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yes..and i got banned for the sheer baiting many of you (you were quite bad yourself) dished out to those few of us who did not rate him

 

one thing this board does well..is alienate those with a differing opinion..

 

 

the latest example was I was called skate **** (by PM) and many called me, and I quote.. "An utter disgrace" for daring to question the pinnacle bid....you get my drift

I can give as good as i get and never hold it.We are football fans on a forum. You a Skate Lol, a right bright spark must have sent that.

I have just remembered why you were banned, perhaps rightly so now thinking about it.It is history forgrt it, that is why iam not devbating the RL thing, it wont change peoples opinions, RL was not the only one at fault and so move on.

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Excellent post and for me backs up with some facts that which I have felt all along. Wilde supported by Crouch was the start of the club's downfall. Relegation from the Premiership remains an increasingly occupational hazard for club's of our size.

So..... all of our problems are down to Wilde and Crouch, but the original relegation from the Prem was just an "occupational hazard". I see it all so clearly now. Thank God that Rupert had no involement.:rolleyes:

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I can give as good as i get and never hold it.We are football fans on a forum. You a Skate Lol, a right bright spark must have sent that.

I have just remembered why you were banned, perhaps rightly so now thinking about it.It is history forgrt it, that is why iam not devbating the RL thing, it wont change peoples opinions, RL was not the only one at fault and so move on.

either way

 

 

just goes to show that on so many occasions, this place is brillaint at alienating a different opinion....

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either way

 

 

just goes to show that on so many occasions, this place is brillaint at alienating a different opinion....

 

Well, only up to a point, Lord Copper. Personal attacks are certainly wrong, and it's uncomfortable reading. Daren's and Um's references to 19's mental health issues (whatever they might be) is not playing fair. I also recall Sundance Beast's vicious personal attacks on both Daren and Wes Tender - or, to be more precise, attacks on their families. And for 19C to pretend that he's not SB is untruthful, clearly.

 

However, this really would be a dull place if we didn't argue our positions in a vigorous way. I find this thread, for example, illuminating, in the sense that it's flushed out the thinness of the attacks on McMenemy.

 

We can, and should, have the most head-crashing rows - but there's no need to resort to ad hominem attacks

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... And for 19C to pretend that he's not SB is untruthful, clearly.

 

Wouldn't it just be easier for the mods to put this one to bed and confirm or deny either way.

 

Then we can all get on with our lives!

 

And Duncan, The Guardian?? Tree hugging springs to mind ;)

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Well, only up to a point, Lord Copper. Personal attacks are certainly wrong, and it's uncomfortable reading. Daren's and Um's references to 19's mental health issues (whatever they might be) is not playing fair. I also recall Sundance Beast's vicious personal attacks on both Daren and Wes Tender - or, to be more precise, attacks on their families. And for 19C to pretend that he's not SB is untruthful, clearly.

 

However, this really would be a dull place if we didn't argue our positions in a vigorous way. I find this thread, for example, illuminating, in the sense that it's flushed out the thinness of the attacks on McMenemy.

 

We can, and should, have the most head-crashing rows - but there's no need to resort to ad hominem attacks

I agree with this post.Seriously though, I am not sure whether the exchanges on here are helping "19's mental health issues (whatever they might be)" or making them worse.

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Daren you love to make stuff up and if you think I tried to paint you as someone twisted and slightly demented you are wrong and that is your own twist on what was said at the time. I just supported the club in it's decision because if it did it for one it would set a precedent for all and be inundated with requests. Rightly or wrongly I thought you were abusing your position at the time and whilst understanding your anger didn't agree with your views.

 

That was Sundance Beast wasn't it? Not Nineteen Canteen? 19C only joined the forum in January and it was longer ago than that.

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However, this really would be a dull place if we didn't argue our positions in a vigorous way.

 

Agree and posters like 19C in the main add to debates, shouts for him to be banned, exposed etc... are, imo, wrong, where would you stop with the banning, troll ? give it a word, some seem to focus on his posts and pick the bones out of them when, if another poster, would maybe state 'we will agree to disagree', as on the field if you ask for someone to be penalised you yourself should be penalised, I say let the mods do they're jobs they will pull a poster when THEY feel necessary.

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I agree with this post.Seriously though, I am not sure whether the exchanges on here are helping "19's mental health issues (whatever they might be)" or making them worse.

 

Hes not someone you would want to meet on a dark night :)

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Can I just ask what's wrong with reading the Guardian?

:)

 

I must admit I was surprised to hear it had excellent football coverage (tip off on this site)and the other day somewhat furtively I did sneak a look at it in the newsagent. The sports pages were quite good but still had to tuck it into my regular copy of Fiesta before taking it up to the counter.

