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Quite right, yes he did an okay job for us and has done well at Leciester in a divison that the manager of Romsey Town could guide out of (apparantly) but compare his record to Wottes and its pretty similar and it could be argued Wotte took over a worse team, in a greater decline and had no money to bring in experienced loans unlike Pearson (Daily, Luketti, That striker cant remember his name who was abolsute pony) . Dont quite see people saying the new regime have sacked our Messiah do we!

 

What a complete load of ********. Firstly League One is a difficult league, even more so now three ex prem teams have dropped into it.

Secondly were you even alive when Pearson was here? We had a severe injury crisis which left our defence buggered. Not only that but we lost players who were forced to go out on loan such as Skacel and the clubs top scorer Rasiak etc. We had no money to buy players as you suggest and we were able to bring in five players, Wright,Luckeeti,Perry,Daily and Picard. 4 of those 5 loan signings helped to keep us up.

The decline was not that bad was it? Before Pearson had taken over we had lost 4 games in a row, 5 of our last 6 games. Pearson came in and took us on a 5 game unbeaten run. In the 13 games prior to Pearson we had got just 8 points, that is across both Dodd and Gorman and Burley. With an average of just 0.6 points per game we would have ended the season with 28 points had we continued that way, meaning last in the league and 25 points from safety.

Pearson came in and we lost only 3 more games in that time and ammased 16 points from his 13 games. A 1.23 ratio. Meaning if he had been in charge for the full season we would of had 56 points and finished 15th.

Not bad for a guy who had the teams best players injured or loaned out and came in with just 13 games to go.

 

As for Wotte he had the freedom to choose who he wanted to play, he gained players who were brought back from loans such as a champions league player. He brought in players like Size,Molyneux,Smith,Liptak,Pullis,Gasmi etc etc All of which only only one did ok.

The difference between Wotte and Pearson is Pearson came in and saved a team destined for relegation. Wotte came in and had no effect at all. That is the difference between a good manager and a poor manager.

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What a complete load of ********. Firstly League One is a difficult league, even more so now three ex prem teams have dropped into it.

Secondly were you even alive when Pearson was here? We had a severe injury crisis which left our defence buggered. Not only that but we lost players who were forced to go out on loan such as Skacel and the clubs top scorer Rasiak etc. We had no money to buy players as you suggest and we were able to bring in five players, Wright,Luckeeti,Perry,Daily and Picard. 4 of those 5 loan signings helped to keep us up.

The decline was not that bad was it? Before Pearson had taken over we had lost 4 games in a row, 5 of our last 6 games. Pearson came in and took us on a 5 game unbeaten run. In the 13 games prior to Pearson we had got just 8 points, that is across both Dodd and Gorman and Burley. With an average of just 0.6 points per game we would have ended the season with 28 points had we continued that way, meaning last in the league and 25 points from safety.

Pearson came in and we lost only 3 more games in that time and ammased 16 points from his 13 games. A 1.23 ratio. Meaning if he had been in charge for the full season we would of had 56 points and finished 15th.

Not bad for a guy who had the teams best players injured or loaned out and came in with just 13 games to go.

 

As for Wotte he had the freedom to choose who he wanted to play, he gained players who were brought back from loans such as a champions league player. He brought in players like Size,Molyneux,Smith,Liptak,Pullis,Gasmi etc etc All of which only only one did ok.

The difference between Wotte and Pearson is Pearson came in and saved a team destined for relegation. Wotte came in and had no effect at all. That is the difference between a good manager and a poor manager.

Well said.

+ Pearson came in cold with 13 games left. Wotte had been involved with the squad and training since before the start of the season.

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What a complete load of ********. Firstly League One is a difficult league, even more so now three ex prem teams have dropped into it.

Secondly were you even alive when Pearson was here? We had a severe injury crisis which left our defence buggered. Not only that but we lost players who were forced to go out on loan such as Skacel and the clubs top scorer Rasiak etc. We had no money to buy players as you suggest and we were able to bring in five players, Wright,Luckeeti,Perry,Daily and Picard. 4 of those 5 loan signings helped to keep us up.

The decline was not that bad was it? Before Pearson had taken over we had lost 4 games in a row, 5 of our last 6 games. Pearson came in and took us on a 5 game unbeaten run. In the 13 games prior to Pearson we had got just 8 points, that is across both Dodd and Gorman and Burley. With an average of just 0.6 points per game we would have ended the season with 28 points had we continued that way, meaning last in the league and 25 points from safety.

Pearson came in and we lost only 3 more games in that time and ammased 16 points from his 13 games. A 1.23 ratio. Meaning if he had been in charge for the full season we would of had 56 points and finished 15th.

