Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 17 July, 2009 Posted 17 July, 2009 When are some people going to start looking to the future instead of dwelling on the past? LM did a great job for us, but that was 30 years ago. We are a completely different club now. Football has changed and I'm not convinced that somebody who did a great job 30 years ago has much to offer these days.
sotonjoe Posted 17 July, 2009 Posted 17 July, 2009 When are some people going to start looking to the future instead of dwelling on the past? LM did a great job for us, but that was 30 years ago. We are a completely different club now. Football has changed and I'm not convinced that somebody who did a great job 30 years ago has much to offer these days. :smt054 Your eyes are a lovely colour.
St_Tel49 Posted 17 July, 2009 Posted 17 July, 2009 Misread again Alps. It's turned into another 'pathetic excuse' for Lawrie worship as we've all been told that we must tune in to listen to him on the radio or else we're disrespecting him. Try reading carefully before engaging that potty mouth of yours next time though eh? I don't think that anyone said you had to listen. The poster was just making people aware than LM was on. You, of course, were perfectly entitled not to listen but why you felt that you had to proclaim the fact by coming on to the thread to indulge in a long round of totally pointless arguments is beyond me. I have formed the opinion over the last couple of days that you are yet another WUM.
The Fat Controller Posted 17 July, 2009 Posted 17 July, 2009 time to move on guys SFC is a living thing - no disrespect to Lawrie or Matt le Tiss but this is a new chapter of history. Tiss and Lawrie Mac are part of our great club's history and should stay there, we need to grip reality of being minus 10 points in the 3rd division of English football. This is reality and we welcome SFC Markus Liebherr and Alan Pardew with open arms and wish them good luck in trying to re-build our once great club
Nineteen Canteen Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 If I had the option of a picture of a train or one of LM for my office wall, I'd go with the train. I would go with a picture of LM and buy some darts. Why? Because he is to date our greatest manager but IMO has used up all the good will that he earned in that role by some his poisonous comments about how the club was being run and taking sides when frankly he should have been a diplomat and arbitrator. We should also not forget that after his time as manager and failure at Sunderland he was welcomed back and for many years was allegedly well looked after financially with alleged claims that would make an MP blush. IMO McMenemy post his managerial role took more than he gave and a very good greeter and shaker he may have been but ambassador in the true meaning or the word he was not. As always this is just my humble opinion before Gaffer, Scally and co start chucking out the legalise.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 (edited) time to move on guys SFC is a living thing - no disrespect to Lawrie or Matt le Tiss but this is a new chapter of history. Tiss and Lawrie Mac are part of our great club's history and should stay there, we need to grip reality of being minus 10 points in the 3rd division of English football. This is reality and we welcome SFC Markus Liebherr and Alan Pardew with open arms and wish them good luck in trying to re-build our once great club Hallelujah! We don't need old names from our past to experience halcyon days in the future even though they may have helped deliver some happy memories. IMO, history should dictate that anyone in our recent past who has meddled with club matters be they legends, those less than legendary (Dave Armstrong, Gordon Strachan, Paul Tisdale, anyone with a surname of Dennis, Kevin Keegan etc) rich fans, or ex directors should buy a ticket if they want to remain in touch with the club. Beyond that, their contribution and opinions should not be sought. Welcome to the 21st Century almost 10 years to late. The club is beginning to show signs of being well run and those who want to rock the boat......:smt039 Edited 18 July, 2009 by Nineteen Canteen Didn't make sense to Chrisobee and he was probably right
chrisobee Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Hallelujah! We don't need ghosts from the past to experience some new halcyon days in the future that those rooted in our past may have delivered. IMO history should dictate that any legends who have meddled with club matters, those less than legendary (Dave Armstrong, Gordon Strachan, Paul Tisdale, anyone with a surname of Dennis, Kevin Keegan etc) rich fans, or ex directors should buy a ticket if they want to remain in touch with the club and beyond that their contribution should not be sought. Welcome to the 21st Century almost 10 years to late. The club is beginning to show signs of being well run and those who want to rock the boat......:smt039 Either you have been drinking or I have as that post makes no sense to me at all ! :smt102
Nineteen Canteen Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Either you have been drinking or I have as that post makes no sense to me at all ! :smt102 Don't drink, but had a 6 hour round trip to Essex this evening courtesy of M25 hell and about a litre of Red Bull to keep me awake from the sheer boredom and now can't sleep and probably thinking gibberish. I will have another look and let you know.
chrisobee Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Don't drink, but had a 6 hour round trip to Essex this evening courtesy of M25 hell and about a litre of Red Bull to keep me awake from the sheer boredom and now can't sleep and probably thinking gibberish. I will have another look and let you know. No I don't drink either so I thought it must have been you ! Not anthing like the standard of nonsense Stkip used to post at this time of night to be fair!
