David Armstrong on Talksport on the next hour

[sotonjoe]

Well, when the cornerstone of your argument is that we should go off and listen to the recordings of an AGM, only for those aforementioned recordings not to exist, it does sort of render your position rather weak.

 

Then when you further compound your already weakened position by saying actually it doesn't matter about them, then you really do end up coming across as rather, well, silly.

 

You're really hung up on that point Um when I never suggested they were the cornerstone of my argument; it's you that keeps saying so! It's you that started banging on about evidence, even though you know as well as I do what went on in the boardrooms of St Marys over the past few months; at a level necessary to engage in this debate anyway, i.e. was Lawrie squabbling with the rest of them? yes!

 

I'm still waiting to see if you're going to claim that he played no part in the squabbling at all but you're avoiding that one!

[um pahars]

You're really hung up on that point Um when I never suggested they were the cornerstone of my argument; it's you that keeps saying so! It's you that started banging on about evidence,

 

You were the one who brought it up, you were the one who told us to go and listen to the recordings, you were the one using it as the basis for your argument.

 

And you were the one found out to be making stuff up by asking us to listen to stuff that doesn't exist.

 

You can backtrack as much as you want to, but making stuff up isn't really the best line to use in a debate. You sort of lose the debate before you start.

 

I'm still waiting to see if you're going to claim that he played no part in the squabbling at all but you're avoiding that one!

 

Then you must have missed the many threads/debates/arguments about the role that McMenemy and others have played (good, bad and ugly) over the years, and my contributions to them.

 

A poor attempt at diverting attention from your work of fiction mind!!!! Maybe I should justify my position by forwarding you to a link that doesn't exist;)

[sotonjoe]

You were the one who brought it up, you were the one who told us to go and listen to the recordings, you were the one using it as the basis for your argument.

 

And you were the one found out to be making stuff up by asking us to listen to stuff that doesn't exist.

 

You can backtrack as much as you want to, but making stuff up isn't really the best line to use in a debate. You sort of lose the debate before you start.

 

 

 

Then you must have missed the many threads/debates/arguments about the role that McMenemy and others have played (good, bad and ugly) over the years, and my contributions to them.

 

A poor attempt at diverting attention from your work of fiction mind!!!! Maybe I should justify my position by forwarding you to a link that doesn't exist;)

 

 

You still don't get it do you Um?

 

The discussion has nothing to do with whether the accounts that exist are audio accounts or written reports. I told you that I clearly made a mistake in writing 'sound' when I would used ' written [because the radio solent fans forum audio recordings are frequently made available to us I would have guessed!] but that is only significant if you disbelieve the evidence put forward in the written account.

 

So is that what you're saying? You don't think the account I provided is accurate? It seemed to tally with events as discussed on here around the time of the original meeting so I'd like to see you try and say it was all made up now!

[70's Mike]

I like DISCUSSING on a DISCUSSION forum. It's posts like the one you just made that fill the place with off topic flotsam. Got anything to add to the discussion?

 

Discussion just you anD UM having a love-in, you will end up getting a reputation like 19C

 

STILL if it makes you happy

[sotonjoe]

Discussion just you anD UM having a love-in, you will end up getting a reputation like 19C

 

STILL if it makes you happy

 

Um and I are playing very nicely thank you, none of the name calling associated with big boys round here.

[um pahars]

So is that what you're saying?

 

All I'm saying is should we be looking for the link, or doesn't it matter anymore?

[sotonjoe]

All I'm saying is should we be looking for the link, or doesn't it matter anymore?

 

 

Just been cleared up on the other thread Um; the one where you started name calling.

[um pahars]

Just been cleared up on the other thread Um; the one where you started name calling.

 

Considering your normal keeness to post the same things everywhere, the least you could have done was to post it on this thread as well (or at least put a link to it up on here, preferably one that works;)).

[Weston Saint]

Can I suggest you guys carry on this "discussion" in the Muppet forum please.

[VectisSaint]

I can't believe Armstrong didn't say 'I can't possibly comment on League 1 as I never played their in my career or experienced relegation or had to overcome a 10 point deficit. Waste of time getting Armstrong on because if it didn't happen to him in his playing days he couldn't possibly comment. Please god I pray he is not the summariser on the new version of Radio Hampshire.

 

Guess we'll need to be happy with Solent's version of Murray Walker, cab for Merrington!

Whoops, did you forget for a minute to log on as alterego SotonJoe?

