Weston Saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Whilst I am worried that time is not on our side if we are going to hit the ground running on the opening day of the season, I am encouraged that our new owner and his management team are not going to make a rash and uninformed decision. There are plenty of options and it looks like they are going to make sure they get the right person for the job in hand. All this talk of possible offers being turned down and who is favourite for the job is pure speculation. I suggest they will be taking advice from respected parts of the industry, sounding out candidates, looking at past records, considering coaching and leadership skills and only then drawing up a short list of prospective managers to interview. This has to be about a long term association. We must get away from the ever changing managerial position by getting back our stability and family culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 What are you intimating Philip? Who do I need to be googling lol??? Plenty of flights availability Not so many Brits there because of the exchange rates Great golf courses Not as hot as this stupid effing place. Am coming back for meetings (conveniently timed for the FP final at Lords) and was wondering where to spend a day or two - honest No idea otherwise, ask Ponty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 NP was having a run in with Mandaric as earl as the end of last season.I do wonder. That seems a more reasonable guess than most I've read on this thread. At least they would all have a good reason to stay quiet until issues between the clubs have been settled. It's otherwise quite strange that the local media speculation is so utterly quiet. I don't believe that Oldknow/Cortese have spent several days drawing up a shortlist, nor do I believe that they haven't approached any of the obvious names if they were interested in them. They might have been turned down already by one or two. I can't help being a bit nervous seeing the days tick away and the team sent out to lose time and again without seemingly a real thought to the consequences. It is not a good build-up to deal with -10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi-skacel Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 what happens then if the persons on the candidate list all say no ,are we gonna have a panic appointment,wotte had to go,but i feel we should have kept him until a new man was confirmed,then wotte could have been sacked and the new man announced a couple of days later.the season is drawing ever closer,and we are running out of time to get new players,and get them associated with the new man,and used to the way he wants them to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Come on phil..come on home and stop playing games...You know you want the job:smt044 Tough one really - thought about mailing my cv to nohumanresourcedepartment@saintsfc.co.uk, but it was only almost one full line long - I'm a Winner. Thought about giving them a call, but that would sound too much like a couple of other managers out there grovelling for jobs in a recession. Thought I'd got the nod yesterday when I had a missed call from a UK number I didn't recognise while putting out on the 10th green. Turned out to be the divorce lawyers' secretary chasing a bill. So I guess I'll leave it to the more conventional approach - via here - Dear Andy, I'm available, have my backroom staff sorted, will be avaliable for interview around 25th or earlier if you send me a ticket. Please contact my UK agent, Ottery St Mary via TSW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Whilst I am worried that time is not on our side if we are going to hit the ground running on the opening day of the season, I am encouraged that our new owner and his management team are not going to make a rash and uninformed decision. There are plenty of options and it looks like they are going to make sure they get the right person for the job in hand. All this talk of possible offers being turned down and who is favourite for the job is pure speculation. I suggest they will be taking advice from respected parts of the industry, sounding out candidates, looking at past records, considering coaching and leadership skills and only then drawing up a short list of prospective managers to interview. This has to be about a long term association. We must get away from the ever changing managerial position by getting back our stability and family culture. I think they are going for someone that may not be easily available - perhaps at another club - as after all, Boothroyd and Cotterill could be appointed at the drop of a hat as free agents. I agree on taking time as long as you get the right person that enthuses the fans - we rushed Sturrock and for various reasons - many not clear - it backfired badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Hi. I've not revealed this before now but I'm Gordon Strachan's milkman. I went to deliver his four pints of gold top as usual this morning and noticed that his delivery from Saturday was still on the doorstep. Anyone know if he's gone on holiday or not? Thanks, Ernie Dear Ernie , I am lead to believe that the person you are refering to is currently on holiday for twoweeks more in Spain . BR CM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I agree ... I've been saying that After the euphoria of being "saved" by Leibherr, things really have stalled IMHO So Oldknow says " no rush" ... really .... surprise to me .... Getting a Manager appointed is vital ... NOW Mr Oldknow ...... not when you can get round to it I see your frustration but what would you do? He may have identified who we wants but is still negotiating, a good manager is going to get what he wants (not just salary wise). So the alternative is to take the best manager currently not working? We've waited this long, whatever the baptism of L1, I personally would wait a little longer, set myself a realistic time target and if that fails...well I'm no expert either! Cheers Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Due Dilligence..Would appear to be the clear favourite...Mentioned so many times in recent weeks.....Never heard of him myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Dear Ernie , I am lead to believe that the person you are refering to is currently on holiday for twoweeks more in Spain . BR CM Dear Charlie, Many thanks for that. Malaga per chance? Do you know when he's back so that I can start leaving my milk on his doorstep again*? Kind regards, Ernie *(courtesy http://www.101_favourite_euphemisms.