explorer saint Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 So anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view is automatically a Lowe Luvvie (and not entitled to an opinion, and therefore (by the inference you make) not a true fan unlike "some posters/fans" who are the "life" of the mighty saints? Rational and Mature. Maybe some just don't like a drink driving (sorry, Barbican swilling) 'figurehead' who's failed/quit every professional team (England under Graham Taylor, Nord Ireland) since he walked out on us the first time for his 'Spiritul home' (a phrase often used by self aggrandising bull****ters apparently) of Sunderland (not the second when he fell out with that devilish Rupert character from the past, the one so evil that Lawrie Couldn't bear to keep the dirty dirty shares he had gained from the reverse takeover, and swapped it instead for lots of filthy filthy money). And before anyone asks why I 'just believe what I heard', I've had the good fortune to meet both Ted Bates and Lawrie, most notably at the 'last do at the Dell', where Ted Bates was arguably more muble, with a quiet dignity about hime' whereas lawrie seemed intent on inserting himself into as many photo ops as possible. Personally, I couldn't give a **** if Mc-money-to-me has a painting of himself hanging in the boardroom, or there's a picture of a train there. I'm much more concerned with seeing the Ted Bates Trophy back in the cabinet by the end of the day, signalling a bright new era for saints. Entitled to your opinion but also met up with Lawrie at the 'last dinner on the dell pitch' must say Lawrie was the perfect gent that night, he shook my hand coming out of the loo after he had washed his hands, I thanked him for winning us the FA cup and mentioned that I was there, he of course said you don't look enough. Thanks Lawrie you're a mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Don't tell me, shock horror, successful football manager acts in an egotistical manner and throws his weight around whilst working in an era where the industry was awash with under the counter payments. You really can be a very silly little man, can't you! If only it were that bland. Although I do retract the offer of telling you as I do not think you have the capacity to deal with what I would have told you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 So anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view is automatically a Lowe Luvvie (and not entitled to an opinion, and therefore (by the inference you make) not a true fan unlike "some posters/fans" who are the "life" of the mighty saints? Rational and Mature. Maybe some just don't like a drink driving (sorry, Barbican swilling) 'figurehead' who's failed/quit every professional team (England under Graham Taylor, Nord Ireland) since he walked out on us the first time for his 'Spiritul home' (a phrase often used by self aggrandising bull****ters apparently) of Sunderland (not the second when he fell out with that devilish Rupert character from the past, the one so evil that Lawrie Couldn't bear to keep the dirty dirty shares he had gained from the reverse takeover, and swapped it instead for lots of filthy filthy money). And before anyone asks why I 'just believe what I heard', I've had the good fortune to meet both Ted Bates and Lawrie, most notably at the 'last do at the Dell', where Ted Bates was arguably more muble, with a quiet dignity about hime' whereas lawrie seemed intent on inserting himself into as many photo ops as possible. Personally, I couldn't give a **** if Mc-money-to-me has a painting of himself hanging in the boardroom, or there's a picture of a train there. I'm much more concerned with seeing the Ted Bates Trophy back in the cabinet by the end of the day, signalling a bright new era for saints. I am studying at The University of life and specifically on the subject of Luvvies....considered a world expert....I know what you are:smt022 I know the difference between Lowe Luvvies:tfrag: and Lawrie and Leon Luvvies:smt054........I am not sure of the difference between Rational and Mature....Mind you Lowey was very irrational and the two great men were very mature.....Very much opinion based.:tfrag: I am sure you will agree some of us posters are full of shiiiiiite!!!!But with my support the team and even your goodself will improve.:-k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 You really can be a very silly little man, can't you! If only it were that bland. Although I do retract the offer of telling you as I do not think you have the capacity to deal with what I would have told you. Hmmm.....get her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Hmmm.....get her. A few years back I was driving home across Exmoor and got caught up in a fox hunt all across the lane. I stopped and the next thing i knew there was a tw*t on horse telling me to 'get out of the bloody way, you silly little man' as he wacked my van roof with his riding crop! Since hunting has been banned perhaps he has taken to posting on football websites!