stevegrant Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Squad announced today for the second test, no surprises. 14-man squad comprising the 11 who played at Cardiff plus Harmison, Onions and Bell. Flintoff is an injury doubt, he's having a scan on his knee - apparently the same knee he injured in the IPL. Great. We've not beaten the Aussies at Lord's since 1934 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Harmison and Onions in for Monty and Freddie then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Harmison and Onions in for Monty and Freddie then agree. Unless Bell comes in for Flintoff if they chose to go with an extra bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 (edited) Hmmm... If you could name your 14, who would it be? I have to say, I think it's time we started giving some promising county prospects a chance. OK, now, in the middles of the Ashes isn't an ideal time to blood them but maybe, just maybe they will be inspired to shine... Surely Hildreth, Trott, Moore, Foster, Rashid and Patel are worth a shot??? Damn, we've never replaced Trescothick, have we? For 2nd Test Strauss Cook (though I am tempted to suggest Moore) Pietersen (moved him up to 3) Bopara Collingwood Foster (Gah, going for the specialist wicketkeeper now...) Flintoff (if fit) Swann Sidebottom (though I am tempted to keep Anderson, just think there is more fire in the belly of the likes of Sidebottom) Onions Harmison (Once again, a **** or bust decision with Harmy but I honestly think he is someone that can **** up the Aussies) Also, read alot of about a Josh Cobb of Leics and Bairstow (Wk) at Yorkshire who promsing prospects... can anyone shed any light on these talents? Edited 13 July, 2009 by Crab Lungs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Squad is: A Strauss (capt), J Anderson, I Bell, R Bopara, S Broad, P Collingwood, A Cook, A Flintoff, S Harmison, G Onions, M Panesar, K Pietersen, M Prior (wkt), G Swann Apparently Harmison cover for Flintoff who has a knee injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 agree. Unless Bell comes in for Flintoff if they chose to go with an extra bat. No point in picking Bell end. Might as well play extra bowler who will probably score as many runs if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 No point in picking Bell end. Might as well play extra bowler who will probably score as many runs if not more. Yep, I'm not sure why they keep picking Bell now. He did Ok early on but never progressed so better to bring in a younger player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Why persist with Broad? Why not let Cook regain some confidence in the CC? Given our team, I am not confident about Lords - but surely it is time we beat them if we haven't since 1934! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Id play Harmy even if Flintoff is fit and drop Broad, and Sidebottom for Monty Id also like to drop Bopara, i just dont rate him though struggling to think of a replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Hmmm... If you could name your 14, who would it be? I have to say, I think it's time we started giving some promising county prospects a chance. OK, now, in the middles of the Ashes isn't an ideal time to blood them but maybe, just maybe they will be inspired to shine... Surely Hildreth, Trott, Moore, Foster, Rashid and Patel are worth a shot??? Damn, we've never replaced Trescothick, have we? For 2nd Test Strauss Cook (though I am tempted to suggest Moore) Pietersen (moved him up to 3) Bopara Collingwood Foster (Gah, going for the specialist wicketkeeper now...) Flintoff (if fit) Swann Sidebottom (though I am tempted to keep Anderson, just think there is more fire in the belly of the likes of Sidebottom) Onions Harmison (Once again, a **** or bust decision with Harmy but I honestly think he is someone that can **** up the Aussies) Also, read alot of about a Josh Cobb of Leics and Bairstow (Wk) at Yorkshire who promsing prospects... can anyone shed any light on these talents? I'd drop Cook - Gooch needs to work on his feet and make him less vulnerable around off-stump. Geoff Miller hasn't done him any favours by keeping him in. I'd have gone for Hildreth, plays very straight which helps negate the risk of picking Bopara who is hugely talented but will always be a 0 or 100 type of player - wristy players usually are. I'd keep Prior though, we need the runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 id keep the batting the same just change monty for onions and if freddie isnt fit then harmison comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 You can't panic 1 game into a series. Sure, it wasn't great, but major change won't help anything now. My XI would be: Strauss, Cook, Bopara, Pietersen, Collingwood, Prior, Flintoff (if fit), Swann, Broad, Anderson, Onions. Close call between Onions and Harmison. If Flintoff is out then Harmy in because you need a bowler who can bang it into the pitch. You are then taking a risk by shortening the batting order, but think that is a risk you would have to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 You can't panic 1 game into a series. Sure, it wasn't great, but major change won't help anything now. My XI would be: Strauss, Cook, Bopara, Pietersen, Collingwood, Prior, Flintoff (if fit), Swann, Broad, Anderson, Onions. Close call between Onions and Harmison. If Flintoff is out then Harmy in because you need a bowler who can bang it into the pitch. You are then taking a risk by shortening the batting order, but think that is a risk you would have to take. I agree with all of that. Dropping players all over the place is just panic measures. England are a much better team than they showed in that test and it's their mentality that needs to change rather than their playing staff. With the exception of Monty for Onions. And I think it should be Onions over Harmison as he's in better nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I agree with all of that. Dropping players all over the place is just panic measures. England are a much better team than they showed in that test and it's their mentality that needs to change rather than their playing staff. With the exception of Monty for Onions. And I think it should be Onions over Harmison as he's in better nick. Harmison's taken more wickets recently than Onions and also was better at Worcester in the warm-up. Sure, he had a stinker in Brisbane and can be infuriating but the Aussies don't like facing him whereas Onions is similar to what we already have. I'd have swapped Monty for Harmy assuming Freddie is fit. It's almost tempting to swap Broad for Onions but Broad can bat well but does need to step up a level against the top sides as he was poor against SA last summer as well. Taking millions of wickets against the WI or NZ isn't always a benchmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 15 July, 2009 Share Posted 15 July, 2009 Pietersen is rated as 50/50 for tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 15 July, 2009 Share Posted 15 July, 2009 Pietersen is rated as 50/50 for tomorrow. Didn't even know he was injured and Bell has left the squad !