[sotonjoe]

Considering your normal keeness to post the same things everywhere, the least you could have done was to post it on this thread as well (or at least put a link to it up on here, preferably one that works;)).

 

No need Um ... I was sure you'd be eagerly waiting for my post on the other thread.

[sotonjoe]

Whoops, did you forget for a minute to log on as alterego SotonJoe?

 

 

we've just been seen in the same place at the same time so that blows that one out the water!

 

Anyway, if you were eagle eyed, you'd see I never said anything against Lance Armstrong.

[miserableoldgit]

we've just been seen in the same place at the same time so that blows that one out the water!

 

Anyway, if you were eagle eyed, you'd see I never said anything against Lance Armstrong.

Who saw you? Was it Sundance Beast??

[sotonjoe]

Who saw you? Was it Sundance Beast??

 

no, i don't think so.

[Wildgoose]

Oh thank God, I was getting worried.

Summer's here.

Saints are the 4th richest team in England

We have a new experienced manager

We are playing a champions league team at home tomorrow

England scored more than 400 at Lords against the Aussies for the first time since 1652 or something

 

 

And yet forum heroes can still start a bar fight over nothing.

 

Normality reigns unless they get sent to the lounge as part of the new world order

 

Haha. At least someone knows how to post common sense!

[Eastcowzer]

He could comment on Justin Fashanu though, having played alongside him in the 80's.

 

Whatever happened to Fashanu???

 

1st openly 'gay' footballer, he committed suicide, by hanging, in the late '80's, I think.

[Eastcowzer]

1st openly 'gay' footballer, he committed suicide, by hanging, in the late '80's, I think.

 

I forgot, He also played a few games for Saints

[Nineteen Canteen]

He could comment on Justin Fashanu though, having played alongside him in the 80's.

 

Whatever happened to Fashanu???

 

Committed suicide and perhaps we should be asking ourselves why? The guy entered football at a time when racism was even more rife in football and had to cope with bullying and ridicule over something none of us have any control over - our sexuality. We are what we are Um and I guess with Justin Fashanu he got to a stage where the joke went to far and life became to difficult.

 

I have trouble Um recollecting events in my not so distant personal life so hardly surprising I can't remember the tragic circumstances of a player whose passing was I suspect as much to do with the way he was treated as it was trying to overcome a lack of self-acceptance no doubt drilled into him by stereotypical individuals like yourself.

[sotonjoe]

Committed suicide and perhaps we should be asking ourselves why? The guy entered football at a time when racism was even more rife in football and had to cope with bullying and ridicule over something none of us have any control over - our sexuality. We are what we are Um and I guess with Justin Fashanu he got to a stage where the joke went to far and life became to difficult.

 

I have trouble Um recollecting events in my not so distant personal life so hardly surprising I can't remember the tragic circumstances of a player whose passing was I suspect as much to do with the way he was treated as it was trying to overcome a lack of self-acceptance no doubt drilled into him by stereotypical individuals like yourself.

 

 

Didn't know about this! Disgusted to read John's comments about his brother though...

 

John famously disowned his brother, telling The Voice newspaper: "My gay brother is an outcast".

[chocco boxo]

Didn't know about this! Disgusted to read John's comments about his brother though...

 

Outcast! suppose it could have been worse if he was a Halfcast.

[sotonjoe]

Outcast! suppose it could have been worse if he was a Halfcast.

 

I can't find the actual article to explore the context though. He could have been saying that his brother had been outcast by other people as opposed to saying he has outcast him as well.

[um pahars]

Committed suicide and perhaps we should be asking ourselves why?

 

Well at least you know this time around. 'Twas a tad embarrassing last time around;)

 

no doubt drilled into him by stereotypical individuals like yourself.

 

That's about as close as you accusing Richard Chorley of being racist:rolleyes:

[miserableoldgit]

Committed suicide and perhaps we should be asking ourselves why? The guy entered football at a time when racism was even more rife in football and had to cope with bullying and ridicule over something none of us have any control over - our sexuality. We are what we are Um and I guess with Justin Fashanu he got to a stage where the joke went to far and life became to difficult.

 

I have trouble Um recollecting events in my not so distant personal life so hardly surprising I can't remember the tragic circumstances of a player whose passing was I suspect as much to do with the way he was treated as it was trying to overcome a lack of self-acceptance no doubt drilled into him by stereotypical individuals like yourself.

