Jimmy Gabriel's Halo Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Isn't 8/11 a hat size? No, not a hat size but 8 shillings and elevenpence in old money. Which is more than TA is worth.
trousers Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 The new manager has already been appointed! They're just holding off on the Tony Adams announcement until enough season tickets have been sold. http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/layer?topicId=1074014173
A Nut Can Cut You Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Pathetic attitude. If it's a "pathetic attitude" to snub a manager based on his brand of football -- in Boothroyd's case route one -- pray tell, what is a fair and acceptable reason to oppose a manager. AFAIC, style of play is one of the more reasonable causes to be in favour or against a manager. Incidentally, people who favour Boothroyd should disqualify themselves from complaining about long ball. Not going to happen, of course.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 If it's a "pathetic attitude" to snub a manager based on his brand of football -- in Boothroyd's case route one -- pray tell, what is a fair and acceptable reason to oppose a manager. AFAIC, style of play is one of the more reasonable causes to be in favour or against a manager. Incidentally, people who favour Boothroyd should disqualify themselves from complaining about long ball. Not going to happen, of course. you do realise that pearsons leicester were, shall we say "direct" last season....cant see too many complaining about him
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 If it's a "pathetic attitude" to snub a manager based on his brand of football -- in Boothroyd's case route one -- pray tell, what is a fair and acceptable reason to oppose a manager. AFAIC, style of play is one of the more reasonable causes to be in favour or against a manager. Incidentally, people who favour Boothroyd should disqualify themselves from complaining about long ball. Not going to happen, of course. I have never complained about our style of football. I have always complained over the last few seasons because we haven't had someone strong in charge who forced the players to play like they gave a damn.
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 you do realise that pearsons leicester were, shall we say "direct" last season....cant see too many complaining about him Yep. We played some really pretty stuff at the beginning of last year yet we saw hardly any wins. I know what I would prefer! I want to get promoted from this league by any means necessary. I am fed up with people harping on about pretty football. I wanted Billy Davies last year and make no mistake, we would have stayed up.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Yep. We played some really pretty stuff at the beginning of last year yet we saw hardly any wins. I know what I would prefer! I want to get promoted from this league by any means necessary. I am fed up with people harping on about pretty football. I wanted Billy Davies last year and make no mistake, we would have stayed up. i agree 100%..i could not care one bit how we play...just want us to win and win all the time..if we play well and win then it is a bonus i really do laugh when people claim they dont want the likes of boothroyd because of his so called style (which he admitted he used as it suited the current crop of players) then wet themselves at pearson coming back..when he played a "direct" style last season (which was successful).. strange people..
Crab Lungs Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 (edited) Yep. We played some really pretty stuff at the beginning of last year yet we saw hardly any wins. I know what I would prefer! I want to get promoted from this league by any means necessary. I am fed up with people harping on about pretty football. I wanted Billy Davies last year and make no mistake, we would have stayed up. I do not care how we get out of L1, or for that matter, the CCC if we get there. Davies Preston side actually played some decent stuff, it was only at Derby and latterly Forest where they played to their strengths. If you are limited to poor but effective football, I know I would rather be going home from a football match pleased we won as opposed to being frustrated angry that we played well but lost. In fact, that's the most galling way to lose. Boothroyd, Davies etc would give you that. Coppell, Keegan, Hoddle and Strachan would give you better footballing sides for sure, and effective. Tisdale arguably so too. People like Ince, Shearer and Adams will serve you a disorganised mess, GUARANTEED. You can tell quite alot from the way a team performs; whether the manager has the dressing and secondly, whether he has any tactical nous. None of those three has ever displayed that. Ince is a gob****e and Blackburn proved that (though admitidely at Macc done well), Shearer is a gob****e who talks a good game and panders to the fans as 'no-nonsense' like Pearson but really isn't cut out for it and Adams is much the same. Edited 14 July, 2009 by Crab Lungs
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 I do not care how we get out of L1, or for that matter, the CCC if we get there. Davies Preston side actually played some decent stuff, it was only at Derby and latterly Forest where they played to their strengths. If you are limited to poor but effective football, I know I would rather be going home from a football match pleased we won as opposed to being frustrated angry that we played well but lost. In fact, that's the most galling way to lose. the anti billy davies stuff on here when he was touted was ludacris to say the least...
saintjay77 Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Yep. We played some really pretty stuff at the beginning of last year yet we saw hardly any wins. I know what I would prefer! I want to get promoted from this league by any means necessary. I am fed up with people harping on about pretty football. I wanted Billy Davies last year and make no mistake, we would have stayed up. I just wish we had a stronger defence last season as I think if the team believed they wouldnt go a goal or 2 down at any point then the kids could have had a field day. The QPR match that was on SSN we played some fantastic stuff yet got spanked because of a sending off and some sloppy defending. Imagine a brick wall of a defence and the kids playing off Ras and Saga with fast passing and counter attacking football. Game after game the confidence would grow and I think we would score and win a hat full. Like you said though, the manager/s couldnt get the team to play like it was an FA cup final every match and therefor silly mistakes and concentration let us down. once we got into that rutt there was no way back without massive changes.