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 A few years back I was driving home across Exmoor and got caught up in a fox hunt all across the lane. I stopped and the next thing i knew there was a tw*t on horse telling me to 'get out of the bloody way, you silly little man' as he wacked my van roof with his riding crop! Since hunting has been banned perhaps he has taken to posting on football websites!! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Hmmm.....get her. In real life he's actually a very pleasant man (Richard, that is). I just don't get his rabid anti Lawrie stance. I fully accept that Lawrie has the ego the size of a house and that since his halcyon days as manager maybe he has sometimes put himself before the Club, but I just think Richard's (and a few others) vociferous attacks aren't balanced. I may be wrong (and am happy to stand corrected), but given their ferocity, I wouldn't be surprised that the venom is for some other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 I am studying at The University of life and specifically on the subject of Luvvies....considered a world expert....I know what you are:smt022 I know the difference between Lowe Luvvies:tfrag: and Lawrie and Leon Luvvies:smt054........I am not sure of the difference between Rational and Mature....Mind you Lowey was very irrational and the two great men were very mature.....Very much opinion based.:tfrag: I am sure you will agree some of us posters are full of shiiiiiite!!!!But with my support the team and even your goodself will improve.:-k does maturity include using lots of immature emotions??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 You're easily pleased if you think scanning the front page of a message board is "such lengths". Maybe it's the lack of "such length" in your pants that makes you crave the attention on here;) It's down to 8 now with this post. :smt054After that last post, you can have all 9 threads:smt054 What the hell has any of this to do with the thread :smt102. Try using pm's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 does maturity include using lots of immature emotions??? immature emotions:-# You should see me at games trying to get the side to play...:smt065 I luv these crayons...jonah and GM would be sooo proud of me.:smt032 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 immature emotions:-# You should see me at games trying to get the side to play...:smt065 I luv these crayons...jonah and GM would be sooo proud of me.:smt032 its probably my jealosy as i dont know how to post them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 its probably my jealosy as i dont know how to post them I will try to teach you all the words of OWTSGMI:D:rolleyes::smt065:smt032 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 I will try to teach you all the words of OWTSGMI:D:rolleyes::smt065:smt032 O double you tee O double you tee O double you tee ess gee em eye Easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 I will try to teach you all the words of OWTSGMI:D:rolleyes::smt065:smt032 did you notice the warm applause LM gave ML when he was introduced to the crowd...not LC was giving a very good round of it.I hope he is not too wounded by the events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 There was very pleasant applause For Sir Leon Crouch.....Most of the true fans RESPECT a true Saints Gentleman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Originally Posted by up and away Those qualities which made him effective as a manager made him totally unbearable when DOF. When Alan Ball was asked about working with him as DOF he said he was an absolute nightmare, with the only thing noticeable that he would never of picked a certain player on the team sheet. John McGrath was so happy with him he wanted to give him a special kiss. And the guy behind me who asked Terry Paine if Lawrie had a forward in his book at the signing should have been far more careful. So now we've gone from every player who has worked with him not having anything good to say about him, to Bally commenting on him about his stint as a DOF, and Paine, whose strained relationship with Lawrie has been public knowledge for almost 40 years, being held up as a justification of your carte blanche claim. Well done. Only slightly moving the goalposts there then LOL. You stupid boy Pike. I have always consistently stated that what LM did as manager is truly worthy of praise and can think of no better manager we have had. Again consistently said is that those same qualities which made him so effective as a manager, proved an absolute nightmare to his subsequent dealings at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 You stupid boy Pike. I have always consistently stated that what LM did as manager is truly worthy of praise and can think of no better manager we have had. Again consistently said is that those same qualities which made him so effective as a manager, proved an absolute nightmare to his subsequent dealings at Saints. So why did you say: I don't know of any ex player who has worked with him, that have a good word to say about him. In fact some would rather take his head off than shake his hand I can only presume you don't know many ex-players;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Billionaire takes over club, optimism and feel good factor sweeps St Marys.... And we still have the same anti McMenmy bull**** that has dragged this board down and down... Christ almighty, you mention Lowe on here and people leap onto the their high horse and advise us that he's the past and that one section of the fanbase is obsessed; usually whilst posting page after page of anti McMenmy bile. He's just a fan now, he gave us some of our greatest memories as Saints fans... Just cut him some slack and let it go...