You were doing quite well with this post until the last line. Incidently, unless I missed it, I didn`t see your response to Mark Frys interview where he said that Leon Crouch saved the club by putting his hand in his pocket. Has your view on LC changed or is he still a canker eating away at the club?

[Nineteen Canteen]

Whoops, did you forget for a minute to log on as alterego SotonJoe?

 

No but perhaps it proves one thing - the views on this forum are not necessarily reflected in the wider Saints community and perhaps the new takeover is making fans realise just how bad things had become and how badly change was needed to break from the shackles of our past but outdated glories.

 

Time many on here broke from their cocoon and matamorphosed into a bright and brilliant future. Admittedly Vectis you will be more moth than red admiral but at least you will see the light even if we won't open the window, just yet.

 

Sotonjoe is rattling your shackles, ask him for the key and join the new world Vectis.

[sotonjoe]

No but perhaps it proves one thing - the views on this forum are not necessarily reflected in the wider Saints community and perhaps the new takeover is making fans realise just how bad things had become and how badly change was needed to break from the shackles of our past but outdated glories.

 

Time many on here broke from their cocoon and matamorphosed into a bright and brilliant future. Admittedly Vectis you will be more moth than red admiral but at least you will see the light even if we won't open the window, just yet.

 

Sotonjoe is rattling your shackles, ask him for the key and join the new world Vectis.

 

 

Sad isn't it? Espouse views they can't grasp and they accuse you of being one person with multi-logons .. and this is from grown men supposedly!

[Nineteen Canteen]

You were doing quite well with this post until the last line. Incidently, unless I missed it, I didn`t see your response to Mark Frys interview where he said that Leon Crouch saved the club by putting his hand in his pocket. Has your view on LC changed or is he still a canker eating away at the club?

 

My views on Crouch have not changed. I did not hear Fry's interview so can't comment but I often bail out some of my family by putting my hand in my pocket but I always want it back when they have it or something done in return. Giving unconditionally? Is that not the reserve of Christmas, Birthdays, Holidays, Bar mitzvah's and anonymous charitable donations.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Sad isn't it? Espouse views they can't grasp and they accuse you of being one person with multi-logons .. and this is from grown men supposedly!

 

Or worse. However, the winds of change are strong and despite what they tell you many on here always want to bring you back to the old guard debate. Some are never ready for that leap of faith.

[sotonjoe]

Or worse. However, the winds of change are strong and despite what they tell you many on here always want to bring you back to the old guard debate. Some are never ready for that leap of faith.

 

 

Yes, that's very true about them wanting to take discussions back to the old guard debate ... very true.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Well at least you know this time around. 'Twas a tad embarrassing last time around;)

 

 

 

That's about as close as you accusing Richard Chorley of being racist:rolleyes:

 

Wasn't embarrassing for me Um . Why? Do you profess to know everything and forgotten nothing? I am most happy for you if thats the case but clearly pointless any of us ever debating anything with you as you have all the answers.

 

With regards to Chorley I have no idea what you are talking about but I doubt he is as he has a wife who I think is of West Indian descent? I don't know for certain as it's something I remember reading on here but IMO that does not excuse some of Chorley's alleged dismeanours from the past. The whole SISA bunch IMO come across as a pretty unsavoury bunch compared to the Saints Trust but again just an opinion you understand.

[derry]

Wasn't embarrassing for me Um . Why? Do you profess to know everything and forgotten nothing? I am most happy for you if thats the case but clearly pointless any of us ever debating anything with you as you have all the answers.

 

With regards to Chorley I have no idea what you are talking about but I doubt he is as he has a wife who I think is of West Indian descent? I don't know for certain as it's something I remember reading on here but IMO that does not excuse some of Chorley's alleged dismeanours from the past. The whole SISA bunch IMO come across as a pretty unsavoury bunch compared to the Saints Trust but again just an opinion you understand.

 

You are not wrong, they say their bit and shout down any other view.

 

Their loudmouth anarchistic behaviour at meetings has made them a very small group.

[sotonjoe]

You are not wrong, they say their bit and shout down any other view.

 

Their loudmouth anarchistic behaviour at meetings has made them a very small group.

 

 

Sounds like many of the posters on here to be honest!

[um pahars]

Wasn't embarrassing for me Um . Why? Do you profess to know everything and forgotten nothing?

 

I still remember it quite clearly, and how you did your best to squirm out of it.

 

You seemed a tad embarassed about it to me (and others on here) Your backtracking was memorable.

