Another Lowe apology from the press

[John B]

Who give us toss what other people think. Man Utd gave up the chase? Right.... Sounds like a closet Manc to me

 

Not a really sensible and tolerant post I would have thought

[ottery st mary]

True Saints and idolised by many of us.....Especially the really old Saints :Dforum posters.... who I also idolise and look up to.:-#

 

Like who ottery.:smt032.....Vectis, Weston, Ron the Manager, phil the boss, nick the wannnabee Manager, um, lordwood, thorpie the real sinner and my old aussie mate Bones and John Sydenham...if he were to post...God bless you all and the others I forgot to mention....All wise heads one and all...

 

To Saints and the rise from the Ashes...

 

 

I luv all you luvverly posters as well :smt065and thank the Admin/mods and gang for a great forum and can I thank Markus and team and AP and God for St Marys...... Not forgetting 19, joesaint,GM ,jonah, guam.....luv you

all:rolleyes: Orf to church to pray for Saints and Rupert...:smt065

[VectisSaint]

Who give us toss what other people think. Man Utd gave up the chase? Right.... Sounds like a closet Manc to me

I usually agree with John B, but actually I think he would be surprised how many did know about the other things. As I said in my first post, there were huge numbers of people in the country who even if they weren't Saints supporters, considered us with great affection and would often say we were their "second" team (whatever that means) simply because we were seen as one of the great underdogs (along with Ipswich), regularly punching above our weight and giving the "big" teams a shock on a regular basis.

[SW11_Saint]

Rupert Lowe: Our report, Southampton down to their nails as more anguish looms (27 April, page 9, Sport) wrongly suggested that the Football Association was conducting an investigation into where a reported £40m had gone missing when Mr Lowe was chairman of Southampton FC. In fact there was no missing money nor any FA investigation. We apologise unreservedly to Mr Lowe for this error.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2009/jul/18/rupert-lowe-corrections-clarifications

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/27/southampton-burnley-championship-relegation

At least we can hope he didn't waste any club money trying to 'clear his name' here...!

 

PS I still don't quite get where all the money went. Stop it, stop it, stop it...!!!

[Daren W]

As you do appear to require a history lesson We were in Europe before Lawrie Mac took us down to Div 2

 

 

But winning the cup will what he will be known for I would have thought

 

 

Not many people outside Southampton know that we finished second in Div 1 when Man Utd gave up the chase

 

I've read some complete and utter cr ap on this board before, but this crass re-writing of our history just takes the biscuit.

 

I got a whole load of crap, perhaps justfiably so, for ignoring Charlton's history and yet the self same people who slagged me off for my comments say nothing about the continual ignoring/re-writing of our own history?

 

I can't tell you how angry I am that someone of Lawrie's standing and stature can have his contribution to the club re-written as "The guy who got paid £75,000 a year for nothing... Oh and he won the Fa cup once and we finished second behind one of the greatest English side of all time because Man Utd gave up...."

 

Criticise Charlton's history? Mass hysteria. Re-write our own history? Mass apathy.

 

Words fail me...

Edited 19 July, 2009 by Daren W

[Fan The Flames]

Not many people outside Southampton know that we finished second in Div 1 when Man Utd gave up the chase

 

You're not for real pal. If you dismiss our best Football League finish as down to someone else's muck up what does the club have to do before you will give them credit.

[saint_mears]

Who cares to be honest.

[Clifford Nelson]

What an absolutely shocking piece of sensationalist journalism. This just goes to remind me why I don't read TG.

 

I've seen the Guardian being accused of many things, but "sensationalist journalism"?

[Clifford Nelson]

Plainly the clubs history over the last 35 years has passed you by.. somehow.

 

Aside from his first season which resulted in relegation, Lawrie McMenemy re-built Saints sides and introduced big names which hitherto had only been names on an international team sheet (to Saints fans).

