Did I ever suggest Paul Tisdale?

[NickG]

Can't remember whether I did?

 

Steve Perryman, DoF at Exeter, was on radio today talking about their season.

 

He said they were doing pretty well when Tisdale came to him saying they were now being too predictable and wanted to completely change their way of playing mid-season. He wanted to switch to 3 CBs and had identified the new CB.

 

They signed him and Perryman said it made an instant change and they went from strength to strength. - and promotion.

[Thedelldays]

wow

 

billionaire chairman will be wetting himself no doubt

[NickG]

beats Adams anyday.

[Toadhall Saint]

Yes you did - once or twice.

 

Interesting that Steve Perryman is DoF there. I didn't know he had ended up at Exeter

[Thedelldays]

beats Adams anyday.

hardly a great endorsement is it

[NickG]

I agree would prefer Mourinhio but we ain't going to get him.

[Thedelldays]

I agree would prefer Mourinhio but we ain't going to get him.

what an odd post to throw in..:confused:

[lordswoodsaints]

Some of you need to wipe tisdale from your minds.....he's not what we need and we should be aiming a bit higher.

Success costs and the Swiss need to start spending.

[NickG]

point was in comparing Tisdale to what I view (personal opinion only tbf) as realistic prospects he is exactly what the new owners would want and would make me very optimistic.

 

I would be more excited over our short term prospects with Strachen or Keegan - but can't see them.

 

I think Coppell would be good.

 

After those I would be happy with Tisdale.

Edited 14 July, 2009 by NickG

[NickG]

Some of you need to wipe tisdale from your minds.....he's not what we need and we should be aiming a bit higher.

Success costs and the Swiss need to start spending.

 

and have said not going to big name and someone right for this division apparently

[Thedelldays]

point it compared to what I view (personal opinion only tbf) as realistic prospects he is exactly what the new owners would want and would make me very optimistic.

 

I would be more excited over our short term prospects with Strachen or Keegan - but can't see them.

 

I think Coppell would be good.

 

After those I would be happy with Tisdale.

why would tisdale represent a long term appointment as opposed to WGS for example..?

[NickG]

I can't see WGS happening.

 

I don't mean WGS would only stay short term (although suspect he might not) but meant he would have bigger short term i.e. instant impact - a good thing.

[Thedelldays]

I can't see WGS happening.

 

I don't mean WGS would only stay short term (although suspect he might not) but meant he would have bigger short term i.e. instant impact - a good thing.

fair doos

 

just that some assume Tisdale would represent a "long term" appointment..

 

dont know why at all

[saint_mears]

If you take Tisdale will you also need Perryman ?

[NickG]

suppose as he is at our level but young and if we do well could grow with the role.

 

my choice

1) KK (Dof with Tisdale??)

2) Coppell

3) Strachen

4) Tisdale

[NickG]

If you take Tisdale will you also need Perryman ?

 

no, I have ear-marked Keegan for that role!

[CWD]

Nick you really have sold this one to me. I always thought PT would be a good choice long-term, and would clearly be a success eventually.

 

However now i would be DELIGHTED if he was appointed rather than merely satisfied, i really think he is the brightest young prospect in management.

 

If we could get him in along with WGS, KK, or even Coppell as a DoF (provided its true that we will be having one) i think id be just as happy as i would be if WGS was appointed!

[dan17]

suppose as he is at our level but young and if we do well could grow with the role.

 

my choice

1) Tisdale

2) Tisdale

3) Tisdale

4) Tisdale

 

You really like this chap don't you

:-)

[Saint Charlie]

Tisdale would be brilliant IMO. A proven winner.

[SB]

Plonkers..IMO, Ever spoken to Tisdale?

 

Watched Exeter play?

 

Didn't think so..

 

If so, You'd realise Tisdale isn't the long term manager Southampton need.

[Katalinic]

Plonkers..IMO, Ever spoken to Tisdale?

 

Watched Exeter play?

 

Didn't think so..

 

If so, You'd realise Tisdale isn't the long term manager Southampton need.

 

Yes, he is intelligent, articulate and innovative and Exeter City play excellent football. I think if we aren't going to go for a "big name bums on seats manager" then he would be the perfect choice.

 

HTH

[Thedelldays]

Yes, he is intelligent, articulate and innovative and Exeter City play excellent football. I think if we aren't going to go for a "big name bums on seats manager" then he would be the perfect choice.

 

HTH

do they....?

 

you seen them much..?

[Katalinic]

do they....?

 

you seen them much..?

 

Yes. Saints fan but Exeter is my home town.

 

P.S. They stuff your suggestion Peter Taylor's every time they play them - he managed Stevenage before Wycombe.

[Thedelldays]

Yes. Saints fan but Exeter is my home town.

 

P.S. They stuff your suggestion Peter Taylor's every time they play them - he managed Stevenage before Wycombe.

great

 

if they were that great, did they win the league..or go up automatically..?

[Katalinic]

great

 

if they were that great, did they win the league..or go up automatically..?

 

Yes, last season automatically, they also haven't spent anything on a player since 2004 - must be the coaching.....