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Good things come to those who wait. Quite possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Whilst I am worried that time is not on our side if we are going to hit the ground running on the opening day of the season, I am encouraged that our new owner and his management team are not going to make a rash and uninformed decision. There are plenty of options and it looks like they are going to make sure they get the right person for the job in hand. All this talk of possible offers being turned down and who is favourite for the job is pure speculation. I suggest they will be taking advice from respected parts of the industry, sounding out candidates, looking at past records, considering coaching and leadership skills and only then drawing up a short list of prospective managers to interview. This has to be about a long term association. We must get away from the ever changing managerial position by getting back our stability and family culture. Absolutely Weston. The one thing I'm more than pleased about is that when the decision is made it will not have been a knee jerk reaction and the incoming manager knows he will have time & money to do his job (and so will the players - which is very important IMHO). I fully expect the contract to be for more than 2 years or a bloody rolling one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I hear Malaga is very nice this time of year No it isn't it's full of fat pr@ts from Tranmere and their all in wrestler lady friends. NB, Charlie Miller- Led Zeppelin- think on it,not Lead Zeppelin though. I lead, I am led. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 or perhaps the person is still on holiday as is being intimated but alos giving instructions who to bring in. I wonder why Voltz is at the club (apparently)this would not be happening I would have thought unless a new man was already sounded out as they'd want thier own people. Unless Lowe is still in the background Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 That's all well and good but wouldn't it have been better to keep wotte around until a replacement is found? Bit weird isn't it ? I would have though the logical thing to do would have been to keep him until a replacement comes in. Ass far as I ws aware he was on a rollign contract ???Doesn't that sort of attitude just show scant regard for what might be best for Wotte? What did you expect them to say to him - "Mark, we are now looking to replace you, would you mind hanging around in limbo looking after the team while we find the right person? I am sure you have nothing better to do, like securing your future elsewhere"......or perhaps you think they should have pretended not to be looking for a replacement, i.e. keep it a secret from him and the rest of the planet until the replacement is found then bomb him out? Neither option sounds feasible to me, so the only option was to terminate his contract as soon as possible so that there is no ambiguity or underhandedness about any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I wonder why Voltz is at the club (apparently) Voltz or Volz? cheers p.s. source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 (edited) Absolutely Weston. The one thing I'm more than pleased about is that when the decision is made it will not have been a knee jerk reaction and the incoming manager knows he will have time & money to do his job (and so will the players - which is very important IMHO). I fully expect the contract to be for more than 2 years or a bloody rolling one. Hiring football managers seems to be a complete lottery anyway, might as well get on with it sharpish.We're in League 1, any competent hack will do for that. At the end of the day it's the players that will succeed or fail and we need to get some that are more susceptible to do the former. ; Edited 14 July, 2009 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 or perhaps the person is still on holiday as is being intimated but alos giving instructions who to bring in. I wonder why Voltz is at the club (apparently) this would not be happening I would have thought unless a new man was already sounded out as they'd want thier own people. Unless Lowe is still in the background Lol Eh??!! I know he was on 5 Live talking about KD knicking his sweater but I didn't know he was that desperate to get it back!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Hiring football managers seems to be a complete lottery anyway, might as well get on with it sharpish.Were in League 1, any competent hack will do for that. At the end of the day it's the players that will succeed or fail and we need to get some that are more susceptible to do the former. ; Is that what happened when JP and Mark Wotte were selected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Eh??!! I know he was on 5 Live talking about KD knicking his sweater but I didn't know he was that desperate to get it back!! where was he when he knicked it then? I obviously have jumped to conclusions here...oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Personally i'd have sacked Wotte like they did. It was the honourable thing to do. To keep him on and then sack him would have been a bit out of order. I agree to a point. If they knew who they want and were sure that they could get him in quickly then get rid of Wotte ASAP and move along with there guy soon after. But if they dont know who they want we could be running right up to the start of the season with henderson and no additions to the squad. I believe it will all turn good in the end but they are playing with a possible relegation fight next season the longer they take to get it sorted. maybe they had who they wanted lined up thinking he would say yes? Maybe he said no and now they are looking for Plan B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I hear Malaga is very nice this time of year It is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I think they are