Nineteen Canteen Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Lowe never ever gave Pearson the chance to carry on managing Saints. I know, it proves he got a few things right didn't he and had the foresight to bring in Strachan when one or two eyebrows were raised. Crouch should have given Pearson a contract and backed the courage of his conviction after advising us Dodd and Gorman were the best available or words to that effect. Economical or simply blinkered to the reality as usual, Gaffer. I don't think Pinnacle could ever be classed as a bid from what I have read so time to remove your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 JUST being the operative word during his time at Saints. Mr Multiple Identity Boy, if only we'd JUST survived last year and if only we'd JUST avoided administration last season as well, what a year we would have had. JUST. JUST. JUST. Wotte and Pearson share a TION. Wotte = RelegaTION and AdministraTION Pearson = SalvaTION;) Keep on trolling:smt073:smt039 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 No mention of football or tactics. So who does get your vote then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 (edited) Whats these "personal issues" that Nineteen Canteen used to justify his trolling? Edited 12 July, 2009 by Mole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I know, it proves he got a few things right didn't he and had the foresight to bring in Strachan when one or two eyebrows were raised. Crouch should have given Pearson a contract and backed the courage of his conviction after advising us Dodd and Gorman were the best available or words to that effect. Economical or simply blinkered to the reality as usual, Gaffer. I don't think Pinnacle could ever be classed as a bid from what I have read so time to remove your head. WTF has Pinnacle got to do with this? How could Crouch give Pearson a contract when your luvie Lowe was in charge? Please please get out of my face.Not even sure why i'm replying to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 WTF has Pinnacle got to do with this? How could Crouch give Pearson a contract when your luvie Lowe was in charge? Please please get out of my face.Not even sure why i'm replying to you. It looks like this will be anonther thread ruined by Nineteen Troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 It looks like this will be anonther thread ruined by Nineteen Troll. Why the f**k does he do it? All he does is build more enemies for himself. I've never seen anything like it. All he lives for is to p*ss more and more people off and spoil the threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 We're a pretty unambitious bunch at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I will be delighted if we can get in the man who won League 1 last year . I agree with that point. That said I also agree with the sentiment that Pearson is a martyr, not a messiah. His record (at Saints) wasn't anything special and anyone who suggests that it was is deluding themselves. His record at Leicester is fantastic however. Could he repeat it at Saints? Would he want to? I doubt it. WGS should be above Pearson on the basis of his achievements at Saints and beyond. That said he hasn't got lower league experience.... Difficult decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 We're a pretty unambitious bunch at times. Think we had the ambition beat out of us over the last 4 years or so dont you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Ideally, I'd like WGS to return [mind you, ideally, I'd like Sir Alex Ferguson ]. There was always a spring in the step of Gordon Strachan, and he's learned from his experience since his first excellent stint. I'd have absolutely no problem with Nigel Pearson either, as his attitude at Saints was absolutely superb, and now he's proven himself at Leicester City. But surely they are not going to let him go, despite any supposed problems he has with Milan. Like or loathe him, Mandaric is no idiot, and he knows by now how far he can push people and get the best out of them. Beyond Gordon and Nigel, we're into the alsorans, upcoming unproven newbies [shearer types], and forgotten heroes. Roy Keane anyone..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 We're a pretty unambitious bunch at times. I can see where you're coming from, as if the new owners are willing to splash the cash then why not set our sights higher than Pearson. However, if they're going to be somewhat frugal, then Pearson certaiinly ticks a few boxes (not least his experience in Div 3 last season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 WTF has Pinnacle got to do with this? How could Crouch give Pearson a contract when your luvie Lowe was in charge? Please please get out of my face.Not even sure why i'm replying to you. I can highly recommend the "ignore" function that this board offers. I only have 1 poster on mine, and I can tell you that I really enjoy a "nineteen free" board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Beyond Gordon and Nigel, we're into the alsorans, upcoming unproven newbies [shearer types], and forgotten heroes. Roy Keane anyone..? Were you at the Man Utd game when we went down? That **** can **** right off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Whats these "personal issues" that Nineteen Canteen used to justify his trolling? I don't think Sundance/Flashman/Nineteen/Bear was using his mental health issues as a justification for his trolling. Instead, I think he was asking for people to give him the benefit of the doubt/try and understand his position, as he accpeted his mental helath problems probably came through in some his postings. That said, IMHO we should be minded to steer of personal slights in this area, whilst still giving and taking the banter on a site like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I do chuckle when people somehow see a Pearson love in, or claim they are seeing Pearson elevated to Messiah status etc etc etc. That's what this thread seems to be, tbf. I think what you'll find is a recognition that Pearson did a pretty decent job here in keeping us up. He didn't prove himself to be the next big thing, he just simply did what was asked of him and installed a bit of belief and