Give it to Ron Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 If it's a "pathetic attitude" to snub a manager based on his brand of football -- in Boothroyd's case route one -- pray tell, what is a fair and acceptable reason to oppose a manager. AFAIC, style of play is one of the more reasonable causes to be in favour or against a manager. Incidentally, people who favour Boothroyd should disqualify themselves from complaining about long ball. Not going to happen, of course. Long ball ...short ball it doesnt matter as long as its the correct ball! I find it quite funny that over 51% want Strachan back yet his main tactic was to pick out Beattie! Not the only one obviously with Crop Circles and Bridge/Mazza but most games it was the long ball to BT and feed off him. As I said earlier what do you think is best 3 passes and in the net or 25 like last year and back to Kelvin?
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 agree with the above the football snobbery has to stop IMO
Crab Lungs Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 the anti billy davies stuff on here when he was touted was ludacris to say the least... Agreed. I remember when Burley went and I wanted Davies simply because he would unify the club and city and instill a us against the world attitude. Something we've sorely missed in recent years.
Harry Faz Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Long ball ...short ball it doesnt matter as long as its the correct ball! As I said earlier what do you think is best 3 passes and in the net or 25 like last year and back to Kelvin? Exactly, it wasnt even pretty football ...it was toothless , producing very few genuine goal scoring opportunities. Id take a more direct style of play where we actually score goals anytime.
krissyboy31 Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Can I have 5 passes then back of the net? No!! Kelvin to Raz - GOAL!! One pass, much more efficient.
CB Saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Save the pretty stuff until we are safely anchored in the Prem, then we can think about playing attractive football. We may even have the players to pull it off at that point. This sounds like a case of "need" and "want".
Ponty Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 the anti billy davies stuff on here when he was touted was ludacris to say the least... Small point; I believe "Ludacris" is a rapper and actor of some sort, whereas "Ludicrous" is the word you seek to describe the anti-Billy Davies quotes. I actually disagree; I would not like to see Davies here at all.
John B Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 i agree 100%..i could not care one bit how we play...just want us to win and win all the time..if we play well and win then it is a bonus i really do laugh when people claim they dont want the likes of boothroyd because of his so called style (which he admitted he used as it suited the current crop of players) then wet themselves at pearson coming back..when he played a "direct" style last season (which was successful).. strange people.. Exactly a few wins would be great no matter how we play
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 I guess it depends how the talks go. I think its fairly likely we could have someone in by Saturday. I wonder if they will be after anyone who is employed by another club? My thoughts also.
M271 Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Save the pretty stuff until we are safely anchored in the Prem, then we can think about playing attractive football. We may even have the players to pull it off at that point. This sounds like a case of "need" and "want". Stoke seem to do OK in the Prem with direct football and half a team of ex Saints players.
aintforever Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 They should be in a rush IMO, every day without a manager harms our chances next season.
