Did I ever suggest Paul Tisdale?

[NickG]

if any manager succeeds will be back in the big time..

 

many others have more know how and experience to do it though

 

if he had not played a handful of games for us he would not be getting no where near the attention..

 

what about the brentford manager...didnt they finish top..why are you not championing him..?

 

Scott was runner up of the prestigious LMA Manager of the Year Award for League Two in 2009 after the promotion winning season, losing out to Paul Tisdale of Exeter City.

 

not sure what your downer on him is?

 

not saying he is the messiah and tbf first suggested him before we were rich.

 

would be happy with many others, but most arguments you suggest against him seem self-defeating.

[Thedelldays]

Scott was runner up of the prestigious LMA Manager of the Year Award for League Two in 2009 after the promotion winning season, losing out to Paul Tisdale of Exeter City.

 

not sure what your downer on him is?

 

not saying he is the messiah and tbf first suggested him before we were rich.

 

would be happy with many others, but most arguments you suggest against him seem self-defeating.

not sating he is a messiah...well just short of

 

do you conceed that there are plenty that have more know how and expertise to get us out of this division and quick.

 

IF we did not have the takeover or just been brought out by leon crouch then I would agree about tisdale

 

however..............

[bungle]

Tisdale has been part of severely successful management "teams". Learning his trade with Team Bath, and then the assistant manager to Paul Buckle at Torquay. He has not just had success with Steve Perryman.

[NickG]

not sating he is a messiah...well just short of

 

do you conceed that there are plenty that have more know how and expertise to get us out of this division and quick.

 

IF we did not have the takeover or just been brought out by leon crouch then I would agree about tisdale

 

however..............

 

plenty better qualified and available/likely - no.

[CB Fry]

great logic! I don't want him because so many people rate him highly!:confused:

 

People "rate him highly" because he played a handful of games for Saints. He's one of many, many managers of equal stature in the lower leagues and conference but is getting disproportionate hype on here because he played at the Dell once in a blue moon. Mark Robins, Alan Knill, Cotterill, Mark Stimpson, Andy Scott, Paul Simpson etc etc etc are all "just as good as"or better than Tisdale but getting nowhere near the hype.

 

I'm just slightly sick of the disproportionate hype is all and for that reason I'd prefer someone else.

[CFSFC]

The DELLDAYS IS A COMPLETE IDIOT,

[Scummer]

The DELLDAYS IS A COMPLETE IDIOT,

 

Hi Paul.

[Thedelldays]

People "rate him highly" because he played a handful of games for Saints. He's one of many, many managers of equal stature in the lower leagues and conference but is getting disproportionate hype on here because he played at the Dell once in a blue moon. Mark Robins, Alan Knill, Cotterill, Mark Stimpson, Andy Scott, Paul Simpson etc etc etc are all "just as good as"or better than Tisdale but getting nowhere near the hype.

 

I'm just slightly sick of the disproportionate hype is all and for that reason I'd prefer someone else.

agree with this..

 

i must be an idiot though

[dcsfc]

NO THANKS!, REMEMBER GRAY,WIGLEY,NP,JAN,WOTTE, HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE NEED A SMACK IN THE FACE TO LEARN THIS LESSON?????????????

I want out of this league asap! dont fancy waiting around whilst we give our patience and time to someone unproven to learn and gain experience,

especialy whilst there are BETTER options out there!!

Our most sucesfull times in recent years were when we had exp in charge, I.E WGS,HODDLE.

 

IMO of course!

[Saint Charlie]

Tisdale has won successive promotions therefore he is rubbish. HTH

Edited 15 July, 2009 by Saint Charlie

[NickG]

People "rate him highly" because he played a handful of games for Saints. He's one of many, many managers of equal stature in the lower leagues and conference but is getting disproportionate hype on here because he played at the Dell once in a blue moon. Mark Robins, Alan Knill, Cotterill, Mark Stimpson, Andy Scott, Paul Simpson etc etc etc are all "just as good as"or better than Tisdale but getting nowhere near the hype.

 

I'm just slightly sick of the disproportionate hype is all and for that reason I'd prefer someone else.

 

LMA gave manager of year award due to his time playing at Southampton?

 

Sky - listed as top ten young manager (before last promotion) due to his time playing at Southampton?

[CB Fry]

Tisdale has won successive promotions therefore he is rubbish. HTH :-S

 

I wonder if you could name the managers of all the clubs promoted from L2 over the last five years? Or do you only look out for former Saints players, perchance?

[Papa Shango]

CB Fry is right. Tisdale is only getting mentioned so much because he is an ex player. If say Andy Scott had played for Saints instead of Tisdale, people would be mentioning him instead. Sammy McIlroy took Macclesfield from the Conference to League 1 in two years as well, but I don't see a big clamour for him. Plenty of young managers have started as well as Tisdale only to fade into obscurity. Tisdale certainly wouldn't be the worst choice in the world, be I don't think he'd be the best either.