The clubs only FA Cup win was in 1976, and followed by a promotion to the old Div.1 (now Prem.) The list of sensational signings continued with England internationals like Alan Ball, Peter Osgood - until what is still regarded by many as the transfer coup of the decade when England captain Kevin Keegan was signed in 1980. More impressive signings followed to the point where on a number of occasions Saints fielded teams with FIVE former England captains, and included the (then) England goalie Peter Shilton (who incidentally is THE most capped (Saints) English player). The period upto 1985 is without doubt the finest period of top level football that Saints fans have ever known. Season 1983-84, Saints finished 2nd in Div.1 only 3 points behind Liverpool (who had won the title the two previous seasons).

 

With all respect to Ted Bates who took the club from Div 3 to Div.1, no other manager has come near this level of success and many older fans still recall the McMenemy sides even today.

 

If this man isn't worthy of some respect - and a seat in the Directors box for life - then I don't know who is (?). The furore over stories of his directors fees when he sat on the board until recently were a disgrace, as the sum involved was no more than was paid to reserve team players at the time.

 

end of rant.

 

And what an excellent rant it was. Plague on the houses (or should it be swine flue) of those who don't respect a true Saints legend. Somebody to be tremendously proud of for his record as manager, his unstinting support for the club and his integrity and backbone to stand up to RL when nobody else of consequence did. There must be a role for him if only symbolic or ambassadorial.

[dune]

I dont think Rupert Lowe would ever do anything illegal and the allegations made seem to suggest robbery. There are other ways to skin a cat such as combining the chief executive role with the chairmans role, making sure his fellow board are made up of his friends that will say yes to his salary/bonuses demands.

 

But who cares?

 

Rupert Lowe is old news.

[Wopper]

Lawries had the last laugh and Rupert and his followers know it.

[theyin]

just think, this young shower will be berating kids in 30 years time for slagging off some oap called AP who won't stop "dining out" on when if dragged the club up from league 1

[theyin]

just think, this young shower will be berating kids in 30 years time for slagging off some oap called AP who won't stop "dining out" on when if dragged the club up from league 1

[RedAndWhite91]

Plainly the clubs history over the last 35 years has passed you by.. somehow.

 

Aside from his first season which resulted in relegation, Lawrie McMenemy re-built Saints sides and introduced big names which hitherto had only been names on an international team sheet (to Saints fans).

The clubs only FA Cup win was in 1976, and followed by a promotion to the old Div.1 (now Prem.) The list of sensational signings continued with England internationals like Alan Ball, Peter Osgood - until what is still regarded by many as the transfer coup of the decade when England captain Kevin Keegan was signed in 1980. More impressive signings followed to the point where on a number of occasions Saints fielded teams with FIVE former England captains, and included the (then) England goalie Peter Shilton (who incidentally is THE most capped (Saints) English player). The period upto 1985 is without doubt the finest period of top level football that Saints fans have ever known. Season 1983-84, Saints finished 2nd in Div.1 only 3 points behind Liverpool (who had won the title the two previous seasons).

 

With all respect to Ted Bates who took the club from Div 3 to Div.1, no other manager has come near this level of success and many older fans still recall the McMenemy sides even today.

 

If this man isn't worthy of some respect - and a seat in the Directors box for life - then I don't know who is (?). The furore over stories of his directors fees when he sat on the board until recently were a disgrace, as the sum involved was no more than was paid to reserve team players at the time.

 

end of rant.

 

Post of the day, for me. Really well put.

I don't understand how anyone can deny McMenemy's positive input to this club, and even if it was 35 years ago, it doesn't bother me. I am 18, born well after the success of the 80's, but I still recognise McMenemy as part of this club and I too feel he deserves the respect, i.e, a seat in the director's box, at least. To those who argue he doesn't deserve it, do you believe also that in 25 years time Matt Le Tissier should not be allowed a seat there because what he did was in the past?

[RonManager]

Post of the day, for me. Really well put.

I don't understand how anyone can deny McMenemy's positive input to this club, and even if it was 35 years ago, it doesn't bother me. I am 18, born well after the success of the 80's, but I still recognise McMenemy as part of this club and I too feel he deserves the respect, i.e, a seat in the director's box, at least. To those who argue he doesn't deserve it, do you believe also that in 25 years time Matt Le Tissier should not be allowed a seat there because what he did was in the past?

 

By the way, anyone see MLT at all yesterday?