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 15 July, 2009 Share Posted 15 July, 2009 Oh, a masterpiece of understatement! "If you have gone for 670 runs and taken only six wickets then it is probably not a great option to reduce your bowling attack. We are pretty happy with the five bowlers." Andrew Strauss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NI76 Posted 15 July, 2009 Share Posted 15 July, 2009 Assuming Flintoff is fit, I'd bring in Onions and Harmison for Broad and Swann. If Flintoff is injured, Broad gets a reprieve. However, what I expect to happen is Onions for Monty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 16 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 July, 2009 According to Aggers on his Twitter feed, everyone's fit, so it's 10 from Cardiff plus one from Monty, Harmison and Onions. My bet is Onions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 Assuming Flintoff is fit, I'd bring in Onions and Harmison for Broad and Swann. If Flintoff is injured, Broad gets a reprieve. However, what I expect to happen is Onions for Monty. cant drop swann imo, both him and monty had a bad game last time round but swann is the better spinner of the 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 Pietersen is rated as 50/50 for tomorrow. KP has been passed fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 According to Aggers on his Twitter feed, everyone's fit, so it's 10 from Cardiff plus one from Monty, Harmison and Onions. My bet is Onions. Agree. Especially as they said Harmlesson was only in as cover for Frediie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 KP has been passed fit I always worry with England though we say players are 100% fit when they are not, then usually find out later that they were only just fit enough to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 16 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 July, 2009 England win the toss and will bat first. Onions in for Panesar is the only change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 onions in for monty..only change england won toss and will bat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 England win the toss and will bat first. Onions in for Panesar is the only change. beat me to it ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 Got to try and make at least 400, but we saw what happened last time when we did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 I predict a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 Got to try and make at least 400, but we saw what happened last time when we did that. Need 550, even if it takes us 2 and a half days, this is test cricket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 Need 550, even if it takes us 2 and a half days, this is test cricket. Well usually when you get 400 you are pretty safe, it's just we are playing Australia and our bowling seems pretty unformidable. However I expect Onions to do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 Trotting along quite nicely here. We want to play it patient but Johnson's bowled some absolute bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithd Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 57-0...apparently their highest ever partnership together!! pretty poor when you consider how many efforts they've had at it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 has anyone got the Skyplayer installed on their (work) pc? bloody brilliant!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 Both of these openers have to cash in now and get 100s - wear the bowlers down on a pig of a slow surface like Ponting and Katich did to us in Cardiff. 500+ and then hope it gets variable bounce later on. Although I'd have been keen to have picked Harmy, Onions skiddy seamers may fare better on this surface. The bad news is that the bang-it-in bowlers like Broad and Flintoff might not do so well. Hard to tell with Mitchell Johnson as he was patchy at Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 16 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 July, 2009 57-0...apparently their highest ever partnership together!! pretty poor when you consider how many efforts they've had at it.... Not true. They've got 6 century partnerships. The record is that Strauss and Cook have opened the batting together for England more than any other pair of batsmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 57-0...apparently their highest ever partnership together!! pretty poor when you consider how many efforts they've had at it.... 229 vs Windies in Feb this year. In fact they've scored higher 18 times by my reckoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 has anyone got the Skyplayer installed on their (work) pc? bloody brilliant!! yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 yep. it was buffering quite a bit earlier, but great now. its as good as sky tv on the telly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 16 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 July, 2009 Yes, but I got a bollocking for using too much bandwidth, so I'm back to TMS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 16 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 July, 2009 126 without loss at lunch... wow. Mitchell Johnson's been woeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 yep, loving the skyplayer :-) 126 / 0 at lunch very good start. lets hope we can push on after lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 Is it my imagination or do we seem to be scoring an awful lot of fours? 22 so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithd Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 Not true. They've got 6 century partnerships. The record is that Strauss and Cook have opened the batting together for England more than any other pair of batsmen. aaah that explains what i geard then! thats what happens when customers have the cheek to phone up whilst im trying to listen and watch the game! grr i say... good start. solid. bowling as woeful as ours was last test. huzzah!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 How?? Strauss has just got his 15th test 50. But he has 17 test 100s??? is it me or can that not work?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 yep. When do you do work?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 How?? Strauss has just got his 15th test 50. But he has 17 test 100s??? is it me or can that not work?? I guess when you get a 100, they don't count the 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 Oof!! That's nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 How?? Strauss has just got his 15th test 50. But he has 17 test 100s??? is it me or can that not work?? Please explain to me how that is not possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 How?? Strauss has just got his 15th test 50. But he has 17 test 100s??? is it me or can that not work?? 15 times he has got between 50 and 99 17 times he has gone past 100 (they dont count the 50) if they did count the 50 it would read 32 50's and 17 100's hope that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 16 July, 2009 Share Posted 16 July, 2009 Has Strauss just put one of their bowlers out of action? Good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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