Thedelldays Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 will he be world champion tonight..? hmmm not too sure myself....more honestly, could not care lss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Hes gone up a wight which is about 5lbs,,,,,Lets hope he keeps one hand covering his jaw, Sack of spuds time again me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 will he be world champion tonight..? hmmm not too sure myself....more honestly, could not care lss So you decided to start a thread? FWIW Khan is going to get his ass handed to him, as long as he is fighting someone with two arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 So you decided to start a thread? FWIW Khan is going to get his ass handed to him, as long as he is fighting someone with two arms. Yeah, that's how he's only lost one fight so far...I'd like to see Khan win, but I think he'll need to do something explosive pretty early. I can't really see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Khan to win round 8. The other guy is about the weakest world champion in any division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Khan 2/5 to win, 20/1 to win in Rd 8 if you want a sporting bet. I'm pretty sure the defeat v Prescott will prove to the defining moment for Khan and fully expect him to win and inside the distance. The step up in weight won't be a problem, Freddie Roach expects him to progress to welterweight in due course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Should be a good fight. What annoys me about Khan is the whole MAB thing and the way he conducted himself after it. If you hear his comments he says "Everyone thought i was going to get beat by him, everyone doubted my ability, even some people in my own camp doubted my ability, i proved them wrong, i proved everyone wrong, i beat Marc Antonio Barrera up and i will do the same to Kotelnik. I will be champion and i will go on to big fights, maybe against people like Marquez or Hatton. I am in the mix with those guys". It is his complete and utter disregard for reality which i think makes most people dislike him. MAB is a true gent and a true legend, he was beaten by Khan because of a clash of heads in round one which made it so he could not see at all. The ref should of stopped the fight right there. If it was a title fight and the same thing happened to say Hatton everyone would of been up in arms about it. But even with a blind past it Barrera he could not hurt him nor looklike hurting him. He truely believes he won that fight fair and square. He believes he does not need a re-match with MAB. So in my view Khan has some good skills, Roach would not touch him if he did not think he had potential to be something good. But the problem with Khan is Frank Warren. He has done as he always does and hype people, that is his job, the more he does it the more money he gets. It is the same with so many other previous fighters. Khan is the new one, raise expectations to these high levels and make people believe he is the next great British boxer. The night is called "The Man Who Would Be King", isn't that the same thing we saw with Harrison,Williams etc? The truth is he had to go up in weight to fight a champion who would not beat him bad. At Lightweight you got Marquez who has 3 titles and Valero, a guy who has 25 fights and 25 knock outs, that guy is as dangerous as dangerous gets. Was Khan going to beat those guys? Hell no. So he had to move up to the weight of Super Lightweight to fight either Kotelnik or Urango. He would not fight Bradley because Bradley is undefeated and has a habbit of being stripped of the titles he wins for not fighting the people he is supposed to. So the only place he could have a title shot would be SLW and against Kotelnik. Urango is still a dangerous fighter. Kotelnik is no chump, he is a hard fighter with one of the best defences in the game. He has never been knocked down let alone knocked out. But he is slow, doesn't hit hard and comes forward. Khan will do what Khan does and stay on the outside and hit and move and do that all night and win on the score cards most probably. If he does that then he will earn some respect from a lot of people including me. But i have a feeling he has over looked Kotelnik, he has been dreaming of a potential fight with Hatton and because of that his head will not be in the fight. Kotelnik is not a hard hitter but Khan has a glass chin. All it takes is one shot on the money and it is over. So in terms of boxing skill Khan is the better boxer, but a lot more goes into it then that and i think he might get caught again and lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Will it be available on the web anywhere ( for free) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Will it be available on the web anywhere ( for free) ? http://fr.justin.tv/vip_boxing_4/old disclaimer: i am mearly linking a link to a website, i have not put it on the web therefore i am innocent guv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Excellent, thanks !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Great fight, fully deserved win for Khan but credit to Kotelnik who gave his all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Excellent performance by Khan from start to finish, as i said above if he could hit and move and do it all night he would easily win. The only negative is that the opponent is slow and weak but still he got a few hooks in especially in the last 3 rounds. If he goes up against any of the main fighters just one of those will take him out. But maybe he has learnt a new punch resistance under Roach who once again shows why he is the best trainer alive today. So excellent win for Amir and has in my view earnt more respect, especially from people like me who are not his greatest fans. It will be interesting to see what direction he goes in from here, a fight with Hatton would be good for english boxing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 King Roach more than King Khan. Boy has