[Redondo Saint]

It not just about winning the Cup it is because of his whole tenure at SFC, what he achieved for our medium sized club. It is because he drew out and developed the characteristics of the club that define SFC in the hearts and minds of a generation of supporters. To me LM is intrinsically linked to SFC and his football is one of the reasons why I feel in love with the club.

 

So whilst his generation of fans are alive his achievments should be remember and lauded. Because afterall if it was that easy why hasn't some one else done it. GS was the closest but still miles away.

 

So personnally I think your attitude sucks and the least said about the **** 19 the better.

 

What over clubs ****s on one of its greatest sons as much as some do on here to LM

 

 

1976 was only part of LM's contribution to our history.

No one other than LM could have brought players such as Ball, Shilton and Keegan to The Dell. Just look at our league positions during the early '80's.

 

It doesn't matter if you are too young to have been around during LM's tenure, or were not a fan. To be resentful of him being invited to sit in the directors box is to not know SFC and shows a complete lack of intelligence (IMHO).

 

 

 

I am too young to have been around during WW2 but I know enough to have absolute respect for those that fought. Time to move on, but never forget those that contributed to our history.

[aintforever]

Lawrie put Saints on the map, no true Saints fan would slag him off for speaking in the media or making a bit of money.

[RonManager]

If you choose to follow a football club, but then not bother to immerse yourself in (and therefore over-simplify and generalise) it's history, then I'm not sure what the point is really.

 

However, as far as LM goes, there's definitely a bit of the old 'dual reality' going on with his tenure as manager and his association since.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Plainly the clubs history over the last 35 years has passed you by.. somehow.

 

Aside from his first season which resulted in relegation, Lawrie McMenemy re-built Saints sides and introduced big names which hitherto had only been names on an international team sheet (to Saints fans).

The clubs only FA Cup win was in 1976, and followed by a promotion to the old Div.1 (now Prem.) The list of sensational signings continued with England internationals like Alan Ball, Peter Osgood - until what is still regarded by many as the transfer coup of the decade when England captain Kevin Keegan was signed in 1980. More impressive signings followed to the point where on a number of occasions Saints fielded teams with FIVE former England captains, and included the (then) England goalie Peter Shilton (who incidentally is THE most capped (Saints) English player). The period upto 1985 is without doubt the finest period of top level football that Saints fans have ever known. Season 1983-84, Saints finished 2nd in Div.1 only 3 points behind Liverpool (who had won the title the two previous seasons).

 

With all respect to Ted Bates who took the club from Div 3 to Div.1, no other manager has come near this level of success and many older fans still recall the McMenemy sides even today.

 

If this man isn't worthy of some respect - and a seat in the Directors box for life - then I don't know who is (?). The furore over stories of his directors fees when he sat on the board until recently were a disgrace, as the sum involved was no more than was paid to reserve team players at the time.

 

end of rant.

 

For the record I have never doubted McMenemy's contribution to our club during his tenure as manager. IMO what is open to much debate is the way he has acted after he retired from management when he should have become this club's next Ted Bates. I have never heard or read of one fan making a critical comment about Ted Bates but I am not alone in my dislike of how McMenemy has conducted himself since he left as manager of this club.

 

So I disgree with your view that McMenemy deserves a free seat for his contribution to the club as that contribution after his time as manager has not always been as positive and supportive as it should have been as the 'club's ambassador elect' IMO. In fact in these changing times it's difficult to find anyone to match Ted Bates's commitment and good grace.

 

On top of all this what sort of message are we sending out if the disgraced Lundekvam is honoured with a seat in the directors box?

[Daren W]

For the record I have never doubted McMenemy's contribution to our club during his tenure as manager. IMO what is open to much debate is the way he has acted after he retired from management when he should have become this club's next Ted Bates. I have never heard or read of one fan making a critical comment about Ted Bates but I am not alone in my dislike of how McMenemy has conducted himself since he left as manager of this club.

 

So I disgree with your view that McMenemy deserves a free seat for his contribution to the club as that contribution after his time as manager has not always been as positive and supportive as it should have been as the 'club's ambassador elect' IMO. In fact in these changing times it's difficult to find anyone to match Ted Bates's commitment and good grace.