[Thedelldays]

LMA gave manager of year award due to his time playing at Southampton?

 

Sky - listed as top ten young manager (before last promotion) due to his time playing at Southampton?

where is this..? (i genuinely do not know)

 

link please...

[Saint Charlie]

CB Fry is right. Tisdale is only getting mentioned so much because he is an ex player. If say Andy Scott had played for Saints instead of Tisdale, people would be mentioning him instead. Sammy McIlroy took Macclesfield from the Conference to League 1 in two years as well, but I don't see a big clamour for him. Plenty of young managers have started as well as Tisdale only to fade into obscurity. Tisdale certainly wouldn't be the worst choice in the world, be I don't think he'd be the best either.

 

So why did he have talks with Reading and turn down Swansea? Did he play for them?

 

The guy is a manager on the up who knows how to get out of a division. Would far rather him than someone like Steve Cotteril for example who has basically done nothing.

 

Someone will take a gamble on Tisdale and get potentially a bloody good Manager.....

[Thedelldays]

So why did he have talks with Reading and turn down Swansea? Did he play for them?

 

The guy is a manager on the up who knows how to get out of a division. Would far rather him than someone like Steve Cotteril for example who has basically done nothing.

 

Someone will take a gamble on Tisdale and get potentially a bloody good Manager.....

just goes to show..............

[Saint Charlie]

just goes to show..............

 

Show what?

[Thedelldays]

Show what?

have a look at what cotterill has achieved at the lower league level..

[Saint Charlie]

have a look at what cotterill has achieved at the lower league level..

 

He did well but couldnt really cut it higher up. But that doesnt mean Tisdale would be the same.

 

You have to give people a chance. Look at Darren Ferguson.

 

At the end of the day you have a thing about Tisdale, but I like plenty wouldnt mind him being given the job. He will get a chance somehwere, and he deserves it because of what he has done so far. Whther he can achieve more remains to be seen but IMO he is worth a gamble.

 

Good luck to an ex Saint, wherever he ends up.

[Thedelldays]

He did well but couldnt really cut it higher up. But that doesnt mean Tisdale would be the same.

 

You have to give people a chance. Look at Darren Ferguson.

 

At the end of the day you have a thing about Tisdale, but I like plenty wouldnt mind him being given the job. He will get a chance somehwere, and he deserves it because of what he has done so far. Whther he can achieve more remains to be seen but IMO he is worth a gamble.

 

Good luck to an ex Saint, wherever he ends up.

I would rather we not took such a BIG gamble though

we now dont have to IMO

 

if we were pretty skint then yes, tidale ticks all the right boxes..

thing is, we are not skint

[Saint Charlie]

I would rather we not took such a BIG gamble though

we now dont have to IMO

 

if we were pretty skint then yes, tidale ticks all the right boxes..

thing is, we are not skint

 

Thats fair enough, the bigger the gamble the bigger the loss, but sometimes the bigger the gain.

 

As long as we get someone here for the long term, thats the main thing whoever it is.

[NickG]

have a look at what cotterill has achieved at the lower league level..

 

not earth shattering is it? Not in demand either - how long out of work?

[Thedelldays]

not earth shattering is it? Not in demand either - how long out of work?

I know

 

goes to show what happens to many many promising managers...

 

like i said

 

rather we did NOT take such a big gamble

[NickG]

CB Fry is right. Tisdale is only getting mentioned so much because he is an ex player. If say Andy Scott had played for Saints instead of Tisdale, people would be mentioning him instead. Sammy McIlroy took Macclesfield from the Conference to League 1 in two years as well, but I don't see a big clamour for him. Plenty of young managers have started as well as Tisdale only to fade into obscurity. Tisdale certainly wouldn't be the worst choice in the world, be I don't think he'd be the best either.

 

I agree he did come to my attention due to his saints days but then everything I heard about him and read impressed me.

 

Andy Scott is good example and sure there are other good managers out there - Delldays mentioned Scott (who was runner up to Tisdale in LMA manager of the year - but as I said earlier all other managers voted for him just because he is an ex-saint;)).

[Thedelldays]

I agree he did come to my attention due to his saints days but then everything I heard about him and read impressed me.

 

Andy Scott is good example and sure there are other good managers out there - Delldays mentioned Scott (who was runner up to Tisdale in LMA manager of the year - but as I said earlier all other managers voted for him just because he is an ex-saint;)).

LMA managers of the year does NOT mean greatness

 

ffs, Frank Clarke has won that in the past..

[NickG]

I know

 

goes to show what happens to many many promising managers...

 

like i said

 

rather we did NOT take such a big gamble

 

who would you take?

 

It would be great to have WGS or KK for a number of reasons, but I'm not getting my hopes up, Coppell would be good.