 

Don't know why I bothered as there were loads of people openly buying the Daily Mail without any hint of embarrasment most of them old women and female pensioners.

 

TBH - there is not a newspaper that satisfies everything you want from a paper and only one that disastifies on everything except for the middle class ladies and those who like the sound of the BNP because their policies do not affect them. The Daily Mail reader IMO believe that a loud monologue is an end to a debate. Wes, Daren, MOG and a few others.

 

Off to sew some brown leather patches on my moleskin jacket before my next geography class.

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I must admit I was surprised to hear it had excellent football coverage (tip off on this site)and the other day somewhat furtively I did sneak a look at it in the newsagent. The sports pages were quite good but still had to tuck it into my regular copy of Fiesta before taking it up to the counter.

 

Don't know why I bothered as there were loads of people openly buying the Daily Mail without any hint of embarrasment most of them old women and female pensioners.

 

TBH - there is not a newspaper that satisfies everything you want from a paper and only one that disastifies on everything except for the middle class ladies and those who like the sound of the BNP because their policies do not affect them. The Daily Mail reader IMO believe that a loud monologue is an end to a debate. Wes, Daren, MOG and a few others.

 

Off to sew some brown leather patches on my moleskin jacket before my next geography class.

the Daily Mail would be my preference before most papers.The Sun Notw for a bit of scandal, the Telegraph or Times for more serious reading...the Guardian, well if you are reliant on being employed by the government yes. Not for me though
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Ok, I will try to explain all ;)

 

1) Neither Lowe or Wilde are King Harold. Lowe is clearly King William the B@stard (later the Conkerer) Wilde aka King Ethelred the Unready had already departed to hell or Fratton Park as it is now known !

2) No one has ever been sure what happened to the Sundance Beast, rumours that he teamed up with a cowboy were untrue, it was an urban legend.

3) The Duke of Wellington did indeed exchange much correspondence with General Blucher as Britain formed a coalition with Prussia though it was the arrival of General Bulow and his army that proved a major turning point though the much heralded British Bulldog spirit was much in evidence. It is not clear at what point Marcus Liebherr arrived on the scene but it is believed his forces arrived just in the nick of time after the mighty Pinnacle army decided to withdraw claiming, falsely it is believed, that they could not agree to fight as they felt the contract they needed to sign was illegal. Thus they rode away into the sunset and later were sent away as tax exiles.

 

 

Thanks I understand now.

 

Presumably George III who was king at the time and was as nutty as a fruitcake spent most of his time posting on the pre internet version of The Saints Web??

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the Daily Mail would be my preference before most papers.The Sun Notw for a bit of scandal, the Telegraph or Times for more serious reading...the Guardian, well if you are reliant on being employed by the government yes. Not for me though

 

Well at least it's not the Express and you obviously have a feminine side ;)

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the Daily Mail would be my preference before most papers.The Sun Notw for a bit of scandal, the Telegraph or Times for more serious reading...the Guardian, well if you are reliant on being employed by the government yes. Not for me though

 

Are YOU mental ?

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19C would get on well with him since they were/are both head mentalists.

 

OK, you and others have no idea about my personal life and have no grasp whatsoever of the varying forms of mental health issues that go from alcoholism, anorexia through to self harming and schizophrenia and whole gamut of other issues covered under the umbrella of mild through to serious clinical depression.

 

Remember I was forced to reveal aspects of my life in defence of comments made against me that was given to someone I trusted and given in strict confidence. I wish that confidence hadn't been betrayed but in any event if it had it should not have led to this level of ridicule and speculation and had I a serious physical illness or handicap I doubt the abuse would be quite so fervent or amusing as many see it. Furthermore, as TDD mentioned if I was a poster with perhaps more populist beliefs and less challenging of the old guard then no doubt the whole thing wouldn't have come out in the first place.

 

So we get into the realms of suggesting I am insane with some of the references you and others are now using I suggest you ensure you are on solid ground as making what appears to be statements of fact could be considered libellous, defamatory or slander. I appreciate the laws on message boards are unproven and maybe akin to a conversation in the pub or the receipient of the abuse 'asked for it' by joining a closed circle but in this instance some of this stuff is clearly being discussed outside of this forum and regardless of that fact it is becoming increasingly damaging. Anyway the law maybe unclear but I do know one quite well networked legal exec who wouldn't mind looking into this type of issue. Especially when statements are written with definity such as yours and you clearly have no idea about me and set out purely to discredit and destroy because you don't like my point of view.

 

I enjoy the banter but some of this is going to another level entirely.

