SaintRobbie Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Go and get your Gruffalo Robbie, it's late. lol! Brilliant. Clever-ish bloke but no common sense. God I love 19 Canteen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 lol! Both too self important!!! lol... they are leaders mate... name me one who isnt!? lol You're a gag. Leaders don't give way to hysterical outbursts or leave their troops who have served them well without good reason. Just my opinion Robbie and I'm sorry it troubles you so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Unfortunately, the name I immediately thought of fell by the wayside today as he signed a new contract and it's the same name I was talking about last season. Darren Ferguson. Like Oldknow I think we should establish the criteria for manager and past managers of this club need not apply to fit in with the new era concept. So a manager who fits Ferguson's profile would be good. Young, ambitious, proven success in this League 1 or above (rules out Tisdale) and preferably someone currently employed in the game but not critical if they are well regarded. Depends on the budget but Steve Cotterill had a lot of success in this league but if money is no object then that could actually be a bad thing as we need someone hungry and ambitious. not getting the cotterill thing. he was roughly where Tisdale is now, in 2002. then had 3 steady,at best -lower table seasons in CCC with Burnley and not been employed since 2007 - as a 44 yr old up and coming manager - why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 lol! Brilliant. Clever-ish bloke but no common sense. God I love 19 Canteen! You never know one day they might write a big illustrated book for you. Night Robbie see you in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Eelpie asked a question over my reason for not being keen on Coppell: Why don't you like Coppell? Knee jerk or genuine concern? I think 19Canteen has partly answered this for me: Monotonous. Perhaps? I don't like it when managers walk away from a club when there appears little need for them to do so. Unless I fully understood those reasons I personally could not recruit that person. Keegan admitted he fell out of love with the game after Man C and didn't watch a game for 3 years allegedly. How do we know Coppell has not got to that stage? I feel that Coppell,like Curbishley are "tired managers";yesterday's men who might arrive with a track record ,rather like Burley did ,but are unlikely -imho- to repeat it with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Where the hell is the actual poll? I would not want either Adams as manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 (edited) Leaders don't give way to hysterical outbursts or leave their troops who have served them well without good reason. Just my opinion Robbie and I'm sorry it troubles you so. lol. Too close to my comfort zone 19... you have no idea how wrong you are. Edited 10 July, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 You never know one day they might write a big illustrated book for you. Night Robbie see you in the morning. On what? You are so out of touch it makes me wonder why you bother typing, but then, I read some astute posts and think... ok... he has a brain. 19, something very sinisterly wrong with your attitude and I cant work it out...yet. But, I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 No reason to go though IMO and who said history won't repeat itself. This appointment is critical and we need to recuit someone who is going to be part of the club's rebuilding programme and willing to stick around for however long that takes say 5 years? No one wants to be pleading with the manager to stay everytime the going gets a bit choppy or a sniff of another job comes along. Problem always was the RL couldn't maintain a working relationship with any bl**dy manager ! 12 of them came and went (mainly with 'non disclosure' packages) and we were left to consider the reasons why ! For me, there was only one common denominator ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 not getting the cotterill thing. he was roughly where Tisdale is now, in 2002. then had 3 steady,at best -lower table seasons in CCC with Burnley and not been employed since 2007 - as a 44 yr old up and coming manager - why? TBH Nick it was a name I was hoping we could get in when Burley left and back then he seemed to have an excellent profile. I haven't gone out and checked his record again but from memory didn't he do some great things with Cheltenham and got them promoted to L1 before being head hunted for the Burnley job? Had a tough time at Burnley which undoubtedly tarnsihed his reputation but he was up until then highly regarded and like Ince took a step up to soon. I'm surprised he is not at least coaching somewhere but you may be right and others don't get it either. Just thought readily available will be very eager to prove himself and experienced but may have been out of the game to long judging by your comments. Pity because he should be a good hire for anyone in the lower leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Problem always was the RL couldn't maintain a working relationship with any bl**dy manager ! 12 of them came and went (mainly with 'non disclosure' packages) and we were left to consider the reasons why ! For me, there was only one common denominator ! But the reasons for leaving were a bit more varied than you suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 On what? You are so out of touch it makes me wonder why you bother typing, but then, I read some astute posts and think... ok... he has a brain. 19, something very sinisterly wrong with your attitude and I cant work it out...yet. But, I will. No you won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 not getting the cotterill thing. he was roughly where Tisdale is now, in 2002. then had 3 steady,at best -lower table seasons in CCC with Burnley and not been employed since 2007 - as a 44 yr old up and coming manager - why? Cotterill has made some poor career moves and paid the price. He was very much in the ascendency at Cheltenham(three promotions and an FA Trophy win).He left for Stoke which seemed a good step up but walked out after only 3or4 months to join Wilkinson at Sunderland.Disaster. He struggled to get back into the game,and didn't set the game alight at Burnley with limited resources. I have followed Cotterill's career with interest after Chelt Town.His early success here marked him out as one for the future.But it was pointed out to me on this board that 5 years after leaving Wycombe,O'Neill was at Celtic in the Champions League,where is Cotterill 5 years after Chelt.? It demonstrates that managers do not remain in the 'highly sought after' category for too long.DFerguson and Tisdale are wise to be cautious in their next move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Cotterill has made some poor career moves and paid the price. He was very much in the ascendency at Cheltenham(three promotions and an FA Trophy win).He left for Stoke which seemed a good step up but walked out after only 3or4 months to join Wilkinson at Sunderland.Disaster. He struggled to get back into the game,and