[Thedelldays]

Yes, last season automatically, they also haven't spent anything on a player since 2004 - must be the coaching.....

rather we aimed a tad higher than someone who did not even win league 2

[Verbal]

 

[Katalinic]

rather we aimed a tad higher than someone who did not even win league 2

 

 

Err but you suggested Peter Taylor. Actually though I agree in a sense, I would rather have Strachan or Keegan but, if we go down the up and coming manager route, can you think of anyone better?

[Thedelldays]

to br fair..i have suggested many managers.

 

peter taylor is one who has achieved promotion out of this league..

[(not THE) Kevin Moore]

to br fair..i have suggested many managers.

 

peter taylor is one who has achieved promotion out of this league..

 

Sometimes your sheer bloodymindedness does you a massive disservice.

 

I would be delighted with someone like Tisdale, a bright young manager who is tactically very adept and has done well in the lower divisions and non-league with very limited resources.

 

I want us to bring in a manager who can grow with the club and he seems to fit the bill perfectly for me.

 

Rather a young up and comer than a 'usual suspect' off the managerial merry-go-round and Peter Taylor is a busted flush in my eyes.

 

Of the 'available, proven, managers' (who we can realistically attract, so not WGS) I would only take Boothroyd or Coppell (but prefer boothroyd because he's younger) but someone like Tisdale would be a really positive signing in my book.

[NickG]

do they....?

 

you seen them much..?

 

Yes. Saints fan but Exeter is my home town.

 

P.S. They stuff your suggestion Peter Taylor's every time they play them - he managed Stevenage before Wycombe.

 

lol

[Doctoroncall]

Some of you need to wipe tisdale from your minds.....he's not what we need and we should be aiming a bit higher.

Success costs and the Swiss need to start spending.

 

Success costs... but it doesn't have too. Get a good manager and like Swansea, Peterborough, S****horpe and Doncaster spending money isn't the only option.

[Wiltshire Saint]

[ottery st mary]

 

Believe Tom will be the new Tidworth Manager this season?:smt044

[NickG]

he will have done well

[Wiltshire Saint]

he will have done well

 

Still got the downer on TW I see. A shame that a supposed Saints fan treats a former great with such disdain. Shame on you.

[saint_stevo]

You seriously think Widdrington would be up to the task?

[Minsk]

Sometimes your sheer bloodymindedness does you a massive disservice.

 

I would be delighted with someone like Tisdale, a bright young manager who is tactically very adept and has done well in the lower divisions and non-league with very limited resources.

 

I want us to bring in a manager who can grow with the club and he seems to fit the bill perfectly for me.

 

Rather a young up and comer than a 'usual suspect' off the managerial merry-go-round and Peter Taylor is a busted flush in my eyes.

 

Of the 'available, proven, managers' (who we can realistically attract, so not WGS) I would only take Boothroyd or Coppell (but prefer boothroyd because he's younger) but someone like Tisdale would be a really positive signing in my book.

 

I believe TDD has also said he would love Boothroyd to be our next manager. In fact, I'm sure he's said that on many an occasion. So, just for you two, here are Boothroyd's, Coppell's and Tisdale's stats as a manager:

 

Boothroyd G176 W65 D51 L60 PPG1.39

 

Coppell G986 W395 D261 L330 PPG1.46

 

Tisdale G157 W74 D42 L41 PPG1.68

 

(G=Games W=Wins D=Draws L=Lost PPG=Points Per Game)

 

As we can see, having managed only 19 games fewer than Boothroyd, Tisdale's points per game ratio is by far the most superior.

 

HTH

[saint_stevo]

Boothroyd and Coppell who managed in and were relegated from the premier league compared to Tisdale's stint in charge of team bath?

 

Quite the comparison

[CB Fry]

I believe TDD has also said he would love Boothroyd to be our next manager. In fact, I'm sure he's said that on many an occasion. So, just for you two, here are Boothroyd's, Coppell's and Tisdale's stats as a manager:

 

Boothroyd G176 W65 D51 L60 PPG1.39

 

Coppell G986 W395 D261 L330 PPG1.46

 

Tisdale G157 W74 D42 L41 PPG1.68

 

(G=Games W=Wins D=Draws L=Lost PPG=Points Per Game)

 

As we can see, having managed only 19 games fewer than Boothroyd, Tisdale's points per game ratio is by far the most superior.

 

HTH

 

 

Christ alive. Tisdale has led a traditional league team back into the league (well done) and then in to the third tier (well done).

 

Neither is a particularly earth shattering achievement - Steve Cotterill did it from a much, much lower starting point than Tisdale did, and others have done it. Promoted Conference teams very often scoot through the third div, the gap isn't that great and the ex-Conf team have a knack of winning which carries through. It isn't rare.

 

Maybe Boothroyd should have spent more time in the Blue Square rather than wasting time getting promoted to the Barclays Premier. He'd statistically be a much better manager now :rolleyes:

 

And Steve Coppell. What a ****ing waster he is with his season after season in the top flight or high in the second tier of British football for the best part of twenty years. What's he ever done in non league recently?

