Kingsland Red Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Daily Mail - nuff said ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 (edited) I ask myself why Seymore Pierce were so ineffective in finding a buyer during the last three years? Daily Mail. Lowe connection? Was Lowe perhaps involved in Harris's consortium? Nail.Hit.Head - IMO of course. Edited 13 July, 2009 by saint1977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 LOL. Im glad that got a chuckle from someone lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Im glad that got a chuckle from someone lol I LOL'd too Saintjay. I find myself giggling like a school girl in 'the real world' too if anyone, anyone, starts a sentence with "I ask myself..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 In response to the thread title. I, like many others, couldn't give a rat's arse what Harris thinks. You had your chance Harris. You failed. Now be a grown up about it and stop complaing. Ta very muchly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Hmm... so: Friend of former shareholder in 'Administrators didn't recoup much/enough/any of my stock value' shocker... Or is it: Friend of former CEO in 'Administrators didn't let my bid win' shocker... All allegedly of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I LOL'd too Saintjay. I find myself giggling like a school girl in 'the real world' too if anyone, anyone, starts a sentence with "I ask myself..." Oh, happy days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I LOL'd too Saintjay. I find myself giggling like a school girl in 'the real world' too if anyone, anyone, starts a sentence with "I ask myself..." haha ya know i do the same. I wonder how Ben is these days? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Must be the Sacha affect!! Sacha Baron Cohen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Donovan Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I doubt any other bid was better than what we have, so selfishly, I don't care. Exactly! We have a lone investor worth an estimated 2.5 billion in charge of the club and his first act was to secure the signature of or best player when it seemed as though he was on his way to the pl, so what does it matter if other interested parties didn't get a call back? Not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Im looking forward to Phils reply on this.Im fairly certain that Mj had similar experiences of Fry not being helpful. And some people accused Fry of doing a bad job :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 If you're so upset about it all, Seymour Pierce, let's hear chapter and verse about who your group comprised. You let it be known that you're upset because you say that the bid from your people would have been greater than that from Markus Leibherr. But that was just the bid to satisfy the creditors, who have already expressed satisfaction with what was offered by ML, otherwise they would not have accepted it. As to what the position is with us the fans, we are quite happy, thanks. We don't need anybody wealthier than ML, not that you have told us who your people are. Anyway, who would want a consortium when you can have a single owner? We've had enough internal division and bickering from clashing egos in the past. You had your chance, SP and blew it. So thanks for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Nicks quote] 'Im looking forward to Phils reply on this.Im fairly certain that Mj had similar experiences of Fry not being helpful.' [end quote} Tell me where that is wishing for Harris bid to be victorious or even MJ's. It is a case of wanting Phils opinion because if you read his posts he complained on numerous occasions of Fry putting the phone down and also being unhelpful.Nothing to do with wanting bids to suceed Let it go nick...enjoy what we have and be thankful....There are some more surpises to come hopefully:smt007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 It is a case of wanting Phils opinion because if you read his posts he complained on numerous occasions of Fry putting the phone down and also being unhelpful.Nothing to do with wanting bids to suceed Even better news. Fry is going up in my estimation with each and every one of your posts So, now he even hung up on MJ. I think I know where he's coming from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 That would be the same Seymour Pierce employed on a retainer by Lowe to find 'new investment' for Saints for a number of years, and came up with the total sum of **** all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 meh it could have been a good deal in the pipeline would have to have been bloody good to beat a multi-billionaire who is sole owner and not part of a consortium who used his own money to secure the club and wants us back in the premiership. if it was better than that, then I guess we have missed out...in the mean time i am rather happy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 (edited) Threads merged. Edited 13 July, 2009 by St Landrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 13 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 July, 2009 My thread title is more dramatic though.... Whose title did they keep??