passion. He kept us up, yes. But only just. And not without some simply terrible performances along the way. And I'd like a little more than "belief and passion", thanks. There's more to successful management than that. I think you'll also find a recognition that Pearson did a pretty decent job in getting Leicester to win their league with relative ease in a similar style and manner as he did with us. Pearson won the league with us? :confused: And then as a result of those recent "successes" and his recent "history" with us, then you'll find alot of people thinking that it might actually be a pretty good fit. A manager who has recently worked here, knows the set up and knows many of the players, along with recent experience in getting out of what will probably be a tough league seems to tick quite a few boxes for me. But that's it - his history with us was nothing special. And if you want a manager who knows how to get out of League One, there are plenty of others to choose from... Don't get me wrong, I don't think Pearson is a bad manager, I just don't rate him as highly as some people do and I think we'd be selling ourselves a little short in appointing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I don't think Sundance/Flashman/Nineteen/Bear was using his mental health issues as a justification for his trolling. Instead, I think he was asking for people to give him the benefit of the doubt/try and understand his position, as he accpeted his mental helath problems probably came through in some his postings. That said, IMHO we should be minded to steer of personal slights in this area, whilst still giving and taking the banter on a site like this. Reading his website i can see he's not all the ticket. "Mystery and real power dwells in nature - in mountains, seas, rivers, plants, herbs, animals, stones and pebbles. To the western world, these are inanimate objects. To the Native American Indian they are entwined in the web of the universe, pulsating with life and potent with medicine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 That's what this thread seems to be, tbf. tbf as I said in my first reply, that's how the thread seems to you, because I certainly don't see it as a "love in" or a desire to raise Pearson to "Messiah" status. He kept us up, yes. But only just. And not without some simply terrible performances along the way. And I'd like a little more than "belief and passion", thanks. There's more to successful management than that. And how I would have settled for only just this season. Given the criteria set out when Pearson arrived then surely his tenure here was a modicum of success, followed by definite success at Leicester. Pearson wasn't the Messiah, nor was he the finished article by any stretch of the imagination. Pearson won the league with us? :confused: I was referring to the style and manner, not the end result. See it is easy to read and assume different things from what people post up on here. But that's it - his history with us was nothing special. And if you want a manager who knows how to get out of League One, there are plenty of others to choose from... And I'm sure there are, so if you want to suggest some then i'd be happy to discuss the merits (or not ) of appointing them. Given that Pearson's name was mentioned in a paper report, then no matter how much of a long shot it appears, then I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing the merits (or not) of a potential return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 interestingly all of us would like stability on the manager front... surely, you would have to question someones commitment to the cause who would jump ship like we would be asking pearson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 surely, you would have to question someones commitment to the cause who would jump ship like we would be asking pearson... I think the suggestion is that he is being pushed by Mandaric;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Been away for a few days when I left it was Strachan or Hoddle which I doubted - So I dont Understand where the Nigel Pearson for Manager has come from Can someone explain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 NC in 'Goes against the grain' shocker....... As for just.......forget that word NC.....Opinion, a new one for you. In my opinion, if he had been kept on, we would not of been relegated, we would not of lost the crowd, and we would not of gone into admin when we did. Now I'm equally sure that in your opinion, we would of been relegated with him in charge..............fancy a poll on here as to which way the fans would vote??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 interestingly all of us would like stability on the manager front... surely, you would have to question someones commitment to the cause who would jump ship like we would be asking pearson... Apparently he and his family loved it down here. Also there still remains a doubt over money being made available at Leicester to buy players for stability in the championship. Not much point in promotion if you end being relegated the following season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Like or loathe him, Mandaric is no idiot, and he knows by now how far he can push people and get the best out of them. Er...he kind of is an idiot though isn't he really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Been away for a few days when I left it was Strachan or Hoddle which I doubted - So I dont Understand where the Nigel Pearson for Manager has come from Can someone explain Basically, it has been rumoured in a paper that he is being lined up for a return after falling out with Mandaric. The question was then if it WAS him coming back would you say yes or no? Not saying he is the number one favourite but how would we feel if it was him..