hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Seriously what the F*** has this got to do with saints? Fair enough sticky it in the lounge but it really has no place on the main board.
jam Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Seriously what the F*** has this got to do with saints? Fair enough sticky it in the lounge but it really has no place on the main board. According to SrS about one in six of the troops on parade are Saints fans; I reckon that makes it qualify as Saints related. The discussion about whether the troops should be in Afghanistan is not could certainly have stayed in The Lounge.
Hoggins Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Leave the political views, either turn up or don't. 300 soldiers will be marching, of that, aroun 50 will be Saints fans or have local connections... go out and support them, they don't get to choose where they go, and one day, one of their operations might be saving you, or one of your loved ones lives. lol, wat
pfc123 Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Whilst I share with you wholeheartedly your praise & thanks to the 'Tigers' 1976 - I'm sure I'm in an ever-decreasing minority here by saying that I actually DO think the job the lads are doing in Afghanistan is a necessary one?!?! We've stopped the Taliban running training camps there (hand in hand with al qaeda of course) - and more importantly - it's absolutely vital that the Taliban are prevented from taking a foothold in either Afghanistan or neighbouring Pakistan. The Swat Valley - once called the 'Switzerland of Pakistan' for its natural beauty - is now the Taliban's battle ground for Islamic fundamentalism where harsh Islamic (shari'a) law is imposed on the population and fully sanctioned by the Pakistani government. In recent weeks, armed Taliban fighters set up checkpoints and occupied mosques in the Buner region just 60 miles from Islamabad, declaring Islamic law before retreating after striking a deal with the government. It may be an uneasy "peace" between the Taliban and the Pakistani government at the moment - but it won't be long before fighting flares-up once again. The Yanks have a large military force on the Afghan-Pakistan border as we all know - and for good reason. The US (along with the UK) know that it doesn't bear thinking about - the consequences of the Taliban (let alone al qaeda) getting their hands anywhere near Pakistan's nuclear weapons. So (personally anyway) - I can see sense in keeping a large force in the area & especially Afghanistan. The dirty filthy Taliban are truly evil - evil in the sense that I wouldn't put anything past them - least of all the massive "bargaining chip" of a nuclear device or two. They live in the stone-age - and they want everyone to live like it too. I cannot even begin to fathom why a certain race of human beings would want to live life as if it were 500 or even 1000 years ago? Yep, quite the nastiest bunch of people ever to wield power anywhere in the world, and that includes outfits like the Communists, Nazi's, Khmer Rouge etc etc. An interesting illustration of just how terrible these people are is that twice in the last six months or so I've heard respected BBC correspondents openly calling them 'Bastards' live on air. On both occasions the programme host had to apologise for the language, but it just goes to show how truly, truly evil the Taliban are. you think all this is for no reason then..? it is a FACT that the Taliban were harbouring Al Qeada it is a FACT that terrorist training camps existed in Afghanistan It is a FACT that the the Taliban were growing strong in Pakistan It is a FACT that the Taliban are NOW insurgents and not the governing power in Afghanistan dont just go on what you read in the papers ffs, the facts are out there that we are winning the war... how long that will take who knows...are we putting a proper effort in, who knows...the fact remains that the people that killed more british citizens in a single terror attack have been and are being blown up..yes, they fight back and yes it is no palatable....but they are being wiped off the earth sounds horrible but there you go Yep. It's pretty awful to be reduced to that conclusion but you are right I'm afraid. They're now apparently offering the locals in the border area's the equivalent of £9,000 to anyone willing to give up a child to become a suicide bomber. Faced with that level of ruthlessness, we're not far from kill or be killed over there....
saintwarwick Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Do we know this, or are we told this? Depends on what you want to believe.
Charlie Wayman Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 I was there! There are difficult days ahead for these young men as they head off to Helmund Province and we must hope that their day in the sun parading through the City will help fortify their resolve. They know that they will travel with the goodwill of us all. After all, it is we, the people that they are protecting. Pray for their safe return
chrisobee Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Oh my lord, I got stick for complaining "too much" about perceived racism on TMS ( fairly or unfairly it matters not) and now people are complaining about this being on the main board. The world's gone crazy !!
Trumush Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Just back, I know I'm biased but I thought we did the boys proud today. Well done whoever decided to hang the enormous UJ from the construction crane nearby. Two of the local lads received medals from the mayoress - nice touch. Tickertape at the Bargate was fantastic. Proud to be British today,and proud as ever to be a mush. Rule Britannia.