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I ask myself why Seymore Pierce were so ineffective in finding a buyer during the last three years? Daily Mail. Lowe connection? Was Lowe perhaps involved in Harris's consortium? I doubt if Lowe was involved in the consortium, or that he'd use Seymour Pierce. If any of our former executives were involved with the Seymour Pierce fronted bid, it would be Wilde, who enlisted their help to get rid of Lowe in the first place and relied on them to obtain the "investment" that he had promised would be forthcoming. I agree with the sentiment, "Who Gives A F*** What This Bunch Think?" They were the advisors that gave us Wilde in the first place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 That would be the same Seymour Pierce employed on a retainer by Lowe to find 'new investment' for Saints for a number of years, and came up with the total sum of **** all. No...it was the same Seymour Pierce that Wilde enlisted to get rid of Lowe and find us investment. Still, don't let your obsession be altered by the facts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Whose title did they keep??? Don't get too proud. The only reason your title stayed was because it was the original thread. Now back to the subject matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Whose title did they keep??? The dull one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 13 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Don't get too proud. The only reason your title stayed was because it was the original thread. Now back to the subject matter. Sorry Boss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Don't get too proud. The only reason your title stayed was because it was the original thread. I started my thread first but took more care over the thread title, hence posting it a whole 1 minute later that MOG....and mine had twice as many responses....stewards enquiry :smt073 FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 No...it was the same Seymour Pierce that Wilde enlisted to get rid of Lowe and find us investment. Still, don't let your obsession be altered by the facts... GM.... You are usually spot on about the background of peeps....SO can you confirm that Mr Lowey has no connection with Mr Harris or Seymour Pierce... Just curious you top investigator..Uncle John..:smt007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Does Charles Sale write his column while he's in the pub? Half of the bits today don't make any sense. Hes a bitter Norwich fan, he will write anything to try and destabilise teams in their division. Expect some more crap in the couple of weeks leading up to the Saints Norwich games. Its pretty sad he lowers himself to that level but then again, he is a mail writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Oi Harris - you have had 2.5 years to find us a buyer and brought us diddley squat - and if your bid involved mr Lowe, can you really pretend this was in teh clubs best interests or in teh best interests of those you were representing? Hail Saint Markus - if you have the clubs bets interests at heart you will acknowledge that we have got a very good new deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 GM.... You are usually spot on about the background of peeps....SO can you confirm that Mr Lowey has no connection with Mr Harris or Seymour Pierce... Just curious you top investigator..Uncle John..:smt007 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2939234/Southampton-FC-shows-Lowe-the-red-card.html Wilde, who is being advised by Seymour Pierce, the City broker, believes he has more than enough support to oust Lowe and can count on the backing of Leon Crouch, who holds a 10 per cent stake in the club. Lowe holds 6.3 per cent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2939234/Southampton-FC-shows-Lowe-the-red-card.html Wilde, who is being advised by Seymour Pierce, the City broker, believes he has more than enough support to oust Lowe and can count on the backing of Leon Crouch, who holds a 10 per cent stake in the club. Lowe holds 6.3 per cent. Sorry Uncle John :smt007..I did not doubt you knew about Wildey and his introduction and susequent use of Seymour Pierce....Maybe Wildey introduced Lowey to Mr Harris when they became best of pals...Somewhere I was under the impression Lowey has known Harris/Seymour Pierce for many years. My question is still one of curiosity....Lowey has no connection to Harris or Seymour Pierce, is that right?....Whereas I understand Charles Sale does....Or maybe you can put me right.. Cheers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Maybe Wildey introduced Lowey to Mr Harris when they became best of pals...Somewhere I was under the impression Lowey has known Harris/Seymour Pierce for many years. Maybe you are a crackpot and as obsessed with Lowe as many on this site. This might help bring some light into your padded cell: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-446565/Right-royal-football-row-rocks-Windsor.html Rupert Lowe, former FA board member and ex- Southampton chairman, is alleged to have called former Football League chairman Keith Harris a f****** disgrace within earshot of the Prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Maybe you are a crackpot and as obsessed with Lowe as many on this site. This might help bring some light into your padded cell: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-446565/Right-royal-football-row-rocks-Windsor.html Rupert Lowe, former FA board member and ex- Southampton chairman, is alleged to have called former Football League chairman Keith Harris a f****** disgrace within earshot of the Prince. Cheers Uncle John....I knew you were close to Uncle Rupes.....BUT you have just proved my point... Lowey has had some discussion with Harris in the past AND in the company of other Royalty..:smt039 