Nineteen Canteen Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Either you have been drinking or I have as that post makes no sense to me at all ! :smt102 No you're right, probably not my most efficacious post.
chrisobee Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 No you're right, probably not my most efficacious post. I'm always right, aren't we all
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 We should also not forget that after his time as manager and failure at Sunderland he was welcomed back and for many years was allegedly well looked after financially with alleged claims that would make an MP blush. Only a speculator would put so many "allegeds" in one post.
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Nobody will ever accuse you of being classy and gracious, will they? Not when it comes to parasites, no.
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Not when it comes to parasites, no. He's really pssed you off!!!!! Did he bang an ex-girlfriend of yours back in the 80's????? Let it go fella, otherwise it will eat you up;)
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 He's really pssed you off!!!!! Did he bang an ex-girlfriend of yours back in the 80's????? Let it go fella, otherwise it will eat you up;) Let me assure you it does not cost me one second's sleep. I was enjoying how you had popped up about every third post on this thread, trying to stifle any opinion contrary to yours. A bit like the Woggy thread. And as for your list of names who have supported LM, well that is just hilarious. I know 2 of them well - very well. When I next see you, I'll give you some truths - if you can face it.
Wes Tender Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 If I had the option of a picture of a train or one of LM for my office wall, I'd go with the train. Why? Are you a bit of an Anorak? Would you rather be standing on the bridge over the railway on a Saturday afternoon, notebook in hand?
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Let me assure you it does not cost me one second's sleep. I was enjoying how you had popped up about every third post on this thread, trying to stifle any opinion contrary to yours. A bit like the Woggy thread. And as for your list of names who have supported LM, well that is just hilarious. I know 2 of them well - very well. When I next see you, I'll give you some truths - if you can face it. You do seem rather angst whenever his name is mentioned!! With regards stifling debate, it's not like you to over react now is it (last time I checked, I didn't have the power of deleting others posts) I will await with interest how the two you know will not even have one good thing to say about him and how they will want to take his head off. Don't tell me, shock horror, successful football manager acts in an egotistical manner and throws his weight around whilst working in an era where the industry was awash with under the counter payments.
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 I don't think that anyone said you had to listen. The poster was just making people aware than LM was on. You, of course, were perfectly entitled not to listen but why you felt that you had to proclaim the fact by coming on to the thread to indulge in a long round of totally pointless arguments is beyond me. I have formed the opinion over the last couple of days that you are yet another WUM. you need to reread the thread as you've clearly failed to grasp the order of events ... op = lawrie's on the radio me = i've no interest in listening to what he has to say somebody else = why on earth not me= my most recent memory of him is in all those bitter boardroom shenanigans and I never want any of those people chipping in with a word or two ever again the lawrie fanclub = HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT OUR GREATEST MANAGER WHO EVER LIVED? WE SHALL LISTEN TO HIS WORDS FOREVER MORE.
Wes Tender Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 I don't think that anyone said you had to listen. The poster was just making people aware than LM was on. You, of course, were perfectly entitled not to listen but why you felt that you had to proclaim the fact by coming on to the thread to indulge in a long round of totally pointless arguments is beyond me. I have formed the opinion over the last couple of days that you are yet another WUM. Agreed. I don't have much recollection of sotonjoe's presence on here until quite recently and all of a sudden he's all over the place like a rash; appropriate word really, as rash also describes much of what he says too.
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Agreed. I don't have much recollection of sotonjoe's presence on here until quite recently and all of a sudden he's all over the place like a rash; appropriate word really, as rash also describes much of what he says too. no excuses from you my boy as the answer was staring you in the face... you need to reread the thread as you've clearly failed to grasp the order of events ... op = lawrie's on the radio me = i've no interest in listening to what he has to say somebody else = why on earth not me= my most recent memory of him is in all those bitter boardroom shenanigans and I never want any of those people chipping in with a word or two ever again the lawrie fanclub = HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT OUR GREATEST MANAGER WHO EVER LIVED? WE SHALL LISTEN TO HIS WORDS FOREVER MORE.