Hoggins Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 I was there! There are difficult days ahead for these young men as they head off to Helmund Province and we must hope that their day in the sun parading through the City will help fortify their resolve. They know that they will travel with the goodwill of us all. After all, it is we, the people that they are protecting. Pray for their safe return They're not protecting us in the slightest. They're fighting America's wars. Whilst I do not envy them at all, 'our' troops presence in the Middle East only serves to put the public in more danger, unfortunately.
saintwarwick Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Nope. There are probably a whole host of reasons, one of which will more than likely be to serve the country. Others might be to escape the dole, see the world, kick some arabs or play with guns but I doubt whether many would have thought that being blown up in far away ditches, while politicians safely back at home keep changing the story, was part of the attraction. Maybe I'm just a bit more cynical about the propaganda that's fed to us. I'm sure they know whats going on in Afghanistan before they sign up
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Not Saints related in the slightest, but wanted to mention on here that 1st battalion Princess of Wales' Royal Regiment ( Queens and Royal Hampshires ) will be marching through Southampton tommorow ( and Romsey in the afternoon ) . There are alot of Saints fans in the Regiment, infact probably Saints are the best supported team in the battalion, I know they will all be proud as punch marching through the City tommorow, the lads I have spoken to can't wait for it, so if you are around then make sure you get out and support the lads. 11:30 in Southampton, marching through town at around 12. 4pm in Romsey. Mods: Let this one slide ( or sticky, until tommorow and you can nuke it, please. ;-) Good call Stu, Ive worked alongside these guys in Iraq and on several exercises, but I can assure you that there are also many Skates among that lot. But great of you to put this up, and I can assure you that this kind of recognition and support is a great comfort to Soldiers like me. Cheers mate!
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 They're not protecting us in the slightest. They're fighting America's wars. Whilst I do not envy them at all, 'our' troops presence in the Middle East only serves to put the public in more danger, unfortunately. What about the July 7th Bombings then? where do you think this stems from? If we dont fight them in Afghanistan, we'll be fighting them in our home cities, do you fancy being fragged on your way to work? Thought not.
um pahars Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Very impressed with the Romsey part of this parade today. There was a real sense of pride and great community spirit being shown with all ages there showing their support for the troops. Without being drawn into the politics, it was a pretty patriotic occasion and something of Great Britainin the Market Place at 4:10 today.
aintforever Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 What about the July 7th Bombings then? where do you think this stems from? If we dont fight them in Afghanistan, we'll be fighting them in our home cities, do you fancy being fragged on your way to work? Thought not. The Taliban obviously need to be dealt with but why the hell should it be our problem? The terror threat is world-wide yet the British and the Americans are the mugs who shoulder most of the effort. We should withdraw all our forces now and let some crap-hole like France send a decent amount of troops - we have done more than our share as usual. We are just a small island on a big planet, we're not a colonial power anymore. The more we stick our noses into other people crap the more of a target we become.
StuRomseySaint Posted 14 July, 2009 Author Posted 14 July, 2009 Good call Stu, Ive worked alongside these guys in Iraq and on several exercises, but I can assure you that there are also many Skates among that lot. But great of you to put this up, and I can assure you that this kind of recognition and support is a great comfort to Soldiers like me. Cheers mate! I spent almost 6 years in 1PWRR so I am fully aware that there are a few skates in the Regiment, but they are more than outnumbered by Saints fans! ;-) Emotional homecoming for the lads today, makes you proud to be English when you see so many people taking time out of their day to thank them and show support.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 The Taliban obviously need to be dealt with but why the hell should it be our problem? The terror threat is world-wide yet the British and the Americans are the mugs who shoulder most of the effort. We should withdraw all our forces now and let some crap-hole like France send a decent amount of troops - we have done more than our share as usual. We are just a small island on a big planet, we're not a colonial power anymore. The more we stick our noses into other people crap the more of a target we become. ummm why not..? we are one of the 5 permanent member of the security council, we are one of the worlds richest countries, we know full well what it is like having evil regimes on your door step plenty of other NATO countries dig in, canada have a very sizable force there..the Danish do did you know an Italian soldior dies there today..? the press focus on the french and germany lets have a look the germans, hmm after their history they find it MASSIVELY difficult to use theur force other than homeland defence and the french...considering they have only just joined the military participation of NATO...not too sure what else they can do.. a question..Just because other countries like france are not involved, does that justify us NOT being involved..?