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Maybe you are a crackpot and as obsessed with Lowe as many on this site. This might help bring some light into your padded cell: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-446565/Right-royal-football-row-rocks-Windsor.html Rupert Lowe, former FA board member and ex- Southampton chairman, is alleged to have called former Football League chairman Keith Harris a f****** disgrace within earshot of the Prince. Actually I think the words he used were f***** C**** to be exact , anyway he doesnt like him much and I think its mutual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 That would be the same Seymour Pierce employed on a retainer by Lowe to find 'new investment' for Saints for a number of years, and came up with the total sum of **** all. They're the t*ssers!! The group that "apparently" should care about the club and our future if they were a consortium of any worth. YET, they're more worried about their own personal grievances and losing out to one single, extremely wealthy and SUCCESSFUL businessman who can take the club forwards. People that care about the football club should not try and upset the apple cart (i.e. the Liebherr gang) and moan from their own self-serving viewpoint. They should think about the future of the football club..................... All sounds a bit too familiar to me. Seymour Pierce, Harris...who else is involved Keithy? *cough* Yep, large smacks of "in it for yourselves", not the club. Well - UNLUCKY! GOOD RIDDANCE, YOU HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH CHANCE (AND TIME!) now choke on those sour grapes (just like the Aussies) and foxtrot oscar you insidious little free loaders!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 No...it was the same Seymour Pierce that Wilde enlisted to get rid of Lowe and find us investment. Still, don't let your obsession be altered by the facts... And they brought in how much investment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 And they brought in how much investment?F*** all...as you know, but to link Lowe with the failure of Seymour Pierce to raise any investment is totally wrong. They helped Wilde get rid of Lowe on the back of investment promises, FFS... BTW, Lowe failed to raise any investment while he was in charge, before you remind me... A new era and I'm willing to forgive and forget, as none of it matters, anyway. I've got my two ST's and can't wait for the season to start... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 F*** all...as you know, but to link Lowe with the failure of Seymour Pierce to raise any investment is totally wrong. They helped Wilde get rid of Lowe on the back of investment promises, FFS... BTW, Lowe failed to raise any investment while he was in charge, before you remind me... A new era and I'm willing to forgive and forget, as none of it matters, anyway. I've got my two ST's and can't wait for the season to start... Did Lowe 'unappoint' [is that a real word?] them, when he came back last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Harris obviously isn't grumbling because he felt Saints would have been in better hands (Cos at the end of the day how much more money does our owner need to have). So .. how much was Harris going to make if he managed to broker a deal. My guess is 1% to 2% (or somewhere between £150K and 250K). In my opinion the self serving git can shove his sour grapes where the sun don't shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Frankly.......who cares?........onwards and upwards!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Im looking forward to Phils reply on this.Im fairly certain that Mj had similar experiences of Fry not being helpful. If I was Mark Fry and some loony phoned up to ask whether St. Mary's could get planning permission for a rollercoaster, an ice rink and a petting zoo, I'd probably hang up too..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 If I was Mark Fry and some loony phoned up to ask whether St. Mary's could get planning permission for a rollercoaster, an ice rink and a petting zoo, I'd probably hang up too..... ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 If I was Mark Fry and some loony phoned up to ask whether St. Mary's could get planning permission for a rollercoaster, an ice rink and a petting zoo, I'd probably hang up too..... I am sure there was mention of Camel racing...Or was it ostrich.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blandford saint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Harris should get back to trying to sell Newcastle, which he also doesn't seem to be doing a very good job selling. Fry knew that the Swiss bid was by far the best for the club, and they had already done a huge amount of preparity work. The reason Fry was brought in from the Southend office was because the local offices have been involved in sorting out Bournemouth's plight for some time, and they are not allowed to be involved with 2 clubs at once. (This was after some dodgy goings-on between Tranmere and Everton some years back.