridiculous original post that caused this argument?! Just for you, little boy, I'll post it again so you can have a read back. Here you are......

 

 

 

But it's me who lacks intelligence right? Hahaha, idiot.

 

 

 

Please, please tell me this is a joke? You're just trying to make a few people laugh aren't you?! If you ARE serious, then there's a member at my home golf club who is a top clinical psychologist. I'll ask him for his office number, and I can pass you on his information, and you should go see him. Because there is definitely some delusion and denial going on. There are 32,000 golf courses in the world, and 61.1 million people play golf worldwide. 300,000 approximately of these play professionally. And there are approximately 3 million that play golf worldwide to a high standard at the amateur level, whether that be playing amateur tournaments regionally, nationally and internationally, or golf in a team environment at university, nationally or internationally, or in their region. Are you trying to tell me anything close to 300,000 people kayak professionally?! Or there are millions of amateur kayakers who compete in tournaments?! You're having a ****ing laugh!!

 

You're losing the tiny bit of credibility you had to begin with now. And I'm bored of reading the nonsense that you're writing. I'm guessing you're not very well educated and not very intelligent, and I feel a bit embarrassed for you to be honest. So I'm not going to let you bother me anymore. If I laugh any louder at the rubbish you're spouting, I'll strain an intercostal muscle or something. So I'm not going to respond any further to this thread. I'm at peace with my opinion - my opinion is shared by millions (Joe Public as well as the sports media) for a reason. And that's good enough for me.

 

This discussion is over.

 

I guess the feeling is mutual, as for the discussion being over that is only because you don't like real facts thrown at you.

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Robsk II

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I might strain an intercostal muscle, fnah fnah fnah! For some reason, I think I'm incredibly inteliigent! fnah fnah fnah! Just because I named a specific muscle! Mercy me! And I apparently have met people playing golf with other jobs, like a psychologist! Wowsers in my trousers! Oh Tiger, I've got wood, oh fnah fnah fnah, funny me.

 

In most cases, those who consider themselves 'pro golfers' are in fact only pro in that they instruct. And this being the case, yes, I'd bet there are easily 300,000 people in the world who make some sort of living via instructing etc. It is a tiny majority that play truly professionally. You're a proper moron.

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My only real point in the first place was that it's impossible to nail it down to Woods alone or Federer, or whatever. This was for conversation, not "He is it, end of discussion" idiocy. There can be no objective and final answer, that was the basis for my rubbishing these 'definitely the case' claims. Your opinion, particularly, Willy, was extremely biased, and asserted with no consideration for the (vast) gaps in your knowledge outside of golf.

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I think there have been f*ckloads of truly excellent sportspeople, and the reality is that there is no way to objectively measure the difficulty of each achievement. OK, you can talk about participation numbers, popularity, conditions, facilities, personal trials - but actually, each person is remarkable. There are as diverse reasons for their success as there are for the failure of others, and we simply can't know or even guess at half of them. Personal life, social, economic, even political factors - the picture is too complex to draw any conclusions from the murk - only, it seems, some mud, to sling. I wouldn't hope to pick one, and I think it is naive to try.

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I don't think there's any doubt that Tiger is a great sportsman and that golf reqs a huge degree of skill and determination. That said, all this tosh about doing an "obscene" amount of work in the gym! If he does he's wasting his time. Of course you have to have reasonable amount of fitness to play golf but you hit it and then take a leisurely stroll to get the ball. The you do it again not forgetting the excursions of putting of course.

I could handle the physical side of golf NOW without any training, I'm just no good at hitting the ball.

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I don't think there's any doubt that Tiger is a great sportsman and that golf reqs a huge degree of skill and determination. That said, all this tosh about doing an "obscene" amount of work in the gym! If he does he's wasting his time. Of course you have to have reasonable amount of fitness to play golf but you hit it and then take a leisurely stroll to get the ball. The you do it again not forgetting the excursions of putting of course.

I could handle the physical side of golf NOW without any training, I'm just no good at hitting the ball.