 

On top of all this what sort of message are we sending out if the disgraced Lundekvam is honoured with a seat in the directors box?

 

 

Good grace and commitment....

 

Oh the irony...

[mcjwills]

But equally you could argue that the angle from ALL is same old same old.

 

For his achievements as a club manager at Southampton he should be rightly revered.

 

His actions as Director of Football during the 90's, didn't exactly bathe him glory unfortunately.

 

There are then the largely unsubstantiated rumours of interference during the Wilde/Hone years, the demand for the club car, office at the training ground and 75k salary. I say unsubstantiated because I genuinely don't know the truth, and they do say there is no smoke without fire (unless you're at M. Jackson's cremation)

 

Therefore people's opinions won't change because it is unlikely that we will ever find out the truth.

 

If he was in the directors box yesterday then I do hope it was as a guest of Markus Liebherr. I think he should be a guest at every home match for life

 

If LM was paid 75K and he generated in excess of £75K income therefore he is worth the money that he was paid, in business you pay money to employees to make more for you than you pay them. Simples

 

 

Personally I think ML can have who the hell he likes in his directors box be it LM or the one whos name will never be mentioned again.

[Nineteen Canteen]

For all those who are somehow upset that McMenemy gets to sit in the directors' box, then I say tough titties.

 

Perhaps it has passed them by, but we have a new owner. Who gets to sit in the box is entirely up to him. It is his train set, he can do what he wants with it within reason.

 

I agree with that assessment of the situation completely but that does not preclude me from voicing an opinion and no doubt those of opposing views when decisions are made in the future which may rankle them.

 

This theory that McMenemy demands respect is simply wrong. Had he conducted himself in the role of a true diplomat and arbitrator focusing solely on the club itself as oppose to taking sides and rising above the ugliness of the past 10 or so years, then I agree he would have demanded and deserved respect. IMO McMenemy had his own agenda as much as Askham, Lowe, Crouch. Wilde and the rest instead of being the club's elder statesman a far sighted and balanced individual above and beyond reproach.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Good grace and commitment....

 

Oh the irony...

 

Indeed. Hopefully Mr Liebherr will start sowing the seeds of change.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Post of the day, for me. Really well put.

I don't understand how anyone can deny McMenemy's positive input to this club, and even if it was 35 years ago, it doesn't bother me. I am 18, born well after the success of the 80's, but I still recognise McMenemy as part of this club and I too feel he deserves the respect, i.e, a seat in the director's box, at least. To those who argue he doesn't deserve it, do you believe also that in 25 years time Matt Le Tissier should not be allowed a seat there because what he did was in the past?

 

It's not just about what you did during one snapshot in the past it's ensuirng that consistent and positive contribution is maintained long after an individual's glory days and a recognition that the club is more important than your own personal agenda. Le Tissier did not IMO cover himself in glory allowing Pinnacle to allegedly trade off his reputation and unquestionable good nature.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I dont think Rupert Lowe would ever do anything illegal and the allegations made seem to suggest robbery. There are other ways to skin a cat such as combining the chief executive role with the chairmans role, making sure his fellow board are made up of his friends that will say yes to his salary/bonuses demands.

 

But who cares?

 

Rupert Lowe is old news.

 

Not buying to many prawn sandwiches at the moment then Dune?

[greg_hill]

It's sad to see how much some people feel the need to be negative towards our own heroes and sneer at any who dares to take a positive attitude.

Lawrie Mac is a legend. A legend who, when the club came close to death, stepped in and did all that he could to drum up support. Yet I recall a thread here from people getting annoyed that he and Osman were telling fans they had to prove their worth again. For goodness sake, they were trying to save the club!

 

I didn't read it myself but I've heard some posters were knocking Matty for the hideous crime of working hard to save SFC and - in human error - backing the wrong horse.

 

What is it with some people?