 

But the rest, whose names come out for every job - would prefer Tisdale.

[Legod Third Coming]

Boothroyd and Coppell who managed in and were relegated from the premier league compared to Tisdale's stint in charge of team bath?

 

Quite the comparison

 

The only way to compare managers fairly is win ratio.

 

Where they ply their trade is bloody irrelevant frankly - unless you could have some kind of algorithm that takes their respective resources into account.

 

The bloke who wins the Blue Square probably does so on average wages of £1500 and the bloke who wins the Champions League does so on wages of £150k so the only true barometer is to see how often they win.

 

It's no harder to win the Premiership than my local Scout's league, all things being equal.

 

If the Scouts were to win the Premiership on the other hand...

[NickG]

LMA managers of the year does NOT mean greatness

 

ffs, Frank Clarke has won that in the past..

 

so its not what football media think, its not what saints fans think, nor other managers, or other clubs approaching Exeter for him - what is the criteria to judge him?

 

Just don't get your point.

[CB Fry]

So why did he have talks with Reading and turn down Swansea? Did he play for them?

 

The guy is a manager on the up who knows how to get out of a division. Would far rather him than someone like Steve Cotteril for example who has basically done nothing.

 

Someone will take a gamble on Tisdale and get potentially a bloody good Manager.....

 

 

When did Tisdale "turn down" Swansea, and not sure he was ever interviewed by Reading, he may have got on a notional short list.

 

What Steve Cotterill has achieved in football ****es all over what Tisdale has achieved and to call it "nothing" shows you only know anything at all about Paul Tisdale because he is an ex Saints player. Try putting things in a slightly broader context.

 

I think you need to calm down, achieving promotion from L2 does not guarantee a life long career of football glory and doesn't mean everything you touch will turn to gold from here on in.

 

Ever heard of the phrase "flavour of the month"?

 

If say Andy Scott had played for Saints instead of Tisdale, people would be mentioning him instead. Sammy McIlroy took Macclesfield from the Conference to League 1 in two years as well, but I don't see a big clamour for him. Plenty of young managers have started as well as Tisdale only to fade into obscurity. Tisdale certainly wouldn't be the worst choice in the world, be I don't think he'd be the best either.

 

Quite. I'm not rabidly anti-Tisdale, just anti the silly level of hype he is attracting on here.

Edited 15 July, 2009 by CB Fry

[Thedelldays]

so its not what football media think, its not what saints fans think, nor other managers, or other clubs approaching Exeter for him - what is the criteria to judge him?

 

Just don't get your point.

what point..?

 

would you have been all excited way back when at the thought of frank clarke being the boss..?

 

doubt it.

 

I dont dislike tisdale...I just dont think what he has achieved is anything special what so ever..

 

if we were completely skint then yes, PS would have been worth a shout

 

the facts are, we are not skint. we want promotion we want promotion beyond the CCC..

 

what I dont want is wait for a manager to find his feet at a level he has not reached yet whilst we need a quick exit upwards out of this league..

 

I know I know PS has achieved promotions in the past..but this is a level he has never reached before....to me, that is a gamble we can afford to give a wide berth IMO

[aintforever]

The only way to compare managers fairly is win ratio.

 

Where they ply their trade is bloody irrelevant frankly - unless you could have some kind of algorithm that takes their respective resources into account.

 

The bloke who wins the Blue Square probably does so on average wages of £1500 and the bloke who wins the Champions League does so on wages of £150k so the only true barometer is to see how often they win.

 

It's no harder to win the Premiership than my local Scout's league, all things being equal.

 

If the Scouts were to win the Premiership on the other hand...

 

I disagree, win ratio is way too crude - doesn't take into account resources, opposition, circumstances, timescales etc.

 

Burley probably has one of the best win ratios of our recent managers, yet he squandered millions and left the club in a mess.

[Saint Charlie]

When did Tisdale "turn down" Swansea, and not sure he was ever interviewed by Reading, he may have got on a notional short list.

 

What Steve Cotterill has achieved in football ****es all over what Tisdale has achieved and to call it "nothing" shows you only know anything at all about Paul Tisdale because he is an ex Saints player. Try putting things in a slightly broader context.

 

I think you need to calm down, achieving promotion from L2 does not guarantee a life long career of football glory and doesn't mean everything you touch will turn to gold from here on in.

 

Ever heard of the phrase "flavour of the month"?

 

Im not worked up about him. Just saying he has a decent record and is worth a gamble for someone. If that someone is Saints then I think he could do a decent job based on what we know about him.

[NickG]

When did Tisdale "turn down" Swansea, and not sure he was ever interviewed by Reading, he may have got on a notional short list.

 

What Steve Cotterill has achieved in football ****es all over what Tisdale has achieved and to call it "nothing" shows you only know anything at all about Paul Tisdale because he is an ex Saints player. Try putting things in a slightly broader context.