Not bad for a guy who had the teams best players injured or loaned out and came in with just 13 games to go.

 

As for Wotte he had the freedom to choose who he wanted to play, he gained players who were brought back from loans such as a champions league player. He brought in players like Size,Molyneux,Smith,Liptak,Pullis,Gasmi etc etc All of which only only one did ok.

The difference between Wotte and Pearson is Pearson came in and saved a team destined for relegation. Wotte came in and had no effect at all. That is the difference between a good manager and a poor manager.

 

Well put. That's the difference between stating raw stats and applying them in context.

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i don't think perarson is messiah. He is a martyr - a casualty of Lowe's return and that is why people want to see him back. Not because of his track record at SMS (very ordinary) or his success at Leicester (Milan's millions) but because its one in the eye for old Rupert.

 

At the end of the day only Pearson and Lowe know what happened around his departure but I suspect that Pearson was not impressed by the required youth policy. However, even Crouch said that would have been his policy too had he stayed in charge so I'm not convinced that his departure was not an inevitability.

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Wotte

P w D L Pts Avergage PPG

18 4 7 7 19 1.05

 

Pearson

P W D L Pts Average PPG

14 3 7 4 16 1.14

 

So if Pearson had continued at the average PPG he would have managed 18 games and achieve 20 points. One more than Wotte when Wotte had tougher circumstances to work in. Administration, worse team, relegation confirmed by 10 point deduction, dont forget he also tried to bring in some experience loan signings (which Pearson was able to do) but was unable to due to the financial constraints. We weren't relegated because of Wotte, we were relegated because of the boards gamble on the kids and the 6 or so months of crap before Wotte came in under JP. When the board did finally agree the kids experiement wasn't working it was to little to late but JP isnt blameless either as his tactics were poor and it was clear a few weeks into the season that one up front was never going to work, especially at home. Wotte and Pearsons records are very very similar, fact.

 

Compare all you like, but the most pertinent point is that Pearson then went on to manage a team just relegated form the Fizzy Pop, had no prior knowledge of the team, but kept the best of them and cannily brought in the players through purchases and loans to form a league winning squad. This required skill to mould a team with balance between age and experience, flair and effort and then it also required motivation, fitness and belief.

 

As he is the manager who has achieved the best results on gaining promotion from the third division, most recently and as champions, he is obviously one of the top candidates for the job. And we have a considerably wealthier owner than Mandaric, which was often cited as being the reason why Pearson was successful, but which ignores his personal attributes. With Pearson as manager and the money available, there is not reason whatsoever why he could not repeat the achievement. He is also definitely one of the prime candidates for the long term too.

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I just want someone who will make the team fit and strong,so they will not wilt in the 75th minute and let in the winning goal. Someone who shows them where the NET is and that is where the ball is supposed to end up and will line up some agile barn doors in front of our goal,so Kelvin has a quieter season..not too much to ask but who is that man?

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And in doing so just rub a whole lot more salt into the wounds of those who discarded him.

 

C'mon Nigel! Let's be having you!

 

It'd be a real two fingers to Lowe. Come on Mr Liebherr, make it clear to Lowe he's not welcome at OUR club.

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At the end of the day only Pearson and Lowe know what happened around his departure but I suspect that Pearson was not impressed by the required youth policy. However, even Crouch said that would have been his policy too had he stayed in charge so I'm not convinced that his departure was not an inevitability.

 

Then I have to say your suspicions are very wide of the mark.

 

Pearson showed in his words down here and in his deeds at Leicester that he was more than willing to follow a route involving youth.

 

His departure was inevitable, but not for the reasons you outlined, but more to do with the inevitability that Lowe thought he knew best.

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'The former Chelsea striker is believed to have had initial talks with representatives of new Swiss owner Markus Liebherr....'

 

(phone rings)

 

JFH: Can I speak with Markus Heibherr

 

MH: Speaking

 

JFH: It's Jimmy-Floyd here, can I apply for the position of manager?

 

MH: No, go away

 

Is how I imagine initial talks might have gone!!

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I would be perfectly happy with getting NP back, though I don't think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread that some others do. But what he did bring was discipline, fitness and motivation. In addition he has a proven record working with youngsters at the very top level (England u16, u18 & u21) and working alongside some very good managers (and Bryan Robson). He has huge respect amongst British managers in this country and has a very good contact list. His blending of youth and experience at Leicseter showed that his talents are not just on paper.

 

I wonder if Lee Hoos would come back as well. The only one from the Wilde bunch who had any talent and who has worked with Oldknow before. We could do a lot worse.