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 no excuses from you my boy as the answer was staring you in the face... Has he managed to find the link then??? Come one Wes, share it around;)
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Has he managed to find the link then??? Come one Wes, share it around;) You are so funny Um ... now I know why you got your nickname.
Wes Tender Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 no excuses from you my boy as the answer was staring you in the face... you need to reread the thread as you've clearly failed to grasp the order of events ... op = lawrie's on the radio me = i've no interest in listening to what he has to say somebody else = why on earth not me= my most recent memory of him is in all those bitter boardroom shenanigans and I never want any of those people chipping in with a word or two ever again the lawrie fanclub = HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT OUR GREATEST MANAGER WHO EVER LIVED? WE SHALL LISTEN TO HIS WORDS FOREVER MORE. This is precisely the response given to another post just above. Is it some macho thing with you, attempting to gain some sort of posting record in the shortest period of time? It's often the case that the faster a river flows, the shallower it is.
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 This is precisely the response given to another post just above. Is it some macho thing with you, attempting to gain some sort of posting record in the shortest period of time? It's often the case that the faster a river flows, the shallower it is. You failed to read the post the first time and posted something which showed that was so. I thought it might help you if it was posted twice. If you wish to get involved in the discussion then do so, if you wish to have a childish (or macho as you call it) slanging match, go somewhere else.
Wes Tender Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 You failed to read the post the first time and posted something which showed that was so. I thought it might help you if it was posted twice. If you wish to get involved in the discussion then do so, if you wish to have a childish (or macho as you call it) slanging match, go somewhere else. I think that whenever sotonjoe posts ad nauseum, we ought to just end the debate there and then. It would be funny waiting to see how long it would take for him to post asking why nobody had any further opinions.
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 I think that whenever sotonjoe posts ad nauseum, we ought to just end the debate there and then. It would be funny waiting to see how long it would take for him to post asking why nobody had any further opinions. That would be hilarious!
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 So he was there, declaring we would get relegated with Poortvleit in charge . how so? uhm...because we got relegated...as said, most could have predicted the same but quoting him when he was actually right in his prediction does not make sense
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 I think that whenever sotonjoe posts ad nauseum, we ought to just end the debate there and then. It would be funny waiting to see how long it would take for him to post asking why nobody had any further opinions. I think we should just send him looking for links that don't exist:D
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 I think we should just send him looking for links that don't exist:D Um! You ruined Wes's game!
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Um! You ruined Wes's game! Have you found out who "Guy" is yet ?
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 uhm...because we got relegated...as said, most could have predicted the same but quoting him when he was actually right in his prediction does not make sense it does if you understand the discussion! Besides, we didn't get relegated with Poortvleit in charge anyway! My point there was that Lawrie was reportedly standing up in front of a room full of crowded people, inc members of the public present due to owning a few shares in SFC, and Jan himself, directing a tirade at Lowe and declaring that SFC would get relegated with "that man" [Jan] in charge. Some people will say they agree with what he was saying, but that's neither here nor there. I'm more interested in the way in which he conducted himself there. It seems aggressive, very offensive to our then current manager and overly emotive. For his wife to then chip in about some silly painting and turn the whole thing into a farce, while our club was slowing being ripped to shreds, is abosolutely ridiculous. Whilst those with power should have been doing there best to formulate a plan that would have given us the best chance of survival for the season, they were too busy arguing, and communication had clearly broken down to the extent that nobody was helping to stabilise the situation. Moreover, by playing their part in the squabbles, all present were continuing to destabilise the club. That's what I was showing, but Um is still waiting for the audio transcript before he makes up his mind. He doesn't believe Lawrie did anything.
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Um is still waiting for the audio transcript before he makes up his mind. But when you said it doesn't matter, I stopped looking/waiting!!! Should I carry on or doesn't it matter??
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 But when you said it doesn't matter, I stopped looking/waiting!!! Should I carry on or doesn't it matter?? You can answer my question about whether you feel the account of events given in the written report is valid, or if it completely contradicts your recollection of events.