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Engine Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Can't say I'm that happy about Pearson - I thought he did OK with Saints last time around but no more than that ... mind you the circumstances were very far from ideal ... taking over a team of slow, demoralized donkeys with only a few games in which to avoid the drop ... His record at Leicester is very good ... maybe we should judge him on that ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Basically, it has been rumoured in a paper that he is being lined up for a return after falling out with Mandaric. The question was then if it WAS him coming back would you say yes or no? Not saying he is the number one favourite but how would we feel if it was him..... Thank you Yes he would be OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Amongst this Nigel Pearson love-in, I'll just pipe up to say I don't rate him that much and fail to see why he's regarded as some sort of football genius on here... Because people were caught up in the euphoria of staying up that season. Many could not see beyond the incessant cheesey battlecries and cliched phrases. NP was always quite thoughtful when it came to pandering to the ug-ugs... And did I mention the team were ****ing awful, rigid, no creativity, cluess on patterning play etc...? Oh, and weren't we also, like, 9 points of the relegation places when he took over??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Because people were caught up in the euphoria of staying up that season. Many could not see beyond the incessant cheesey battlecries and cliched phrases. NP was always quite thoughtful when it came to pandering to the ug-ugs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Er...he kind of is an idiot though isn't he really? Well, a group of Saints fans must have liked him as they commissioned a statue be made of him a couple of years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 The fact you found that funny says a lot about you. Geeky humour must be a Navy thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 And did I mention the team were ****ing awful, rigid, no creativity, cluess on patterning play etc...? Oh, and weren't we also, like, 9 points of the relegation places when he took over??? Did you see many games during that 13 game run??? We were definitely poor in some, but we were also pretty good in others, so I'm afraid I really struggle to agree with your carte blanche assessment. And of course ultimately we survived, so job done (plus the Leicester games I saw last year showed a pretty decent team with creatvity and a decent pattern of play, top scorers, fewest conceded and only 4 defeats). As for being 9 points clear, then sorry just not correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Sixty Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Look lads, with all due respect, if Pearson was to jump ship, Southampton would be the last place he would go. Not only are you starting with -10 but the fact that it was the same club that chucked him out [different regime, I know]. But it's like going back to your ex-girlfriend who treated you like crap and kicked you out. Why would you do that for? Milan & Pearson bust-up? I don't believe a word of that. Lazy journalism if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 WTF has Pinnacle got to do with this? How could Crouch give Pearson a contract when your luvie Lowe was in charge? Please please get out of my face.Not even sure why i'm replying to you. When he recruited him? If Pearson had a year to run on his contract Lowe would have been unable or unlikely to be able to pay him off and would have had no choice for the 'great hope' to really prove his worth. I don't know what Pinnacle has to do with it you bought it up in your earlier post saying he was 'their' first choice or whatever it was you said. I'm not in your face Gaffer I am challenging your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 So who does get your vote then? I have made lots of sensible suggestions of better qualified candidates. Seek my posts and you shall find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Look lads, with all due respect, if Pearson was to jump ship, Southampton would be the last place he would go. Not only are you starting with -10 but the fact that it was the same club that chucked him out [different regime, I know]. But it's like going back to your ex-girlfriend who treated you like crap and kicked you out. Why would you do that for? Milan & Pearson bust-up? I don't believe a word of that. Lazy journalism if you ask me. It's nothing of the sort. The people he worked under were supportive of him and he was then shafted and forced out by an incoming board. His memories of his time here will be positive. I've no idea if there is any truth in the rumours or not, but I doubt very much that NP holds this view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I don't think Sundance/Flashman/Nineteen/Bear was using his mental health issues as a justification for his trolling. Instead, I think he was asking for people to give him the benefit of the doubt/try and understand his position, as he accpeted his mental helath problems probably came through in some his postings. That said, IMHO we should be minded to steer of personal slights in this area, whilst still giving and taking the banter on a site like this. Quite, so follow your advice especially as you know 0.5% of the reality assuming the integrity of Derry and a n other can be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I have made lots of sensible suggestions of better qualified candidates. Seek my posts and you shall find. Tell me, 19, what first attracted you to a thread entitled 'Pearson to come back'? And would you please take a mobile-phone snap of the look on your face if he's appointed? Just as a kind of public service, you understand. I will now go in search of your sensible posts. I may be some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Quite, so follow your advice especially as you know 0.5% of the reality assuming the integrity of Derry and a n other can be trusted. You seem to be barking up the wrong tree. I have been very defensive with regards people having a pop at you recently due to being aware of your mental health problems. In fact, I advised the administrators to close a thread that was personally attacking you as I felt that given your own public admission of your mental illness issues it was unnecessary and verging on bullying. I will still share some banter and fun with you (I'm sure at both of our ego's expense), but I would never use your mental health problems as a stick to beat you