 

On top of all that it would be really fun for 19Canteen to have to eat his words if NP were to be successful as most people with football brains realise he would be.

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he did well to go up like he did but he was hardly brilliant at saints

 

He didn't have the time, not the circumstances to shine. But he did the job and kept us up and most Saints fans recognised he was a great manager in the making. When he left his detractors said he'd screw up with Leicester and they were proved wrong. I think the negativity by the minority is just sour grapes because their judgment has been shown to be flawed.

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He didn't have the time, not the circumstances to shine. But he did the job and kept us up and most Saints fans recognised he was a great manager in the making. When he left his detractors said he'd screw up with Leicester and they were proved wrong. I think the negativity by the minority is just sour grapes because their judgment has been shown to be flawed.

well..

 

we shall see how good he is this season at leicester..

 

if he is that great, i fully expect them to be serious contenders of the playoffs at the end of the season.

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Leicester have just waltzed the League we're going to be in. Other teams of comaprable size and history have struggled to get out of this League, but Leicester walked it.

 

If they had any other Manager, and that Manager was linked to our Club, everybody would be 100% behind the appointment. The fact they are not is solely down to the divisions Lowe brought to this Club, and how hard it's going to be to get over these splits. This just shows how poisonous Lowe was for our Club, and just how hard it's going to be to get over his legacy. Victims of this have included Lawrie Mc and Dave Armstrong and now seem to include a good young English Manager in Nigel Pearson.

 

I will be delighted if we can get in the man who won League 1 last year .

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to be fair to pearson...leicester had the best squad, the most finances and the best rescourses in the league..

 

sort of makes life a tad easier..

 

he did well to go up like he did but he was hardly brilliant at saints

 

.. go on, have an off day, say something positive for once!

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Leicester have just waltzed the League we're going to be in. Other teams of comaprable size and history have struggled to get out of this League, but Leicester walked it.

 

If they had any other Manager, and that Manager was linked to our Club, everybody would be 100% behind the appointment. The fact they are not is solely down to the divisions Lowe brought to this Club, and how hard it's going to be to get over these splits. This just shows how poisonous Lowe was for our Club, and just how hard it's going to be to get over his legacy. Victims of this have included Lawrie Mc and Dave Armstrong and now seem to include a good young English Manager in Nigel Pearson.

 

I will be delighted if we can get in the man who won League 1 last year .

 

Mate, there is no division over Lowe aside from a few teeny bopper internet trolls.

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I wonder if Lee Hoos would come back as well. The only one from the Wilde bunch who had any talent and who has worked with Oldknow before. We could do a lot worse.

 

He still lives down here. Commutes to Leicester during the week.

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Not at all, for your information i liked Pearson, this he is/would be a good long term choice and wouldn't be disapointed to see him back, just making the point that a few on here seem to have rose tinted glasses when it comes to him and ignore the facts. Such as the fact that Wotte did a comparable job in more difficult circumstances.

 

Also the fact that at the end of the season Pearson has us playing with spirit, fight, grit and determination, fighting for our lives under massive amount of pressure! Wotte on the other hand, alreay relegated and we were getting turned over. There was no pressure and the players didnt give a t0ss, if you can't perfrom under zero pressure, thens there's little hope. Thats why im glad Wotte has gone, and why i believe NP is by far the better coach. No rose tinted glasses about it! Just FACTS.

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We need someone who will attract players, get them fully fit and play good football - not what Pearson has done up here.

 

Didn't really follow Leicester last season. As a matter of interest can you elaborate on what you mean?

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Well said.

+ Pearson came in cold with 13 games left. Wotte had been involved with the squad and training since before the start of the season.

 

Very good point...

 

Leicester have just waltzed the League we're going to be in. Other teams of comaprable size and history have struggled to get out of this League, but Leicester walked it.

 

I will be delighted if we can get in the man who won League 1 last year .

 

I would also be delighted to see NP back here, & I am stunned that some people still think otherwise, he is a promising English manager, with experience and success in the league we are about to go into, he knows our team (or most of it anyway) so would not need to spend assessing the squad to find out what is required, and has shown he is able to bring in the players required. Also he seemed not to want to leave last year even when Lowe came back, so must have seen some promise even with zero funds.

 

I have to admit that when he was appointed I was not impressed (because I didn't recognise his name) but I am man enough to admit I was wrong.

 

I would still prefer WGS, but NP would make me very happy & feeling positive for the upcoming season. As others have said, even if Leicester did start last season on -10 they would have finished only 1 point off automatic promotion.