going for someone that may not be easily available - perhaps at another club - as after all, Boothroyd and Cotterill could be appointed at the drop of a hat as free agents. I agree on taking time as long as you get the right person that enthuses the fans - we rushed Sturrock and for various reasons - many not clear - it backfired badly. We didn't rush appointing Sturrock. It was a few weeks after WGS left that Sturrock was appointed. During that time Steve Wigley was temporarily in charge, for his first stint at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Is that what happened when JP and Mark Wotte were selected? Frankly i'd much rather we'd have kept Wotte than go into the period of limbo that we"re currently experiencing.I don't rate Strachan overmuch, not for the salary he'll be demanding.He keeps walking out on clubs so as not toget to the fatal 5th season.Keegan is the same, I want a younger man with everything to prove,and I don't mean Dowie.Still perhaps getting mauled by Ajax reserves will kick their arses into gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 what happens then if the persons on the candidate list all say no ,are we gonna have a panic appointment,wotte had to go,but i feel we should have kept him until a new man was confirmed,then wotte could have been sacked and the new man announced a couple of days later.the season is drawing ever closer,and we are running out of time to get new players,and get them associated with the new man,and used to the way he wants them to play. My own real gut feeling in all of this is that ... Leiber/Cotese are Real PROFESSIONAL men ... and are SUCCESSFUL in what they do. Therefore I just cannot believe that they would have got rid of our Manager, if they had not NAILED DOWN the Manager THEY wanted They are too professional an outfit to do that surely ???? In all they have done so far, the key words have been "Swift and Decisive" I have an inkling that they HAVE already seciured the services of the Manager of THEIR choice. .... to be unveiled at THEIR chosing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Dear Ernie , I am lead to believe that the person you are refering to is currently on holiday for twoweeks more in Spain . BR CM Ernie Didn't Two Ton Ted the baker pass on the message? I know he was told to....watch out for his pork pies ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 My own real gut feeling in all of this is that ... Leiber/Cotese are Real PROFESSIONAL men ... and are SUCCESSFUL in what they do. Therefore I just cannot believe that they would have got rid of our Manager, if they had not NAILED DOWN the Manager THEY wanted They are too professional an outfit to do that surely ???? In all they have done so far, the key words have been "Swift and Decisive" I have an inkling that they HAVE already seciured the services of the Manager of THEIR choice. .... to be unveiled at THEIR chosing.Has RL been in the decision making as well, you know he always does when he has something to do with things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Hiring football managers seems to be a complete lottery anyway, might as well get on with it sharpish.We're in League 1, any competent hack will do for that. At the end of the day it's the players that will succeed or fail and we need to get some that are more susceptible to do the former. ; Sorry WC I'm not of that standpoint. I think you'll find that the better teams have a consistent manager that has clear goals and views on how to do things. They are then backed by the board. Without the correct "hack" you will not get the type of players you allude to. ML wants to build I believe why start building without the right footings - your just storing up problems for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 We need someone in as soon as possible, for them to assess what we have and what we need, the season is under 4 weeks away so oldknow needs to get his finger out and get a move on, we are starting at a disadvantage with -10 points we dont need any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 What's the collective noun for a bunch of winkers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Frankly i'd much rather we'd have kept Wotte than go into the period of limbo that we"re currently experiencing.I don't rate Strachan overmuch, not for the salary he'll be demanding.He keeps walking out on clubs so as not toget to the fatal 5th season.Keegan is the same, I want a younger man with everything to prove,and I don't mean Dowie.Still perhaps getting mauled by Ajax reserves will kick their arses into gear. Onwards and upwards...But probably more slowly than we all hope... To be fair to Wotte and his future he had to go as he was not up to English league football and that includes this level ..What he could have achieved now is easily achievable by Henderson...Much more experience and respected by the players....Sorry windows..Mark was not good for The Mighty Saints.... I will never forget what happened to JP and who was part of that little episode.....MW should have departed along with JP...We may have stood half a chance in the remaining games.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 No rush then. My season ticket renewals could well be post Ajax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 No rush then. My season ticket renewals could well be post Ajax. Not that i'm unsure of whether i'll renew. I'm just not keen on free tickets to see a shambles versus Ajax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 What's the collective noun for a bunch of winkers? a flopée Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Sorry WC I'm not of that standpoint. I think you'll find that the better teams have a consistent manager that has clear goals and views on how to do things. They are then backed by the board. Without the correct "hack" you will not get the type of players you allude to. ML wants to build I believe why start building without the right footings - your just storing up problems for the future. I am with WC on this most clubs do not have any meaningful strategies and get in managers who are available. Managers are constantly being sacked not only at SFC but elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I am with WC on this most clubs