 

Of course you can handle the physical side of it, for the standard you play. But when you want to hit the ball well over 300 yards, you need the strength and power to swing at the speed required and the strength to be able to control the club. A lot of it is injury prevention too. And the biggest reason, he says, is that when he's walking down the last hole of a tournament, he's as fresh as a daisy, and everyone else is knackered. Because of that, he can handle his nerves better. That's why he wins so many tournaments right at the death. He's certainly not "wasting his time". I suggest you read his website - he explains it all a lot better than I do.

 

http://web.tigerwoods.com/fitness/healthAndFitness

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I won't read that thanks all the same. I'll say this though, he should spend less time pumping iron and more time trying to hit the fairway. I did watch the Open.

 

Why? In case you feel silly about what you said?! :confused:

 

He practices harder than anyone, he trains harder than any golfer. He does everything that bit more than anyone. The reason he was missing fairways wasn't down to lack of practice or too much time in the gym. It was because his coach has been giving him bad advice on his technique for a while now. Hence why there are rumours that he's been fired. If he wasn't as strong as he was, he'd have missed the cut by 12, because he wouldn't have been able to hit it out of the rough as well as he did! If Watson had had to chop it out of the hay the amount of times he did, he would have shot +20!!

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Why? In case you feel silly about what you said?! :confused:

 

He practices harder than anyone, he trains harder than any golfer. He does everything that bit more than anyone. The reason he was missing fairways wasn't down to lack of practice or too much time in the gym. It was because his coach has been giving him bad advice on his technique for a while now. Hence why there are rumours that he's been fired. If he wasn't as strong as he was, he'd have missed the cut by 12, because he wouldn't have been able to hit it out of the rough as well as he did! If Watson had had to chop it out of the hay the amount of times he did, he would have shot +20!!

 

No, incase I fall asleep.

 

Does make you wonder what the greatest golfer the world has ever seen needs to be taught about his technique. Was it not good enough before? He should have kept the technique he had when he was winning everything.

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No, incase I fall asleep.

 

Does make you wonder what the greatest golfer the world has ever seen needs to be taught about his technique. Was it not good enough before? He should have kept the technique he had when he was winning everything.

 

Well that's something that has been discussed. Yes, every golfer needs a coach. Because you need another pair of eyes to keep an eye on your technique while you're hitting shots. And another person can have a more objective view on your technique than yourself. Regarding him changing his technique.....a lot of people have said he shouldn't have changed, but he's always striving to be better. Even when he was completely dominant, in 2000/2001, he fought a hook and a block off the tee. So I guess he tried to fix that.

 

I think that's what makes great sportsmen great. They are never satisfied - they always want to improve. Bolt has a coach. So does Federer. There are very few who don't have a coach and/or a trainer.

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I would call it snapping, rather than biting....but I'm glad between the two of us, we've entertained you somewhat :D

 

:D He really fell for it! Nice one, mate. You nearly had me believing you too - right up until that bit about him being the fittest of all sportsmen! Lol! Brilliant work, mate! How stupid do you feel, Robsk?

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:D He really fell for it! Nice one, mate. You nearly had me believing you too - right up until that bit about him being the fittest of all sportsmen! Lol! Brilliant work, mate! How stupid do you feel, Robsk?

 

But Tiger is fitter than anyone EVER:rolleyes:

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If I can get this thread back on topic for a moment, I used to play snooker at junior level to a very high standard but unfortunately early-onset carpal tunnel syndrome meant I couldn't continue.

 

However, I did used to play on the circuit with many players who made it and I got on quite well with Steve Davis at the time. After I had given up playing competitively I used to go and watch Steve train and I can categorically state that he worked harder than any athlete to become the best at his sport. The level of fitness required to spend hours in dark and often smokey environments surpasses that of any sport I have seen played before or since. I am in no doubt that Steve, at his peak, was the fittest sportsman on the planet. And that doesn't even address the mental concentration required to play the sport.

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