aintforever Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 ummm why not..? we are one of the 5 permanent member of the security council, we are one of the worlds richest countries, we know full well what it is like having evil regimes on your door step plenty of other NATO countries dig in, canada have a very sizable force there..the Danish do did you know an Italian soldior dies there today..? the press focus on the french and germany lets have a look the germans, hmm after their history they find it MASSIVELY difficult to use theur force other than homeland defence and the french...considering they have only just joined the military participation of NATO...not too sure what else they can do.. a question..Just because other countries like france are not involved, does that justify us NOT being involved..? France was just one example, there are hundreds of other countries not putting in anywhere near the troops we are. What about Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Sweden etc etc..... Having a larger amount of troops shooting Muslims just makes us much more of a target, the 7th July bombers all came from the UK, and were probably motivated by watching pictures of British troops gunning down people they identify with.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 France was just one example, there are hundreds of other countries not putting in anywhere near the troops we are. What about Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Sweden etc etc..... Having a larger amount of troops shooting Muslims just makes us much more of a target, the 7th July bombers all came from the UK, and were probably motivated by watching pictures of British troops gunning down people they identify with. you mean...traditionally neutral countries like switzerland..?..many of these other countries you mention barely have an armed force and what they do have is used soley for homeland defence and for the highlighted bit..i think you are just making wild assumptions on something that you read on the daily socialist..ffs infact, your points are so ill informed it is untrue..you have made your mind up on news paper snippets and what you see on the beeb.. what do you want..the whole ****ing world in the afghanistan, tearing the ****ing country up... do you know how much harder it will be if "everyone" piled in there.. jesus..
aintforever Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 you mean...traditionally neutral countries like switzerland..?..many of these other countries you mention barely have an armed force and what they do have is used soley for homeland defence and for the highlighted bit..i think you are just making wild assumptions on something that you read on the daily socialist..ffs infact, your points are so ill informed it is untrue..you have made your mind up on news paper snippets and what you see on the beeb.. what do you want..the whole ****ing world in the afghanistan, tearing the ****ing country up... do you know how much harder it will be if "everyone" piled in there.. jesus.. Well for starters it would help if all the current countries that were in there put in the same amount of troops as us. And I couldn't give a toss if Switzerland or whoever were traditionally neutral, I expect some Swiss died in 9/11 just like some Brits did, it's their problem as much as ours. It's admirable that the British feel it is their need to sort out crap like this but enough is enough, just get the hell out and let someone else clear up the mess.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Well for starters it would help if all the current countries that were in there put in the same amount of troops as us. And I couldn't give a toss if Switzerland or whoever were traditionally neutral, I expect some Swiss died in 9/11 just like some Brits did, it's their problem as much as ours. It's admirable that the British feel it is their need to sort out crap like this but enough is enough, just get the hell out and let someone else clear up the mess. how can these countries pile thousands of troops in when they do not have the numbers, kit, expertise, know how to do so.. believe it or not..only a very few armed forces in the world could logistically mount such an operation...we are (still) one of them..which is the most important aspect.. sorry if that does not sit right with you but it is a fact it is logistcally impossible for countries like switzerland, portugal, spain, austria to do so..
suewhistle Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Just nipped out of the office to watch, fantastic turnout and atmosphere, loved the ticky tape from the bargate. Well done to all involved in organising and of course the lads themselves. That's what I checked this thread for, good. As for whether we should be there, I'd leave that discussion to another place. I will say that I've taught English to Afghani refugees including women, and if we do withdraw I hope you all accept an increase in such refugees.
Ash Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Odds on some Muslim nutters protesting against the march and heckling 'em? Did this happen? No! The news story which featured some "Muslim nutters" was blown out of all proportion, about ten blokes acting like bell ends is hardly representative of the entire Muslim population of this country. Harping on about it just makes you seem like a bit of a plum.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Did this happen? No! The news story which featured some "Muslim nutters" was blown out of all proportion, about ten blokes acting like bell ends is hardly representative of the entire Muslim population of this country. Harping on about it just makes you seem like a bit of a plum. unless all muslims are nutter then he was being pretty specific..
aintforever Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 how can these countries pile thousands of troops in when they do not have the numbers, kit, expertise, know how to do so.. believe it or not..only a very few armed forces in the world could logistically mount such an operation...we are (still) one of them..which is the most important aspect.. sorry if that does not sit right with you but it is a fact it is logistcally impossible for countries like switzerland, portugal, spain, austria to do so.. That's rubbish, there are plenty of countrys who could do alot more: United States - 26,215 United Kingdom - 8,300 Germany - 3,465 France - 3,200 Italy - 2,850 Canada - 2,830 Poland - 1,990 Netherlands - 1,770 Australia - 1,490 Romania - 860 Bulgaria - 820 Spain - 780 Denmark - 700 Turkey - 660 Belgium - 650 Norway - 588 Czech Republic - 580 Are you seriously trying to say that the Czech repulic only has the logistics to move 580 troops to Afganistan?