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Rupert Lowe: Our report, Southampton down to their nails as more anguish looms (27 April, page 9, Sport) wrongly suggested that the Football Association was conducting an investigation into where a reported £40m had gone missing when Mr Lowe was chairman of Southampton FC. In fact there was no missing money nor any FA investigation. We apologise unreservedly to Mr Lowe for this error.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2009/jul/18/rupert-lowe-corrections-clarifications

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/27/southampton-burnley-championship-relegation

 

lol... Lowe and his sour grapes. Dont worry Rupert regardless of this we know you walked away from this club with millions you never deserved... your salary.

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lol... Lowe and his sour grapes. Dont worry Rupert regardless of this we know you walked away from this club with millions you never deserved... your salary.

apart from helping to get sms, cup final and european football..

 

the rest he can shove but lets not re write history

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Remember I was forced to reveal aspects of my life in defence of comments made against me that was given to someone I trusted and given in strict confidence. .

 

Missed that 19, been away for ages.... were you certified insane before the rest of us made that assessment then? ;)

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apart from helping to get sms, cup final and european football..

 

the rest he can shove but lets not re write history

 

European footy came from the cup final and the cup final came from a miracle worker called WGS. SMS? I think many many many others also deserve credit, the real heroes were actually the Council.

 

Lowe deserves nothing TDDs, he very very nearly killed this club.

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European footy came from the cup final and the cup final came from a miracle worker called WGS. SMS? I think many many many others also deserve credit, the real heroes were actually the Council.

 

Lowe deserves nothing TDDs, he very very nearly killed this club.

who hired WGS..when not many what so ever wanted him on here

 

easy to blame lowe for everything..same goes when somethig goes right on his shift...otherwise it makes you look like a blinkered **** im afraid

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who hired WGS..when not many what so ever wanted him on here

 

easy to blame lowe for everything..same goes when somethig goes right on his shift...otherwise it makes you look like a blinkered **** im afraid

 

Who hired every crap manager we had and who lost the good ones? Nothing went right on his shift - draw a graph of league positions and look at the start and finish. As the man said himself 'its a results driven business'. Even the myth of his business and financial acumen was humiliatingly blown away in the end by his Barclays Bank removal.

 

Blinkered? Nah... I just look at the bigger picture.

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Who hired every crap manager we had and who lost the good ones? Nothing went right on his shift - draw a graph of league positions and look at the start and finish. As the man said himself 'its a results driven business'.

 

Blinkered? Nah... I just look at the bigger picture.

I know saint robbie...im glad he has gne

 

but to sit there and say he never got a few things right is utterly utterly pathetic really and shows that many are stupidly bitter and twisted...

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I must admit I was surprised to hear it had excellent football coverage (tip off on this site)and the other day somewhat furtively I did sneak a look at it in the newsagent. The sports pages were quite good but still had to tuck it into my regular copy of Fiesta before taking it up to the counter.

 

Don't know why I bothered as there were loads of people openly buying the Daily Mail without any hint of embarrasment most of them old women and female pensioners.

 

TBH - there is not a newspaper that satisfies everything you want from a paper and only one that disastifies on everything except for the middle class ladies and those who like the sound of the BNP because their policies do not affect them. The Daily Mail reader IMO believe that a loud monologue is an end to a debate. Wes, Daren, MOG and a few others.

 

Off to sew some brown leather patches on my moleskin jacket before my next geography class.

 

Strange as it might seem, I was about to post a defense of your post and agree that it was unfair that you had all these cheap jibes about you on a health issue.

 

Then I saw that you had mentioned me by name in the post above and decided to change my mind. You obviously see no irony in people making a judgement call on you without knowing you and you making the same leap of imagination as to what newspapers other people may or may not read based on their opinions on an internet forum. As they say, Judge not, lest ye be judged.

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OK, you and others have no idea about my personal life and have no grasp whatsoever of the varying forms of mental health issues that go from alcoholism, anorexia through to self harming and schizophrenia and whole gamut of other issues covered under the umbrella of mild through to serious clinical depression.

 

Remember I was forced to reveal aspects of my life in defence of comments made against me that was given to someone I trusted and given in strict confidence. I wish that confidence hadn't been betrayed but in any event if it had it should not have led to this level of ridicule and speculation and had I a serious physical illness or handicap I doubt the abuse would be quite so fervent or amusing as many see it. Furthermore, as TDD mentioned if I was a poster with perhaps more populist beliefs and less challenging of the old guard then no doubt the whole thing wouldn't have come out in the first place.