Wes Tender Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 it does if you understand the discussion! Besides, we didn't get relegated with Poortvleit in charge anyway! My point there was that Lawrie was reportedly standing up in front of a room full of crowded people, inc members of the public present due to owning a few shares in SFC, and Jan himself, directing a tirade at Lowe and declaring that SFC would get relegated with "that man" [Jan] in charge. Some people will say they agree with what he was saying, but that's neither here nor there. I'm more interested in the way in which he conducted himself there. It seems aggressive, very offensive to our then current manager and overly emotive. For his wife to then chip in about some silly painting and turn the whole thing into a farce, while our club was slowing being ripped to shreds, is abosolutely ridiculous. Whilst those with power should have been doing there best to formulate a plan that would have given us the best chance of survival for the season, they were too busy arguing, and communication had clearly broken down to the extent that nobody was helping to stabilise the situation. Moreover, by playing their part in the squabbles, all present were continuing to destabilise the club. That's what I was showing, but Um is still waiting for the audio transcript before he makes up his mind. He doesn't believe Lawrie did anything. Well, I was there at that AGM and fully support Lawrie's opinion and his right to express that opinion. Were you there? If not, then it is surely difficult to express an opinion on the meeting or the behaviour of those there. Most people in the room agreed with what he said. Had you been there, then you would have realised that the whole tone of the meeting was set by Lowe reading out his anonymous letter preening his ego, so any hopes of a concilliatory atmosphere were lost in the first few minutes. Most are also quite happy to consign that period of Lowe's tenure to the dustbin of history. Raking over the coals is becoming extremely tedious.
OldNick Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 this thread shows why past members of any regime need to be kept away. I myself have great memories of LM of his time before he deserted us and will be thankful of that. If he had gone on and been successful at a different club after us he wouldnt IMO be in our boardroom or talking about us.He left us in the lurch to go to Sunderland (his home area) and failed, had he not done so I doubt he would give us more than a cursory glance. LM pre 1985 i salute and thank you with all my heart....being involved in the decision making team when Geoff Thomas was selected before the magnificent MLT for England I cannot forgive.Pathetic I know but i dislike Everton for Highbury, just a character flaw in me Im afraid. The only thing that has brought me around a little was when Daren Wheeler pointed out he stayed with us 12 years, for that I feel he did do a lot more than I had let my disappointment cloud.
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Well, I was there at that AGM and fully support Lawrie's opinion and his right to express that opinion. Were you there? If not, then it is surely difficult to express an opinion on the meeting or the behaviour of those there. Most people in the room agreed with what he said. Had you been there, then you would have realised that the whole tone of the meeting was set by Lowe reading out his anonymous letter preening his ego, so any hopes of a concilliatory atmosphere were lost in the first few minutes. Most are also quite happy to consign that period of Lowe's tenure to the dustbin of history. Raking over the coals is becoming extremely tedious. Thank you for confirming that Lawrie did play a part in proceedings; that's all I was after. So that too confirms that I am justified in not wanting to hear from any of them ever again without being told I'm disrespecting any of them. As you said, the debate of who was most right or wrong is long gone and has been done to death so we shan't bother with that here.
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 You can answer my question about whether you feel the account of events given in the written report is valid, or if it completely contradicts your recollection of events. I wouldn't know, I'm still waiting for the Radio Solent link to work;)
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 this thread shows why past members of any regime need to be kept away. I myself have great memories of LM of his time before he deserted us and will be thankful of that. If he had gone on and been successful at a different club after us he wouldnt IMO be in our boardroom or talking about us.He left us in the lurch to go to Sunderland (his home area) and failed, had he not done so I doubt he would give us more than a cursory glance. LM pre 1985 i salute and thank you with all my heart....being involved in the decision making team when Geoff Thomas was selected before the magnificent MLT for England I cannot forgive.Pathetic I know but i dislike Everton for Highbury, just a character flaw in me Im afraid. The only thing that has brought me around a little was when Daren Wheeler pointed out he stayed with us 12 years, for that I feel he did do a lot more than I had let my disappointment cloud. yes, managed from 73-85 I believe. And I'd be interested to hear from someone who remembers that era clearly how on earth we were able to put together such a strong team at that time? Whilst the Dell obviously held a lot more in those days, surely we didn't have attendances to rival the big, big clubs, so it couldn't have been down to a huge cash flow. Was it just a case of doing an Allardyce and signing old pros in an attempt to get one more good season out of them?