do not have any meaningful strategies and get in managers who are available. Managers are constantly being sacked not only at SFC but elsewhere So we should appoint Tony Adams then should we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Oldknow needs to act now - if he dilly dallys for much longer Adams will be the only man left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I am with WC on this most clubs do not have any meaningful strategies and get in managers who are available. Managers are constantly being sacked not only at SFC but elsewhere Well maybe we should actually have a strategy then, rather than simply appoint the first available hack who happens to be available. I'd far prefer to see an end to the managerial appointment/disappointment cycle we've been in for so many years. Who knows - we may just become a club which doesn't change manager every year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Patience, I am sure they will make the right choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Oldknow needs to act now - if he dilly dallys for much longer Adams will be the only man left maybe they are trying to tempt adams still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 or perhaps the person is still on holiday as is being intimated but alos giving instructions who to bring in. I wonder why Voltz is at the club (apparently)this would not be happening I would have thought unless a new man was already sounded out as they'd want thier own people. Unless Lowe is still in the background Lol Or perhaps the man they ahve in mind is currently in employment and they have to tread carefully to minimise compensation or to wait for him to reach a milestone in his contract? Face it guys, we have no idea what's going on. personally I would be happy to see nickh get the job. I felt he was more than a little unlucky in the forum game and if some of his players' fitness was questionable that is more down to his backroom team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 So we should appoint Tony Adams then should we? I dont really see why not some other club will probably do so. What is the problem with Adams anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 His record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Oldknow needs to act now - if he dilly dallys for much longer Adams will be the only man left If Oldknow is the decider I shudder to think who we might get, does the man actually know anything about football? He's a marketing man isn't he? Incidentally I see that the 'hospitality deals" are up on the OS for the Ajax game, 1000£ for an executive box and £65/person for ordinary punters just seems excessive to me,given the team that we're going to put on the pitch,I personally wouldn't pay 50p to watch any team with Lancashire and Wootton in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Well maybe we should actually have a strategy then, rather than simply appoint the first available hack who happens to be available. I'd far prefer to see an end to the managerial appointment/disappointment cycle we've been in for so many years. Who knows - we may just become a club which doesn't change manager every year or so. The only strategy at most clubs is we will keep the manager until results are poor then sack him Surely thats what happens most of the time I would have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I dont really see why not some other club will probably do so. What is the problem with Adams anyway? is this a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Lynam Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Oldknow needs to act now - if he dilly dallys for much longer Adams will be the only man left I couldn't help but have a look at your forum this morning to see what is going on. So as I have, I may as well be a little controversial - I could not disagree with this comment more. Andy Oldknow and his colleagues had better take their time and get the decision right. Be assured that they will be consulting with 'football people' over the appointment of the manager, and rest assured that they will want to take the care and time needed to ensure that it does not end up as a quick fix manager. Moreover, someone who can carefully develop the team for success beyond League 1. For what it is worth, I don't believe Tony Adams will be your next manager. I'm sure he's a really nice guy, but my money is on................... someone else! All the best, and good luck against Ajax Regards Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 The only strategy at most clubs is we will keep the manager until results are poor then sack him Not the successful ones. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 personally I would be happy to see nickh get the job. I felt he was more than a little unlucky in the forum game and if some of his players' fitness was questionable that is more down to his backroom team Foxy you have just pushed your way back into reckoning as the star forward.Tough choice though, i did read that DrogBaj is getting annoyed as being known as injury prone, in fact its getting right up his nose. I do agree we had a poor fitness regime and the last 2 minutes were costly.There again having the world against us due to middle eastern business practice did not help the cause.WHERE'S the DVD?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I couldn't help but have a look at your forum this morning to see what is going on. So as I have, I may as well be a little controversial - I could not disagree with this comment more. Andy Oldknow and his colleagues had better take their time and get the decision right. Be assured that they will be consulting with 'football people' over the appointment of the manager, and rest assured that they will want to take the care and time needed to ensure that it does not end up as a quick fix manager. Moreover, someone who can carefully develop the team for success beyond League 1. For what it is worth, I don't believe Tony Adams will be your next manager. I'm sure he's a really nice guy, but my money is on................... someone else! All the best, and good luck against Ajax Regards Tony thanks for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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