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 That's rubbish, there are plenty of countrys who could do alot more: United States - 26,215 United Kingdom - 8,300 Germany - 3,465 France - 3,200 Italy - 2,850 Canada - 2,830 Poland - 1,990 Netherlands - 1,770 Australia - 1,490 Romania - 860 Bulgaria - 820 Spain - 780 Denmark - 700 Turkey - 660 Belgium - 650 Norway - 588 Czech Republic - 580 Are you seriously trying to say that the Czech repulic only has the logistics to move 580 troops to Afganistan? do you have any idea what so EVER of the logistics invollved..? clearly not.. did you know that MANY of these forces with the lower numbers are there to protect their citizens who are over there for contract work...did you also know that many many of these are housed within UK and American bases..many work with Kandahar Airport (which is massive) which is in turn run by the RAF..? do you know that is inherintly dangerous to have many large fighting elements of the occupation...imagine the friendly fire fiscos that will happen...
dubai_phil Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Strewth, did Rupert Lowe march with the biys? You;d think so after the arguments on here. The troops marched, the real community came out to support them, that is how it should be. FFS even down here in a MUSLIM country (for the apologists), we get parades of the troops with their western equipment and style of uniforms and the locals feel good about it. Hell, the guys even have a band composed of Bagpipes. Meanwhile for the so informed crew making their political statements, the Taliban are EVERYBODY'S problem. The Pakistanis tried to "appease them" hell they even supported them and helped found them, now they have discovered they are a cancer even in Islam. Others SHOULD be doing more to fight them in Afghanistan, the Pakistanis have done a decent job in the SWAT valley (fantastic place to visit BTW), the point is that these idiots are not regarded as true Muslims, they are fanatics who's aim is to make all of us live in mud huts while they sit in their Majlis, these lads are not fighting some "Yankee political war" they are fighting to stop World War 3 and are the only ones with the balls to stand up and be counted. Sure they ain't got the best equipment, the best plans or the best leadership, but if they fail, the only ones laughing will be the P.C. nuts, the guys down here and true Muslims world wide will be horrified. You want a villain - watch Charlie Wilson's war, we just have to clean up the mess. There were Saints fans there, those same Saints fans will be out in Helmond and I pray none of them become a statistic, they deserved their day on the streets and on here. Respect and safe return home to them all, let us hope when they get back from their tour they can watch us in our pormotion run-in
Hoggins Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 What about the July 7th Bombings then? where do you think this stems from? If we dont fight them in Afghanistan, we'll be fighting them in our home cities, do you fancy being fragged on your way to work? Thought not. 7/7 was committed by British Muslims in response to our involvement in the Middle East. That attack probably wouldn't have taken place had we not gone to Afghanistan and Iraq. But going certainly didn't prevent it, that is for sure..
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 7/7 was committed by British Muslims in response to our involvement in the Middle East. That attack probably wouldn't have taken place had we not gone to Afghanistan and Iraq. But going certainly didn't prevent it, that is for sure.. was 9/11 a result of us being there...?
.comsaint Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 7/7 was committed by British Muslims in response to our involvement in the Middle East. That attack probably wouldn't have taken place had we not gone to Afghanistan and Iraq. But going certainly didn't prevent it, that is for sure.. So - why did the 9/11 attacks take place then?
St_Tel49 Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 Did this happen? No! The news story which featured some "Muslim nutters" was blown out of all proportion, about ten blokes acting like bell ends is hardly representative of the entire Muslim population of this country. Harping on about it just makes you seem like a bit of a plum. And, as it happens, the Muslim community in Luton have told the group who were the hecklers to f*** off out of Luton.
dubai_phil Posted 14 July, 2009 Posted 14 July, 2009 7/7 was committed by British Muslims in response to our involvement in the Middle East. That attack probably wouldn't have taken place had we not gone to Afghanistan and Iraq. But going certainly didn't prevent it, that is for sure.. And where did most of the "British Muslims" who preached to these vulnerable people come from? Oh yes, they were kicked out of their own MUSLIM countries for being too radical, and yet you idiots not only gave them asylum, and the dole, but also gave them a platform to spout the very hatred that even radical Muslim societies such as Saudi deemed too strong. Time to lock the thread
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