with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 You seem to be barking up the wrong tree. I have been very defensive with regards people having a pop at you recently due to being aware of your mental health problems. In fact, I advised the administrators to close a thread that was personally attacking you as I felt that given your own public admission of your mental illness issues it was unnecessary and verging on bullying. I will still share some banter and fun with you (I'm sure at both of our ego's expense), but I would never use your mental health problems as a stick to beat you with. One short post and you feel the need to repeat yourself 3 times on something you know little about. I think your stick is out - as usual Um Pahars. Others before you tried to get that thread closed and I asked after 4 posts but it wasn't until the thread reached posts numbered in the 60's. Don't worry Um your 'concern' is noted. I assume barking was 'no pun intended' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Tell me, 19, what first attracted you to a thread entitled 'Pearson to come back'? And would you please take a mobile-phone snap of the look on your face if he's appointed? Just as a kind of public service, you understand. I will now go in search of your sensible posts. I may be some time. Best of luck in your search but it may turn out to be futile... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 One short post and you feel the need to repeat yourself 3 times on something you know little about. You're quite right that I am not aware of the full nature of your mental health problems, not that I ever claimed to either, I just feel that your personal issues shouldn't really be a reason for ridicule etc on this forum. Others before you tried to get that thread closed and I asked after 4 posts but it wasn't until the thread reached posts numbered in the 60's. And as soon as I read the thread I posted as I felt it verged on bullying and given your public admission of your mental problems I felt it was unjustified and somewhat cruel. I find it hard to see why you're knocking me for sticking up for you regarding your problems, when you and others did exactly the same thing. Don't worry Um your 'concern' is noted. I assume barking was 'no pun intended' Barking was totally unintentional and I would never intentionally use a play on words in a cheap attack on your personal condition. I will happily spa with you, wind you up and think you're an attention seeking, multiple identitied, rude PM'ing, liar, but I wouldn't use your mental health problems as a stick to beat you with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 (edited) Don't take this the wrong way Nineteen Canteen, but are you receiving professional help with your mental health issues? Are you on medication? Is it Munchausen Syndrome that you suffer from? Edited 12 July, 2009 by Mole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Don't take this the wrong way Nineteen Canteen, but are you receiving professional help with your mental health issues? Are you on medication? Is it Munchausen Syndrome that you suffer from? Am I missing something? How long has Nineteen been barking? link please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmore Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Amongst this Nigel Pearson love-in, I'll just pipe up to say I don't rate him that much and fail to see why he's regarded as some sort of football genius on here... Me too. Pearson has only been a manager for a short while. He did what was required for us (but it was a pretty close call) and has done well with Leicester. So he has done ok so far but its still far too early to say he is a great manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Me too. Pearson has only been a manager for a short while. He did what was required for us (but it was a pretty close call) and has done well with Leicester. So he has done ok so far but its still far too early to say he is a great manager. But again, where has this alledged love in come from? I see no evidence that people on here see him as anything more than a good manager, not a messiah, not great manager.... just a good one.. That's just a myth perpatrated by people with an agenda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 But again, where has this alledged love in come from? I see no evidence that people on here see him as anything more than a good manager, not a messiah, not great manager.... just a good one.. That's just a myth perpatrated by people with an agenda... maybe...but some candidates that some (imo) are OTT about him I'd love it. There is no man better for the job than Big Nigel Pearson. He's such a good manager . Agreed! icing on top of the cake for me. He would be my number one choice,. he is a future England manager, and we should snap him up long term. Saints fans recognised he was a great manager . hmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 maybe...but some candidates that some (imo) are OTT about him hmmmmmm FFS.... One person is OTT by saying he's a future England manager but really, the rest hardly constitute a mass love in.... And taking Wes' post of "I'd love it" and using that as an example is scraping the barrell.... I think you've just proved my point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Lizzard Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Pearson is my top choice. He brought in players that kept us up, and to my mind not only is he a terrific coach but the ability to sign the right players is always key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 FFS.... One person is OTT by saying he's a future England manager but really, the rest hardly constitute a mass love in.... And taking Wes' post of "I'd love it" and using that as an example is scraping the barrell.... I think you've just proved my point.... there are a couple of threads about pearson and a new poll to add pearson to the "candidates"... anyway I would not be displeased if he came back..Just I would be happier if he did not.. I just dont rate him that much...does that mean I have to have an agenda..? there are better options out there than him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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