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 I'll do you a deal, Daren. I'll stop posting my opinion if you stop posting yours. Your call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 I'll do you a deal, Daren. I'll stop posting my opinion if you stop posting yours. Your call. lol, good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 lol, good post. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Billionaire takes over club, optimism and feel good factor sweeps St Marys.... And we still have the same anti McMenmy bull**** that has dragged this board down and down... Christ almighty, you mention Lowe on here and people leap onto the their high horse and advise us that he's the past and that one section of the fanbase is obsessed; usually whilst posting page after page of anti McMenmy bile. He's just a fan now, he gave us some of our greatest memories as Saints fans... Just cut him some slack and let it go...... agreed cannot be many clubs where your most successful manager is not welcome by some of the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Lawrie Mac gave Saints our only FA Cup win, established us a top flight club, gave us our highest ever league finish, brought the european footballer of the year to play in one of the most exciting footballing sides of their time. I don't give a flying **** what he did after his 12 years with us. Anybody who resents his being in the directors box and quoting to the media about Saints is both brainless and blind, and probably suffering from some sort of attention seeking disorder. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Lawrie Mac gave Saints our only FA Cup win, established us a top flight club, gave us our highest ever league finish, brought the european footballer of the year to play in one of the most exciting footballing sides of their time. I don't give a flying **** what he did after his 12 years with us. Anybody who resents his being in the directors box and quoting to the media about Saints is both brainless and blind, and probably suffering from some sort of attention seeking disorder. Fact. Indeed but doesn't this always happen on here. I'm sure you are right about people seeking attention though I'd advise most to seek medical attention TBH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 agreed cannot be many clubs where your most successful manager is not welcome by some of the fans Struggling to think of any others in truth ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 I'll do you a deal, Daren. I'll stop posting my opinion if you stop posting yours. Your call. Wow, incisive debate at its best... The rest of us have moved on Richard, it's a shame you're still trudging out the same boring anti McMenmy crap... Lowe has gone, McMenemy is no longer paid anything by the club, the club has a new owner, it's a new era.... ffs give it a rest... It's boring.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Struggling to think of any others in truth ! i am sure Nineteen with his great football knowledge or his "mate" Sundance will know of some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 i am sure Nineteen with his great football knowledge or his "mate" Sundance will know of some Lol, No need for sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Lawrie Mac gave Saints our only FA Cup win, established us a top flight club, gave us our highest ever league finish, brought the european footballer of the year to play in one of the most exciting footballing sides of their time. I don't give a flying **** what he did after his 12 years with us. Anybody who resents his being in the directors box and quoting to the media about Saints is both brainless and blind, and probably suffering from some sort of attention seeking disorder. Fact. +1.Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 Lawrie Mac gave Saints our only FA Cup win, established us a top flight club, gave us our highest ever league finish, brought the european footballer of the year to play in one of the most exciting footballing sides of their time. I don't give a flying **** what he did after his 12 years with us. Anybody who resents his being in the directors box and quoting to the media about Saints is both brainless and blind, and probably suffering from some sort of attention seeking disorder. Fact. It does make you laugh that he can moan about Lawrie being in the directors box yet conveniently fails to spot three of the directors who were around during the time of the reverse takeover that was the catalast to us ending up in the mire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 19 July, 2009 Share Posted 19 July, 2009 It does make you laugh that he can moan about Lawrie being in the directors box yet conveniently fails to spot three of the directors who were around during the time of the reverse takeover that was the catalast to us ending up in the mire. doubt if he would know who they were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Wow, incisive debate at its best... ffs give it a rest... It's boring.. LOL. I'll take that as a 'no', then. Look, I didn't start the McMenemy thread. But if it comes up and I happen to stumble into it, then I will post what I think. A bit like you do, Daren. I'm all for him having a seat; I'm glad he's off of the Board; I am uncomfortable with the 'kindly uncle' image the media like to connect him to with Southampton FC. Pure & simple. Because kindly and benevolent towards this club he has not been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Five pages, and no-one actually listened to what LM had to say on Talksport. And no-one knows what he said. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Five pages, and no-one actually listened to what LM had to say on Talksport. And no-one knows what he said. LOL he never said anything about saints...the phone line on the show was poor and they ran out of time..:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 LOL. I'll take that as a 'no', then. Look, I didn't start the McMenemy thread. But if it comes up and I happen to stumble into it, then I will post what I think. A bit like you do, Daren. I'm all for him having a seat; I'm glad he's off of the Board; I am uncomfortable with the 'kindly uncle' image the media like to connect him to with Southampton FC. Pure & simple. Because kindly and benevolent towards this club he has not been. Has he been stalking the streets of Woolston again, making it unsafe for you to walk them? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Because kindly and benevolent towards this club he has not been.Much as it irks me to bump this useless thread, could you expand on this please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 (edited) Dont have an issue with either Lawrie or Crouch in the Directors box - As guests of whoever... Crouch did what he thought was best for the club and was generous with it - It did not agree with everything he did and cant say I ever warmed to him, but that takes nothing away from his contribution and the knowledge that he would have believed he was doing the right thing. With Lawrie there is lot of water under the bridge - his achivements can never be tarnished because they stand in the record books and for that he should be fondly remembered... but as he did enter the politics and nail his colours to the mast, he CAN be quizzed and questioned as to his thoughts and opinion on those matters - you enter the game, you have to accept not all will agree, especially as his opinion is sought by the media and because of his legacy he has a high profile... Its because of the high profile that those who may not necessarily agree will be more vocal... The only thing I would say is that maybe he would have been better to stay out of it all in recent years. I am sure Ted would have had a few words to say about times during his last few years, but he maintained a dignified silence and thus retained his justifiably 'elder statesmen' of the game tag. For those who have recently disagreed with him (Lawrie), it would have been nicer to just be able to think of him purely for what he achieved. With a brighter future, and hopefully less pollitical rows to come, it should mean we can all go back to just remembering him for what he contributed to SFC on the pitch and this debate become redundant? Edited 20 July, 2009 by Frank's cousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 but as he did enter the politics and nail his colours to the mast, he CAN be quizzed and questioned as to his thoughts and opinion on those matters - you enter the game, you have to accept not all will agree.... The only thing I would say is that maybe he would have been better to stay out of it all in recent years. I am sure Ted would have had a few words to say about times during his last few years, but he maintained a dignified silence and thus retained his justifiably 'elder statesmen' of the game tag. I think Lawrie did indeed have a choice. He could have maintained what some would call a dignified silence in order to keep his reputation intact, or he could have broken that silence with the view that he was not willing to idly sit by and see the Club decline. There are merits (and faults) in both approaches, but I also agree that after breaking his silence and dipping his foot in the water, he then allows himself open to questioning. No problem with that at all, and that's the price he should have to pay for involving himself in the nitty gritty. But there is a world of difference between questioning his role & decisions, and some of thecriticism and accusations levelled on here (and that's before we get on to the multiple identified mentalist, Sundance/Flashman LOL;)). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 But there is a world of difference between questioning his role & decisions, and some of thecriticism and accusations levelled on here (and that's before we get on to the multiple identified mentalist, Sundance/Flashman LOL;)). I was going to say that you have to stay off the :rolleyes:... and instead you should be using :smt032:smt032 when refering to our mutual friend. However, as he thinks we are one in the same, I would suggest the :smt032:rolleyes::smt032:rolleyes: approach as it covers all angles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Dont have an issue with either Lawrie or Crouch in the Directors box - As guests of whoever... Crouch did what he thought was best for the club and was generous with it - It did not agree with everything he did and cant say I ever warmed to him, but that takes nothing away from his contribution and the knowledge that he would have believed he was doing the right thing. With Lawrie there is lot of water under the bridge - his achivements can never be tarnished because they stand in the record books and for that he should be fondly remembered... but as he did enter the politics and nail his colours to the mast, he CAN be quizzed and questioned as to his thoughts and opinion on those matters - you enter the game, you have to accept not all will agree, especially as his opinion is sought by the media and because of his legacy he has a high profile... Its because of the high profile that those who may not necessarily agree will be more vocal... The only thing I would say is that maybe he would have been better to stay out of it all in recent years. I am sure Ted would have had a few words to say about times during his last few years, but he maintained a dignified silence and thus retained his justifiably 'elder statesmen' of the game tag. For those who have recently disagreed with him (Lawrie), it would have been nicer to just be able to think of him purely for what he achieved. With a brighter future, and hopefully less pollitical rows to come, it should mean we can all go back to just remembering him for what he contributed to SFC on the pitch and this debate become redundant? totally agree except for I wonder if evenTed would have kept his own counsel over the last 2 years shambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 he never said anything about saints...the phone line on the show was poor and they ran out of time..:cool: Thanks Nothing controversial then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicMan Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Imo. I have never had a problem with Lawrie. I have met him several times always been a complete gent and had a laugh with him. He was great for the club and rightly will go down in history as a great manager. I think some people had a small problem with him when the club fell out of the premiership and started to feel the pinch money wise. At this time there were still several Directors and others taking money out of the club which we could not afford. Now we have our new owners and money may not be so tight I’m more than happy to have Lawrie back onboard again to help the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 totally agree except for I wonder if evenTed would have kept his own counsel over the last 2 years shambles After Ted stepped down, had the Directors run the club in the same manner as Lowe, and all Ted's achievements were swept under the carpet. Had the Club slipped back to the league Ted took us from with the directors poisioning the Club, and trashing everything the Club stood for, I've no doubt Ted would have said something. You have to have a big ego to Manage people like Bally and KK, and Lawrie's was as big as anyone's.We would not have signed the players we did, or played in the style we did, without Lawrie's ego. To have Lowe luvvies on here complaining about someone's ego, strikes me as a bit ironic. At least Lawrie's ego brought us Keegan, Ball, Osgood and Shilton. Lowe's brought us Wiggley, Portfliet, Woodward and Clifford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Lawrie sat on the football board, which had no powers regarding remuneration. If he was earning money as is stated, it is because he was offered money by the plc board for work they wanted him to carry out. It is ironic that posters on this board wish that he had maintained a 'dignified silence'. I certainly don't, but admire him for having spoken his mind. He did so the first time when Graeme Souness left, and RL hated him ever since to the point of obsession. I admire people ho maintain their integrity and speak their minds. To stay silent only benefits those in power. I am flabbergasted at those on here who keep sidling up to those who ruined this club to the point of extinction. Your time has thankfully passed. It's time to leave this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Lawrie sat on the football board, which had no powers regarding remuneration. If he was earning money as is stated, it is because he was offered money by the plc board for work they wanted him to carry out. It is ironic that posters on this board wish that he had maintained a 'dignified silence'. I certainly don't, but admire him for having spoken his mind. He did so the first time when Graeme Souness left, and RL hated him ever since to the point of obsession. I admire people ho maintain their integrity and speak their minds. To stay silent only benefits those in power. I am flabbergasted at those on here who keep sidling up to those who ruined this club to the point of extinction. Your time has thankfully passed. It's time to leave this