didn't set the game alight at Burnley with limited resources. I have followed Cotterill's career with interest after Chelt Town.His early success here marked him out as one for the future.But it was pointed out to me on this board that 5 years after leaving Wycombe,O'Neill was at Celtic in the Champions League,where is Cotterill 5 years after Chelt.? It demonstrates that managers do not remain in the 'highly sought after' category for too long.DFerguson and Tisdale are wise to be cautious in their next move. I could suggest a club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 TBH Nick it was a name I was hoping we could get in when Burley left and back then he seemed to have an excellent profile. I haven't gone out and checked his record again but from memory didn't he do some great things with Cheltenham and got them promoted to L1 before being head hunted for the Burnley job? Had a tough time at Burnley which undoubtedly tarnsihed his reputation but he was up until then highly regarded and like Ince took a step up to soon. I'm surprised he is not at least coaching somewhere but you may be right and others don't get it either. Just thought readily available will be very eager to prove himself and experienced but may have been out of the game to long judging by your comments. Pity because he should be a good hire for anyone in the lower leagues. fair enough, I would perfer Tisdale as he is on the up and less baggage, if we don't go for a name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 fair enough, I would perfer Tisdale as he is on the up and less baggage, if we don't go for a name. ditto. Infact after KK,and possibly WGS he would be my preferred candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I Reckon GUS POYET Would be a better bet than Tisdale and certainly would be miles better than either of the Adams's.He was instrumental for Leeds before he left and would know div 1 well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 This board makes me laugh. Some on here do not half speak some rubbish. I would take WGS back and he would stay without a doubt and help rebuild our club. I think he stayed on at Coventry and took so much abuse and just kept on going. Even at Celtic it started turning nasty as he did not win the league for the first time in 4 years. It is madness. I do not think many would find it easy working with RL to be fair. He has been at 3 clubs in about 12 years. That is not bad and pretty much forced out all the clubs he has been at. Get a grip we are a league 1 club and if we land WGS it would be amazing. I would be suprised if it did happen, but would be so happy and it would unite MOST of the fans and keep the feel good factor going, and we need to keep it rolling on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 No you won't I see - so you admit something more sinister. Already half way there 19. Like me to continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I hope you didn't expect this thread to be taken seriously. As usual it will be a left field choice taking us all by surprise. Probably Bobby Tumblewick formerly manager of Halifax Town and Borrowdale Pirates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Eelpie asked a question over my reason for not being keen on Coppell: I think 19Canteen has partly answered this for me: I feel that Coppell,like Curbishley are "tired managers";yesterday's men who might arrive with a track record ,rather like Burley did ,but are unlikely -imho- to repeat it with us. That is a reason. Could that not also apply to others on the more popular list too, like WGS too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Steve Bleasdale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Would rather have Peter Andre than Scarecrow Hair Adams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Come now. Lets not be economical with the actualite And once again completely lost :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 There's probably about 99.999999% of the human race that I DON'T want to be manager. Of the candidates listed on skybet, I will not renew my season ticket if it's Tony Adams. It would be a farcical and crushing let down after the last few days, and I'd be paranoid enough to believe that Liebherr was some Blofeld character in a skate plot. I'd need to stay away for my own sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 That is a reason. Could that not also apply to others on the more popular list too, like WGS too? Yes to some extent it could. However I think it less likely as Strachan and Keegan have a tremendous enthusiasm for the game.Also I think both would reject the job if they were not able to fully commit to it.For the same reason they have walked away from posts.Coppell and Curbishley strike me as characters who are likely to 'do a Harry' ,accept the job then regret it and sulk about it whilst in position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 11 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Yes to some extent it could. However I think it less likely as Strachan and Keegan have a tremendous enthusiasm for the game.Also I think both would reject the job if they were not able to fully commit to it.For the same reason they have walked away from posts.Coppell and Curbishley strike me as characters who are likely to 'do a Harry' ,accept the job then regret it and sulk about it whilst in position. So interestingly this thread is teasing out negatives of some of the more serious contenders. Perhaps younger guys like Tisdale come more into the spotlight. We hear of his advantages, being young and successful. What might be his negatives (so that we have a fair balance) anyone? Do we (sorry, our new owners) need to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Pearson = Young Pearson = Ambitious Pearson = Proven success in League 1 Pearson = Currently employed ... and your man fired him. Not than I am suggesting that we go for him now, but you and "your lot" were only too happy to see the back of him. Now you want a carbon copy....you couldn't make it up. YOu're right. Sorry about that, I missed off one vital ingredient from the my profile. TALENTED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 not getting the cotterill thing. he was roughly where Tisdale is now, in 2002. then had 3 steady,at best -lower table seasons in CCC with Burnley and not been employed since 2007 - as a 44 yr old up and coming manager - why? In fairness Nick, Steve Coppell might have been considered mediocre as a manager at one point but turned that all on its head at Reading. The best managers are successful wherever they go (Ferguson, Wenger, Mourhinho for example) so I believe that we are looking for a manager with a consistent track record of not having failed as yet. I think that that forces us to look at the lower leagues to people like Tisdale because any other successful managers are already managing higher level clubs and are unlikely to want to take on a League One club - rich owner or not. Oh, and I think that that manager should have a vision for the development of the whole club - not just the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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