 

I think you need to calm down, achieving promotion from L2 does not guarantee a life long career of football glory and doesn't mean everything you touch will turn to gold from here on in.

 

Ever heard of the phrase "flavour of the month"?

 

 

that is just wrong!

 

similar achievement, bit slower in Cotterills case.

 

THen Burnley which he did ok for couple of years or so.

 

Sacked 2007 and not worked since.

 

Don't want to turn this into moan about him as could be great guy and decent manager, but to slate considering Tisdale because of the great Cotterill is silly

[NickG]

what point..?

 

would you have been all excited way back when at the thought of frank clarke being the boss..?

 

doubt it.

 

I dont dislike tisdale...I just dont think what he has achieved is anything special what so ever..

 

if we were completely skint then yes, PS would have been worth a shout

 

the facts are, we are not skint. we want promotion we want promotion beyond the CCC..

 

what I dont want is wait for a manager to find his feet at a level he has not reached yet whilst we need a quick exit upwards out of this league..

 

I know I know PS has achieved promotions in the past..but this is a level he has never reached before....to me, that is a gamble we can afford to give a wide berth IMO

 

promotion every year he has managed ffs

[NickG]

what point..?

 

would you have been all excited way back when at the thought of frank clarke being the boss..?

 

doubt it.

 

I dont dislike tisdale...I just dont think what he has achieved is anything special what so ever..

 

if we were completely skint then yes, PS would have been worth a shout

 

the facts are, we are not skint. we want promotion we want promotion beyond the CCC..

 

what I dont want is wait for a manager to find his feet at a level he has not reached yet whilst we need a quick exit upwards out of this league..

 

I know I know PS has achieved promotions in the past..but this is a level he has never reached before....to me, that is a gamble we can afford to give a wide berth IMO

 

to draw this to a close, who are your top 5 choices?

[Legod Third Coming]

I disagree, win ratio is way too crude - doesn't take into account resources, opposition, circumstances, timescales etc.

 

Burley probably has one of the best win ratios of our recent managers, yet he squandered millions and left the club in a mess.

 

The opposition is immaterial - teams play against other teams at the same level.

 

Do you think it's harder for us to beat Swansea than it is for Chelsea to beat Liverpool??

 

Like I said, resources is the only factor that should make a difference and until someone comes up with a measure that takes this into account, there is no 'better' measure that is fair.

 

How else should you judge a manager - does he win or not????

 

As for Burley:

 

Hoddle 42%

Strachan 35%

Burley 41%

 

Those are the facts.

[aintforever]

The opposition is immaterial - teams play against other teams at the same level.

 

Do you think it's harder for us to beat Swansea than it is for Chelsea to beat Liverpool??

 

Like I said, resources is the only factor that should make a difference and until someone comes up with a measure that takes this into account, there is no 'better' measure that is fair.

 

How else should you judge a manager - does he win or not????

 

As for Burley:

 

Hoddle 42%

Strachan 35%

Burley 41%

 

Those are the facts.

 

Those stats just show how irrelevant win ratio is.

[Legod Third Coming]

Those stats just show how irrelevant win ratio is.

 

No, they show how often those managers won!

[Thedelldays]

LE God - lowest spenders (or one of) in the prem compared to the biggest spenders inn the CCC.. I DONT think it is immaterial..

 

NickG, My top 5 choices

 

1. WGS

2. Keegan

3. Coppell

4. Boothroyd

5. Cotterill (him over tisdale as he at least has experience at a higher level)

[NickG]

LE God - lowest spenders (or one of) in the prem compared to the biggest spenders inn the CCC.. I DONT think it is immaterial..

 

NickG, My top 5 choices

 

1. WGS

2. Keegan

3. Coppell

4. Boothroyd

5. Cotterill (him over tisdale as he at least has experience at a higher level)

 

fair enough

 

would be very happy with top three - but still can't convince myself there is chance of them happening.

 

not sure about Boothroyd, decent choice but not exciting

 

Personally would have Tisdale head and shoulders above Cotterill due to similar basic grounding but Tisdale is on the way up, no baggage or failure and could be great in few years - sort of manager who could grow with us.

 

Cotterill is not in demand for some reason and has not done great at higher levels.

Edited 15 July, 2009 by NickG

[Legod Third Coming]

LE God - lowest spenders (or one of) in the prem compared to the biggest spenders inn the CCC.. I DONT think it is immaterial..

 

NickG, My top 5 choices

 

1. WGS

2. Keegan

3. Coppell

4. Boothroyd

5. Cotterill (him over tisdale as he at least has experience at a higher level)

 

Er, resources DD, didn't I say that often enough yet???!!!!

[Wiltshire Saint]

[NickG]

Do you have one of Malcolm Waldren?

 

or just sharing some of your photo collection!