many a fault and currently he still wouldn't beat any of the top few in light welter or even lightweight division. Still, you can only hit what is put in front of you and as such he is now a world champion. Fair play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Freddie Roach has clearly done a great job with Amir, the perfect trainer for him and one has to give him utmost credit for that. However, I'm not going to argue with him when he says: "We have to improve in some places. He's still a young man - he's going to get a lot better." Indeed at 22 he is still a relative novice in the pro game and to win a world title just 10 months after his devastating defeat v Prescott is quite extraordinary IMO and for all of Roach's input it was of course Khan who was actually in the ring. I think it is clear he would struggle against the likes of Marques and Valero though given Marquez is 34 and Valero 27 then that is hardly surprising and the more so if you believe as I do ( as does Freddie Roach) that Khan is more of a natural welterweight than a lightweight or even a super lightweight. I also think that at the higher weights he is developing a better punch resistance and I'm not convinced he does have a glass chin based on one fight. The next few years are going to be pretty exciting though it would be ridiculous to rush him into fights with the likes of Kendall Holt and Timothy Bradley, again both are several years older than Khan. He may well fight Ricky Hatton but even though I'm a great fan of Hatton I think he is better off retiring following his defeat v Manny Pacquiao. Ricky has nothing to prove, his defeat of Kostya Tszyu in 2005 was one of the all time great performances by a British fighter and he was deservedly named the 2005 Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year. Khan has time on his side and for what it is worth I don't suscribe to the view of St Marco that "most people dislike him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 for what it is worth I don't suscribe to the view of St Marco that "most people dislike him." Then you obviously do not know much about peoples opinions of him Have a read of this thread on the main boxing forum in the world http://www.boxingforum.com/boxing-forum-general-discussion/12402-khan-vs-kotelnik.html Even though he won and won well people still shooting him down saying he will fight bums for the rest of his career etc etc. Do not let your biasedness of being british cloud your judegement. Any real fan of the sport see's the two fighters as equal not as countries and that is why the commentators on Sky have come in for some crap if you read it. What they were saying did not match what we were seeing, they were praising how great he was and how great the display was when in reality it was good not great and was effectivley fighting a moving punch bag. In the last 3 rounds they were saying he had loads left in the tank when he was clearly struggling once Kotelnik realised he needed a knockout. So as i said most people dislike him and to use a quote from someone on that thread "I find it difficult to think of any boxer in British boxing history as unpopular boxer as Khan is at present in the UK." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Then you obviously do not know much about peoples opinions of him Have a read of this thread on the main boxing forum in the world http://www.boxingforum.com/boxing-forum-general-discussion/12402-khan-vs-kotelnik.html So as i said most people dislike him and to use a quote from someone on that thread present in the UK." Ah John The Man who said "I find it difficult to think of any boxer in British boxing history as unpopular boxer as Khan is at present in the UK." Does not seem to know too much about boxing to be honest nor many of the posters in fact, what a surprise to find that on a sporting forum. So I'll make up my own mind and disagree with you/them. Most people I know who are boxing fans do like Khan so that v 51 posts on a forum is more important in my opinion. I've been following boxing since the 60's so I'm confident I know more than most. As for being biased in my opinion and in no particular order the best boxers I've ever seen are Muhammad Ali ( not an original choice granted), Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Oscar De La Hoya, Julio Ceasar Chavez, Roy Jones Jr, Roberto Duran, Marco Antonio Barrera, Larry Holmes and Joe Calzaghe. Oh, did I just include a British fighter, how remiss of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Anyone watch Nathan Cleverly on ITV4? Have seen a few of his previous fights as well, and he looks class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Just got back from Manchester. Great event, sad to see Maccarinelli getting absolutely battered. Main event was a decent contest. Having just read most of the posts on this thread, I think St Marco called in spot on. Kotelnik, solid fighter. Lacked the hand speed and power to cause too many problems but the ones he did land with seemed to rattle Amir, who did well to slip out of range before Kotelnik could throw too many. As for Khan's popularity, I would say there was a good mix of people cheering for and against him. He appears to have a hardcore of fans who are very vocal and lend to a great atmosphere but then there seemed to be a large amount who were cheering on Kotelnik and hoping Amir would fall flat on his face. James DeGale looks good, as does Frankie Gavin (who, incidentally appears to have built up a very vocal following of Birmingham City fans) Shame to see Enzo Mac getting absolutely battered too. Hopefully he calls it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Anyone watch Nathan Cleverly on ITV4? Have seen a few of his previous fights as well, and he looks class. Yes, he's the future. Danny McIntosh was slightly annoying with all his mugging around, but quite humble afterwards, so that atoned for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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