 

For the people reacting to my 'Guardian' observation, the piece did strike me as sensationalist, especially the way it described the fighting after the Burnley game.When I read English press, I don't read The Guardian as it so left wing it makes me nauseous and I certainly don't read the red tops: I get more intelligent info on the back of a cornflakes packet! (But I'm not going to say what I do read:-) )

[scally]

For the record I have never doubted McMenemy's contribution to our club during his tenure as manager. IMO what is open to much debate is the way he has acted after he retired from management when he should have become this club's next Ted Bates. I have never heard or read of one fan making a critical comment about Ted Bates but I am not alone in my dislike of how McMenemy has conducted himself since he left as manager of this club.

 

So I disgree with your view that McMenemy deserves a free seat for his contribution to the club as that contribution after his time as manager has not always been as positive and supportive as it should have been as the 'club's ambassador elect' IMO. In fact in these changing times it's difficult to find anyone to match Ted Bates's commitment and good grace.

 

On top of all this what sort of message are we sending out if the disgraced Lundekvam is honoured with a seat in the directors box?

 

Could you charge any exmanager who wanted to come and watch a game? If Rupert Lowe wanted to come and watch a game as much as I don't like the bloke it would be totally classless to expect him to pay for his seat.

[Verbal]

This theory that McMenemy demands respect is simply wrong. Had he conducted himself in the role of a true diplomat and arbitrator focusing solely on the club itself as oppose to taking sides and rising above the ugliness of the past 10 or so years, then I agree he would have demanded and deserved respect. IMO McMenemy had his own agenda as much as Askham, Lowe, Crouch. Wilde and the rest instead of being the club's elder statesman a far sighted and balanced individual above and beyond reproach.

 

This is what I don’t get, 19. As you’ve clearly demonstrated, you have no direct experience or any real knowledge of McMenemy at all. I’m sure some people on here think you do, because of all the pointless speculation as to whether you’re Marland or Lowe or whomever. But you’re not.

 

So what on earth is your animosity actually based on? Are you really so intensely committed to your position, based on the odd rumour you’re heard third-hand about LM’s conduct during Alan Ball’s spell as manager or during the Crouch interregnum?

 

And are you incapable of learning from, say, David in Sweden’s or Vectis’s posts? Because you sure as hell need an education in the history of this club; your ignorance (or let’s call it a series of blind spots, to be a little kinder) has been unwittingly paraded often enough, I would have thought, for you to have a long, hard look at yourself.

 

But no, the best you can do is keep up this bizarre and quite unconvincing vendetta. Now that your one and only hero has left the club in ruins, and those ruins are in the process of being rebuilt by an owner in whom everyone has the highest hopes, isn’t it time for rethink?

 

Or a change of identity?

[VectisSaint]

For the record I have never doubted McMenemy's contribution to our club during his tenure as manager. IMO what is open to much debate is the way he has acted after he retired from management when he should have become this club's next Ted Bates. I have never heard or read of one fan making a critical comment about Ted Bates but I am not alone in my dislike of how McMenemy has conducted himself since he left as manager of this club.

 

So I disgree with your view that McMenemy deserves a free seat for his contribution to the club as that contribution after his time as manager has not always been as positive and supportive as it should have been as the 'club's ambassador elect' IMO. In fact in these changing times it's difficult to find anyone to match Ted Bates's commitment and good grace.

 

On top of all this what sort of message are we sending out if the disgraced Lundekvam is honoured with a seat in the directors box?

For God's sake man, do you never give up? You are obsessed, you only have this problem with LM because he was vocal in his intense dislike of your hero. LM vocalised what the vast majority thought of that despicable man, and all of the woes he brought upon this club along with Wilde and Askham. LM has done almost nothing of any note to warrant the hatred that some, like you, have for him, except to utter some home truths. Yes he was vocal in his attempts to undermine Lowe, and I like most others say, Good on ya Lawrie!!! A pity a few of the other lily-livered pratts did not do likewise.

[um pahars]

On top of all this what sort of message are we sending out if the disgraced Lundekvam is honoured with a seat in the directors box?

 

And the trolling begins.

 

In all your guises, it's always been the same LMFAO.

 

Are the antagonistic posts and attention seeking in any way linked to your "problems"???

[sotonjoe]

But it is so much more than our greatest day, isn't it? Thats what gets my back up about people like 19C and SotonJoe (or are they the same person).