sotonswan Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Fact or opinion? I have never paid too much attention to the Poyet/Wise era at Leeds. Nor would I expect you to. But I and most Swansea fans did since they were a big fish in our pond, and they rather spoiled our end of year celebrations with their legal challenge to the -15 point penalty. Leeds results for the 2007/8 season from their official site Poyet left around Monday, 29 October 2007 Wise left around Mon Jan 28, 2008 Leeds record up to Poyet's departure WWWWLWWWWDWWWDWW = 41 pts / 16 games = 2.5 per game Leeds record without Poyet, but with Wise LWDLWLLWWDWDLLWWLD = 25 pts / 18 games = 1.4 per game Leeds record for rest of season after Wise departs LLDDDWWLDWDWWWLWW = 29 pts / 17 games = 1.7 Now any conclusion you may take from that will be an opinion, but one with some empirical backing. I seem to remember that Wise did not spend much time in Leeds itself, but delegated all of the coaching to GP, and one can presume his advice regarding team selection was taken as well. When Gus Poyet came into the running for the Swansea job, I was more than happy. That's all I'll say. ATB
Saint Fan CaM Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Nor would I expect you to. But I and most Swansea fans did since they were a big fish in our pond, and they rather spoiled our end of year celebrations with their legal challenge to the -15 point penalty. Leeds results for the 2007/8 season from their official site Poyet left around Monday, 29 October 2007 Wise left around Mon Jan 28, 2008 Leeds record up to Poyet's departure WWWWLWWWWDWWWDWW = 41 pts / 16 games = 2.5 per game Leeds record without Poyet, but with Wise LWDLWLLWWDWDLLWWLD = 25 pts / 18 games = 1.4 per game Leeds record for rest of season after Wise departs LLDDDWWLDWDWWWLWW = 29 pts / 17 games = 1.7 Now any conclusion you may take from that will be an opinion, but one with some empirical backing. I seem to remember that Wise did not spend much time in Leeds itself, but delegated all of the coaching to GP, and one can presume his advice regarding team selection was taken as well. When Gus Poyet came into the running for the Swansea job, I was more than happy. That's all I'll say. ATB Good post - I love facts.
Fowllyd Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 They should be in a rush IMO, every day without a manager harms our chances next season. I know what you mean, but I'd say it's nothing compared to the harm that a full season (or even half a season) with the wrong manager could do. I know there are no guarantees, but a proper process of selection is far more likely to get us the right man for the job. Oh, and they haven't even been in control of the club for a week yet. Things always seem to drag when you're anticipating something - I remember how long last Wednesday morning seemed to last!
Fowllyd Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Nor would I expect you to. But I and most Swansea fans did since they were a big fish in our pond, and they rather spoiled our end of year celebrations with their legal challenge to the -15 point penalty. Leeds results for the 2007/8 season from their official site Poyet left around Monday, 29 October 2007 Wise left around Mon Jan 28, 2008 Leeds record up to Poyet's departure WWWWLWWWWDWWWDWW = 41 pts / 16 games = 2.5 per game Leeds record without Poyet, but with Wise LWDLWLLWWDWDLLWWLD = 25 pts / 18 games = 1.4 per game Leeds record for rest of season after Wise departs LLDDDWWLDWDWWWLWW = 29 pts / 17 games = 1.7 Now any conclusion you may take from that will be an opinion, but one with some empirical backing. I seem to remember that Wise did not spend much time in Leeds itself, but delegated all of the coaching to GP, and one can presume his advice regarding team selection was taken as well. When Gus Poyet came into the running for the Swansea job, I was more than happy. That's all I'll say. ATB Excellent post. I find myself warming more and more to the idea of Poyet, I have to say. Am I right in thinking he's available?
kpturner Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Excellent post. I find myself warming more and more to the idea of Poyet, I have to say. Am I right in thinking he's available?Blimey - a few stats and you are smitten !!
Rocker268 Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 I know what you mean, but I'd say it's nothing compared to the harm that a full season (or even half a season) with the wrong manager could do. I know there are no guarantees, but a proper process of selection is far more likely to get us the right man for the job. I agree although it is annoying waiting for news it has only been 3 working days now and as they have a long term plan they want a long term manager, so will not only be looking for one who can manage in league 1 but can also cope with the CCC and prem to keep continuity and have the ability to manage at all levels on a budget, even if it is flexible =p ML has not got where he is by making brash incorrect decisions, give him and the rest of the team time and I would think it will all work out for the best!
Fowllyd Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Blimey - a few stats and you are smitten !! I know - a few impressive numbers and I'm anybody's. Phwooaarrr - just look at that win ratio!!!
Dalek2003 Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 We didn't rush appointing Sturrock. It was a few weeks after WGS left that Sturrock was appointed. During that time Steve Wigley was temporarily in charge, for his first stint at the helm. We did rush Sturrock. He was appointed at the last minute after the Hoddle appointment fell through. Hoddle had been planned for a long time in advance but was scuppered by a few noisy fans and a board that didn't have tha balls to stick to their original decision.
revolution saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 We did rush Sturrock. He was appointed at the last minute after the Hoddle appointment fell through. Hoddle had been planned for a long time in advance but was scuppered by a few noisy fans and a board that didn't have tha balls to stick to their original decision. Are you too a Hoddle fan? Oh thank god to find someone else just like me! Maybe we could meet up for a drink sometime? You're not disabled though are you?