 

So we get into the realms of suggesting I am insane with some of the references you and others are now using I suggest you ensure you are on solid ground as making what appears to be statements of fact could be considered libellous, defamatory or slander. I appreciate the laws on message boards are unproven and maybe akin to a conversation in the pub or the receipient of the abuse 'asked for it' by joining a closed circle but in this instance some of this stuff is clearly being discussed outside of this forum and regardless of that fact it is becoming increasingly damaging. Anyway the law maybe unclear but I do know one quite well networked legal exec who wouldn't mind looking into this type of issue. Especially when statements are written with definity such as yours and you clearly have no idea about me and set out purely to discredit and destroy because you don't like my point of view.

 

I enjoy the banter but some of this is going to another level entirely.

 

I kind of expected it would get to this. But, 19, you'll have to carefully explain to your lawyer friend the details of the abuse you heaped on Daren and Wes, (admittedly as your alter ego Sundance Beast), otherwise he might think you're an innocent being torn apart by the internet wolves. Which you're not, obviously.

 

But again, it would be nice if people would stop harping on about whatever confidence was betrayed. It's pretty disgusting really.

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I know saint robbie...im glad he has gne

 

but to sit there and say he never got a few things right is utterly utterly pathetic really and shows that many are stupidly bitter and twisted...

 

I think we have the right to be bitter. Afterall we have watched him mismanage the very thing that means so much to all of us on this site.

 

I'm afraid doing 10% of things right and 90% of things wrong = failure.

 

He failed and we all suffered less 90 minutes of pleasure losing 1-0 to Arsenal in the FA Cup final.

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I think we have the right to be bitter. Afterall we have watched him mismanage the very thing that means so much to all of us on this site.

 

I'm afraid doing 10% of things right and 90% of things wrong = failure.

 

He failed and we all suffered less 90 minutes of pleasure losing 1-0 to Arsenal in the FA Cup final.

did i say he was not a failure...?

he was pretty gash for us..but somehow, he did one or two good things that will be remembered....clearly most will be of bad times..but there were one or two great days whilst he was here...

 

I think this has been done to death anyway and he has gone...i for one am farking glad.

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And for 19C to pretend that he's not SB is untruthful, clearly.

 

So do people really still think they are not the same person:rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

The mods on this site must be extremely dumb if they haven't sussed that out (no offence fellas, but you do have to be a tad stupid not to realise this).

 

Which then begs the question, why haven't the mods applied the follwoing from their own rules?

 

If you are stupid enough to earn yourself a ban, be it permanent or temporary, don't attempt to register a new username so you can carry on posting. If we find out (which we usually do), your new username(s) will also be permanently banned.

 

If they need a helping hand then they need only look at this thread where Nineteen is referring to ding dongs with Daren W when he was Sundance Beast.

 

Here's another one if you want where Nineteen is referring to the "Fashanu" incident which took place when he was posting as Sundance Beast.

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=385844&highlight=fashanu#post385844

 

Maybe one of the mods could answer the question above as to why they are not enforcing their own rules?

 

Granty, Baj, Ponty, anyone care to answer????

 

For a group of people who helped track down rogue PR posters in Lowe's times and are pretty good and all this interweb jazz, you seem to be rather slow on this one;)

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the only reason this thread is still going as someon must want 19C to mess up enough to get banned..he is not the only one at fault here though

 

I agree

 

It is like players trying to get others sent off not good.

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But, 19, you'll have to carefully explain to your lawyer friend the details of the abuse you heaped on Daren and Wes, (admittedly as your alter ego Sundance Beast), otherwise he might think you're an innocent being torn apart by the internet wolves. Which you're not, obviously.

 

He could also get his lawyer to have a look over the quotes and accusations that the mods removed from his initial batch of posts when he joined in January.

 

It was so obvious it was always going to come to this:rolleyes::-#:smt032

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I think they are all similar looking for confrontation.

 

I resent that. I am not looking to be confrontational, but reserve the right to disagree with posters who attempt to rewrite history or to present conjecture as fact, a fault that 19C has and which you sometimes share too. I have always tried to debate with reason.

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I think they are all similar looking for confrontation.

 

posts like this on this thread dont help...it is like picking sides

 

I understand and will not support him in his snipes at you and your mothers fight.You are a proper respected person and like myself and Um have suffered some attacks by him.In time you may come round and understand my viewpoint (not through experiencing the horror of facing up to his illness) and see he really is trying to control something that is uncontrollable..

 

 

reading this carefully it is an awful post about 19C

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posts like this on this thread dont help...it is like picking sides

 

 

 

 

reading this carefully it is an awful post about 19C

 

Lol....says DD, the great White Knight........look back over your last 10 posts on here, who are you defending!!!

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