 

 

Oi ... read my posts properly before making your sweeping generalisations. Don't lump my opinions in with the others' when they're quite different. Try reading what's written as opposed to what you think is written.

[Nineteen Canteen]

And the trolling begins.

 

In all your guises, it's always been the same LMFAO.

 

Are the antagonistic posts and attention seeking in any way linked to your "problems"???

 

No, are your's linked to your own delusions of grandeur?

[um pahars]

(But I'm not going to say what I do read:-) )

 

 

The Nation or The Post???

 

I'd have you down as a Bangkok Post man!!!!

[um pahars]

No, are your's linked to your own delusions of grandeur?

 

Of course I have, but prefer that to just being plain delusional, as is the case with yourself.

 

How many identities have you gone through on here so far then???

 

Have you gone through as many as the number of teams you have followed over the years?

 

 

Justin Fashanu me up;)

[St Landrew]

If this thread turns into another UP/NC slanging match I'll close it. Just thought you'd like to know.

[miserableoldgit]

For the record I have never doubted McMenemy's contribution to our club during his tenure as manager. IMO what is open to much debate is the way he has acted after he retired from management when he should have become this club's next Ted Bates. I have never heard or read of one fan making a critical comment about Ted Bates but I am not alone in my dislike of how McMenemy has conducted himself since he left as manager of this club.

 

So I disgree with your view that McMenemy deserves a free seat for his contribution to the club as that contribution after his time as manager has not always been as positive and supportive as it should have been as the 'club's ambassador elect' IMO. In fact in these changing times it's difficult to find anyone to match Ted Bates's commitment and good grace.

 

On top of all this what sort of message are we sending out if the disgraced Lundekvam is honoured with a seat in the directors box?

Another one to add to your hit-list then. Is there anyone involved with Saints (past or present) that you have something good to say about??

[um pahars]

If this thread turns into another UP/NC slanging match I'll close it. Just thought you'd like to know.

 

Maybe you could answer the question with regards posters being banned and then being allowed to come back under a different name?

 

What is the form on that then?

 

Many Thanks.

[Deppo]

If this thread turns into another UP/NC slanging match I'll close it. Just thought you'd like to know.

 

Please don't, I've just bought some popcorn.

[offix]

Maybe you could answer the question with regards posters being banned and then being allowed to come back under a different name?

 

What is the form on that then?

 

Many Thanks.

 

I too would love to know that answer!

[saintwarwick]

Plainly the clubs history over the last 35 years has passed you by.. somehow.

 

Aside from his first season which resulted in relegation, Lawrie McMenemy re-built Saints sides and introduced big names which hitherto had only been names on an international team sheet (to Saints fans).

The clubs only FA Cup win was in 1976, and followed by a promotion to the old Div.1 (now Prem.) The list of sensational signings continued with England internationals like Alan Ball, Peter Osgood - until what is still regarded by many as the transfer coup of the decade when England captain Kevin Keegan was signed in 1980. More impressive signings followed to the point where on a number of occasions Saints fielded teams with FIVE former England captains, and included the (then) England goalie Peter Shilton (who incidentally is THE most capped (Saints) English player). The period upto 1985 is without doubt the finest period of top level football that Saints fans have ever known. Season 1983-84, Saints finished 2nd in Div.1 only 3 points behind Liverpool (who had won the title the two previous seasons).

 

With all respect to Ted Bates who took the club from Div 3 to Div.1, no other manager has come near this level of success and many older fans still recall the McMenemy sides even today.

 

If this man isn't worthy of some respect - and a seat in the Directors box for life - then I don't know who is (?). The furore over stories of his directors fees when he sat on the board until recently were a disgrace, as the sum involved was no more than was paid to reserve team players at the time.

 

end of rant.

 

Top post, absolutely spot on.

[Nineteen Canteen]

For God's sake man, do you never give up? You are obsessed, you only have this problem with LM because he was vocal in his intense dislike of your hero. LM vocalised what the vast majority thought of that despicable man, and all of the woes he brought upon this club along with Wilde and Askham. LM has done almost nothing of any note to warrant the hatred that some, like you, have for him, except to utter some home truths. Yes he was vocal in his attempts to undermine Lowe, and I like most others say, Good on ya Lawrie!!! A pity a few of the other lily-livered pratts did not do likewise.