 

With regards to Chorley I have no idea what you are talking about

 

Your memory must be really poor. LMFAO. Don't you remember your rather crass banana jibe before you were put in your place.

[miserableoldgit]

My views on Crouch have not changed. I did not hear Fry's interview so can't comment but I often bail out some of my family by putting my hand in my pocket but I always want it back when they have it or something done in return. Giving unconditionally? Is that not the reserve of Christmas, Birthdays, Holidays, Bar mitzvah's and anonymous charitable donations.

So you know for certain any terms that LC may have put on his "benificence", or are you making assumptions to fit your own views?

[Nineteen Canteen]

So you know for certain any terms that LC may have put on his "benificence", or are you making assumptions to fit your own views?

 

No I don't know for certain and that's the problem and neither am I making assumptions. I listen to the media and read what get's said in the papers as we all do but it's a fool who simply takes everything at face value.

 

Unless it's been answered elsewhere I would like to know if Crouch was an unconditional benefactor or if funds were given with terms attached. Shouldn't be to difficult ot prove if anyone so desired but personally I couldn't care less as I prefer to keep an open an mind and concentrate on the future as Crouch is history IMO.

[TopGun]

No I don't know for certain and that's the problem and neither am I making assumptions. I listen to the media and read what get's said in the papers as we all do but it's a fool who simply takes everything at face value.

 

Unless it's been answered elsewhere I would like to know if Crouch was an unconditional benefactor or if funds were given with terms attached. Shouldn't be to difficult ot prove if anyone so desired but personally I couldn't care less as I prefer to keep an open an mind and concentrate on the future as Crouch is history IMO.

 

:confused:

[Nineteen Canteen]

You are not wrong, they say their bit and shout down any other view.

 

Their loudmouth anarchistic behaviour at meetings has made them a very small group.

 

Derry,

 

I agree but have only seen or heard them on the TV and radio. During the period of administration and immediately post the Swiss takeover two characters called Foley and O'Callaghan were IMO an embarassment to the club and IMO the vast majority of Saints fans. I passed comment on Foley's act back in April but O'Callaghan's crass comment about our new owner was like he was audtioning for the next Guy Ritchie/Vinne Jones film. I can't remember his exact comment but when asked his thoughts on Mr Liebherr it was something like this: 'Well it's nice to have an owner with a bit of wedge in his pocket' Surprised he didn't finish the sentence with 'governer'.

 

I couldn't believe it and thought Saints had suddenly moved to the 1960's ganglands of Mile End and the Old Kent Road. IMO SISA are as far removed from the modern day supporter as the Krays are from cyber criminals. They are a complete anachronism and IMO have their roots and beliefs firmly planted in football's darkest days in the 70's and 80's when what went on off the pitch was more important than what went on it.

 

Why do these people get the airtime when they are clearly a minority?

[TopGun]

Derry,

 

I agree but have only seen or heard them on the TV and radio. During the period of administration and immediately post the Swiss takeover two characters called Foley and O'Callaghan were IMO an embarassment to the club and IMO the vast majority of Saints fans. I passed comment on Foley's act back in April but O'Callaghan's crass comment about our new owner was like he was audtioning for the next Guy Ritchie/Vinne Jones film. I can't remember his exact comment but when asked his thoughts on Mr Liebherr it was something like this: 'Well it's nice to have an owner with a bit of wedge in his pocket' Surprised he didn't finish the sentence with 'governer'.

 

I couldn't believe it and thought Saints had suddenly moved to the 1960's ganglands of Mile End and the Old Kent Road. IMO SISA are as far removed from the modern day supporter as the Krays are from cyber criminals. They are a complete anachronism and IMO have their roots and beliefs firmly planted in football's darkest days in the 70's and 80's when what went on off the pitch was more important than what went on it.

 

Why do these people get the airtime when they are clearly a minority?

 

Your problem 19/Sundance is when you put forward a reasoned post everyone laughs at you for previous tosspot comments.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I still remember it quite clearly, and how you did your best to squirm out of it.

 

You seemed a tad embarassed about it to me (and others on here) Your backtracking was memorable.

 

 

 

Your memory must be really poor. LMFAO. Don't you remember your rather crass banana jibe before you were put in your place.

 

My memory is very poor especially compared to yours as you are never wrong and know everything except the meaning of the word magnanimity.

 

Please see my response above to Derry about my opinion and apparently he has similar views with regard to SISA of which Chorley is a proud member as I understand. IMO they come across as an unsavoury bunch of characters and it wouldn't take a huge leap of faith to assume they were fully in the mix of the hooligan era and everything that went on at that time to shame the ordinary fan.

