merrimd Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 What strikes me is how the hell can we have a squad of professional footballers who DO NOT KNOW WHICH WAY TO HEAD THE BALL!!!! My under 13s can do that already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 What strikes me is how the hell can we have a squad of professional footballers who DO NOT KNOW WHICH WAY TO HEAD THE BALL!!!! My under 13s can do that already! It's not just about heading it away from the goal, it's about actual placement. A good player should be able to choose where to head it. You don't want to just head away from the goal if that means heading it to an opponent, setting up a nice volley opportunity. You need to head it to a teammate or into space where you can at least compete for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Just seen a small ginger haired tanned man walk around the outside with a marks and spencers bag under his arm as he looks to be returning something to the kitman, He don't look happy. Surely that's an Oxymoron - Ginger haired and tanned - it just doesn't happen! LOL Cheers for the updates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Excellent updates from Pilchards - thanks. Nice to hear that AP means business and I am not surprised in the slightest to hear that the squad is immature tactically. It was blatantly obvious all through last season and this pre-season that this was an area that the Dutch experiment failed miserably with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Excellent updates from Pilchards - thanks. Nice to hear that AP means business and I am not surprised in the slightest to hear that the squad is immature tactically. It was blatantly obvious all through last season and this pre-season that this was an area that the Dutch experiment failed miserably with. Oddly that is the area I believed it would work strongest..... Oh well, live and learn. Sounds a very promising start though from Pards. Hope the lads get the hang of it post haste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Just seen a small ginger haired tanned man walk around the outside What's Wes Brown doing there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
There when Franny scored Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 The bloke you have decribed must be the fitness coach - Nick Harvey. He is about 5'9 and bald. Be very interesting to see what calibre of player he is able to attract, and how quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 The bloke you have decribed must be the fitness coach - Nick Harvey. He is about 5'9 and bald. Be very interesting to see what calibre of player he is able to attract, and how quickly Pre Pardew..............wonder if he will bring in his own man?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I thought we had a professional set up with fitness coaches, fat ratio assessment, bleep tests etc. so why are they so unfit? PS Thanks Pilchards Cobwebs on SCW's computers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 It's not Dillon that's for sure unless he looks different from the photos. IMHO Henderson is off as he did nothing once Pardew rook over. Doing shooting drills now thank god. He has got the players learning hand clap codes which is bizarre!! scchhhhh ... don't tell the enemy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leithsaint Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I would actually pay good money for constant updates from pilchards. Good man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 The bloke you have decribed must be the fitness coach - Nick Harvey. He is about 5'9 and bald. Be very interesting to see what calibre of player he is able to attract, and how quickly Here's a piccy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 (edited) The bloke you have decribed must be the fitness coach - Nick Harvey. He is about 5'9 and bald. Be very interesting to see what calibre of player he is able to attract, and how quickly thats the man so you are right there. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1691375,00.html Training went on until past 1 and i had to leave then. I have seen Burley, Strachan, Hoddle and now Pardew on there first training sessions at staplewood and Pardew really does look the boss. Stopped everything and spoke about everything. the best part that i enjoyed was almost something from the matrix... he rolled the ball into an attacking flank and asked the players to get into position within ten seconds as someone would eventually reach the ball. Once they got there he blew up his whistle and then looked at everyone to see if they had the brains to know where they had to be. He was not happy at all as the players lack knowledge. I honestly mean this when i say they are lost on the pitch. Pardew made it clear what he wants and he was always making his point every 15 seconds for over a period of 90 minutes. The lame header bit was funny as Pulis let it fluff off his head so Pardew threw his whistle to the ground and held his hands on knees for at least 10 seconds while shaking his head at the same time. He shouted why? what was that? before he showed them how to do press ups to the whole back four. He added two high energy green bib players every now and again to spice us up, i presume this is the extra option of defenders supporting the attack, Was Gillet and James at first as they had the freedom to get the ball to the flanks but nothing was allowed to go over head height. He also did some other stuff discussed in the centre circle, this a tactic he will employ on the touchline as the players will do something? (editted as this could harm our tactics) Also another code was hands on his knees or someone else will which does something? So deep in tactics i say and i reckon this team had better sort it out otherwise they are dropped end of. It was hard to say who was impressive today as it was all stop, start. I must add that Stern John had some nice flicks and plenty of smiles and hand gestures like Beattie would do years ago as the Mr funny man. Pardew lacked a 2nd man today as Henderson stood on the half way line watching for 90 minutes as Pardew took the lot, I think he needed another coach to talk to some players on a one to one while Pardew was making his point to the whole team. We really do have a great boss and Im chuffed he got straight down to the tactics and the know how of football, These things take time and im sure our boys will respond to it quickly too. He is without doubt a Strachan type but much more vocal and slightly more angry at times. COYR for the new season as I cant wait for Pardew to get a grip on them all and take us to where we belong. Edited 20 July, 2009 by Pilchards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Sorting the wheat from the chaff I would hope. Working out what positions require the new talent. Let me save him some work. We need a ball winning centre back. JPS mould. We need a box to box central midfielder. We need both left and right wide men. Pace and dribbling skills preferable, decent engines and bottle essential. Up front we need some pace. Add to this I'd like to see someone with some set piece ability coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Let me save him some work. We need a ball winning centre back. JPS mould. We need a box to box central midfielder. We need both left and right wide men. Pace and dribbling skills preferable, decent engines and bottle essential. Up front we need some pace. Add to this I'd like to see someone with some set piece ability coming in. Exactly 100% word for word what I have been saying all pre-season and far more evident after Saturday. Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Cheers Pilchards ! Sounds as though we have ( courtesy of Markus) recruited a potential "good'un" ! Loved hearing about the discipline he is instilling - long overdue (IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Oh give over I'm the untouchable! Hello Kelvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Hello Kelvin Talking of Kelvin he was not there that i could see anyway. It was Bart and Forecast doing the keeper drills. Maybe KD was on the other pitch getting better training from our keeper coach. To be honest forecast sat on the advertising hoarding for 50 minutes while Bart who was in goal touched it once in that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrimd Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 It's not just about heading it away from the goal, it's about actual placement. A good player should be able to choose where to head it. You don't want to just head away from the goal if that means heading it to an opponent, setting up a nice volley opportunity. You need to head it to a teammate or into space where you can at least compete for it. You know that, i know that, you would have thought the pros would know that. That was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 You know that, i know that, you would have thought the pros would know that. That was my point. Yeah, but learning it was Pulis puts it in to perspective! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 a few will be going home with tears in their eyes today someone shouting at them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 At last, what he is doing is great. Our players knowledge and positional play is abysmal, they have a complete lack of awareness and it is brilliant that he is picking up on this. It is important he rattles them early on and imposes his standards on them. I'm looking forward to Saturday now to see if there is a measureable difference and whether our width, effort, and delivery have been improved. I would like to see what formation he settles on, however it is more important to use the width of the pitch and play at a high tempo with determination and confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Many thanks for the report Pilchards, looks like at long last we may have someone to install some discipline into this team. I bet today was quite a shock for them, it would appear they've had it very easy for the past year, if not longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 At last, what he is doing is great. Our players knowledge and positional play is abysmal, they have a complete lack of awareness and it is brilliant that he is picking up on this. It is important he rattles them early on and imposes his standards on them. I'm looking forward to Saturday now to see if there is a measureable difference and whether our width, effort, and delivery have been improved. I would like to see what formation he settles on, however it is more important to use the width of the pitch and play at a high tempo with determination and confidence. agreed but i suspect he is discovering that we do not have the players to do it. it also puts a big question mark over what the Academy has been producing, technical players who cannot play in a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 (edited) What strikes me is how the hell can we have a squad of professional footballers who DO NOT KNOW WHICH WAY TO HEAD THE BALL!!!! My under 13s can do that already! Any excuse for this really (quite possibly the greatest goal ever scored by any team EVER), but check out the two brilliant headers from KK, both powerful yet cushioned and placed perfectly: Not forgetting Cassels little cushioned header down to Bally either. Nice. Edited 20 July, 2009 by Polaroid Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 At last, what he is doing is great. Our players knowledge and positional play is abysmal, they have a complete lack of awareness and it is brilliant that he is picking up on this. It is important he rattles them early on and imposes his standards on them. I'm looking forward to Saturday now to see if there is a measureable difference and whether our width, effort, and delivery have been improved. I would like to see what formation he settles on, however it is more important to use the width of the pitch and play at a high tempo with determination and confidence. Thats the word I have been looking for awareness The team last season lacked awareness completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 agreed but i suspect he is discovering that we do not have the players to do it. it also puts a big question mark over what the Academy has been producing, technical players who cannot play in a game? I have been absolutely appalled at the level of knowledge put into practice by the coaches/managers for the last three years. We have been an underachieving team mainly down to a lack of proper tactics and poor direction and motivation. FFS which successful team at any level doesn't use all the width available. After 10 years in the academy not to be able to deliver a dead ball cross is scandalous. Lallana failed to pass the first defender again on Saturday and this happened all last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I'm expecting casualties amongst the coaching staff, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a complete clear out from the academy upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 From the moment that JP & BWP were quoted saying that our pre-season was "about ball-work" I was worried, even from 3,500 miles away FFS. Now a proper manager comes in to take training and whoosh.... Now I know that "spectators" weren't supposed to be at Staplewood giving reports, but Pilchards has probably done more in one afternoon to restore some properly placed hope and enthusiams in us fans than 10 years of corporsate press releases. I bet the players AND staff had a shock (and I expect so did AP). See what happens when you either 1) know what you are doing or 2) don't have an alleged hangover when you take training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 agreed but i suspect he is discovering that we do not have the players to do it. it also puts a big question mark over what the Academy has been producing, technical players who cannot play in a game? The academy has produced good players surely Bale Walcott McGoldrick Cranie Mills James Surman Poke Howard Davies Baird Blackstock prove that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Loved the info