Dalek2003 Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Are you too a Hoddle fan? Oh thank god to find someone else just like me! Maybe we could meet up for a drink sometime? You're not disabled though are you? Shall we talk about football ?
revolution saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Shall we talk about football ? No, I'd prefer to talk about Hoddle. Much like you really.
benjii Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Has anyone considered a Gus Poyet / Patrick Colleter dream team?
um pahars Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 then wet themselves at pearson coming back..when he played a "direct" style last season (which was successful).. Whenever I watched Leicester last season I saw the majority of the team as young(ish) players playing a decent footballing style (particularly getting the ball wide). I also remember some of the Leicester fans making the same comments last October: "I have been plesantly surprised this season when we have had a back four of Powell, Tunchev, Hobbs/Morrison and Gilbert how much we've tried to pass the ball and not go route one all the while to Howard. Ok, it's used at times, but I think Pearson has made a conscious effort to make the players keep things on the deck where possible. Howard needs goals and quickly. I agree Pearson has stopped the long ball game. and I think that is why he does not play Hendo"
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 no doubt they were happy...they were winning and they had just got relegated.. saints fans were happy with him depsite some proper crud performances, he kept us up.. winning is everything, the style (especially the position we are in) it comes in is secondary
NickG Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 NP would have been good 12 months ago, and not bad appointment now -but many others would bring more excitement and looking to the future IMHO
Dalek2003 Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 No, I'd prefer to talk about Hoddle. Much like you really. Good. We can then have a proper discussion. I am up in Norwich but in the Southampton area in 2 weeks time. I'll get the first round in.
um pahars Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 winning is everything, Indeed it is, but your comments that Pearson went "route one" are misfounded.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Indeed it is, but your comments that Pearson went "route one" are misfounded. did I say route 1.. i said direct.. we were direct under WGS...
um pahars Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 did I say route 1.. i said direct.. we were direct under WGS... OK, your comments that Pearson went "direct" are misfounded. HTH
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 OK, your comments that Pearson went "direct" are misfounded. HTH you are always right arent you...
SO16_Saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 OK, your comments that Pearson went "direct" are misfounded. HTH Have you just created a new word?? Misinformed or unfounded - misfounded...?
um pahars Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 you are always right arent you... Nope, but on this one I am;) Did you see any Leicester games last season?? I kept in touch with someone involved with Leicester last season, and I also had a friend who is a Foxes fan. Steve Fryatt's 30+ goals weren't a result of direct play.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Nope, but on this one I am;) Did you see any Leicester games last season?? I kept in touch with someone involved with Leicester last season, and I also had a friend who is a Foxes fan. Steve Fryatt's 30+ goals weren't a result of direct play. I also have leicester supporting mates who said that pearson used simple tactics..high tempo getting the ball to the "other" box as quickly as possible..and it worked (for them) he loved it as they were winning and was better than the tripe served up by ian holloway.. clearly, you must be right and what I was told must be a lie...
Pat from Poole Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Lots of predictable, same old faces. Alan Knill from Bury Am I right in thinking that he played for Saints at some point in his career? He has done astonishingly well at Bury, their fans think he is a God. Think he also did pretty well at Rotherham after they went into admin a couple of years ago. There will come a point when he will get a move to a biggish club. Problem is, after all the fanfare of the last 10 days or so, most Saints fans would be very underwhelmed by him. However, I'd take him over the frankly insane Boothroyd any day. I am hoping we get Strachan or Pearson, our two best managers of the last 10 years (including Hoddle) but Knill is probably a far more realistic possibility.
um pahars Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 I also have leicester supporting mates who said that pearson used simple tactics..high tempo getting the ball to the "other" box as quickly as possible..and it worked (for them) he loved it as they were winning and was better than the tripe served up by ian holloway.. clearly, you must be right and what I was told must be a lie... And I saw the matches on TV where they were anything but direct. They played some very good flowing and passing football. Did you see any of their matches under Pearson?
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 And I saw the matches on TV where they were anything but direct. They played some very good flowing and passing football. Did you see any of their matches under Pearson? no no you have seen a couple of matches (i must not have) and some friends have told you so...you must be 100% correct and I must be completely wrong I think we will have to agree to disagree. THANKFULLY..the chances of pearson coming here anytime soon are rather slim
um pahars Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 no no you have seen a couple of matches (i must not have) I don't know whether you have or have not seen them, hence my asking. You seem to be in a somewhat beliggerent mood on recent days. From the several matches I saw of Leicester last season, along with the regular highlights (as Champions they were featured regularly), they were not direct. So how many games did you see?
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