 

I think some on here would complain if Ferguson was brought here and say, he is past it & cant do anything without megabucks.

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i don't think perarson is messiah. He is a martyr - a casualty of Lowe's return and that is why people want to see him back. Not because of his track record at SMS (very ordinary) or his success at Leicester (Milan's millions) but because its one in the eye for old Rupert.

 

At the end of the day only Pearson and Lowe know what happened around his departure but I suspect that Pearson was not impressed by the required youth policy. However, even Crouch said that would have been his policy too had he stayed in charge so I'm not convinced that his departure was not an inevitability.

 

Lowe never ever gave Pearson the chance to carry on managing Saints.

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Leicester have just waltzed the League we're going to be in. Other teams of comaprable size and history have struggled to get out of this League, but Leicester walked it.

 

If they had any other Manager, and that Manager was linked to our Club, everybody would be 100% behind the appointment. The fact they are not is solely down to the divisions Lowe brought to this Club, and how hard it's going to be to get over these splits. This just shows how poisonous Lowe was for our Club, and just how hard it's going to be to get over his legacy. Victims of this have included Lawrie Mc and Dave Armstrong and now seem to include a good young English Manager in Nigel Pearson.

 

I will be delighted if we can get in the man who won League 1 last year .

 

This is the key point.

 

It's not NP's performance at Saints that is totally decisive, it's that he has shown he can do it in League One with Leicester.

 

If Leicester had finished 8th or 9th, I wouldn't be as keen. But they stormed the league.

 

If one of the interview questions is "What evidence is there that you are able to help a medium-sized club that is at its lowest ebb fight its way successfully out of the third tier?" .....then it's hard to imagine that there is anyone who can provide as compelling a reply as Nigel Pearson...

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I'd love it. Just what we need, a manager that shouts at the players, ;) is disciplined, will get them fit, earn their respect, knows the division and how to get out of it.

 

Isn't that right, Nineteen Canteen?

 

Wes, I was smiling before you dropped my name into proceedings. What is the nature of his fall out with Milan do we know? Either way I think we can do a lot better than Pearson. Didn't turn us around as quickly as say Clough did at Derby in a similar position. In fact he took us to the brink where we were relying on others to slip up and save us.

 

We need to look overseas or a young manager in the mould of D Ferguson or Clough. Failing that I would not be oppose to Wise and Poyet trying to do the impossible once again.

 

Pearson? Never understood the post season fuss with him and still don't with the resources he had at his disposable last season with Leicester.

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Amongst this Nigel Pearson love-in, I'll just pipe up to say I don't rate him that much and fail to see why he's regarded as some sort of football genius on here...

 

I do chuckle when people somehow see a Pearson love in, or claim they are seeing Pearson elevated to Messiah status etc etc etc.

 

I think what you'll find is a recognition that Pearson did a pretty decent job here in keeping us up. He didn't prove himself to be the next big thing, he just simply did what was asked of him and installed a bit of belief and passion.

 

I think you'll also find a recognition that Pearson did a pretty decent job in getting Leicester to win their league with relative ease in a similar style and manner as he did with us.

 

And then as a result of those recent "successes" and his recent "history" with us, then you'll find alot of people thinking that it might actually be a pretty good fit.

 

A manager who has recently worked here, knows the set up and knows many of the players, along with recent experience in getting out of what will probably be a tough league seems to tick quite a few boxes for me.

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Amongst this Nigel Pearson love-in, I'll just pipe up to say I don't rate him that much and fail to see why he's regarded as some sort of football genius on here...

 

Agreed, fitness and set pieces are one thing but so is tactics and making best use of the limited resources at your disposal. This is the man who preferred Idiakez and the prolific Licka to Surman and destroyed the lad by playing him at LB, why? For Surman's tackling prowess.

 

May be ok as a fitness coach but as a manager I think it will be proven he has led a charmed life so far. If he stays at Leicester the pudding may already be in the eating process.

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I think what you'll find is a recognition that Pearson did a pretty decent job here in keeping us up. He didn't prove himself to be the next big thing, he just simply did what was asked of him and installed a bit of belief and passion.

 

JUST being the operative word during his time at Saints.

 

Just did enough

Just saved our skins

Just took us further down the table than where we finshed

Just got away with it

Just had the best team and resources last year by a country mile in L1

Just now questions may be asked if a fall out with Milan is true.

Just unbelievable we would want him back based on his record here.

Just unbelievable the new owners would wan him back given the 'the clean break'.

 

He just bearly did enough. Doesn't fit the profile for our new manager IMO. He just doesn't regardless if he ticks some boxes, so does Wigley.

 

 

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