 

The way they communicate gives me the impression they are not in harmony with todays family focussed (amongst others) approach. Last season I had a bloke stand behind me and my young nephew and in his frustration he let out a couple of expletives and then tapped me on the shoulder and apologised. It wasn't necessary but that is the era we are in and IMO I don't sense the SISA crew are in line with that more friendly approach. I may be wrong as it's an opinion and unlike you, sometimes I can be off the mark hence the debate and questions to help my understanding. Why do you post on here? Its certainly never to enhance your understanding and experience. Are you Johnny Bognor in disguise and just keen to tell us how much you know as you both share a very self-congratulatory tone and so far I've not been able to fathom why that is.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Your problem 19/Sundance is when you put forward a reasoned post everyone laughs at you for previous tosspot comments.

 

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[chrisobee]

Le Tiss????

 

Of course Le Tiss crossed my mind but I find it very hard to really class him as a midfield player. If one did then it is no contest ( no one comes close!) but Armstrong was certainly a genuine midfield player who was brilliant at making runs from midfield, the goal v Man Utd was a great example of that. So for me it is hard to compare two players whose roles within the team were so different and I don't think there is any argument Le Tiss had a much freer role.

[miserableoldgit]

No I don't know for certain and that's the problem and neither am I making assumptions. I listen to the media and read what get's said in the papers as we all do but it's a fool who simply takes everything at face value.

 

Unless it's been answered elsewhere I would like to know if Crouch was an unconditional benefactor or if funds were given with terms attached. Shouldn't be to difficult ot prove if anyone so desired but personally I couldn't care less as I prefer to keep an open an mind and concentrate on the future as Crouch is history IMO.

But you didn`t hear Frys interview or see the printed version in the Echo. How convenient.

[um pahars]

Well, at least you've nailed that Sundance Beast and Nineteen Canteen are the same person:D

 

Sundance Beast recalling how he got "Fashanu" all wrong a while back.

 

Hello Tame, glad I got your week of to a good start and hopefully put a smile on your face. It made me smile as well and hopefully its still a decent human trait to be able laugh at yourself once in a while even though I doubt a few on here can admit to being able to do just that. The Fashanu joke is a good one and yes and I did forget he had died but remembered as soon as you mentioned it

 

And then Nineteen Canteen carries on the story:rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

I have trouble Um recollecting events in my not so distant personal life so hardly surprising I can't remember the tragic circumstances of a player

 

Wasn't embarrassing for me Um . Why? Do you profess to know everything and forgotten nothing?

 

My memory is very poor especially compared to yours as you are never wrong and know everything except the meaning of the word magnanimity.

 

And then from the rude and aggressive PM's you sent a load of us, you were also the legendary Flashman At The Charge and Third Bear (have I missed out any others???).

 

And what about the new one, The Speculator???

 

 

You're quite right in that your memory isn't very good, but then again when you're talking so much bullshtt, I suppose it must be hard to keep up with it all;)

[Johnny Bognor]

Well, at least you've nailed that Sundance Beast and Nineteen Canteen are the same person:D

 

Sundance Beast recalling how he got "Fashanu" all wrong a while back.

 

 

 

And then Nineteen Canteen carries on the story:rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

 

 

And then from the rude and aggressive PM's you sent a load of us, you were also the legendary Flashman At The Charge and Third Bear (have I missed out any others???).

 

And what about the new one, The Speculator???

 

 

You're quite right in that your memory isn't very good, but then again when you're talking so much bullshtt, I suppose it must be hard to keep up with it all;)

 

Well I've got a good memory and I am finding it hard to keep up with it all.

 

I have to thank the mods for the transformer smilie......

 

:smt032

 

The question is, was the smilie developed due to the recent film release or is it more for those posters who transform from one into another?

 

Perhaps a new sequel could be "Transformers, posters in Disguise". It features a bloke who rides around on a shopping bike (perhaps we can get James May to play the lead role). Then when overcome by incessant jealousy and envy, he transforms into this rather nasty poster on the internet. But, as fellow posters on the forum cotton on to his real identity, he morphs into another poster. However, his trademark bile, bull**** and trolling are a dead giveaway and it is not that difficult for the good guys to track him down. The film only ends when all of his personas are banned altogether.

Edited 19 July, 2009 by Johnny Bognor