Pilchards. Same time tomorrow then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Surely they would welcome this approach from AP , it may appear for to long now that they have lacked direction, attitude and proper management which in turn has reduced morale. I think what players enjoy is working with a manager who knows what sucess is and how to achieve that, plus that no F== king about is going to tollerated... some thing i belive that went to pot under JP and now AP is picking up the crap left behind, club comes first attitude I expect installed as of today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Is 3 weeks gonna be enough though. I know after I came back from Bobby Charltons football school I was always noticibly better, but this shower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 From the moment that JP & BWP were quoted saying that our pre-season was "about ball-work" I was worried, even from 3,500 miles away FFS. As worried as I was. We all knew the Championship was a rigourous, gruesome, war of attrition and yet we had two novices to the English game playing one touch and keppy uppies. OK, so I may have over exagerrated for dramatic effect, but our approach last season was all to cck right from the start. Sounds as though we may be starting in the right manner right from the off this season!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Is 3 weeks gonna be enough though. I know after I came back from Bobby Charltons football school I was always noticibly better, but this shower? Excuse me sir, you seem to have dropped a name. I'll pick it up for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Loved the info Pilchards. Same time tomorrow then? No chance as Pardew gun forces will be hunting me down! Seriously they need to get on with it now and in secret too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 What's all this hate for Rasiak? Easily one of our best players on Sat and the team would be loads better with him in than without. Thought he actually worked pretty hard on Sat and played the lone striker well role, it was those around him which werent up to much. What are you drinking ???? ........ .... ( please order me one ):cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 No chance as Pardew gun forces will be hunting me down! Seriously they need to get on with it now and in secret too. You could don some kind of cunning disguise, like a plastic nose and moustache or some such apparel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 No chance as Pardew gun forces will be hunting me down! Seriously they need to get on with it now and in secret too. And here was me thinking you were the caretaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 And here was me thinking you were the caretaker. Well, some do call him Hong Kong Phooey due to his other activities;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 What is wrong with our deluded coaches is summed up in the following assessment of Paul Wotton's game on Saturday. "Paul Wotton had a very good first half, both defensively and his simple use of the ball. He did what I asked him to and played his position very well" With coaches like him we don't need opponents. Wotton on Saturday was awful. Most of his 'simple' passes went to the opposition time after time, his marking was non existent, he consistently gave free kicks away, he disrupted his own midfield and got in the way of the centre backs attacking the ball. If he never played for us again it would be too soon. If this is the man running the academy no wonder the players are now struggling. The mere fact Lallana/McGoldrick don't cleanly strike the ball is a massive indictment in itself. It wouldn't surprise me to see him and the other coaches dispensed with as their contracts run out or even earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Thats the word I have been looking for awareness The team last season lacked awareness completely Murty had loads of 'awareness' on Saturday. No coincidence that Pardew was his boss once upon a time one would venture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Murty had loads of 'awareness' on Saturday. No coincidence that Pardew was his boss once upon a time one would venture Murty had his supa heavy coat on to sweat it out me thinks. Anyway he was the one starting all the half way line drills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I'm expecting casualties amongst the coaching staff, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a complete clear out from the academy upwards. I have been wondering the same. Even SH may not be safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 That was a privaliged insight into a session and I thank you very much for it Mr Pilchards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 From the moment that JP & BWP were quoted saying that our pre-season was "about ball-work" I was worried, even from 3,500 miles away FFS. We start our season's training with a 2 hour evening session every day for two weeks of 'preparazione atletica', and that's Italian womens' regional 3rd division... I do like what I'm now hearing, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 At last, what he is doing is great. Our players knowledge and positional play is abysmal, they have a complete lack of awareness and it is brilliant that he is picking up on this. It is important he rattles them early on and imposes his standards on them. I'm looking forward to Saturday now to see if there is a measureable difference and whether our width, effort, and delivery have been improved. I would like to see what formation he settles on, however it is more important to use the width of the pitch and play at a high tempo with determination and confidence. I fear it may get worse first - stopping doing what they were doing but not sure of the new way etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Nice works, Pilchards. I am much encouraged by your reports. The players need a few rockets up their backsides and I think they may have just got the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I would just having them running until they puked. Quick drink. Then running again until they puked again. Quick drink. Then repeat.I think they are used to that on weds, thursday nights out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 What is wrong with our deluded coaches is summed up in the following assessment of Paul Wotton's game on Saturday. "Paul Wotton had a very good first half, both defensively and his simple use of the ball. He did what I asked him to and played his position very well" With coaches like him we don't need opponents. Wotton on Saturday was awful. Most of his 'simple' passes went to the opposition time after time, his marking was non existent, he consistently gave free kicks away, he disrupted his own midfield and got in the way of the centre backs attacking the ball. If he never played for us again it would be too soon. I agree - what game was henderson watching?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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