OldNick Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Well, I was there at that AGM and fully support Lawrie's opinion and his right to express that opinion. Were you there? If not, then it is surely difficult to express an opinion on the meeting or the behaviour of those there. Most people in the room agreed with what he said. Had you been there, then you would have realised that the whole tone of the meeting was set by Lowe reading out his anonymous letter preening his ego, so any hopes of a concilliatory atmosphere were lost in the first few minutes. Most are also quite happy to consign that period of Lowe's tenure to the dustbin of history. Raking over the coals is becoming extremely tedious.2 things about that meeting, the mood was always going to be balanced against IT, and if you talk about egos and the main thrust seemed to be about a picture of LM being taken down then i suggest it was on both sides.
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 I wouldn't know, I'm still waiting for the Radio Solent link to work;) Don't worry Um ... Wes has confirmed it for you. He heard Lawrie with his own ears.
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 this thread shows why past members of any regime need to be kept away. I myself have great memories of LM of his time before he deserted us and will be thankful of that. If he had gone on and been successful at a different club after us he wouldnt IMO be in our boardroom or talking about us.He left us in the lurch to go to Sunderland (his home area) and failed, had he not done so I doubt he would give us more than a cursory glance. LM pre 1985 i salute and thank you with all my heart....being involved in the decision making team when Geoff Thomas was selected before the magnificent MLT for England I cannot forgive.Pathetic I know but i dislike Everton for Highbury, just a character flaw in me Im afraid. The only thing that has brought me around a little was when Daren Wheeler pointed out he stayed with us 12 years, for that I feel he did do a lot more than I had let my disappointment cloud. Getting on for almost 20 years and my irrational "hatred" of Everton is probably based on no more than Adrian Heath and that semi (although Being brought up to boo John Bailey may have had a subconscious effect as well!!). As for this thread, I wouldn't read too much into it, it's mainly one dinlo who probably doesn't even know who Adrian Heath is if his posts are anything to go by.
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Getting on for almost 20 years and my irrational "hatred" of Everton is probably based on no more than Adrian Heath and that semi (although Being brought up to boo John Bailey may have had a subconscious effect as well!!). As for this thread, I wouldn't read too much into it, it's mainly one dinlo who probably doesn't even know who Adrian Heath is if his posts are anything to go by. Well done Um, there's me telling 70s Mike that we're capable of discussing things like adults and you start opening your potty mouth. Is that how you spell dinlo anyway?
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Well done Um, there's me telling 70s Mike that we're capable of discussing things like adults and you start opening your potty mouth. Is that how you spell dinlo anyway? It's how I spell, now do you want a link to Adrian Heath and the 1984 FA Cup run or not?
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 It's how I spell, now do you want a link to Adrian Heath and the 1984 FA Cup run or not? Is it an audio recording or a written report?
aintforever Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 (edited) The man who gave us this... http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jul/17/joy-of-six-great-team-goals?commentpage=2 ...has every right to voice his opinion. Edited 18 July, 2009 by aintforever
OldNick Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 yes, managed from 73-85 I believe. And I'd be interested to hear from someone who remembers that era clearly how on earth we were able to put together such a strong team at that time? Whilst the Dell obviously held a lot more in those days, surely we didn't have attendances to rival the big, big clubs, so it couldn't have been down to a huge cash flow. Was it just a case of doing an Allardyce and signing old pros in an attempt to get one more good season out of them?LM was IMO the first master in getting old top footbalers to play at the end of their careers and give us glorious times, this moved on to bringing some fine young players.He was before his time in that IMO and soon others took it on and it became harder.He tried the same again at Sunderland but for some reason it failed.
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 The man who gave us this... http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog...?commentpage=2 ...has every right to voice his opinion. a broken link?
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 LM was IMO the first master in getting old top footbalers to play at the end of their careers and give us glorious times, this moved on to bringing some fine young players.He was before his time in that IMO and soon others took it on and it became harder.He tried the same again at Sunderland but for some reason it failed. So Allardyce learnt it all from Lawrie Mac's biography then!?!?!? The cheeky swine!
um pahars Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 Is it an audio recording or a written report? How about a non-existent one? www.AdrianHeath=HeartBreaker.ev.co.uk
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Posted 18 July, 2009 How about a non-existent one? www.AdrianHeath=HeartBreaker.ev.co.uk aintforever's already posted one of those.
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