 

Nothing to do with Lowe more about how McMenemy 'the senior statesmen' conducted himself during the past 10 or so years, what I heard and read in the media and the alleged rumours I have picked up on here. I suppose its a bit like Crouch and his contributions to keep the club afloat. We all seem to recognise he made those contributions but no one seems to talk or show evidence of the conditions or otherwise that those contributions were made.

 

In other words many vociferously defend the likes of McMenemy and Crouch who hide behind their strong reputation with the fans but there is IMO little evidence to prove or disprove some of the alleged rumours that would perhaps challenge the regard in which they are held IMO. Posts from their strongest supporters that are designed more to insult and rubbish me than to allay my concerns do nothing to convince me these alleged rumours are nothing more than untrue allegations.

 

 

I doubt we will ever know the detailed truth but true legends should be beyond reproach and until Le Tissier's debacle with Pinnacle, Ted Bates had only one challenger as a true club legend. Time will tell if MLT recovers from that unfortunate association but again we don't really know if he was simply just a tad naive and perhaps a bit lazy in his desire to back a bid to save the club.

 

I would love all this stuff to be put to bed in a Q&A public debate and answers duly evidenced so that all the misunderstandings that have built up over the past about some of our legends and benefactors can be positively addressed. Remember I did not start any of the rumours and have only picked up on stuff along the way but I have been unhappy with the way McMenemy and Crouch have conducted themselves in the media in the past and it is those issues that have fuelled my concerns in addition to all the other stuff that gets mentioned on here.

 

So all your jingoistic nonsense and accusations that I am not a fan along with the rest of your sympathisers is not going to change my opinion and in the light as someone else said 'that the full facts will never be known' with regards to some aspects of various individuals contribution (Lowe included) I guess only the passage of time will heal the rift.

 

In the meantime I prefer to concentrate on the future and certain that Mr Liebherr will as well. As Weston Saint mentioned earlier, it's not exactly that there are not enough issues to talk about on the pitch going forward and perhaps we need to accept our differing opinions on the past with the exception of the one man who deserves the title 'Saints Legend' and we even managed to screw up that great man's memorial. Still we must be thankful for our anonymous benefactor for sorting out that embarrassment but we still don't know who allowed the thing to humliate and ridicule the memory of Ted in the first place do we? Did anyone look under the sheets and notice that due to a structural fault the statue was considered unsafe and would need to be immediatey dismantled and recast or other face saving excuse. Time to look forward I think, a new breed or professionalism is in town.

[aintforever]

Nineteen Canteen you obviously have issues with McMenemy and Crouch because of your fondness for Lowe. Just get over it as you are coming across as a very sad individual.

 

McMenemy is a legend with all true Saints fans because he put the club on the map.

 

Crouch is held in high regard, despite making some mistakes, because the fans know that he is a true Saints fan, who has shown great generosity.

 

Just accept these facts and don't let your love of Lowe ruin our new era.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Another one to add to your hit-list then. Is there anyone involved with Saints (past or present) that you have something good to say about??

 

In no particular order:

 

Players:

 

Franny Benali

Mick Channon

Terry Paine

Nick Holmes

Bobby Stokes

Chris Marsden

Matt Le Tissier

Wayne Bridge

James Beattie

Michael Svennson

Steve Williams

David Peach

Jo Tessem

Mick Mills

Danny Wallace

Mark Wright

Jason Dodd

Matt Oakley

Marion Pahars

Antti Niemi

Theo Walcott

Steve Moran

Simon Gillett

Kelvin Davis

Rudi Skacel

Zoltan Liptak

(The last two are obviously a joke and as memorable as eachother)

 

Non Players:

 

Markus Liebherr

Andrew Oldknow

Rupert Lowe

Andrew Cohen

David Luker

Dave Merrington

Ted Bates

Mark Wotte

Glenn Hoddle

Dave Jones

 

Just a few names that pop into my head many simply because they were favourites at the time and many because looking back you admire their contribution and one because he was really friendly and happy to have a chat in Costa Coffee in West Quay even when we felt the need to leave him alone after the usual smile and acknowledgement.