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I doubt if Lowe was involved in the consortium, or that he'd use Seymour Pierce. If any of our former executives were involved with the Seymour Pierce fronted bid, it would be Wilde, who enlisted their help to get rid of Lowe in the first place and relied on them to obtain the "investment" that he had promised would be forthcoming. I agree with the sentiment, "Who Gives A F*** What This Bunch Think?" They were the advisors that gave us Wilde in the first place... Yep, a non-story from a non-newspaper. Rather like the sad Lowe thread that is on here - for God's sake mods lock that one - time for all to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Im looking forward to Phils reply on this.Im fairly certain that Mj had similar experiences of Fry not being helpful. lol It's all done. Let the FL conduct a review by all means but 1) they ain't gonna undo the deal now and 2) they won't change anything even if they do lesarn lessons. As for Fry, I posted I had stayed with family friends, they told me what to expect, I commented on it during the months of pain and you know what? I'm bored with it now, it doesn't even deserve an I told you so - all I care about is that he's gone back to his mates in Essex pushing his barrow of second hand office furniture out onto Southend market where he really belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 In view of where we seemed to have ended up it matters little now how we actually got here and it appears that we have an owner who will invest money and do it sensibly. However I think a couple of Keith Harris's points should be answered - how did Pinnacle get exclusivity without putting any money down whereas the Harris bid and the Swiss bid allegedly offered the full £0.5m and was Harris' bid more than the Swiss and if so was it just timing that meant the Swiss succeeeded with a lower bid even if we now know it was the 'best' in terms of potential subsequent investment. With regards to Lowe and Wilde being members of the Harris bid, I find that unlikely as we have no evidence to show that the Harris bid was partially funded and it would have been as leper Lowe would not have invested his own hard cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 In view of where we seemed to have ended up it matters little now how we actually got here and it appears that we have an owner who will invest money and do it sensibly. However I think a couple of Keith Harris's points should be answered - how did Pinnacle get exclusivity without putting any money down whereas the Harris bid and the Swiss bid allegedly offered the full £0.5m and was Harris' bid more than the Swiss and if so was it just timing that meant the Swiss succeeeded with a lower bid even if we now know it was the 'best' in terms of potential subsequent investment. With regards to Lowe and Wilde being members of the Harris bid, I find that unlikely as we have no evidence to show that the Harris bid was partially funded and it would have been as leper Lowe would not have invested his own hard cash. Did Pinnacle get exclusivity without putting any money down then? Is that a fact or another 'allegedly'? And, given that the Harris consortium only emerged late in the day, after Pinnacle's exclusivity period had expired, at what point did they offer £0.5M for exclusivity? If you read the interview with Mark Fry from Saturday's Echo there are some answers in there which, I think, make sense, though there's no specific mention of the Harris consortium. You'll find the interview here: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4487870.Mark_Fry_reveals_all_about_the_Saints_takeover/?ref=rss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Did Pinnacle get exclusivity without putting any money down then? Is that a fact or another 'allegedly'? And, given that the Harris consortium only emerged late in the day, after Pinnacle's exclusivity period had expired, at what point did they offer £0.5M for exclusivity? If you read the interview with Mark Fry from Saturday's Echo there are some answers in there which, I think, make sense, though there's no specific mention of the Harris consortium. You'll find the interview here: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4487870.Mark_Fry_reveals_all_about_the_Saints_takeover/?ref=rss We also only have Harris' word for it that the Swiss bid was lower, which given that the full extent of bid and its terms has never actually been confirmed, is at best questionable and at worst a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 We also only have Harris' word for it that the Swiss bid was lower, which given that the full extent of bid and its terms has never actually been confirmed, is at best questionable and at worst a lie. Good point. Personally, I think all this from Harris is just bluster and tantrums because he was looking at a nice commission for brokering a deal. Thanks, Keith, but we've already got one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Did Pinnacle get exclusivity without putting any money down then? Is that a fact or another 'allegedly'? And, given that the Harris consortium only emerged late in the day, after Pinnacle's exclusivity period had expired, at what point did they offer £0.5M for exclusivity? If you read the interview with Mark Fry from Saturday's Echo there are some answers in there which, I think, make sense, though there's no specific mention of the Harris consortium. You'll find the interview here: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4487870.Mark_Fry_reveals_all_about_the_Saints_takeover/?ref=rss LC paid the £500,000+. He then became part of Pinnacle. Pinnacle weren't what they then claimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 LC paid the £500,000+. He then became part of Pinnacle. Pinnacle weren't what they then claimed. Fair play to Leon but I hope he was fully prepared to lose that money when he did that. Very foolish otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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