Petersfield Saint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 In preference to WGS/KK/Coppell? No, sorry. In preference to Tony Adams? Infinitely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Personally I would love him to come back and finish what he started.. However, I am also just as content to let our new owners decide who is best to manage the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 The Club was going one way when Pearson took over and the momentum needed halting before it could be turned around and some semblance introduced that allowed for us to get out of trouble. I don't disagree with you quoting 'facts' but there were circumstances involved that the likes of yourself and TDD conveniently ignore because it doesn't suit your line of thinking. I responded to a poster who didn't post the correct facts which I did, pity you couldn't respond on his post but the reason you didn't is because it doesn't fit in with your line of thinking. FWIW I would have Pearson back and I enjoyed his 'sergeant major' approach, it reminded me of big Lawrie. I remember at S****horpe when he ordered the players over to the travelling fans which shows how much he respects us. Yes he took over at difficult times and did well to keep us up but if you are going to try and slate me please also slate the other poster who didn't give the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 no - not when compared to some of the other very interesting names being banded about....Darren Ferguson anyone!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I'd take Pearson back - I think he is a good manager. However judged by their records at Saints alone I'd take Wotte back over Pearson. During Pearson's time with Saints he demonstrated no more than Wotte. He kept us up by the skin of our teeth with a much better better side than Wotte was relegated with - and took over in a much better position. Wotte had two hands tied behind his back by Lowe, dwindling crowds and a team full of youth players and cast offs, Pearson had most of a side that had been in the play offs the previous season. Their record on bringing in loans is about the same despite the extra constraints placed on Wotte compared to Pearson. Pearson P 13 W 3 D 7 L 3 = 16 points from 13 games = 1.23 points per game = 56-57 points per season (safe) Wotte P 18 W 4 D 7 L 7 = 19 points from 18 games = 1.06 points per game = 48-49 points per season (relegation) The rest of your post falls to pieces after these facts. Noooooo! Christ, wishing Pearson back is like winning the lottery and buying a Kia because it was the car you were struggling to afford before you bought your ticket. If we were in the Premiership I'd agree, but we're in L1 on -10 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Personally I would love him to come back and finish what he started.. Agree. Except the club he would be coming back to would not be the one he left (sorry-was kicked out of). Just a shadow of its former self, when he was here (and we were on our uppers then). He would be a brave man to return, but if anyone can pick up the pieces he can. (It is extraordinary how much of our beloved club has been destroyed.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Pearson P 13 W 3 D 7 L 3 = 16 points from 13 games = 1.23 points per game = 56-57 points per season (safe) Wotte P 18 W 4 D 7 L 7 = 19 points from 18 games = 1.06 points per game = 48-49 points per season (relegation) The rest of your post falls to pieces after these facts. . then maybe compare squads... does not make pleasent reading for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 then maybe compare squads... does not make pleasent reading for you Blimey TDD. You're up at the keyboard early! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Pearson was a nice guy who said the right things and brought hope, but his results were very questionable. In points per game he was no better than Poortvliet in spite of the fact that he had a squad of experienced players, whilst P only had boys from the academy. Wotte did better than both in spite of the boys now being shell shocked and the club going into Administration and slammed with -10 before the campaign was over. He didn't inspire me, but he deserves a better reputation. I can't fathom what the enthusiasm for NP is, but I think he is a realistic prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 points per game he was no better than Poortvliet in spite of the fact that he had a squad of experienced players, whilst P only had boys from the academy. Wotte did better than both One can only assume you have nicked Red and White Army's dinlo calculator which adds or takes away points on a whim:D Poortvliet didn't even manage a point a game, Wotte just over a point per game with Pearson bettering both of them (whether you include Plymouth away or not). Hopefully the League will use your dinlo calculator when they do the League tables come next May and give us some of your special points you seem to have awarded the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up:smt044 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Complete break with the past is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 no - not when compared to some of the other very interesting names being banded about....Darren Ferguson anyone!? Just signed a new contract hasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saf... Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Would be very happy with Pearson... won't happen though surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 One can only assume you have nicked Red and White Army's dinlo calculator which adds or takes away points on a whim:D Poortvliet didn't even manage a point a game, Wotte just over a point per game with Pearson bettering both of them (whether you include Plymouth away or not). Hopefully the League will use your dinlo calculator when they do the League tables come next May and give us some of your special points you seem to have awarded the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up:smt044 Maybe we have to ask an independent expert to do the sums, since that's not how my figures worked out. In any case I think we agree that JP didn't do a good job. MW did a rather better one in very difficult circumstances. Hopefully the next manager will do better than both, and maybe enthuse us a bit on the way. There was nothing "revolutionary" about the set-up. It was cheap, and was another one of RL's attempts to show that he was right and how clever he was to produce diamonds out of very ordinary stones. (Wigley, Gray, Sturrock, Tin Man, etc. etc.) The only thing different with the system was 4-3-3. It's played by many top teams outside the UK, but it requires very good players. JP had a boy's brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Just signed a new contract hasn't he? yea - A 4 year one, but not sure how much contracts really mean in the current game, call me sceptical but contracts now seem more like insurance packages to make sure you get enough compensation when a player or manager leaves rather then a guarantee for your employee. I agree about DF though, seems unlikely but there has been a few peeps mention it and would be very happy if it did happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Maybe we have to ask an independent expert to do the sums, since that's not how my figures worked out. . Like I said, you must be using Red and White Army's dinlo calculator then;) Here's Poortvliet & Wotte's results: Cardiff2 -1Southampton1974916 Aug 2008Southampton1 - 2Birmingham1892523 Aug 2008Derby0 - 1Southampton2703230 Aug 2008Southampton0 - 1Blackpool1562914 Sep 2008QPR4 - 1Southampton1377017 Sep 2008Southampton2 - 2Ipswich1491620 Sep 2008Southampton0 - 0Barnsley1483627 Sep 2008Doncaster0 - 2Southampton1086730 Sep 2008Southampton2 - 0Norwich1448004 Oct 2008Coventry4 - 1Southampton1551818 Oct 2008Southampton0 - 3Watford1745421 Oct 2008Sheff Utd0 - 0Southampton2564225 Oct 2008Swansea3 - 0Southampton1556428 Oct 2008Southampton1 - 1Coventry1422601 Nov 2008Preston2 - 3Southampton1150808 Nov 2008Southampton0 - 1Bristol City1453515 Nov 2008Southampton1 - 2Wolverhampton1781222 Nov 2008Reading1 - 2Southampton2312125 Nov 2008Southampton0 - 0Plymouth1489529 Nov 2008Charlton0 - 0Southampton2083106 Dec 2008Southampton1 - 1Sheff Wed1544008 Dec 2008Crystal Palace3 - 0Southampton1379913 Dec 2008Burnley3 - 2Southampton1122920 Dec 2008Southampton0 - 2Nottm Forest2658026 Dec 2008Plymouth2 - 0Southampton1275628 Dec 2008Southampton1 - 1Reading2014210 Jan 2009Barnsley0 - 1Southampton1178917 Jan 2009Southampton1 - 2Doncaster15837 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Here's Wotte's results: 27 Jan 2009Norwich2 - 2Southampton2527131 Jan 2009Southampton2 - 2Swansea1762303 Feb 2009Southampton1 - 2Sheff Utd1325714 Feb 2009Bristol City2 - 0Southampton1700021 Feb 2009Southampton3 - 1Preston1479028 Feb 2009Southampton1 - 0Cardiff1852603 Mar 2009Ipswich0 - 3Southampton2004007 Mar 2009Birmingham1 - 0Southampton1673510 Mar 2009Southampton1 - 1Derby1756714 Mar 2009Southampton0 - 0QPR1869121 Mar 2009Blackpool1 - 1Southampton794704 Apr 2009Southampton2 - 3Charlton2722807 Apr 2009Watford2 - 2Southampton1606610 Apr 2009Wolverhampton3 - 0Southampton2463613 Apr 2009Southampton1 - 0Crystal Palace2322018 Apr 2009Sheff Wed2 - 0Southampton2414525 Apr 2009Southampton2 - 2Burnley2392703 May 2009Nottm Forest3 - 1Southampton29008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 And here's Pearson's: 19 Feb 2008Southampton0 - 2Plymouth17806 23 Feb 2008S****horpe1 - 1Southampton603501 Mar 2008Southampton1 - 1Ipswich2329904 Mar 2008Wolverhampton2 - 2Southampton2179508 Mar 2008Blackpool2 - 2Southampton905011 Mar 2008Southampton1 - 0Leicester1774115 Mar 2008Hull City5 - 0Southampton1682922 Mar 2008Southampton0 - 0Coventry2201429 Mar 2008Cardiff1 - 0Southampton1295505 Apr 2008Southampton2 - 0Bristol City2289012 Apr 2008Charlton1 - 1Southampton2620619 Apr 2008Southampton0 - 1Burnley2176228 Apr 2008West Brom1 - 1Southampton2616704 May 2008Southampton3 - 2Sheff Utd31957 Up to you whether you include Plymouth or not. It's not difficult to work out. P.S. You're still wrong:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveworm Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 NO No No no no no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Agree. Except the club he would be coming back to would not be the one he left (sorry-was kicked out of). Just a shadow of its former self, when he was here (and we were on our uppers then). He would be a brave man to return, but if anyone can pick up the pieces he can. (It is extraordinary how much of our beloved club has been destroyed.) Newsflash: Saints have just been bought by a billionaire! :smt033 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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