 

HTH

[Nineteen Canteen]

Nineteen Canteen you obviously have issues with McMenemy and Crouch because of your fondness for Lowe. Just get over it as you are coming across as a very sad individual.

 

McMenemy is a legend with all true Saints fans because he put the club on the map.

 

Crouch is held in high regard, despite making some mistakes, because the fans know that he is a true Saints fan, who has shown great generosity.

 

Just accept these facts and don't let your love of Lowe ruin our new era.

 

'Posts from their strongest supporters that are designed more to insult and rubbish me than to allay my concerns '

[Verbal]

there is IMO little evidence to prove or disprove some of the alleged rumours that would perhaps challenge the regard in which they are held IMO. Posts from their strongest supporters that are designed more to insult and rubbish me than to allay my concerns do nothing to convince me these alleged rumours are nothing more than untrue allegations.

 

 

I doubt we will ever know the detailed truth but true legends should be beyond reproach and until Le Tissier's debacle with Pinnacle, Ted Bates had only one challenger as a true club legend. Time will tell if MLT recovers from that unfortunate association but again we don't really know if he was simply just a tad naive and perhaps a bit lazy in his desire to back a bid to save the club.

 

I would love all this stuff to be put to bed in a Q&A public debate and answers duly evidenced so that all the misunderstandings that have built up over the past about some of our legends and benefactors can be positively addressed. Remember I did not start any of the rumours and have only picked up on stuff along the way but I have been unhappy with the way McMenemy and Crouch have conducted themselves in the media in the past and it is those issues that have fuelled my concerns in addition to all the other stuff that gets mentioned on here.

 

I’m sorry 19, but the logic of your post is again utterly self-defeating. If the basis of your strongly expressed animosity towards LM is merely some unspecified ‘alleged rumours’ for which there is, ‘in your opinion’, ‘little evidence’, what the hell is your point? How can you possibly be so angry about something that someone, by your own admission, may or may not have done?

 

And having dragged Lundekvam into your self-created cesspit of immorality-beyond-redemption, you seem to be gearing up to pull MLT in as well.

 

I think the reason people on here get so angry with you right now is that just at the point when we seem to have consigned the pygmies to history, you seem to want to continue fighting the old battles in some sort of vain hope that some old wounds can be re-opened.

 

Please: get over it and lighten up!

[UncleRay]

I don't know I see McMenemy was in the Directors box. Do they sell tickets for that area?

 

Hello Sundance......................Daddies home!!!!

[Colinjb]

Good and bad has happened in the past, for pities sake can't we just accept the clean slate and move on? It's surely Marcus Leibherr's choice on who joins him, at his cost, in the executive area, and who has anything to do with the club now...... How does it really hurt anyone, now of all times!?

[um pahars]

In no particular order:

 

Players:

 

Franny Benali

Mick Channon

Terry Paine

Nick Holmes

Bobby Stokes

Chris Marsden

Matt Le Tissier

Wayne Bridge

James Beattie

Michael Svennson

Steve Williams

David Peach

Jo Tessem

Mick Mills

Danny Wallace

Mark Wright

Jason Dodd

Matt Oakley

Marion Pahars

Antti Niemi

Theo Walcott

Steve Moran

Simon Gillett

Kelvin Davis

Rudi Skacel

Zoltan Liptak

(The last two are obviously a joke and as memorable as eachother)

 

Non Players:

 

Markus Liebherr

Andrew Oldknow

Rupert Lowe

Andrew Cohen

David Luker

Dave Merrington

Ted Bates

Mark Wotte

Glenn Hoddle

Dave Jones

 

Just a few names that pop into my head many simply because they were favourites at the time and many because looking back you admire their contribution and one because he was really friendly and happy to have a chat in Costa Coffee in West Quay even when we felt the need to leave him alone after the usual smile and acknowledgement.

 

HTH

 

No Justin Fashanu then Sundance;)

[bridge too far]

No Justin Fashanu then Sundance;)

 

Also he forgot Andrew Cowen

[scally]

I think you had to be a Saints fan during Lawries time as manager to really get it and I think thats 19C's problem, I don't think he was.