club. I wholeheartedly concur. Chickens continue to run about or twitch for minutes after they are beheaded and this is akin to what we are witnessing on here with all the Loweites. Hopefully, they will soon tire of it, I predict shortly after the start of the new season, when there will be other more important things to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 You have to have a big ego to Manage people like Bally and KK, and Lawrie's was as big as anyone's.We would not have signed the players we did, or played in the style we did, without Lawrie's ego. To have Lowe luvvies on here complaining about someone's ego, strikes me as a bit ironic. At least Lawrie's ego brought us Keegan, Ball, Osgood and Shilton. Lowe's brought us Wiggley, Portfliet, Woodward and Clifford. You are correct. And people who complain about Laurie's ego are wimps. We will never get anywhere again without big personalities in charge. Sure they have to have the other skills too. But our players have run the show as they want it for too long. And it's been easy for them with our recent batch of dolefully weak managers. Even Burley lacked the self-discipline and the character to impose a tough training regime, and he certainly had issues with some of the players. Lowe did not have the guts to work with big characters who could challenge him, so he appointed spineless 'yes men' to coach his teams. And not surprising they had real difficulty in attracting top players. The rest is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I wholeheartedly concur. Chickens continue to run about or twitch for minutes after they are beheaded and this is akin to what we are witnessing on here with all the Loweites. Hopefully, they will soon tire of it, I predict shortly after the start of the new season, when there will be other more important things to discuss. Thanks Wes. Personally I would like Lawrie to be honoured with some symbolic position at the club. President would have been the obvious one if RL hadn't given it to John Mortimore out of sheer spite. I haven't got a problem with JM, though, so I don't suggest him to be de-thrones. MLT also ought to have some role at the club, but there is plenty of time for that, he is still young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 totally agree except for I wonder if evenTed would have kept his own counsel over the last 2 years shambles Its an interesting point - although as president Ted had no real Power, I bet he still had a strong influence in teh boardroom and also in the 'culture' of the club... perhaps its no coincidence that after his death, is when things started to slowly decline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I'm wondering just what heinous crime LM committed for people to give him stick but then some people just love to slag off our all time greats ( even MLT of course). Credit to Micky Channon for keeping well out of it, I suspect he knew the consequences of getting involved with the club after his playing days though of course he was able to turn his hand to his real profession rather than remaining involved with his hobby. Smart man our Micky, still want a knighthood for him, he deserves it more than 1000's of people who have been awarded it though bless him I think he might find being called Sir Michael a bit embarrassing ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Lawrie sat on the football board, which had no powers regarding remuneration. If he was earning money as is stated, it is because he was offered money by the plc board for work they wanted him to carry out. It is ironic that posters on this board wish that he had maintained a 'dignified silence'. I certainly don't, but admire him for having spoken his mind. He did so the first time when Graeme Souness left, and RL hated him ever since to the point of obsession. I admire people ho maintain their integrity and speak their minds. To stay silent only benefits those in power. I am flabbergasted at those on here who keep sidling up to those who ruined this club to the point of extinction. Your time has thankfully passed. It's time to leave this club. The thing about speaking your mind is that you have to at least remain calm and accurate if you want to a) appeal to all and b) maintain credibilty... and just because you happen to agree with what he has said does not mean everyone does... he fell into that urban myth trap for example with the 'where has all the money gone' rhetoric on radio when a review of the audited accounts would have provided a more detailed response than the schophants nodding 'wisely' in the media? Thats why he would have been better to stay out of it... Not quite sure what you mean by the last sentance... very feckin arrogant if you are implying that those who in effect dont agree with you are not welcome as fans - if thats what you mean, its the likes of you we can do without, because The new era is about inclusiveness and togetherness, not this ongoing divisive boll ox... dont you get the VERY simple fact that fans can have different opinions on these issues? Its called 'Grown Up' debate and is based on reason and common sense..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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