 

 

I've gone from not minding Tisdale as an option to being completely anti because of so many fans on here talking about him like the bloody second coming who is incapable of ever failing anywhere, ever. It's totally over the top.

 

Promotion from L2 is not actually the greatest achievement in the world you know regardless what some tossed off stats say.

Edited 14 July, 2009 by CB Fry

[Thedelldays]

CB. Nail on the head mate

[bungle]

Tisdale would be an excellent appointment. Exeter have really built up and play some very good football. I would be delighted if we got him.

[Saint Paul C]

My dad went to school with Steve Perryman and kept in touch with him for years afterwards. He used to give me free football boots from his sports shops in Hayes.

 

Nice bloke.

[NickG]

Christ alive. Tisdale has led a traditional league team back into the league (well done) and then in to the third tier (well done).

 

Neither is a particularly earth shattering achievement - Steve Cotterill did it from a much, much lower starting point than Tisdale did, and others have done it. Promoted Conference teams very often scoot through the third div, the gap isn't that great and the ex-Conf team have a knack of winning which carries through. It isn't rare.

 

Maybe Boothroyd should have spent more time in the Blue Square rather than wasting time getting promoted to the Barclays Premier. He'd statistically be a much better manager now :rolleyes:

 

And Steve Coppell. What a ****ing waster he is with his season after season in the top flight or high in the second tier of British football for the best part of twenty years. What's he ever done in non league recently?

 

 

I've gone from not minding Tisdale as an option to being completely anti because of so many fans on here talking about him like the bloody second coming who is incapable of ever failing anywhere, ever. It's totally over the top.

 

Promotion from L2 is not actually the greatest achievement in the world you know regardless what some tossed off stats say.

 

 

great logic! I don't want him because so many people rate him highly!:confused:

[dubai_phil]

Tisdale would be a disaster.

 

Think it through from the start again, Tisdale is part of a TEAM at Exeter, the rookie and the wise old head. the two TOGETHER work.

 

But in most teams and managerial appointments, breaking that TEAM up more often sees failure rather than success.

Hoddle & Gorman - and when they were on their own? the decline

Wise & Poyet?

Lawrie Mac & Ted?

 

Even having a new experienced head coming in to "help" you have no idea how the team dynamics and whole mental approach would work.

 

So, IMHO enough of the Tisdale. it will not work, he needs to come WITH Perryman as a package or not at all.

 

And also, iit certainly will not be "long term" - because IF they come, and IF they succeed, they will be snapped up by a lower level or an ex PL club faster than you could say 4 times the money and opportunity to make it into the big time

[NickG]

if he suceeds we will be back in the big time!

 

Think a lot of your points phil can only be answered by those closer, within the game, or in interviews.

 

Like any manager appointment it may turn out badly but I would be very optimistic - certainly compared to other names, journeyman managers who names come out for every job over last few years

[Thedelldays]

if he suceeds we will be back in the big time!

 

Think a lot of your points phil can only be answered by those closer, within the game, or in interviews.

 

Like any manager appointment it may turn out badly but I would be very optimistic - certainly compared to other names, journeyman managers who names come out for every job over last few years

if any manager succeeds will be back in the big time..

 

many others have more know how and experience to do it though

 

if he had not played a handful of games for us he would not be getting no where near the attention..

 

what about the brentford manager...didnt they finish top..why are you not championing him..?

[sidthesquid]

Tisdale would be a disaster.

 

Think it through from the start again, Tisdale is part of a TEAM at Exeter, the rookie and the wise old head. the two TOGETHER work.

 

But in most teams and managerial appointments, breaking that TEAM up more often sees failure rather than success.

Hoddle & Gorman - and when they were on their own? the decline

Wise & Poyet?

Lawrie Mac & Ted?

 

Even having a new experienced head coming in to "help" you have no idea how the team dynamics and whole mental approach would work.

 

So, IMHO enough of the Tisdale. it will not work, he needs to come WITH Perryman as a package or not at all.

 

And also, iit certainly will not be "long term" - because IF they come, and IF they succeed, they will be snapped up by a lower level or an ex PL club faster than you could say 4 times the money and opportunity to make it into the big time

 

And what is the problem with both of them coming?

[Thedelldays]

And what is the problem with both of them coming?

Exeter...

[dubai_phil]

And what is the problem with both of them coming?

 

I have no problem with BOTH of them coming, but am concerned about only one of them that's all, right now this decision for NEW owners is about risk assessment and management.

 

They will be experienced in making critical business decisions, but in this new world, they will be relying on "talking to experts". That makes things even more tough, football is about opinions, they talk to 10 people in football they'll get 10 opinions.

 

The process is likely to be "strategy" first - ie experience or potential, then they will go after a manager to fit that specification, talk to people and then build a short list (short and Ginger hopefully).

 

They won't just start with a list of random names and compare statstics, knowing Multi-Nationals, there will have been a whole raft of excel spreadsheets produced by an army of back room analysts somewhere in the mountains detailing success rates for new appointments versus experience, qualifications, age, nationality etc.

 

that will form the base criteria and off they will have gone.

 

After WGS or similarly "aged" managers

OR

Knill's, Tisdales etc

OR

Killers, Savages, Sheringhams etc